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JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (9/8/2014 7:37:33 AM)
24th August 42 ______________________________________________________________________________ Besides the Noumea raid yesterday its very little to report. ------------------------ SOPAC/OZ ------------------------ My 4E doesn´t fly at night. No explanation given. Neither did the recon so it could be weather although the weather was fine both over Noumea and Fiji. [&:] Tom sweeps Sydney with A6M5s. Very dangerous plane as he can reach our HRed max alt of 33k. I have nothing that can go that high besides the extremely rare P38s which isn´t even operational yet. I have now lost 2 of the extremely precious F-4s to OP losses. Only 4 left now but they will luckily start producing in just 6 days. ------------------------ Burma ------------------------ Nothing here since Tom crushed the RAF over Calcutta. He seems content for now to bomb the Chinese from bases in Burma. ------------------------ Next OP ------------------------ Fleet and troops will arrive in 3 days. I will spend some time to go through Intel Monkey today and see if something has changed. Landing could be as soon as in 20-30 days.

Encircled -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (9/8/2014 8:26:30 AM)
As has been said, good raid that. Big case of "victory disease" there on your opponents part not having CAP up, and thats really good news for you.

Barb -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (9/8/2014 8:45:28 AM)
Hmm... done some maths on the Noumea raid... 96 of your heavy bombers achieved total of 83 hits in thunderstorms and flying at some 13 000ft through thunderstorms. Considering that B-17Es flown at extended range with reduced bomb load - you have dropped 578 bombs (If I remember the bomb-load right ..4 per B-17E, 10 per B-17D, 10 per LB-30 and 10 per B-24D)... and got 14,36% accuracy... [X(]

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (9/8/2014 8:54:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Barb Hmm... done some maths on the Noumea raid... 96 of your heavy bombers achieved total of 83 hits in thunderstorms and flying at some 13 000ft through thunderstorms. Considering that B-17Es flown at extended range with reduced bomb load - you have dropped 578 bombs (If I remember the bomb-load right ..4 per B-17E, 10 per B-17D, 10 per LB-30 and 10 per B-24D)... and got 14,36% accuracy... [X(] They were flying at 10k (lowest allowed altitude for 4Es by HR). I also left out a couple of attacks that didn´t hit anything. So I would say around 10% of all bombs hit something. In my experience with the game that is pretty bad for a port attack.

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (9/8/2014 1:09:22 PM)
26th August 42 ______________________________________________________________________________ Turns are a bit slow today. ------------------------ SOPAC/OZ ------------------------ On the second day the 4Es take off during the night. Nothing spectacular. I´m mostly doing this to force Tom to relocate. quote: Night Air attack on Noumea , at 115,160 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid detected at 32 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 8 minutes Allied aircraft B-17D Fortress x 6 No Allied losses Japanese Ships CA Mogami, Bomb hits 2 quote: Night Air attack on Noumea , at 115,160 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid detected at 16 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 4 minutes Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 6 No Allied losses Japanese Ships CL Kiso, Bomb hits 1 CA Mogami, Bomb hits 1 quote: Night Air attack on Noumea , at 115,160 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid detected at 49 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 15 minutes Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 6 No Allied losses Japanese Ships CL Kiso, Bomb hits 1, on fire quote: Night Air attack on Noumea , at 115,160 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 11 minutes Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 6 No Allied losses Japanese Ships CL Kiso, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage quote: Night Air attack on Noumea , at 115,160 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid detected at 20 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 7 minutes Allied aircraft LB-30 Liberator x 4 No Allied losses Japanese Ships CL Kiso, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage CA Myoko, Bomb hits 1 Might have cost him Kiso keeping them in port. Strangely enough he only moved in 70 Fighters for protection. Had I known I might have tried another daylight attack. Now supply is gone so I have to pull back. At least for now!

Lokasenna -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (9/8/2014 3:19:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister quote: ORIGINAL: Barb Hmm... done some maths on the Noumea raid... 96 of your heavy bombers achieved total of 83 hits in thunderstorms and flying at some 13 000ft through thunderstorms. Considering that B-17Es flown at extended range with reduced bomb load - you have dropped 578 bombs (If I remember the bomb-load right ..4 per B-17E, 10 per B-17D, 10 per LB-30 and 10 per B-24D)... and got 14,36% accuracy... [X(] They were flying at 10k (lowest allowed altitude for 4Es by HR). I also left out a couple of attacks that didn´t hit anything. So I would say around 10% of all bombs hit something. In my experience with the game that is pretty bad for a port attack. From 10,000 with thunderstorms? 10% sounds good to me.

Lokasenna -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (9/8/2014 3:20:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Might have cost him Kiso keeping them in port. Strangely enough he only moved in 70 Fighters for protection. Had I known I might have tried another daylight attack. Now supply is gone so I have to pull back. At least for now! Good followup. Look for an Alf in the aircraft losses over the next day or two... what size is Noumea's port? If he built it bigger than 3, you probably won't see her show up.

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (9/8/2014 3:26:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna From 10,000 with thunderstorms? 10% sounds good to me. Not complaining but in my experience port attacks for some reason are conducted by laser guided bombs. 30% hit rate wouldn´t have surprised me one bit! [:)] quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna Good followup. Look for an Alf in the aircraft losses over the next day or two... what size is Noumea's port? If he built it bigger than 3, you probably won't see her show up. Size 5 so unless the fires rage out of control I´m not expecting anything.

ny59giants -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (9/8/2014 4:26:21 PM)
Sounded like it was a good plan. The only thing I thought of while reading about your initial strike was where was the 10 plus subs to be placed north of island to catch the damaged ships leaving the next day. Add this to list for next time. [;)]

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (9/8/2014 4:32:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants Sounded like it was a good plan. The only thing I thought of while reading about your initial strike was where was the 10 plus subs to be placed north of island to catch the damaged ships leaving the next day. Add this to list for next time. [;)] Can´t have them there due to ASW air. The subs (only 8 though [;)]) are patrolling between the New Hebrides and the Solomons in a ASW search gap. [:)]

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (9/8/2014 5:26:29 PM)
28th August 42 ______________________________________________________________________________ More quiet. ------------------------ SOPAC/OZ ------------------------ Maneuvering around Brisbane with a tank force. Not really expecting anything more then to annoy Tom a little. A couple of VPs at least... quote: Ground combat at 95,157 (near Maryborough) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 4795 troops, 6 guns, 477 vehicles, Assault Value = 293 Defending force 4887 troops, 61 guns, 26 vehicles, Assault Value = 139 Allied adjusted assault: 139 Japanese adjusted defense: 191 Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), op mode(-), fatigue(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 353 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 27 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 18 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled Guns lost 32 (23 destroyed, 9 disabled) Vehicles lost 16 (2 destroyed, 14 disabled) Allied ground losses: 81 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled Vehicles lost 42 (1 destroyed, 41 disabled) Assaulting units: 2/11th Armoured Car Regiment 2/8th Armoured Regiment 2/6th Armoured Regiment 754th Tank Battalion 2/5th Armoured Regiment 2/4th Armoured Regiment 2/10th Armoured Regiment Defending units: 21st Ind.Mixed Brigade 4th RF Gun Battalion Bombers are back at mainland OZ resting and taking replacement. Will need at least 10-15 days before I can move them back to Suva as supply dropped down under 30k. Also found a new SCTF at Brisbane. The remnants of the Noumea strike. I´ll keep my eyes on Brisbane to see if he disbands anything in the harbor. ------------------------ Burma ------------------------ Another big sweep hit Calcutta. No allied planes rose to the sky. Not too worried about him bombing the AF. If I lack AA in OZ its the opposite in India... quote: Morning Air attack on Calcutta , at 52,37 Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 35,190 feet. Estimated time to target is 9 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 27 Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 42 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 42 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick sweeping at 31190 feet * ------------------------ China ------------------------ Slaughter continues... [image]local://upfiles/32406/6A5A1E2D629C49ECB877EE9152D1F49C.jpg[/image]

Lokasenna -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (9/8/2014 5:35:55 PM)
I'd bet almost anything that the new TF at Brisbane is made up of damaged ships from Noumea.

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (9/8/2014 5:49:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna I'd bet almost anything that the new TF at Brisbane is made up of damaged ships from Noumea. I would too. They got there fast, so probably not much engine damage. And Brisbane is a shipyard=10, so it can take most/all of the IJN CLs. The question for me would be why he went there when he knows you have major 4E assets nearby. Can he protect the yard? Or are they so hurt he had little choice?

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (9/8/2014 5:59:41 PM)
A small nugget ______________________________________________________________________________ I have a habit of checking the strategic map before I end the turn. I select to view only Japanese TFs. Sometimes it really pays off...found a small red dot in the middle of nowhere. This is what I found... [image]local://upfiles/32406/1EA6A539DEC24634ADA54B58220DD7A5.jpg[/image]

Spidery -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (9/8/2014 6:05:33 PM)
quote: I have a habit of checking the strategic map before I end the turn. I select to view only Japanese TFs. Sometimes it really pays off...found a small red dot in the middle of nowhere. This is what I found... Shokaku and Zuikaku heading to Japan to get radar fitted? Can you get a sub in the way?

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (9/8/2014 6:08:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Spidery Shokaku and Zuikaku heading to Japan to get radar fitted? Can you get a sub in the way? That was my thought too! [:)] Only have one sub close by as can be seen in the screen. Set it to full speed on intercept course. Not even going to bother keeping my fingers crossed though...[:D]

offenseman -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (9/8/2014 6:16:11 PM)
Brilliant find! Those heading home and the cruiser force trashed for a while is the news you have needed! At the least you will see a huge slowdown of his tempo. Is the USN CV fleet anywhere close? I envision a big sweep over Brisbane by the USN followed by 4e and CV aviation on Brisbane's port to smash those cruisers even more. Send the CVs at full speed if you have to.

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (9/8/2014 6:19:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: offenseman Brilliant find! Those heading home and the cruiser force trashed for a while is the news you have needed! At the least you will see a huge slowdown of his tempo. Is the USN CV fleet anywhere close? I envision a big sweep over Brisbane by the USN followed by 4e and CV aviation on Brisbane's port to smash those cruisers even more. Send the CVs at full speed if you have to. Sadly they left the South Pacific over a month ago together with the rest of the navy. Was no point in having them there with the entire IJN on station. Might come to regret that relocation! [X(]

offenseman -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (9/8/2014 6:34:22 PM)
If the 'kakus are heading to the HI you have plenty of time to deal with things before they can return. Brisbane is near the end of a LONG fuel chain for him which makes his KB and BB usage problematic. The cruiser force is probably not usable in the next two weeks, at least. This is an opportunity! Send them CVs to the area at flank speed if you have to and follow up with AOs if NZ has no gas. Also consider a 4e strike and/or Bombardment on Brisbane's port. Port damage will slow things down as well. While losing a bunch of 4e would not be so great, this is a rare opportunity. Be aggressive in this case and pounce on this! [:)]

Lokasenna -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (9/8/2014 6:37:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: offenseman Brilliant find! Those heading home and the cruiser force trashed for a while is the news you have needed! At the least you will see a huge slowdown of his tempo. Is the USN CV fleet anywhere close? I envision a big sweep over Brisbane by the USN followed by 4e and CV aviation on Brisbane's port to smash those cruisers even more. Send the CVs at full speed if you have to. Agree... Still, knowing that what appears to be 2 CVs heading to get their upgrades means you can fight the rest of KB on roughly even terms, which opens up your options for raiding for VPs, IMO... not necessarily to Japan, but his forward bases, such as the Solomons or Brisbane or even somewhere else. quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna I'd bet almost anything that the new TF at Brisbane is made up of damaged ships from Noumea. I would too. They got there fast, so probably not much engine damage. And Brisbane is a shipyard=10, so it can take most/all of the IJN CLs. The question for me would be why he went there when he knows you have major 4E assets nearby. Can he protect the yard? Or are they so hurt he had little choice? I'd guess that he put them there due to having better fighter protection (right?), and to be able to protect the ships from bombardments and such with an SCTF in hex. Also Brisbane has a bigger port (7+, right?), so can fix up to 5 points of major damage without even entering the yard. And then there's the yard to fix the DDs, and he only has to expand it a few points to fix the CAs. I'd only do this if major damage were under 10 or so, or really under 7-8, but that's a pretty reasonable damage result for bombs that bounced off of armor.

Lokasenna -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (9/8/2014 6:38:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: offenseman If the 'kakus are heading to the HI you have plenty of time to deal with things before they can return. Brisbane is near the end of a LONG fuel chain for him which makes his KB and BB usage problematic. The cruiser force is probably not usable in the next two weeks, at least. This is an opportunity! Send them CVs to the area at flank speed if you have to and follow up with AOs if NZ has no gas. Also consider a 4e strike and/or Bombardment on Brisbane's port. Port damage will slow things down as well. While losing a bunch of 4e would not be so great, this is a rare opportunity. Be aggressive in this case and pounce on this! [:)] I hadn't thought about this, but it's definitely true. Putting damage on Brisbane's port will be a huge PITA for him.

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (9/8/2014 9:48:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna 'd guess that he put them there due to having better fighter protection (right?), and to be able to protect the ships from bombardments and such with an SCTF in hex. Also Brisbane has a bigger port (7+, right?), so can fix up to 5 points of major damage without even entering the yard. And then there's the yard to fix the DDs, and he only has to expand it a few points to fix the CAs. I'd only do this if major damage were under 10 or so, or really under 7-8, but that's a pretty reasonable damage result for bombs that bounced off of armor. It starts as a 5(4). Allies can't expand yards, Japan-Boi. [:)]

Lokasenna -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (9/8/2014 10:59:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna 'd guess that he put them there due to having better fighter protection (right?), and to be able to protect the ships from bombardments and such with an SCTF in hex. Also Brisbane has a bigger port (7+, right?), so can fix up to 5 points of major damage without even entering the yard. And then there's the yard to fix the DDs, and he only has to expand it a few points to fix the CAs. I'd only do this if major damage were under 10 or so, or really under 7-8, but that's a pretty reasonable damage result for bombs that bounced off of armor. It starts as a 5(4). Allies can't expand yards, Japan-Boi. [:)] But MrKane can expand it while it's in his hands... I would do so by a couple of points if it meant I could repair a couple of ships right there, triage-style.

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (9/8/2014 11:58:24 PM)
Diabolical. I have to learn how to play Japan. I did a test on Singers. How do you get it to expand a point at a time? It wanted to jump by 50 a push I think. I tried Soerbaja and it was less per push, maybe 10?

Lokasenna -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (9/9/2014 12:03:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 Diabolical. I have to learn how to play Japan. I did a test on Singers. How do you get it to expand a point at a time? It wanted to jump by 50 a push I think. I tried Soerbaja and it was less per push, maybe 10? You have to go into the 'J' hotkey screen. The Allies have that screen too, but I can see why you'd never want to open it. It's where I do ALL of my industry management.

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (9/9/2014 1:10:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 Diabolical. I have to learn how to play Japan. I did a test on Singers. How do you get it to expand a point at a time? It wanted to jump by 50 a push I think. I tried Soerbaja and it was less per push, maybe 10? You have to go into the 'J' hotkey screen. The Allies have that screen too, but I can see why you'd never want to open it. It's where I do ALL of my industry management. Huh. Never seen that so far as I can recall. I'll take a look.

BBfanboy -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (9/9/2014 2:33:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna From 10,000 with thunderstorms? 10% sounds good to me. Not complaining but in my experience port attacks for some reason are conducted by laser guided bombs. 30% hit rate wouldn´t have surprised me one bit! [:)] Not laser guided bombs, just static ships, or as we like to call them, sitting ducks! [sm=fighting0083.gif] EDIT: PS - look at the bombing accuracy for your level bombers you used. Then look at the bombing accuracy for a dive bomber squadron ...

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (9/9/2014 4:45:12 AM)
Indian Ocean venture ______________________________________________________________________________ I´ve seen via SIGINT that Tom has reinforced the area heavily. It actually started almost simultaneously with the planned relocation to IO. There are now significant number of Japanese troops in the area. Besides the listed divisions there are numerous AA and construction units backed up by air and army HQs. This of course have a major impact on Allied operations in the theater. More on that in a post later today. [image]local://upfiles/32406/D4E27A340D8B45189AA3F356076AB10F.jpg[/image]

Sangeli -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (9/9/2014 6:11:00 AM)
Well I'm guessing offensive operations are off in Sumatra. But those reinforcements should prove useful in countering a Japanese attack.

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (9/9/2014 6:14:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sangeli Well I'm guessing offensive operations are off in Sumatra. But those reinforcements should prove useful in countering a Japanese attack. Yes, obviously that OP is cancelled. [:D] But I see a bunch of other potential targets. Burma for instance is still lightly held and a big allied push here might not push Tom out but cause him a lot of headaches. Don´t want to bog down the armor in the jungles though.

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