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castor troy -> RE: The war has started (5/10/2014 1:09:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy one more question. Why do you attack on Luzon? All you needed there is a force around 1000av that can be mostly second class like those ind bgds just to keep the Allied locked down to be bombed by your airforce. In March at the latest they will have run out of supplies at the latest and by May they will have lost hundreds of combat squads due to starvation. When I took Manila in May with a more or less pityful force khyberbill asked my why I didn't do that any earlier which reflects the situation he had there in the previous months already. Wouldn't it be better to use your real combat power elsewhere instead of depleting it on Luzon that will just solve itself? Make sure no supplies are getting in and bomb them, the problem solves itself there. [:)] Good question. That was my original plan Castor. However, because of Erik's aggressiveness at Luzon and a couple of mistakes on my side, i wasn't able to estabilish any air supremacy over Manila-Clark so far. The AVG dominates the skies over Manila and Clark and i decided not to divert my zero units there, so to concentrate on a fast conquest of Malaya first and then to obtain immediately the air supremacy over Calcutta. Probably a mistake, i know. Now i'm sending there some zeros, but it may be too late I'm using in Luzon 2 IDs and a mixed bde, along with some tanks and 2 SNLF units. I'm attacking in order to conquer Clark and trap the enemy at Manila, hoping to force him back to Manila and so be able to conquer Bataan and then use the BBs against Manila. Clark is a beast however and Erik got me a couple of bloody noses there already. It will all depends on how the Calcutta thing develops. If i see the light at Calcutta in the next few turns, i may send the 26th ID to Luzon so to give the 16th a break. If not, the 26th will immediately move towards India and Luzon will have to wait. However, what you say (to leave just 1000 AVs of secondary line troops) cannot be done with the present situation. Manila and Clark cannot be sieged with only 1000 AVs of secondary troops. He has some good quality troops there by now and if he advances towards Central Luzon, i may be not able to hold him back with some mixed regiments and Bdes. too risky. where should those high quality troops come from on Luzon? You should face the same troops there as always, a total of 2000av at best if no combat happens and the enemy has received all reinforcements and has used air transport to bring the couple of 100av units from surrounding islands to Manila or Clark. Luzon is the best place for the Japanese to bypass completely, one doesn't even need to have troops on Luzon at all and totally isolate it if you fear you can not stand on the island. Luzon doesn't do you any harm. Doing that Indian operation and thinking about taking units out of it to bring them back to Luzon sounds horrible to me when I thought your 2500 av there would be very optimistic for me already.

castor troy -> RE: Calcutta is sieged! (5/10/2014 1:15:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreyJoy Then, we attacked... Ground combat at Calcutta (52,37) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 84829 troops, 885 guns, 381 vehicles, Assault Value = 2529 Defending force 38915 troops, 296 guns, 504 vehicles, Assault Value = 1142 Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2 Japanese adjusted assault: 1643 Allied adjusted defense: 1289 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 2) Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 2060 casualties reported Squads: 16 destroyed, 289 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled Engineers: 5 destroyed, 28 disabled Allied ground losses: 668 casualties reported Squads: 17 destroyed, 54 disabled Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 39 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled Guns lost 32 (9 destroyed, 23 disabled) Vehicles lost 109 (14 destroyed, 95 disabled) Assaulting units: 33rd Division 38th Division 21st Division 20th Ind Engineer Regiment 5th Division 19th Ind Engineer Regiment 18th Division 2nd Division 2nd Raiding Rgt /1 2nd Mortar Battalion 18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 3rd Mortar Battalion 3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment Southern Army 14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 34th Field AA Battalion 16th AA Regiment 31st Fld AA Gun Co 35th Field AA Battalion 3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 47th Field AA Battalion 1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment 20th AA Regiment 25th Army 3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment 1st RF Gun Battalion 2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 12th JAAF Base Force Defending units: 50th Tank Brigade 254th Armoured Brigade 18th British Division 255th Armoured Brigade 43rd Cavalry Regiment 1st Patiala Lancers Regiment Fort William 44th Indian Brigade 45th Indian Brigade 36th Indian Brigade 23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment India Command Eastern Command 6th Heavy AA Regiment 35th Light AA Regiment wow, you get some serious good die rolls. One really has to feel for your enemy. Having 3 times more fully prepped units than you against less opposition I took 5 times more losses in the first attack alone, after something like a dozen naval bombardments. Wonder if that was all that damned river crossing. [8\|] Besides that, why did you shock attack? Your enemy's adjusted av is just horrible. You should have more problems here when thinking about the odds compared to Luzon. But if you get the same rolls again, it was a cake walk with less losses the usual attack on Singapore causes that only gets a 2x bonus for urban light.

Cribtop -> RE: Calcutta is sieged! (5/10/2014 7:08:29 PM)
The paras marching in over the rivers convert the whole thing into a shock attack, so be careful. That said, a tremendous result and I think the base is doomed. Two more attacks to kill forts, you will take it on the second or third attack. Why let them retreat at all? I'd kamikaze another unit to close the last hexside.

witpqs -> RE: Calcutta is sieged! (5/10/2014 7:28:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cribtop The paras marching in over the rivers convert the whole thing into a shock attack, so be careful. That said, a tremendous result and I think the base is doomed. Two more attacks to kill forts, you will take it on the second or third attack. Why let them retreat at all? I'd kamikaze another unit to close the last hexside. I don't think that is what happens. The message will say shock attack if any unit does that, but the other units can still make deliberate attacks or bombardment attacks.

GreyJoy -> RE: Calcutta is sieged! (5/11/2014 6:28:45 AM)
Ok, before i reply to your posts guys... i need to update the war diary... a fracking disaster has just involved the Japanese Army in China. 2 Divisions and a half completely wiped out and a Whole front in jeopardy....[X(][X(][X(][X(][X(]

GreyJoy -> RE: Calcutta is sieged! (5/11/2014 7:04:31 AM)
Good news first: INDIA: On Jan 30th, the 25th Army bombards Calcutta, while the Divisions rest a bit before the next attack. At Ansalon, formerly conquered by japanese paras, an allied tank unit entered into the hex and attacked, followed up by a infantry battallion. The paras of the 2nd Raiding Rgt had just left the city, so the lancers conquered it before the land attacking phase. However i had ordered another para drop, and the enemy tanks, heavily bombed during the day, found a wall of experienced and fanatic japanese soldiers!:-) The attack is repulsed and followed by a shock attack that pushes back towards their bases the two enemy units! Ground combat at Asansol (53,34) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 264 troops, 0 guns, 90 vehicles, Assault Value = 68 Defending force 885 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 30 Allied adjusted assault: 0 Japanese adjusted defense: 11 Allied assault odds: 1 to 99 Combat modifiers Defender: preparation(-) Attacker: disruption(-) Japanese ground losses: 41 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Assaulting units: 15th/1st Punjab Battalion 16th Light Cavalry Regiment Defending units: 1st Raiding Rgt /1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Asansol (53,34) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 823 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 23 Defending force 1311 troops, 10 guns, 97 vehicles, Assault Value = 67 Japanese adjusted assault: 16 Allied adjusted defense: 7 Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Asansol !!! Combat modifiers Defender: disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-) Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+), leaders(-) Allied ground losses: 238 casualties reported Squads: 8 destroyed, 2 disabled Non Combat: 22 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled) Vehicles lost 61 (61 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units retreated 2 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 1st Raiding Rgt /1 Defending units: 15th/1st Punjab Battalion 16th Light Cavalry Regiment In the meanwhile, the IJA units are sorrounding Calcutta, closing any possible exit door. On the 31st, followed up by a cruiser bombardment and by several air bombings, the 25th Army Attacks again. Ground combat at Calcutta (52,37) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 82847 troops, 885 guns, 378 vehicles, Assault Value = 2517 Defending force 37701 troops, 287 guns, 499 vehicles, Assault Value = 957 Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1 Japanese adjusted assault: 1393 Allied adjusted defense: 977 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 1) Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 3784 casualties reported Squads: 16 destroyed, 110 disabled Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 36 disabled Engineers: 24 destroyed, 62 disabled Guns lost 16 (1 destroyed, 15 disabled) Vehicles lost 17 (3 destroyed, 14 disabled) Allied ground losses: 961 casualties reported Squads: 20 destroyed, 73 disabled Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 43 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled Guns lost 14 (7 destroyed, 7 disabled) Vehicles lost 61 (38 destroyed, 23 disabled) Assaulting units: 19th Ind Engineer Regiment 33rd Division 2nd Division 15th Guards Regiment 20th Ind Engineer Regiment 55th Cavalry Regiment 1st Tank Regiment 5th Division 38th Division 21st Division 18th Division 2nd Raiding Rgt /4 3rd Mortar Battalion 3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 2nd Mortar Battalion 2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 16th AA Regiment 20th AA Regiment 14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 112th Infantry Rgt /5 25th Army 18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment 1st RF Gun Battalion 31st Fld AA Gun Co Southern Army 3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment 143rd Infantry Rgt /3 Defending units: 50th Tank Brigade 45th Indian Brigade 254th Armoured Brigade 43rd Cavalry Regiment 1st Patiala Lancers Regiment 255th Armoured Brigade Fort William 44th Indian Brigade 18th British Division 36th Indian Brigade Eastern Command India Command 6th Heavy AA Regiment 23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment 35th Light AA Regiment The 33rd ID is the only unit who suffered more than usual...now at only 200 AVs left...while the other are in good shape. The 18th UK division is the only enemy units still in fighting shape, but now the odds are really shifting towards my side and we're not far from a 2-1... potentially with two more Attacks the city may be ours! In the while, more Guards regiments are arriving, along with 3 tank regiments... they should make the trick. Another para company this turn has crossed the river, closing the last RR Door (eastern one). There's now no way they can leave the town. RAAF keeps on not contesting the skies over India, thus leaving me a great freedom of movement here. [image]local://upfiles/37890/81BEA73268CE44F894F815D325F774CA.jpg[/image]

GreyJoy -> RE: Calcutta is sieged! (5/11/2014 7:15:54 AM)
JAVA: Considered the good odds obtained at Calcutta, i decided to send both the 4th and the Imperial IDs to Java, in order to conquer fast Sosarbaja, thus having a good port and closing the dutchs at Batavia only. The plan seems to be working, thanks to CarDiv2 who's providing close air support. At the same time, Kaga, Zuiho, Ryuho and Tayio just arrived at Singa for some RnR. [image]local://upfiles/37890/71EA48E29A7645EAA0B44E2BB734BEAA.jpg[/image]

GreyJoy -> RE: Calcutta is sieged! (5/11/2014 7:16:40 AM)
Car Div 1 is moving towards Karachi....

GreyJoy -> RE: Calcutta is sieged! (5/11/2014 7:22:52 AM)
And now the bad news... CHINA: As you may remember, we had ordered the northern Army to close on Sian. I thought: clear terrain, plenty of tanks on my side, experienced IDs... what can stop me at Sian? WRONG! My armies crossed the rivers...from 3 different directions...all at the same time... shocked... and got wiped out...not even the forts were touched! I have now the 41st ID that has 8 AVs left[X(]..and two more divisions that are below 200 AVs... if Tomorrow he shocks back i may be in deep doo doo!!! Only the tanks and the mixed Bdes are in perfect shape strangely... go figure! Only 1600 AVs left of the nearly 3000 that crossed... God! Ground combat at Sian (83,41) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 78579 troops, 617 guns, 674 vehicles, Assault Value = 2503 Defending force 122683 troops, 440 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2968 Japanese adjusted assault: 1046 Allied adjusted defense: 1136 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3) Combat modifiers Defender: experience(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 11393 casualties reported Squads: 336 destroyed, 526 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 166 disabled Engineers: 21 destroyed, 32 disabled Guns lost 78 (10 destroyed, 68 disabled) Vehicles lost 111 (7 destroyed, 104 disabled) Allied ground losses: 5997 casualties reported Squads: 91 destroyed, 314 disabled Non Combat: 25 destroyed, 286 disabled Engineers: 13 destroyed, 41 disabled Guns lost 77 (10 destroyed, 67 disabled) Assaulting units: 36th Division 41st Division 12th Tank Regiment 37th Division 4th Ind.Mixed Brigade 6th Ind.Mixed Brigade 2nd Ind.Mixed Brigade 5th Tank Regiment 5th Armored Car Co 3rd Tank Regiment 9th Tank Regiment 15th Tank Regiment 10th Tank Regiment 7th Ind.Mixed Brigade 110th Division 11th Tank Regiment 1st Army 15th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 12th Army 6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment North China Area Army Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment Defending units: 3rd Chinese Corps 38th Chinese Corps 3rd Construction Regiment 9th Chinese Corps 90th Chinese Corps 2nd Chinese Cavalry Corps 92nd Chinese Corps 16th Chinese Corps 2nd Construction Regiment 57th Chinese Corps 96th Chinese Corps 1st Construction Regiment 7th Construction Regiment 85th Chinese Corps 36th Chinese Corps 4th Construction Regiment 1st War Area 24th Group Army 8th Group Army 10th Chinese Base Force 34th Group Army 14th Group Army 4th Chinese Base Force 4th Group Army 7th Group Army Red Chinese Army 2nd War Area 3rd Group Army 5th War Area 15th Chinese Base Force My mistake here... i thought i could go big in China even without a full air superiority and the use of bombers... that is plain wrong! I decided not to spend PPs on buying out the air groups from HI and Manchuko, in order to save them for LCUs... at the same time i decided not to contest his USAAF air force in China in order to concentrate my best air units for DEI and India... can be a rational choice, but the fact is that the chinese need to be pounded from the air to be defeated... and at the moment i have nothing in the air in China... [image]local://upfiles/37890/671ACDE13CA043609CB3D9F0E859AFE9.jpg[/image]

GreyJoy -> RE: Calcutta is sieged! (5/11/2014 7:25:57 AM)
At Shangai, the AVG sweep the skies from Wenchow... i sent a second quality class Zero Group who managed to hold the air space and prevent the arrival of more bombers...but we didn't do well. Those yankees are now an elite unit and i would need high quality pilots to face them. But for the moment i'm ok in just containing them. Sending now 3 BBs to take care of that damned city! At Pingsiang...another bloody nose... gotta realize that without the air power i can't do much more than that here... Ground combat at Pingsiang (82,54) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 41142 troops, 414 guns, 158 vehicles, Assault Value = 1104 Defending force 37151 troops, 215 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 967 Japanese adjusted assault: 590 Allied adjusted defense: 1125 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 2) Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 2644 casualties reported Squads: 5 destroyed, 203 disabled Non Combat: 15 destroyed, 23 disabled Engineers: 26 destroyed, 7 disabled Vehicles lost 12 (7 destroyed, 5 disabled) Allied ground losses: 525 casualties reported Squads: 4 destroyed, 59 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Assaulting units: 2nd Ind Engineer Regiment 15th Division 34th Division 116th Division 23rd Tank Regiment 15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment 14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 13th Army 8th Armored Car Co 4th Mortar Battalion Defending units: 26th Chinese Corps 9th Prov Chinese Corps 79th Chinese Corps 45th Chinese Corps 3rd New Chinese Corps

GreyJoy -> RE: Calcutta is sieged! (5/11/2014 7:26:30 AM)
The only good news in China is that now i can buy out the 41st ID for just 495 PPs....[X(][8\|]

GreyJoy -> RE: Calcutta is sieged! (5/11/2014 7:31:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy [ wow, you get some serious good die rolls. One really has to feel for your enemy. Having 3 times more fully prepped units than you against less opposition I took 5 times more losses in the first attack alone, after something like a dozen naval bombardments. Wonder if that was all that damned river crossing. [8\|] Besides that, why did you shock attack? Your enemy's adjusted av is just horrible. You should have more problems here when thinking about the odds compared to Luzon. But if you get the same rolls again, it was a cake walk with less losses the usual attack on Singapore causes that only gets a 2x bonus for urban light. I didn't shock Castor. My IDs were all at DA, while the small para companies were those who shocked cause they crossed the rivers in order to close the hexisides

GreyJoy -> RE: Calcutta is sieged! (5/11/2014 7:34:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs quote: ORIGINAL: Cribtop The paras marching in over the rivers convert the whole thing into a shock attack, so be careful. That said, a tremendous result and I think the base is doomed. Two more attacks to kill forts, you will take it on the second or third attack. Why let them retreat at all? I'd kamikaze another unit to close the last hexside. I don't think that is what happens. The message will say shock attack if any unit does that, but the other units can still make deliberate attacks or bombardment attacks. As far as i can tell Crib, witpqs is right here. I wanna them retreat to a clear hex so to finish them at a much less expensive cost in terms of casualities (if i conquer Calcutta but they do not surrender en masse - like the chinese do-) it could take me weeks to wipe them out in urban terrain...

ny59giants -> RE: Calcutta is sieged! (5/11/2014 8:14:56 AM)
Which hexside and/or hex are you leaving open so the Allied troops can retreat out of Calcutta?? Sian - that will leave a big mark!! [sm=00000030.gif] In all seriousness, it looks like you didn't bring in enough artillery to wear him down.

GreyJoy -> RE: Calcutta is sieged! (5/11/2014 8:28:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants Which hexside and/or hex are you leaving open so the Allied troops can retreat out of Calcutta?? Sian - that will leave a big mark!! [sm=00000030.gif] In all seriousness, it looks like you didn't bring in enough artillery to wear him down. Oh my.... [X(][X(][X(] Lost a Whole army now...they attacked...and we retreated...look at the losses... Ground combat at Sian (83,41) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 95257 troops, 396 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2619 Defending force 77130 troops, 608 guns, 870 vehicles, Assault Value = 1649 Allied adjusted assault: 1233 Japanese adjusted defense: 416 Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: disruption(-), preparation(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 25679 casualties reported Squads: 657 destroyed, 103 disabled Non Combat: 647 destroyed, 143 disabled Engineers: 23 destroyed, 14 disabled Guns lost 119 (76 destroyed, 43 disabled) Vehicles lost 263 (143 destroyed, 120 disabled) Units retreated 20 Allied ground losses: 5867 casualties reported Squads: 74 destroyed, 531 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 36 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 46 disabled Guns lost 35 (3 destroyed, 32 disabled) Defeated Japanese Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 2nd Construction Regiment 92nd Chinese Corps 38th Chinese Corps 90th Chinese Corps 36th Chinese Corps 16th Chinese Corps 85th Chinese Corps 7th Construction Regiment 9th Chinese Corps 2nd Chinese Cavalry Corps 1st Construction Regiment 57th Chinese Corps 96th Chinese Corps 4th Construction Regiment 4th Chinese Base Force Red Chinese Army 14th Group Army 2nd War Area 7th Group Army 3rd Group Army 5th War Area 24th Group Army 1st War Area 10th Chinese Base Force 3rd Chinese Corps 4th Group Army 8th Group Army 3rd Construction Regiment 34th Group Army 15th Chinese Base Force Defending units: 36th Division 7th Ind.Mixed Brigade 9th Tank Regiment 41st Division 5th Armored Car Co 10th Tank Regiment 110th Division 5th Tank Regiment 12th Tank Regiment 37th Division 2nd Ind.Mixed Brigade 15th Tank Regiment 4th Ind.Mixed Brigade 6th Ind.Mixed Brigade 3rd Tank Regiment 11th Tank Regiment 12th Army 15th Medium Field Artillery Regiment North China Area Army 6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 1st Army Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment and now we will run for our lives... sh**t... i have trashed my Chinese army...won't recover from this one! This is the hex i'm leaving open... should work [image]local://upfiles/37890/0995F70D0BAE40D59F0FB537E9D592A8.jpg[/image]

ny59giants -> RE: Calcutta is sieged! (5/11/2014 8:39:06 AM)
You will recover in China due to supply issues. As you know the Chinese cannot do these big attacks too often as it eats up lots of supplies. You may need to shuffle forces around and plan a more methodical attack in mid-42 rather than now. Remain focused on SE India!!

Lowpe -> RE: Calcutta is sieged! (5/11/2014 10:12:43 AM)
I seriously doubt he has the supplies in Sian to attack, especially the next day. I take it you cut the railroad line to the north...he will be hard pressed to get supply there.[:)] You will win here, it will just take longer than you had hoped.

fcharton -> RE: Calcutta is sieged! (5/11/2014 11:13:41 AM)
Hi Greyjoy, Shock attack into Sian, over the river, with all your troops, in the face of a yet undefeated army, like a true IJA general... Seriously, I don't read Erik's AAR, but it really looks like he is playing China correctly. He has been carefully avoiding battle, to let his units rebuild from the heavy disablements they begin the game with. And as a result, he ends up around Sian, in a perfectly defensible area, with several 300+ AV corps, which won't allow him to keep Sian in the end, but will win him time. And you have just given him a few more months. This said, vexing as it might be, this doesn't change your situation in China. Just fall back around Sian, and try to cut the road to Lanchow (this is exactly why you need to take Yenan early, imho). He will not be able to counterattack very long, for lack of supplies, and the big stack in Sian will need to be fed. Then, consolidate over the road from , and bring guns and bombers... You've probably lost a few weeks here, but those are just a few weeks, and you hold Northern China, in early 42. Francois

castor troy -> RE: Calcutta is sieged! (5/11/2014 1:22:42 PM)
ouch, over 1000 IJ combat squads destroyed in China is a real beating. Is he following you? That could be a real disaster then. Now considering Sian is a clear terrain hex and Calcutta is an urban heavy you really have results being upside down for me, which reminds me what that river crossing from DH into Calcutta really meant for my Army. Why you want the Allied troops from Calcutta retreat? The needed odds that make them retreat are the same that make all of them instantly surrendering if losing the base and there is no retreat path. [&:]

Lokasenna -> RE: Calcutta is sieged! (5/11/2014 1:38:18 PM)
Sucks in China, but you can still recover. You may want to consider buying some of those units out now that they're miniaturized [;)]. You can still prevail, as ny59giants says, due to supply. You will need your air force now, but thankfully that's a bit cheaper to buy out of Manchuria than the LCUs are. What happened to you is why I have avoided river crossings into Sian. They're dangerous because it's a place where the Chinese can actually get some forts built before you get there.

witpqs -> RE: Calcutta is sieged! (5/11/2014 5:27:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe I seriously doubt he has the supplies in Sian to attack, especially the next day. I take it you cut the railroad line to the north...he will be hard pressed to get supply there.[:)] You will win here, it will just take longer than you had hoped. He did already, post # 405 was the Allied attack. [8D]

GreyJoy -> RE: Calcutta is sieged! (5/11/2014 5:51:53 PM)
Yes, he did attack back and completely annihilated my army!...wow!!!! Hurts a lot guys. Already buyed back a division tough...less than 300 PPs...[X(] Ok, 2 more days into the war: Feb 2, 1942 At Calcutta i forgot to change orders for 2 eng rgts... one is wiped out and destroyed, the other one only has 1 support squad left alive [:@] stupid me! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Calcutta (52,37) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 4201 troops, 227 guns, 187 vehicles, Assault Value = 2306 Defending force 36933 troops, 281 guns, 458 vehicles, Assault Value = 893 Japanese adjusted assault: 0 Allied adjusted defense: 873 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 99 (fort level 1) Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 908 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 42 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 38 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 14 (1 destroyed, 13 disabled) Vehicles lost 13 (9 destroyed, 4 disabled) Allied ground losses: 36 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled) Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled) Assaulting units: 33rd Division 23rd Ind Engineer Regiment 15th Ind Engineer Regiment 5th Division 20th Ind Engineer Regiment 55th Cavalry Regiment 2nd Division 38th Division 18th Division 21st Division 19th Ind Engineer Regiment 1st Tank Regiment 2nd Raiding Regiment 15th Guards Regiment 25th Army 1st RF Gun Battalion 3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 31st Fld AA Gun Co 16th AA Regiment 14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 30th Fld AA Gun Co 2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 20th AA Regiment 3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment 1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment 3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 2nd Mortar Battalion 112th Infantry Rgt /5 3rd Mortar Battalion Southern Army 143rd Infantry Rgt /3 Defending units: Fort William 44th Indian Brigade 50th Tank Brigade 255th Armoured Brigade 43rd Cavalry Regiment 254th Armoured Brigade 1st Patiala Lancers Regiment 45th Indian Brigade 18th British Division 36th Indian Brigade India Command 6th Heavy AA Regiment 23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment Eastern Command 35th Light AA Regiment At Sian, as you've seen, the chinese deliberate attacked and pushed me out... now we're running back for our lifes, with the chinese armies in pursue...think i won't make it :-( Ground combat at Sian (83,41) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 95257 troops, 396 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2619 Defending force 77130 troops, 608 guns, 870 vehicles, Assault Value = 1649 Allied adjusted assault: 1233 Japanese adjusted defense: 416 Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: disruption(-), preparation(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 25679 casualties reported Squads: 657 destroyed, 103 disabled Non Combat: 647 destroyed, 143 disabled Engineers: 23 destroyed, 14 disabled Guns lost 119 (76 destroyed, 43 disabled) Vehicles lost 263 (143 destroyed, 120 disabled) Units retreated 20 Allied ground losses: 5867 casualties reported Squads: 74 destroyed, 531 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 36 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 46 disabled Guns lost 35 (3 destroyed, 32 disabled) Defeated Japanese Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 2nd Construction Regiment 92nd Chinese Corps 38th Chinese Corps 90th Chinese Corps 36th Chinese Corps 16th Chinese Corps 85th Chinese Corps 7th Construction Regiment 9th Chinese Corps 2nd Chinese Cavalry Corps 1st Construction Regiment 57th Chinese Corps 96th Chinese Corps 4th Construction Regiment 4th Chinese Base Force Red Chinese Army 14th Group Army 2nd War Area 7th Group Army 3rd Group Army 5th War Area 24th Group Army 1st War Area 10th Chinese Base Force 3rd Chinese Corps 4th Group Army 8th Group Army 3rd Construction Regiment 34th Group Army 15th Chinese Base Force Defending units: 36th Division 7th Ind.Mixed Brigade 9th Tank Regiment 41st Division 5th Armored Car Co 10th Tank Regiment 110th Division 5th Tank Regiment 12th Tank Regiment 37th Division 2nd Ind.Mixed Brigade 15th Tank Regiment 4th Ind.Mixed Brigade 6th Ind.Mixed Brigade 3rd Tank Regiment 11th Tank Regiment 12th Army 15th Medium Field Artillery Regiment North China Area Army 6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 1st Army Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment Feb 3, 1942 The 3rd day of Feb is a better one. The Chinese don't seem anymore to be moving east from Sian, so we may be able to save our Army...well, what is left of it In India, we bombed again (with CAs and with Betties and Sallies) and we attacked. Another 1-1 and forts down to 0... losses are quite high (2 more Eng rgts wiped out) but the enemy is really crumbling down... few more days like this and we may be able to get the city! Changed my mind...thank you guys! we will close every hex and destroy everything! In the DEI, several ducth bombers attacked Palembang from Batavia. Few days ago another small raid caused me 10 fires and something like 40 refineries damaged[:o]. Today we were ready, with 40 zeros and 36 nates... wasn't enough... an Hudson scored a single bomb hit and lit the fires... 30 more refineries damaged[X(][:-] We're advancing towards sosarbaja tough... with 2 full divisions. Should make it At Mindanao...we attacked...and got a bloody nose...a SNLF units wiped out.... i'm a bit losing the grip in the PI.... Car Div 1 is looking for preys in the IO...empty! The other CVs are regrouping at Singapore

castor troy -> RE: Calcutta is sieged! (5/11/2014 7:37:57 PM)
you just have to put a small unit into the hex SE of it, you don't even need to cross over into the town. Just close the retreat path and they are done.

GreyJoy -> RE: Calcutta is sieged! (5/11/2014 7:39:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy you just have to put a small unit into the hex SE of it, you don't even need to cross over into the town. Just close the retreat path and they are done. Yup, doing that exactly. Tanks are on the way

GreyJoy -> RE: Calcutta is sieged! (5/11/2014 7:42:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fcharton Hi Greyjoy, Shock attack into Sian, over the river, with all your troops, in the face of a yet undefeated army, like a true IJA general... Seriously, I don't read Erik's AAR, but it really looks like he is playing China correctly. He has been carefully avoiding battle, to let his units rebuild from the heavy disablements they begin the game with. And as a result, he ends up around Sian, in a perfectly defensible area, with several 300+ AV corps, which won't allow him to keep Sian in the end, but will win him time. And you have just given him a few more months. This said, vexing as it might be, this doesn't change your situation in China. Just fall back around Sian, and try to cut the road to Lanchow (this is exactly why you need to take Yenan early, imho). He will not be able to counterattack very long, for lack of supplies, and the big stack in Sian will need to be fed. Then, consolidate over the road from , and bring guns and bombers... You've probably lost a few weeks here, but those are just a few weeks, and you hold Northern China, in early 42. Francois Yes Francois, will do that. Will wait for the air situation to change a bit and fall back into good terrain and recover. Now that i have bought out the 26th ID, i can devote more PPs for buying some IJA bomber groups. Will also need to have more oscars online...and to do that i need the production to catch up! In the meanwhile, however, i'm moving BBs to HK. Wanna start bombing Wenchow ASAP. Hate to have that nail in my side... BBs should do the job just fine. AKEs are on their way to Shangai, along with some more zeros and Lilies

GreyJoy -> RE: Calcutta is sieged! (5/11/2014 7:51:16 PM)
However, the bright side is that it's Feb 3rd 1942 and Calcutta is about to fall. Then, what's next? Assam, for sure. Ceylon...yes... The question is: how further should i advance in India?

castor troy -> RE: Calcutta is sieged! (5/11/2014 7:52:18 PM)
isn't Shanghai a lvl 8 or 9 port? Shouldn't it be easily big enough to replenish BB main ammo?

GreyJoy -> RE: Calcutta is sieged! (5/11/2014 8:00:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy isn't Shanghai a lvl 8 or 9 port? Shouldn't it be easily big enough to replenish BB main ammo? Yes, should be. But the AKEs are at Sasebo, so are pretty close. Would like not to risk to waste 2 days to replenish because of the ops points spent to rearm those big guns. Just to be sure

witpqs -> RE: Calcutta is sieged! (5/11/2014 8:19:44 PM)
quote: The question is: how further should i advance in India? To the Suez! [:D]

paullus99 -> RE: Calcutta is sieged! (5/11/2014 8:43:16 PM)
Get some deeply entrenched in India that you never see the invasion of the Home Islands coming!!!

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