RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J)

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obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (5/8/2014 10:35:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jmalter hi obvert, I recall an earlier GJ AAR (I'm not reading his side of his current game w/ you) where he got creamed in India, got pushed all the way back to Karachi(!) & was having poor results from offensive forays making spoiling attacks out of Karachi against the IJA advance on that bastion. W/ 6 divs at Diamond Harbor, he may be trying to replicate that action. Keep Recon & NavS to observe any add'l forces arriving at Diamond Harbor. Looks like he's determined to take Calcutta, keep him under observation to see if BFs & planes are moving in. As Albert noted, he'd be making a major mistake if he goes all out for India before reducing your Philippine bastion. I think you should make a big effort to ship supply to Bataan & Manila, build forts & minefields there, bring in some capable airgroups if your airfields are tenable - Fighters, NavS & a group of torp-capable PBYs w/ high NavT skill. These guys won't do well if their target is covered by fighters, but they can wax an undefended convoy. You can defend against an IJ AV by building up bases in CONUS - while I applaud your efforts to improve the Aleutians, you are in Winter there, & your base-construction is at half-value. Use your engrs to max the size/value of your CONUS bases. All bases in CONUS, Russia, Canada, and everywhere else including off-map are building and will be maxed by 1/43. No worries there. However, that doesn't make me less concerned. GJ has been through an India defense not once but twice! He knows it quite well. He also knows what the reinforcement package is like for crossing the LOD. I doubt he will but he may challenge by putting a package of high value targets together, including So Pac, Eastern India and parts of China and OZ. it's doable, so I have to defend against it. I love the PI reinforcement idea Alfred puts forth ( I think you wrote Albert). I'll have time next week to go through the OOB more thoroughly and see what is possible. I have to start moving CVs now though, so I will once the ones en route to Cape Town arrive there. His move will never be a mistake until I make it one, so it's dependent on me to make a strong enough challenge to leaving the first goals only partly achieved before moving on. I'l give it my best shot! [:)]

BBfanboy -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (5/9/2014 1:35:44 AM)
I have never had a problem with putting a full load of mines on a ship in one turn .... if there were enough mines! In stock, Allied mine pools are very shallow and the production rate is very low. After the ACMs and DMs drop their initial load that they start with, most sit around waiting for a load of mines to be produced. Could be different in your scenario version though.

JocMeister -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (5/10/2014 11:24:02 AM)
Hey Erik, Havn´t been able to keep up with the AAR but skimmed the last 2 pages. Be wary in China. Its almost impossible to keep a good recon on Japanese movements and often new Japanese attack vectors are spotted too late to react to. Make sure you have reserves on all fronts to the extent its possible. At Calcutta is it possible to pull back the 18th UK ID and replace it with one or two restricted Indian IDs instead?

obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (5/10/2014 5:02:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Hey Erik, Havn´t been able to keep up with the AAR but skimmed the last 2 pages. Be wary in China. Its almost impossible to keep a good recon on Japanese movements and often new Japanese attack vectors are spotted too late to react to. Make sure you have reserves on all fronts to the extent its possible. At Calcutta is it possible to pull back the 18th UK ID and replace it with one or two restricted Indian IDs instead? In China I have the RAF Lysander group to give some recon, and bombing also will give info. I have used some Hudsons, and now I'm sending a group od Blenheim IV as he's not CAPing anything. So they slow movement and tell me what units are there, mostly. Nanning is a vulnerable area, but I do have some reserve there. He's making a big early push for Sian, and it's not quite at forts 4. I'll have a full defense in the city though, SL maxed with reserve to send in. Just had the first results from Calcutta, and they weren't great. Bombing and naval bombardments really hurt, and it'll crumble soon. I would love to get it all out, and may be able to if I can get a hold for the next attack, but that's a very big IF. More soon on that. Good to see you here, dad x2! [;)]

obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (5/10/2014 5:41:36 PM)
Jan 26 - 28, 1942 ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ SUBS: Several more midget subs sacrifice themselves at Calcutta. The I-22 sinks an AM, the Penguin, at Panrhyn. Pacific: The Yorktown is slowly repairing system damage. I'm waiting to see fi subs are really pulled back to move her. Quaite a few TT have been shot at ASW forces with only the loss of AM Penguin. Ground units in the North begin preparing for the Marianas and Marcus. I've got enough to take a few islands, but in the next few weeks there are not a lot of decent troops arriving. If this happens it has to be soon. Might only get time for 50% prep. CHINA: Sian is the major push right now. Units are looking to be crossing the river from three sides. I've pulled back blocking units and will fill up the SL at the base with about 2200+ AV. The forts are unfortunately just at 3.79, and with 220 engineers working it might be 3 days until they get to level 4. Crap. The IJA is pushing fast and blind here, so it cold work against them, but another forts level would be much better ni the clear terrain. DEI: For a day at least there was no CAP at Palembang!! [:-][X(] I sent an exploratory 139WH-3 raid of three bombers, and they got two manpower hits for around 1000+ fires. Might take out a point or two. The next day Oscars were on CAP, but only the Ia version, and only 15. I'll get the remaining Dutch bombers to make a strike in a few days with some sweeps and escort. Might as well give it a shot! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR January 26, 42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Kweilin , at 76,54 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 8 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-48-Ib Lily x 19 Allied aircraft H81-A3 x 24 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-48-Ib Lily: 12 destroyed No Allied losses Runway hits 2 Aircraft Attacking: 2 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 6000 feet Airfield Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91 Weather in hex: Light rain Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 12 minutes Allied aircraft 139WH-3 x 3 Allied aircraft losses 139WH-3: 2 damaged Japanese Ships ACM Kyo Maru #5 Manpower hits 2 Fires 1021 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x 139WH-3 bombing from 100 feet City Attack: 1 x 300 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Losses: Loss of AM Penguin on Jan 26, 1942 is admitted ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ [image]local://upfiles/37283/88B5A6C8E7D6449F88806E98BDEC283B.jpg[/image] ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Well, looks like an AKE will provide mines! The TF stopped off at Christmas and filled up. It's only a size 2 port, so it has to be the AKE supporting here. Good to know. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Lowpe -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (5/10/2014 6:33:33 PM)
Doesn't the Penguin start in Guam? If so, that you got her out might bode well for your future offensive actions. Holes in the defense so to speak.

obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (5/10/2014 6:43:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Doesn't the Penguin start in Guam? If so, that you got her out might bode well for your future offensive actions. Holes in the defense so to speak. She does. I sent her back immediately, so now the air search etc, will be completely different. One thing I won't fall into is hoping my opponent will make mistakes. He is proven top-notch player, and he's incredibly aggressive, but he knows how to defend as well. There will be something to take advantage of at some point, but his search, subs and pickets will not likely be a weak point.

BBfanboy -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (5/10/2014 9:34:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Jan 26 - 28, 1942 ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ [image]local://upfiles/37283/88B5A6C8E7D6449F88806E98BDEC283B.jpg[/image] ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Well, looks like an AKE will provide mines! The TF stopped off at Christmas and filled up. It's only a size 2 port, so it has to be the AKE supporting here. Good to know. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ The image shows that TF returning to PH with 140 mines on board. I hope you redirected it!

obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (5/10/2014 9:38:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy The image shows that TF returning to PH with 140 mines on board. I hope you redirected it! I did.

obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (5/11/2014 8:35:38 AM)
Jan 29 - 31, 1942 ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ SUBS: Tarpon hits an xAK near Ambon, one of the few Mk 14 hits early. Pacific: Looks like most of the subs have moved away from Penrhyn and the Yorktown will be ready to move in about 3-4 days. I'll make a few test runs along the possible routes to see if any subs are still here. One thing about the Glen subs is that even if I don't see them, the rise in DL caused by Glen searching tips off their presence. Yorktown is down to 12 system damage, and should get to around 10 by the time she moves. All air groups have been removed and will be posted at Christmas Island and Palmyra to patrol the route back. CHINA: The IJA shocks into Sian with poor results. I'd just gotten enough troops back in time. The DA got a 1:2 and the IJA took heavy losses. With the disruption from the crossing and the massive disablements, I think it's time to risk a DA there! [X(] Tomorrow will be a big one for this theatre. If we expel the Japanese that will assure Sian's safety for a good long time and halt the northern thrust for some time, allowing forces to dig in completely up in the mountains. Fingers crossed! INDIA: As good as things are looking in China, they are equally bad in India. The troops in Calcutta are near collapse, and that could mean they get cut off and destroyed. Devastation for the Brits, and danger for all of India. Also, the KB is moving down the Southern coast now ready to cut off transport to India. i've got several transports that will be in danger very soon, coming off of the map edges. Yuck. DEI: As the IJA lands new troops in Java the Allies fly in 45 B-17Es! I placed them at Madoien, not being reconned. After a day of rest they will try to hit Palembang manpower. With only Oscar Ia there, it should be possible to do some damage. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR January 30, 42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Asansol (53,34) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 823 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 23 Defending force 1311 troops, 10 guns, 97 vehicles, Assault Value = 67 Japanese adjusted assault: 16 Allied adjusted defense: 7 Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Asansol !!! Combat modifiers Defender: disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-) Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+), leaders(-) Allied ground losses: 238 casualties reported Squads: 8 destroyed, 2 disabled Non Combat: 22 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled) Vehicles lost 61 (61 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units retreated 2 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 1st Raiding Rgt /1 Defending units: 15th/1st Punjab Battalion 16th Light Cavalry Regiment -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR January 31, 42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Naval bombardment of Calcutta at 52,37 Japanese Ships CA Nachi CA Haguro CA Myoko CA Chokai CL Kiso CL Kinu CL Naka CL Sendai DD Harukaze DD Hatsuharu DD Suzukaze DD Samidare DD Murasame DD Hatsukaze DD Oyashio DD Kuroshio TB Kamo TB Hato TB Kasasagi TB Hatsukari TB Manazuru TB Chidori DMS W-19 DMS W-12 DMS W-2 Allied Ships AMc Lahore, Shell hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage xAK Oregonian, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage xAK Indianan, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage xAK Testbank, Shell hits 3, heavy fires AMc Sophie Marie, Shell hits 2, on fire xAKL Illinoian, Shell hits 2, on fire xAK Texan, Shell hits 2 Allied ground losses: 420 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 43 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Guns lost 12 (2 destroyed, 10 disabled) Light Industry hits 1 Resources hits 1 Repair Shipyard hits 2 Fires 1 Airbase hits 6 Airbase supply hits 7 Runway hits 56 Port hits 7 Port fuel hits 2 Port supply hits 1 CA Nachi firing at 18th British Division -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55 Weather in hex: Light rain Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 2 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 21 Ki-27b Nate x 6 Allied aircraft H81-A3 x 11 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed Ki-27b Nate: 2 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Sian (83,41) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 78579 troops, 617 guns, 674 vehicles, Assault Value = 2503 Defending force 122683 troops, 440 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2968 Japanese adjusted assault: 1046 Allied adjusted defense: 1136 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3) Combat modifiers Defender: experience(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 11393 casualties reported Squads: 336 destroyed, 526 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 166 disabled Engineers: 21 destroyed, 32 disabled Guns lost 78 (10 destroyed, 68 disabled) Vehicles lost 111 (7 destroyed, 104 disabled) Allied ground losses: 5997 casualties reported Squads: 91 destroyed, 314 disabled Non Combat: 25 destroyed, 286 disabled Engineers: 13 destroyed, 41 disabled Guns lost 77 (10 destroyed, 67 disabled) Assaulting units: 36th Division 41st Division 12th Tank Regiment 37th Division 4th Ind.Mixed Brigade 6th Ind.Mixed Brigade 2nd Ind.Mixed Brigade 5th Tank Regiment 5th Armored Car Co 3rd Tank Regiment 9th Tank Regiment 15th Tank Regiment 10th Tank Regiment 7th Ind.Mixed Brigade 110th Division 11th Tank Regiment 1st Army 15th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 12th Army 6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment North China Area Army Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment Defending units: 3rd Chinese Corps 38th Chinese Corps 3rd Construction Regiment 9th Chinese Corps 90th Chinese Corps 2nd Chinese Cavalry Corps 92nd Chinese Corps 16th Chinese Corps 2nd Construction Regiment 57th Chinese Corps 96th Chinese Corps 1st Construction Regiment 7th Construction Regiment 85th Chinese Corps 36th Chinese Corps 4th Construction Regiment 1st War Area 24th Group Army 8th Group Army 10th Chinese Base Force 34th Group Army 14th Group Army 4th Chinese Base Force 4th Group Army 7th Group Army Red Chinese Army 2nd War Area 3rd Group Army 5th War Area 15th Chinese Base Force -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Pingsiang (82,54) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 41142 troops, 414 guns, 158 vehicles, Assault Value = 1104 Defending force 37151 troops, 215 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 967 Japanese adjusted assault: 590 Allied adjusted defense: 1125 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 2) Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 2644 casualties reported Squads: 5 destroyed, 203 disabled Non Combat: 15 destroyed, 23 disabled Engineers: 26 destroyed, 7 disabled Vehicles lost 12 (7 destroyed, 5 disabled) Allied ground losses: 525 casualties reported Squads: 4 destroyed, 59 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Assaulting units: 2nd Ind Engineer Regiment 15th Division 34th Division 116th Division 23rd Tank Regiment 15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment 14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 13th Army 8th Armored Car Co 4th Mortar Battalion Defending units: 26th Chinese Corps 9th Prov Chinese Corps 79th Chinese Corps 45th Chinese Corps 3rd New Chinese Corps -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Calcutta (52,37) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 82847 troops, 885 guns, 378 vehicles, Assault Value = 2517 Defending force 37701 troops, 287 guns, 499 vehicles, Assault Value = 957 Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1 Japanese adjusted assault: 1393 Allied adjusted defense: 977 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 1) Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 3784 casualties reported Squads: 16 destroyed, 110 disabled Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 36 disabled Engineers: 24 destroyed, 62 disabled Guns lost 16 (1 destroyed, 15 disabled) Vehicles lost 17 (3 destroyed, 14 disabled) Allied ground losses: 961 casualties reported Squads: 20 destroyed, 73 disabled Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 43 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled Guns lost 14 (7 destroyed, 7 disabled) Vehicles lost 61 (38 destroyed, 23 disabled) Assaulting units: 19th Ind Engineer Regiment 33rd Division 2nd Division 15th Guards Regiment 20th Ind Engineer Regiment 55th Cavalry Regiment 1st Tank Regiment 5th Division 38th Division 21st Division 18th Division 2nd Raiding Rgt /4 3rd Mortar Battalion 3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 2nd Mortar Battalion 2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 16th AA Regiment 20th AA Regiment 14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 112th Infantry Rgt /5 25th Army 18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment 1st RF Gun Battalion 31st Fld AA Gun Co Southern Army 3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment 143rd Infantry Rgt /3 Defending units: 50th Tank Brigade 45th Indian Brigade 254th Armoured Brigade 43rd Cavalry Regiment 1st Patiala Lancers Regiment 255th Armoured Brigade Fort William 44th Indian Brigade 18th British Division 36th Indian Brigade Eastern Command India Command 6th Heavy AA Regiment 23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment 35th Light AA Regiment -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Losses: DD Michishio is reported to have been sunk near Singkawang on Dec 08, 1941 xAK Yasuteru Maru is reported to have been sunk near Ambon on Jan 30, 1942 ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ [image]local://upfiles/37283/C233063BD9CC46BEA5B682BB34309468.jpg[/image] ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ As seen here, the assault value of IJA troops went way down as they crossed, and our troops were hardly affected, with relatively no fatigue or disruption. It's on for tomorrow!!! ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

ny59giants -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (5/11/2014 8:44:35 AM)
I hope you place a few CA/CLs with Yorktown to potentially soak up TT hits. Plot your course carefully and then set those FPs from cruisers to cover a very small arc in front of your movement to try to raise the DL on any subs you may run over. I would set range to 2 (1 actually for ASW) at 1000' and cross your fingers.

obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (5/11/2014 8:58:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants I hope you place a few CA/CLs with Yorktown to potentially soak up TT hits. Plot your course carefully and then set those FPs from cruisers to cover a very small arc in front of your movement to try to raise the DL on any subs you may run over. I would set range to 2 (1 actually for ASW) at 1000' and cross your fingers. Yes, but I'll provide night search from the FP groups from the CAs. I'll have ASW search from the nearby Sara Devastators, which I've been training up, and Cat and DB search as well. Because the night phase will likely be a two hex journey (out of three for the total run for York each day) I'll likely set the FP to 4 hexes to cover the entire nightly route. The TBD will be covering the daylight parts and Cats searching the area to see if anything is moving in from farther off. At least that is the plan. [:)]

obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (5/11/2014 9:09:39 AM)
CHINA ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Here is the view in China. Looking good as long as this counter-attack succeeds and the Pingsiang troops continue to hold and wear down the IJA sieging the base. Forts there are at 2.43 and rising again after being knocked down to 2 recently. I will not ever build them over 3, just want to keep trying to get there to inflict bigger losses on the attackers with only minimal supply usage. The IJA brought one brigade into the area behind Pingsiang. I own the hex and path between though, so I'm bringing the AV there to 1100 before I strike back and hopefully knock the brigade back. GJ hasn't been bombing troops in China at all, and seems content to keep only Nates and Claudes in China. Early losses to the AVG may have discouraged his bombing, and he is suffering on the ground for not using it. Of course with PDU-off there aren't as many 2E groups, either, and the ones he has are in India and the PI. [image]local://upfiles/37283/3E6AC43DF24F46C2A994AB42628504CE.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (5/11/2014 10:28:20 AM)
INDIA ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ This has me worried. The IJA has gotten two 1:1 attacks in Calcutta, and the naval and aerial bombardments are wearing down the troops quickly. Now all but one exit is blocked, and this could be the end for the UK 18th. Sad, but true. There is nothing yet I can do to get air supremacy, so I have to build behind, wait and attempt to land more at Karachi to build it up quickly. The KB now presents a problem, as it's moving in the IO and looks to be aiming to cut off India. There are numerous TFs coming to the map edge over the next week, and one in a few days is especially important, with three US air groups on it. It's aiming for near Socotra, so it could be fine. The KB is still near the tip of India, but in a few days it could get to the far edge and be a real threat. The RN CL TF is near Karachi, right along the map edge, ready to run or shoot forward at an opportunity. I have another SCTF in an undisclosed but interesting location in the IO. More on that later. If Calcutta falls all decent troops that can move, not part of a needed garrison allocation, will head to Karachi. Troops coming back from Burma will head to Ledo, as will free Chinese divisions. The Burma division will attempt to hold Lashio and fall back into China if necessary. All plans are go for a Pacific counter, and air combat TFs will begin to move to No Pac in about two weeks with necessary AP/AK and surface forces. [image]local://upfiles/37283/E3814C2F7230477796BF846F9C31F194.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (5/11/2014 11:02:02 AM)
Feb 1, 1942 ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ CHINA: The Chinese counter-attack comes out well ahead and knocks the entire Japanese army out of Sian!!! [&o] This is a big day for the Chinese. With the North secure for another few months building and recovery can take place to build even stronger defenses and get troops into tip-top shape. I'm thinking now to even shift some troops through the central plains to the mountains and the SW as reserve. There should be time to now build up the remaining big Corps to 500-600AV monsters. This could mean the NW oil in Sian and Lanchow is denied to the Japanese permanently, which could make up for some of the resources they will likely gain in India. I thought about pursuing and hitting the shattered divisions even harder, but I can't really take the risk of shocking over the river with low supply, and it is now very low in Sian. It's time to recover and rest for a few days at least. INDIA: Not sure what happened at Calcutta last turn, as a small DA hit the base resulting in a bunch of Japanese engineers and non-comabt troops destroyed. I'll take it! Won't likely change the outcome here much. The KB vanishes into the IO. That has me sweating, as until I know it's location I can't send troop convoys anywhere. I've moved some B-17Ds to Colombo and Bombay for extended search. Pacific: In about 3-4 days I'll begin moving the Yorktown if all seems clear nearby. So far no sign of DL increases or sub sightings between Penrhyn and Pearl. DEI: The B-17s are set to hit Palembang along with a few of the remaining Dutch bombers. A few Dutch Buffalos will sweep, but very few. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR February 1, 42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Calcutta (52,37) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 4201 troops, 227 guns, 187 vehicles, Assault Value = 2306 Defending force 36933 troops, 281 guns, 458 vehicles, Assault Value = 893 Japanese adjusted assault: 0 Allied adjusted defense: 873 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 99 (fort level 1) Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 908 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 42 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 38 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 14 (1 destroyed, 13 disabled) Vehicles lost 13 (9 destroyed, 4 disabled) Allied ground losses: 36 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled) Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Sian (83,41) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 95257 troops, 396 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2619 Defending force 77130 troops, 608 guns, 870 vehicles, Assault Value = 1649 Allied adjusted assault: 1233 Japanese adjusted defense: 416 Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: disruption(-), preparation(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 25679 casualties reported Squads: 657 destroyed, 103 disabled Non Combat: 647 destroyed, 143 disabled Engineers: 23 destroyed, 14 disabled Guns lost 119 (76 destroyed, 43 disabled) Vehicles lost 263 (143 destroyed, 120 disabled) Units retreated 20 Allied ground losses: 5867 casualties reported Squads: 74 destroyed, 531 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 36 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 46 disabled Guns lost 35 (3 destroyed, 32 disabled) Defeated Japanese Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 2nd Construction Regiment 92nd Chinese Corps 38th Chinese Corps 90th Chinese Corps 36th Chinese Corps 16th Chinese Corps 85th Chinese Corps 7th Construction Regiment 9th Chinese Corps 2nd Chinese Cavalry Corps 1st Construction Regiment 57th Chinese Corps 96th Chinese Corps 4th Construction Regiment 4th Chinese Base Force Red Chinese Army 14th Group Army 2nd War Area 7th Group Army 3rd Group Army 5th War Area 24th Group Army 1st War Area 10th Chinese Base Force 3rd Chinese Corps 4th Group Army 8th Group Army 3rd Construction Regiment 34th Group Army 15th Chinese Base Force Defending units: 36th Division 7th Ind.Mixed Brigade 9th Tank Regiment 41st Division 5th Armored Car Co 10th Tank Regiment 110th Division 5th Tank Regiment 12th Tank Regiment 37th Division 2nd Ind.Mixed Brigade 15th Tank Regiment 4th Ind.Mixed Brigade 6th Ind.Mixed Brigade 3rd Tank Regiment 11th Tank Regiment 12th Army 15th Medium Field Artillery Regiment North China Area Army 6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 1st Army Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ [image]local://upfiles/37283/F0812FE45DE54BB6975F6476F45343CE.jpg[/image] ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Java will be taken soon, but there are still good bases here and I'd like to see if a few oil points can be taken off before they're gone. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Lowpe -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (5/11/2014 11:24:56 AM)
Wow! I am shocked that one you had the supplies to deliberate attack, and two that you did. That is an eye opener and no mistake.[X(] Where were the Japanese supplies?[&:] Did he not have three roads for supply to move in? And your supply coming through ugly terrain. Color me amazed. Well done General.[&o] In India, I suspect GreyJoy missed switching all the units off deliberate attack. It has happened to me occasionally, especially with big stacks. Sometimes you just miss things.

obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (5/11/2014 12:23:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Wow! I am shocked that one you had the supplies to deliberate attack, and two that you did. That is an eye opener and no mistake.[X(] Where were the Japanese supplies?[&:] Did he not have three roads for supply to move in? And your supply coming through ugly terrain. Color me amazed. Well done General.[&o] In India, I suspect GreyJoy missed switching all the units off deliberate attack. It has happened to me occasionally, especially with big stacks. Sometimes you just miss things. The long LOC down a yellow road to the Sian area for the Japanese is something that has to be monitored continuously. I've attacked over the same area and it may be a few days before each pulse of supply comes through. He was also attacking from three different hexes into Sian and shocking over a river. I'm sure when they crossed they used up any surplus supply, and because it was the next day when the Chinese countered, there wasn't time fot it to fill in. About a third of the Chinese forces were below full supply too, but I went for it anyway, hoping the IJA disruption would be the larger factor. Sian gets 80 'free' supply a day, plus the industry there, so it has some internally that will always keep it going unless the IJAAF pounds away daily.

obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (5/11/2014 2:11:29 PM)
Now the questions is; do I pursue?!? [:)]

obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (5/11/2014 2:28:35 PM)
Just did a quick count. Since I'm very interested in VP totals this game, and also for the first time really looking closely at certain moves with this system in mind, I calculated the losses for the past two days around Sian. The total devices lost for the two days for the IJA was 1922. Divided by 6 this comes to 320 VP, or more the the cost of an IJN CV! [:)] Things like this will keep me in the game for the first AV date on 1/43. (Of course Calcutta could reverse this in a day once it falls). Looks like pursuing might be a good idea here as well if I can harvest a few more. The IJA units should be either very low morale or completely disorganized, which would mean I can probably catch them with about 1800AV. Supply is the question. I'll have to check tomorrow what it looks like at Sian. Last turn it was at 80! [:D]

ny59giants -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (5/11/2014 2:48:55 PM)
US Army Fighters: You just got those 5 ABDA P-40E groups in Australia. Unless needed to defend, I use them to train up pilots for the 60 days they are available until I can get other groups from USA there (about 30 days from USA to Australia). I usually spend PP to get them better leaders to help with training. In mid-March when they go away, the planes and pilots go back into your pools. [:)] I usually upgrade at least one of the AVG groups to the E models as you will run short of H81s. Regardless of what the 3 x 25 plane groups are, I will often upgrade those 5 plane HQ groups to P-39s vs keeping them as P-40s as you will use the P-40s more. In a few months you will have around 500 US Army fighter pilots. Some need further training and I rotate them into the USA restricted groups (some of the P-43 Lancers) to finish up as those there get trained up. Aden - Can you use at least one of the rebuilding BFs from those destroyed and bought out (PPs) from Malaya to make the short trip to Socotra along with a Catalina group (or bombers) to provide some Naval Search capabilities?? I steadily use PP to buy back destroyed BFs regardless of nationality.

obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (5/11/2014 3:45:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants US Army Fighters: You just got those 5 ABDA P-40E groups in Australia. Unless needed to defend, I use them to train up pilots for the 60 days they are available until I can get other groups from USA there (about 30 days from USA to Australia). I usually spend PP to get them better leaders to help with training. In mid-March when they go away, the planes and pilots go back into your pools. [:)] I usually upgrade at least one of the AVG groups to the E models as you will run short of H81s. Regardless of what the 3 x 25 plane groups are, I will often upgrade those 5 plane HQ groups to P-39s vs keeping them as P-40s as you will use the P-40s more. In a few months you will have around 500 US Army fighter pilots. Some need further training and I rotate them into the USA restricted groups (some of the P-43 Lancers) to finish up as those there get trained up. Aden - Can you use at least one of the rebuilding BFs from those destroyed and bought out (PPs) from Malaya to make the short trip to Socotra along with a Catalina group (or bombers) to provide some Naval Search capabilities?? I steadily use PP to buy back destroyed BFs regardless of nationality. Thanks for the tips on the P-40s. I've got those up around Perth for now, training, yes. All other free USAAF groups are heading to Cape Town to be used either in OZ or India depending on where I can get them. One transit I may have to consider if the KB is closing the rest is a long journey from Java to the PI to Wenchow and into China, then to India. I can do it with drop tanks, but only for a little while longer while Java is in Allied hands. I have several groups arriving in Cape Town soon I'll send to OZ with the hope of making this journey. I've been buying back base forces, and trying to save portions of some of the surviving ones from the Cocos foray. I've got one at Socotra and search there already, one on the base below Aden on the extended map, whatever it is, and one at Masirah, between the two off-map outlets, that has 3 RAF Cats. I've also been sending all subs from the DEI to Colombo and they're arriving now in the area, so they will be out hunting in the deeps of the IO for the KB as well. I hope to do better here with a lot of space around that in the DEI. If I can at least damage a big CV it'll discourage this kind of use of them I hope.

SqzMyLemon -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (5/11/2014 4:38:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert GJ hasn't been bombing troops in China at all, and seems content to keep only Nates and Claudes in China. Great job in China! I think you can attribute most of your success to this though. If Greyjoy was making the same moves against you, but supported by bombing you know what the results would be. I'd caution pursuing near Sian. The situation in China can change quickly. I'd further consolidate your line and form a reserve rather than attack, as he's now in better defensive terrain. The Japanese will recover from this setback over time, use that time to make it even harder to advance. Make him pay every step of the way now.

obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (5/11/2014 5:46:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon quote: ORIGINAL: obvert GJ hasn't been bombing troops in China at all, and seems content to keep only Nates and Claudes in China. Great job in China! I think you can attribute most of your success to this though. If Greyjoy was making the same moves against you, but supported by bombing you know what the results would be. I'd caution pursuing near Sian. The situation in China can change quickly. I'd further consolidate your line and form a reserve rather than attack, as he's now in better defensive terrain. The Japanese will recover from this setback over time, use that time to make it even harder to advance. Make him pay every step of the way now. Thanks Joseph. I agree, it's the largest factor. The other thing I've tried to do is conserve by keeping replacements off for most units, putting a lot in rest in rear bases to let squads recover, and only building forts n the most necessary locations. Keeping fuel/oil moving from Lanchow and Sian for a while longer at least is a big plus right now. He's put a lot of eggs in the India basket. That is the main reason there are no strong fighter groups or big 2E bomber groups in China. So if he had sent less there, I might be in better shape in Calcutta, but worse in China! [:)]

Lokasenna -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (5/11/2014 11:05:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants I steadily use PP to buy back destroyed BFs regardless of nationality. Same, at least for the early part of the war when they'll make a difference. The device pools for Engineers, Support, Aviation Support, Motorized Support, etc. are shared among all nations.

Alfred -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (5/12/2014 4:11:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon quote: ORIGINAL: obvert GJ hasn't been bombing troops in China at all, and seems content to keep only Nates and Claudes in China. Great job in China! I think you can attribute most of your success to this though. If Greyjoy was making the same moves against you, but supported by bombing you know what the results would be. I'd caution pursuing near Sian. The situation in China can change quickly. I'd further consolidate your line and form a reserve rather than attack, as he's now in better defensive terrain. The Japanese will recover from this setback over time, use that time to make it even harder to advance. Make him pay every step of the way now. SqzMyLemon is correct. Do not pursue. 1. If you are crossing a river that will severely degrade your Chinese forces who are already harbouring many disablements from the combat. If the retreat went to the SE wooded hex, the terrain will kill your attack. 2. The enemy will have some days for recovery before you reach them whereas you will not have recovered by the time you make contact. Plus you will find that Japanese forces recover quicker from combat than do Chinese forces. 3. It is easy for your opponent to introduce some airpower to hit any advancing Chinese. 4. Out in the open there is no objective bonus so Japan will not receive a negative modifier. 5. You need to use the organic engineers of the Chinese infantry divs to build up the Sian fortification levels before the enemy returns. That was a close run thing but you came out ahead. China has to be played with a 1-1-4-4 system relying upon quick breakouts from the back and avoiding the offside trap. Pursuing would be like playing with a 2-1-4-3 system. Alfred

obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (5/12/2014 5:30:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alfred That was a close run thing but you came out ahead. China has to be played with a 1-1-4-4 system relying upon quick breakouts from the back and avoiding the offside trap. Pursuing would be like playing with a 2-1-4-3 system. Alfred Good thing I've spent seven years here in the UK watching the Premiere League or I might not get you here! [;)] The Chinese are a defensive force until late, and should remain that. I have to remind myself after a big positive outcome like that, and it's so good to hear more experienced voices reinforce that. As a chess player I was always better playing like Karpov, or even Smyslov. Slow and steady, very solid positionally, letting the offense pound away until they begin trying to force through by sacrificing position or material. With so many turns it's often hard to remember we're still very early in the opening. Lots of days left.

obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (5/12/2014 6:14:27 AM)
OPERATION BOOMERANG Here is the idea. 1. A force consisting of 4 regiments and supporting armor, arty, and engineer units moving from Adak around March 1. This is about as early as I can get pieces in place, and also is placed close to the end of the invasion bonus to make it harder for Japan to answer immediately with overwhelming force. These units invade Marcus, then Tinian and Guam. Adak to Marcus is 55 hexes, or around 8 days at 7 hexes/day. They invade and take this small atoll, then move to Tinian and Guam 3 days later. So 12 days for phase 1 invasions, about 3 days to secure the bases. If at any point it looks like more troops are on these islands than we can handle everything turns around and goes home. Forces would then move from Midway to take Wake on the way back supported by bombardments and CV air power. 2. An invasion of Ndeni in the So Pac area takes advantage of the timing to secure a foothold South of the Solomons. There has not been much activity here after the initial landings, but I'd like to make an advance to encourage Japan to continue sending supply, troops and generally spending heavily to fight so far from home. 3. In 6-10 days the KB or a section of it could make it to the Marianas. Subs will be placed at choke points to hopefully hit something on the way to the Pacific. If they arrive unharmed the invasion fleets must be on their way out and the CVs also ready to head back 6 days after being spotted on the way to Marcus, B-Day -1 most likely. That only leaves as few as 5 days to land, secure and drop supplies before having to retire. Or, if the KB stays in the IO, the forces continue on to resupply the PI. This is the dicey part, as the approaches will be heavily monitored and surface and air forces could arrive from many directions to derail this part of the op. If it looks at all too risky everything will move back. What do you all think? [image]local://upfiles/37283/BA57A70A271948A88601AEC37C8F5E4F.jpg[/image]

Alfred -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (5/12/2014 7:27:52 AM)
Seems OK but I would conceptualise it as a 3 sequential rather than a single operation. 1. Little Boomerang 2. Big Boomerang 3. Boom Boom Boomerang Little Boomerang is capturing the outer perimeter, Marcus and Wake islands. You should aim to keep these conquests so you may need to have a follow up force comprising garrison troops and supply. By keeping them you make any subsequent Philippine resupply efforts easier. Big Boomerang is the move to the Marianas. Whilst it would be nice to keep these bases, the current priority is to have them to make the current resupply convoy get through. Boom Boom Boomerang is the Philippine resupply convoy. This is the real objective of the exercise and may well be missed by your opponent who may easily think you are only after capturing the Central Pacific real estate whilst the KB is over in India. The reason why I would use this conceptualisation is because you have indicated a willingness to run away at the mere sighting of the KB. I can understand this for Little and Big Boomerang because you are transporting valuable and as at March 1942, scarce Allied assets. Drawing off the KB from India would mean that Little and Big Boomerang would already have accomplished a great deal even if they were recalled before getting to their objective. However, Boom Boom Boomerang is a different story altogether as that need only be comprised of expendable cargo ships carrying only supply intended solely for the Philippines, able to move independently of the main body (and without necessarily waiting for the main body to complete it's actions) involved in Little and Big Boomerang. Accordingly I would modify your plan by structuring Boom Boom Boomerang as follows: 1. At least two separate TFs. (a) A cargo/transport TF carrying only supply. Only ships with sufficient endurance to make the round trip should be in it as you don't want to refuel at sea. This TF would have minimal embedded escorts, say 2x minesweepers just to keep any enemy subs from attacking on the surface. (b) A transport TF which carries any air units you intend to land in the Philippines and who cannot be flown in. I'm not certain this is really necessary and long range planes such as the PBY should be able to get in via Marcus. (c) An amphibious TF to carry any reinforcing LCUs. Personally I don't think you should be sending any LCUs at this point but it is your call. With Marcus and Wake under Allied control you can subsequently use SST to sneak in infantry safely or with more risk, a new convoy. 2. These TFs can travel together with the main body and enjoy carrier protection. But they should not wait for the Marianas to be secured. Whilst your troops are disembarking in the Marianas, they should independently be sent off to Luzon. There is no need to lose 3+ days at the Marianas. Doing this means you don't just run away if the KB arrives on scene. Enemy LBA and the KB will have two different targets, the main body and the resupply elements. This will distract the enemy from focussing on destroying the fleet. It means you would run a calculated risk on the ultimate survival of the cargo ships but carrying only supply, that seems to me to be a good gamble to take. Alfred

obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (5/12/2014 11:01:42 AM)
Thanks Alfred. My concerns with the op involve mostly boom boom boomerang. I don't want to send ships to the PI for nothing, but I see the immense benefits of resupplying there. The difficulty for me is that with two CVs potentially in the shop, and only two US and one Brit CV available this early, I can't risk much. I'll have to see what the reaction is as the op develops but also Japanese LBA from Babeldaob could easily take care of the PI resupply (without need for the KB to deal with that one) without CV support. The airfields at Clark and Manila are getting progressively worse as better fighter escort is making ambushes from China less possible. He's now using 40 Nates, around 27 A6M2 and the 6 Ki-44 remaining to support around 150 bombers hitting both bases daily. Now, the threat of a PI resupply could also be a useful tool, and maybe that comes from not just the central Pacific but also the Darwin area. That assumes Japan hasn't taken Darwin by then. I'm leaning toward Little Boomerang followed by Big Boomerang if he hasn't defended the Marianas sufficiently, but also feel it's not the best option to leave two regiments of the 1st Marine sitting at Tinian in early 42. So I'll not only see if I have time to land but also if I have time to reload, leaving a token presence, a raider battalion and a CD gun unit there. I agree with making Wake and Marcus the lasting elements of the op and using forces there that would deter later invasions. Still vulnerable, but capable of inflicting decent losses on the IJ if they attempt recapture. Inviting this would also mean CV support would be needed. In fact Big Boomerang could have the effect of keeping an element of the IJN CVs in the Cent pac area for a good amount of time. From what have seen there is a sizable mini-KB in the DEI, with 60+ fighters and 100+ bombers. There is a KB nearing the map edge in the IO with 65+ fighters and 140+ bombers. There was a smaller mini-KB near Calcutta which had 40+ fighters and 60+ bombers.

Lowpe -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (5/12/2014 11:24:15 AM)
How many supplies would you have to take to Luzon to make a difference? This is a neat idea, but I am a little skeptical that you can put enough air force there to actually impact resources flowing back to Japan. Yes, your troops will hold onto Luzon longer, and it will strain Japan's air force to counter especially with PDU off. Japan may even bring back troops from India, but more likely will use PP points to counter. A S boat base there would also be nice, too. These are the benefits I see... The other two operations are going to be a major pain for the Japan. Whatever you decide to do good luck, and it will be fun reading about.

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