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fcharton -> RE: The war has started (5/5/2014 12:54:42 PM)

You're in good shape in Northern China: once the plains of the Wei, north of Sian, is yours, there is little he can do but retreat, and so, you're in a good position to cut off his troops between Loyang/Nanyang and Sian. I would have taken Yenan, personnally, as it makes the KMT situation in the north plain impossible (they really lack bases there), but it looks pretty good.

It will be interesting to see where his troops go. He can either fall back west on Lanchow, or south on the Szechwan basin. I think he'll choose the latter, which means you can take Western China easily, and deprive him of resources, and supplies (since he won't have fuel for Chungking industry)

All this is pretty good, ihmo.

Francois



GreyJoy -> RE: The war has started (5/5/2014 3:54:11 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: fcharton

You're in good shape in Northern China: once the plains of the Wei, north of Sian, is yours, there is little he can do but retreat, and so, you're in a good position to cut off his troops between Loyang/Nanyang and Sian. I would have taken Yenan, personnally, as it makes the KMT situation in the north plain impossible (they really lack bases there), but it looks pretty good.

It will be interesting to see where his troops go. He can either fall back west on Lanchow, or south on the Szechwan basin. I think he'll choose the latter, which means you can take Western China easily, and deprive him of resources, and supplies (since he won't have fuel for Chungking industry)

All this is pretty good, ihmo.

Francois




Thx Francois,

If I was him I'd fall towards Lanchow, in order to defend on those pesky mountain hexes. However what really matters now is Sian.
Yenan has been already bypassed and will be taken later. Without any supply route, it should starve pretty well on its own[:)]




Symon -> RE: The war has started (5/5/2014 3:58:30 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
... A CAR DIV will join them as soon as i am able to refuel/rearm at Singa.

I sure do enjoy your style [8D] I've always been under-impressed by the usual game tendency to flog the monster KB here and there. Early war, Japan knew exactly what they were facing from US CVs, and often split off a CavDiv to operate independently. An IJN CarDiv is a nice weapon, and if one or two of them strike at different places, it keeps the opponent guessing.

L'audace, encore l'audace, et toujours l'audace. Nice to see you being audacious. Ciao, John



GreyJoy -> RE: The war has started (5/5/2014 4:08:51 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Symon


quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
... A CAR DIV will join them as soon as i am able to refuel/rearm at Singa.

I sure do enjoy your style [8D] I've always been under-impressed by the usual game tendency to flog the monster KB here and there. Early war, Japan knew exactly what they were facing from US CVs, and often split off a CavDiv to operate independently. An IJN CarDiv is a nice weapon, and if one or two of them strike at different places, it keeps the opponent guessing.

L'audace, encore l'audace, et toujours l'audace. Nice to see you being audacious. Ciao, John


[:)] Thanks John!

Yes, well, after the damaging of Yorktown and Enterprise, it's easier to split the KB. At the moment I have the following composition:

CarDiv 1 (Shokaku, Zuikaku, Hiryu) moving to Singapore after the fall of Cocos
CarDiv 2 (Akagi, Soryu, Hosho) moving to Timor to support the operations against Northern Oz
Mini-KB (Kaga, Zuiho, Ryuho and Tayio) near DH supporting the indian invasion.

I plan to recombine them in a more intelligent composition.
Would like the have a CarDiv composed of Shokaku, Zuikaku, another CarDiv composed of Akagi and Kaga and one more composed of Soryu, Hiryu and the two CVLs, leaving the CVEs for other kind of support operations.
Unofrtunately they are always heavy pressed and hadn't have the time to recombine them back since dec 7...

Would like to underline that all Shokaku, Zuikaku and Kaga are currently operating with an added chitai of A6M2s each (until the airgroups resize in middle 42)



GreyJoy -> RE: The war has started (5/5/2014 4:37:24 PM)

And Air HQ is moving to Koepang (level 4 AF). 36 Betties and 18 Mavis will immediately move here.
Another Air HQ is being moved to Port Moresby (36 Betties here also).
Rabaul has an Air HQ (Air Division).
Base forces are sent to Ambon, Cocos Island and Sebang, with Mavis and some Jakes.
An Air Flottilla is already operating at Akyab.
2 Air HQs are at DH.
Ceylon, as soon as we'll conquer it (if we will ever conquer it) will have an air HQ too.



Symon -> RE: The war has started (5/5/2014 4:41:33 PM)

Your composition seems intelligent enough. Using Napoleon's central position principle, so long as at least one of the wing CarDivs are close enough to recombine with the center, in the face of a threat (some small number of days), you should be good.

Btw, we use that paradigm in Babes games almost routinely into 44 or however long we have sufficient carriers to pull it off. Spreading out the CVs into different TFs "may" give a coordination penalty (the forum 'received wisdom' is wrong), but it spreads out the incoming. 4 of the one, 9 of the other.

Anyway, it's a smart move on your part. Ciao. John



GreyJoy -> RE: The war has started (5/5/2014 4:43:01 PM)

Saving to buy a Division from China. I'd like to get the 26th ID...almost there...125 PPs missing and then we can buy it out!
BANZAI!



GreyJoy -> RE: The war has started (5/5/2014 4:47:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Symon

Your composition seems intelligent enough. Using Napoleon's central position principle, so long as at least one of the wing CarDivs are close enough to recombine with the center, in the face of a threat (some small number of days), you should be good.

Btw, we use that paradigm in Babes games almost routinely into 44 or however long we have sufficient carriers to pull it off. Spreading out the CVs into different TFs "may" give a coordination penalty (the forum 'received wisdom' is wrong), but it spreads out the incoming. 4 of the one, 9 of the other.

Anyway, it's a smart move on your part. Ciao. John



Gotta say that since I play Babes games (already 3 under my belt), I've never had those tremendous one-sided CVs battles that many experience.
All the results I've faced have been very rational, with neither part completely annihilated by the opposite one. Exchanging blows, surely, but not complete one-sided annihilation.
I think the modifications to naval AA have really changed (improving!) the naval gameplay



GreyJoy -> RE: The war has started (5/6/2014 5:37:22 AM)

Jan 22, 1942

INDIA:
Obvert doesn't seem to be willing to abbandon Calcutta. No movement arrows!
My IDs are now 33/46 miles from Calcutta, while Hawraw is being reinforced.
The battle in the skies of Calcutta continues. Erik is bringing back all his best units from China and Luzon (the AVG and the american P40Es)...that's good! I want them in a place where i can fight them instead of getting ambushed all over China!
Today is the turn of the Yamada Det and Ryuho's fighter Group (i'm sweeping only with carrier based planes untill DH reaches AF lvl 2).
The battle is harsh for the Yamada's Det. out of 16 planes that took off, 9 don't come back. Lost 6 priceless pilots and, among them, a brand new ace (Fujimatsu). Ryuho's fate is much better and they reap quite a lot of Death among the enemy's lines.
Then 15 B17s arrive to bomb Ansalon (the same B17s that were driving me crazy strat bombing Chinese bases untill last week) and got mauled by Kaga's fighters on LRCAP mission (8 B17s shot down!)

Morning Air attack on Calcutta , at 52,37

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 16

Allied aircraft
H81-A3 x 4
Buffalo I x 10
Hurricane IIb Trop x 4
P-40E Warhawk x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
H81-A3: 1 destroyed
Buffalo I: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 20000 feet

CAP engaged:
AVG/1st Sqn with H81-A3 (0 airborne, 3 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
No.21 Sqn RAAF with Buffalo I (0 airborne, 2 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes
No.67 Sqn RAF with Buffalo I (0 airborne, 2 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes
No.232 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (0 airborne, 3 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 14 minutes
No.453 Sqn RAF with Buffalo I (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
No.488 Sqn RAF with Buffalo I (0 airborne, 2 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
21st PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 5 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes



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Morning Air attack on Calcutta , at 52,37

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 32

Allied aircraft
H81-A3 x 2
Buffalo I x 5
Hurricane IIb Trop x 2
P-40E Warhawk x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
H81-A3: 1 destroyed
Buffalo I: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 20000 feet

CAP engaged:
No.21 Sqn RAAF with Buffalo I (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 23040.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 44 minutes
No.67 Sqn RAF with Buffalo I (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 19000 and 21000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
No.488 Sqn RAF with Buffalo I (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
AVG/1st Sqn with H81-A3 (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 23000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes
No.232 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 24000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes
21st PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 18000 and 22150.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes



Morning Air attack on Asansol , at 53,34

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 8000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 8000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
2 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 8000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
Kaga-1 with A6M2 Zero (18 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(18 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
18 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 20000
Raid is overhead



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Morning Air attack on Asansol , at 53,34

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 49 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 8000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
Kaga-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 8000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 118 minutes




In china, another bloody nose near Changsha....

Ground combat at Pingsiang (82,54)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 40169 troops, 408 guns, 202 vehicles, Assault Value = 1130

Defending force 37316 troops, 216 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1003

Japanese adjusted assault: 759

Allied adjusted defense: 791

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2495 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 147 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 25 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 26 disabled

Allied ground losses:
757 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 80 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled

Assaulting units:
22nd Division
8th Armored Car Co
116th Division
2nd Ind Engineer Regiment
15th Division
23rd Tank Regiment
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
13th Army
4th Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
26th Chinese Corps
72nd Chinese Corps
9th Prov Chinese Corps
79th Chinese Corps
3rd New Chinese Corps


...without the total air superiority and without serious air bombing effort, it's not possible to advance here...




CarDiv1 managed to pass through Merak straight, dancing against no less than 10 enemy's subs, and Tomorrow will reach Singapore. Will refuel and then move towards Ceylon.
Imperial Guards Div starts to load at Singa, along with 2 Rgts of the 5th Guards ID.

CarDiv2 is at Timor, where the 4th ID is loading again.



Barb -> RE: The war has started (5/6/2014 5:51:25 AM)

Uh! A full invasion of India this early. I doubt Obvert would be able to do anything serious about that. His best possible option would be run for Karachi-Bombay and Ceylon to buckle up, throwing some small rear-guards to slow you down while reinforcing with whatever unit is at hand...



GreyJoy -> RE: The war has started (5/6/2014 6:46:31 AM)

Well, if Erik wants to abandon Calcutta he doesn't have much time left if he wanna do it in good order. Maybe he's just waiting for some units to be saved from Burma, or maybe he wants to fight there. Probably it all depends on what he has at Calcutta at the moment. I'll know in 2/3 days I guess.




GreyJoy -> RE: The war has started (5/6/2014 7:05:52 AM)

And these are, at the moment, the airgroups that have led the air war so far.
Quite surprisingly, the group with most kills is Ryujo's one, with not less than 71 kills.
I'm sure things will change soon. As soon as DH becomes a lvl 2, the bulk of the battle will be carried on by LBA groups and the Oscars will have a big role in the attrition war I'm thinking of.
I should be able to outproduce him in the Indian front.


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GreyJoy -> RE: The war has started (5/6/2014 7:08:59 AM)

And here's a screenshot of my leading fighter pilots. Unfortunately yesterday battles have put quite a toll on my leading aces, with 2 KIA and 2 MIA... but there's no time to weep for anyone. The battle will continue and Mrs.Death will have lots of friends to play with very soon

[image]local://upfiles/37890/3EE839514204455B89B9B9FD7D49D64E.jpg[/image]



GreyJoy -> RE: The war has started (5/6/2014 10:45:16 AM)

Now the only question is: with 2300 AVs (6 Divisions) would it be possible to conquer an heavy urban hex defended by 50,000 men?
How costly would it be?
These were the results Mr.Kane was obtaining against NY59Giants (using 9 divisions against 1400 AVs)

Ground combat at Calcutta (52,37)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 128768 troops, 2461 guns, 861 vehicles, Assault Value = 3424

Defending force 41685 troops, 514 guns, 1217 vehicles, Assault Value = 1436

Japanese adjusted assault: 2210

Allied adjusted defense: 3849

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
4303 casualties reported
Squads: 13 destroyed, 551 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 67 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 64 disabled
Guns lost 95 (4 destroyed, 91 disabled)
Vehicles lost 14 (2 destroyed, 12 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
977 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 82 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 95 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 34 disabled
Vehicles lost 80 (8 destroyed, 72 disabled)

Assaulting units:
5th Division
Imperial Guards Division
53rd Division
18th Division
38th Division
56th Division
1st Tank Regiment
33rd Division
2nd Recon Regiment
1st RF Gun Battalion
15th Army
20th AA Regiment
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
35th Fld AA Gun Co
25th Army
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
26th Fld AA Gun Co
Southern Army
2nd Mortar Battalion
2nd Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
255th Armoured Brigade
Fort William Fortress
20th Indian Division
254th Armoured Brigade
6th Australian Division
43rd Cavalry Regiment
36th Indian Brigade
Eastern Command
23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
RAF 223 Group Wing
223 Group RAF
2/13th Field Regiment
2/11th Field Regiment
1st Bengal Construction Battalion




Ground combat at Calcutta (52,37)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 112585 troops, 2525 guns, 674 vehicles, Assault Value = 3012

Defending force 55226 troops, 657 guns, 1507 vehicles, Assault Value = 1610

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 803

Allied adjusted defense: 4193

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 5 (fort level 1)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
4660 casualties reported
Squads: 15 destroyed, 300 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 39 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 69 disabled
Guns lost 70 (2 destroyed, 68 disabled)
Vehicles lost 22 (7 destroyed, 15 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
854 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 175 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 46 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 19 disabled
Guns lost 20 (1 destroyed, 19 disabled)
Vehicles lost 86 (10 destroyed, 76 disabled)

Assaulting units:
56th Division
1st Tank Regiment
5th Division
18th Division
53rd Division
33rd Division
Imperial Guards Division
38th Division
2nd Recon Regiment
15th Army
25th Army
26th Fld AA Gun Co
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd Mortar Battalion
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
Southern Army
35th Fld AA Gun Co
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st RF Gun Battalion
20th AA Regiment
2nd Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
254th Armoured Brigade
7th Australian Division
20th Indian Division
6th Australian Division
Fort William Fortress
255th Armoured Brigade
36th Indian Brigade
2/13th Field Regiment
23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
223 Group RAF
Eastern Command
RAF 223 Group Wing
2/11th Field Regiment
1st Bengal Construction Battalion







Ground combat at Calcutta (52,37)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 128798 troops, 2582 guns, 860 vehicles, Assault Value = 3264

Defending force 54777 troops, 693 guns, 1533 vehicles, Assault Value = 1443

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 1513

Allied adjusted defense: 4173

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 0)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
5916 casualties reported
Squads: 15 destroyed, 234 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 43 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 72 disabled
Guns lost 42 (1 destroyed, 41 disabled)
Vehicles lost 33 (2 destroyed, 31 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2000 casualties reported
Squads: 35 destroyed, 170 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 70 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 31 disabled
Guns lost 53 (14 destroyed, 39 disabled)
Vehicles lost 43 (4 destroyed, 39 disabled)

Assaulting units:
5th Division
33rd Division
38th Division
18th Division
Imperial Guards Division
1st Tank Regiment
56th Division
53rd Division
2nd Recon Regiment
15th Army
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
26th Fld AA Gun Co
20th AA Regiment
35th Fld AA Gun Co
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd Mortar Battalion
25th Army
1st RF Gun Battalion
Southern Army
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
Fort William Fortress
6th Australian Division
20th Indian Division
255th Armoured Brigade
254th Armoured Brigade
7th Australian Division
36th Indian Brigade
Eastern Command
23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
223 Group RAF
48th Light AA Regiment
2/13th Field Regiment
2/11th Field Regiment
RAF 223 Group Wing
1st Bengal Construction Battalion



GreyJoy -> RE: The war has started (5/6/2014 10:46:02 AM)

Not very promising to be honest...[X(]



ny59giants -> RE: The war has started (5/6/2014 11:49:04 AM)

The 6th Aussie Division has just arrived at Aden when you invaded India and I highly doubt it is past Karachi at this point. The components for 7th comes in another three weeks more or less. Has Erik learned enough about micro-management of Allied devices to have gotten some of his Indian troops upgraded to "Ind Inf Section 42"??

Ind Inf Section: Anti-Armor = 5 and Anti-Soft = 14

Ind Inf Section 42: Anti-Armor = 15 and Anti-Soft = 19

Ind Inf Section 43: Anti-Armor = 75 and Anti-Soft = 21

IMO, he hasn't gotten enough of the 42 version to upgrade anything but a few small battalions. Add in one of the brigades at Calcutta at start has 20 in both morale and experience. Not good for the defenders. [X(]

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GreyJoy -> RE: The war has started (5/6/2014 12:52:19 PM)

Is there supposed to be a "GHOST" river between DH and Calcutta???????
It is not represented! How am I supposed to know!?

Com'on... :-(((((((

Sent only 3 divisions while the other 3 are still 15 miles away. They got impaled. Trashed 1 and half division completely. If I knew I would have sent them all at once...

really disappointed. I don't feel I did anything wrong here. The map is more than misleading.

Wanna cry[:(]



ny59giants -> RE: The war has started (5/6/2014 1:16:49 PM)

I don't see it here either?? [&:]

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GreyJoy -> RE: The war has started (5/6/2014 1:27:27 PM)

Asked Erik if he's ok in re-doing the turn. I would send all the 6 divisions at once now that I know.
Alternatively, we could ask to some of the guru-map boys to modify that hex.

Let's first hear what Erik thinks about it



Lokasenna -> RE: The war has started (5/6/2014 3:01:47 PM)

I was surprised by that the first time I did it against the AI as well. I pushed F6 to check the map, and yep... :-/.



MrKane -> RE: The war has started (5/6/2014 3:48:50 PM)

Ups, In my original version last post here was sentence: "And remember about river between Diamond Harbor and Calcutta." I have removed it just before sending post to forum because I decided it is obvious info and you are know about it. :(



GreyJoy -> RE: The war has started (5/7/2014 7:35:48 AM)

@Tom... wouch... if I only knew! :-))


Erik was so kind to accept my request for a redo. I've shown him the screenshot of my troops at DH, in order to get fair with the fact that I've seen what he has at Calcutta. Also told him that I'm coming with my 6 divisions and that I have the Imperial Guards ID in reserve at Singa.
At Calcutta he has 1200 AVs, behind 3 forts. The 18th UK DIV, some Indian Bde and two armoured Bdes... ouch...
I had to reset all the movements and start the whole process back again, thus losing at least 5 days[:(].
However now the whole army in moving...10 hexes per day...slow

Ok, back to the game:

Jan 23-24, 1942

While CAR DIV 1 moves throught the strait of Merak and gets back to Singa, at least 3 enemy subs find their death at Merak...taking mines [:D]. Many more subs are spotted moving north passing by the western coast of Sumatra.
2 of my SAGs just pass Ceylon and are moving towards Northern India, trying to interdict the sealanes between Aden and Karachi.
CAR DiV 1 is already on its way.

At DH the enemy has evacuated the airfields. My zeros find empty skies for two days in a row. Good.
Now DH should be almost there to get to AF lvl 2, and that will mean that i'll be able to move back the Kaga's group and leave the task to the LBA boys.
300 Japanese bombers are ready at Akyab and Rangoon.

In Luzon, the americans come up again with their P-40s, but this time my Nates and Tojos (the experimental sentai) do better and down two of them, losing 1 Nate.

CAR DIV 2 is still at Timor, waiting for some convoys to be moved (4th ID, 16th Army HQ, 3 Base forces and 3 SNFL units)

In CENTPAC, my subs are trying to sneak through the great defences the allies have put to defend the damaged Yorktown (at Pennyr Island). The ships is reported by my glens to be disbanded in a lvl 1 port...but despite my attempts, not a single subs managed to sneak through. We keep on trying...but the DL is really high and my guys always risk to be sunk by his ASW assets... but it's well worth the risk!

Reinforced Horn Island and PM. Many more units are coming down to SOPAC (base forces, little companies and some AA units).

What else? China... well, everything is slowed down there. Not making any progresses anywhere




GreyJoy -> RE: The war has started (5/7/2014 7:47:47 AM)

254th Armoured Brigade
44th Indian Brigade
18th British Division
Fort William
1st Patiala Lancers Regiment
255th Armoured Brigade
45th Indian Brigade
50th Tank Brigade
43rd Cavalry Regiment
36th Indian Brigade
23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
India Command
Eastern Command
6th Heavy AA Regiment
35th Light AA Regiment

This is what he has at Calcutta... 1 strong ID, 2 Armoured Bdes, 1 Tank Bde and a couple of Indian Bdes... Gosh... Don't think i'll be able to conquer it. Will try anyway, but that's too much with a +4 terrain modifier...



GreyJoy -> RE: The war has started (5/7/2014 7:48:54 AM)

The only good news is that the RR network is now completely closed around Calcutta. There's only one road that arrives to the city by west and that will be soon closed too.



veji1 -> RE: The war has started (5/7/2014 8:51:52 AM)

Looking at all he has in Calcutta, you could wear that down, but it would take a bit of time, isolation and a big big LBA effort. But it is doable and worth it, just not in a shock and awe fast type of way.



paullus99 -> RE: The war has started (5/7/2014 9:42:43 AM)

The real question is, even if you are able to "wear down" that stack, what are the chances that you'll merely trash the HI and resources you are trying to take in the first place?

What areas of the map will now be neglected because you've tied down a considerable Army at a single point? If I was Obvert - I'd be now looking at what mischief I could cause elsewhere, knowing you were well and fully committed to India.



GreyJoy -> RE: The war has started (5/7/2014 10:18:25 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: paullus99

The real question is, even if you are able to "wear down" that stack, what are the chances that you'll merely trash the HI and resources you are trying to take in the first place?

What areas of the map will now be neglected because you've tied down a considerable Army at a single point? If I was Obvert - I'd be now looking at what mischief I could cause elsewhere, knowing you were well and fully committed to India.



The risk of trashing the HI at Calcutta is well existent, as always. Can't do much about it, it's just a die-n-roll and one can just hope for the best.

To be honest I think that, being so early in the game, the Allies don't have much to throw at me anywhere on the map. Even if they do, I should have plenty of time to get back on them.
My adventure in India isn't a "complete" campaign of conquest. My goal is to take Assam and Ceylon and not much more and hold them as long as possible.
Obviously there's a risk. there's always the risk of being surprised by an allied counterattack when you are fighting with all your assets on the end of the map. But the prize is well rewarding IMHO: securing Burma, isolating China completely, destroying some valuable british assets and denying the allies, for some months, the most interesting vector of advance. Not to consider the resources that I hope to bag up there.
However I will try to be as balanced as possible. Won't send EVERYTHING to India at the same time. For the next couple of months at least the allies will be very short of carriers and their airgroups are not so deadly yet, so their options will be very limited. The KB, divided into 2 Car Divisions and the mini-KB, should be able to keep him honest almost everywhere.

@veji: I think my shock attack won't even reduce the forts at first. I know it will be a long slog... the point is: will 2500 AVs be enough to wear down 1200 well-supplied and well equipped allied AVs?

The plan is now to shock attack from 4 different direction at the very same time, so to "close" the main doors for an allied sortie out of the town. At the same time this should enable me to move out of the city and contrast every attempt of relief or to give me the chance to move out some assets if the siege will last longer than what is foreseen.
Can't wait too long for Ceylon. I really hope those 6 divisions (plus the 55th) are enough to do the job, so that the Imperial can be sent to Ceylon asap... but I need to first see how the first attacks will go before deciding



veji1 -> RE: The war has started (5/7/2014 10:25:55 AM)

The question for me is then, supplywise could you manage with first isolating Calcutta and focusing on destroying what you can from the Burma forces before they escape, than conquer Ceylon, and only then, with all you have, go for Calcutta, which you will have constantly bombed and suppressed in the meanwhile to avoid fort building ? Is that doable. That process wouldn't necessarily be extremely drawn out, after all you are only in late january. If you conquered Calcutta in late april, do you still consider it worth it ?

The fact that you damaged the enterprise (even a little bit) and really damage the Yorktown is a big relief, it means that you should be safe from any too bold a move for 3/4 months. The only danger is where he can go for quick hops, like in the Aleutians.

Last question, what are your plans for Northern Oz ? Do you have enough forces ? If you plan on conquering northern OZ, wouldn't you be better of postponing it after Calcutta : Rather than having 2 Divs equivalent in Northern OZ and 6 in India, just bring those OZ pencilled forces to Calcutta, and only then go for northern OZ. That place is very hard to defend for the allies anyway in 1942 : Supply lines, limited airforce with PDU off, etc... What do you think ? If you want to break Calcutta, some form of concentration might be needed, otherwise you run the risk of having too many spread out forces.



GreyJoy -> RE: The war has started (5/7/2014 10:50:20 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: veji1

The question for me is then, supplywise could you manage with first isolating Calcutta and focusing on destroying what you can from the Burma forces before they escape, than conquer Ceylon, and only then, with all you have, go for Calcutta, which you will have constantly bombed and suppressed in the meanwhile to avoid fort building ? Is that doable. That process wouldn't necessarily be extremely drawn out, after all you are only in late january. If you conquered Calcutta in late april, do you still consider it worth it ?

The fact that you damaged the enterprise (even a little bit) and really damage the Yorktown is a big relief, it means that you should be safe from any too bold a move for 3/4 months. The only danger is where he can go for quick hops, like in the Aleutians.

Last question, what are your plans for Northern Oz ? Do you have enough forces ? If you plan on conquering northern OZ, wouldn't you be better of postponing it after Calcutta : Rather than having 2 Divs equivalent in Northern OZ and 6 in India, just bring those OZ pencilled forces to Calcutta, and only then go for northern OZ. That place is very hard to defend for the allies anyway in 1942 : Supply lines, limited airforce with PDU off, etc... What do you think ? If you want to break Calcutta, some form of concentration might be needed, otherwise you run the risk of having too many spread out forces.


Very nice questions mate!

Don't think that isolating calcutta is a viable solution imho. There could be hundreds of thousands supplies stocked there and the more those units sit there, the more exp they gain. Also the more time i give him to bring rinforcements to India, the more chnaces he has to try a counterattack.
Sure i eant to close the road from bruma to india but i think for that task the 55th division, along with some tanks and the full support of IJAAF should be enough.
Ceylon can be taken easily when and if Calcutta falls. Don't need much more than 2 IDs to do that. Probably, as u say, the best thing i can do is to send the imperial to Calcutta and gran it as soon as possible concentrating my forces, then shift to Ceylon.
Northern Oz? I think you are right. A full division now could be an overkill and a waste of resources at. The same time. Will send the 4th ID to Java first, along with some decent air force. Grab Batavaia with the equivalent of 3 IDs and then see if they are still needed in India or if they can be moved to northern Oz.
I'll try to remain flexible. The first results at Calcutta will surely let me see how and where to conentrate the forces i have.
However considerthat i'm buying out in these days another full ID from China (26th) that is prepping for Calcutta... If not needed by the time it arrives at Singa it could be used against Luzon or Java...




ny59giants -> RE: The war has started (5/7/2014 10:53:20 AM)

One last comment here. Why is everybody forced on raw AV values vs the actual Anti-Armor and Anti-Soft values the Allied troops have at this time in the war?? [&:] [:(] Almost all of them are really bad, IMO.



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