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Aurelian -> RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? (10/18/2014 1:11:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: heliodorus04

Hey, did anyone fix the units that surrendered at Stalingrad from exiting the game for the West Front with their vehicles, manpower, and irreplaceable counter, despite the fact that the game already accounts for production/manpower allocated to the other theaters of conflict?

I thought not...
Hey Mr. Billings, still not reading me?

Yeah. Still not buying War in the West, because I learned from War in the East.

Sincere thanks to Morvael and the testers.


Why fix what isn't a problem? You do know that after rebuilding they went west, right? Someone was going west, and as you're not OKW, the choice is not yours.



misesfan -> RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? (10/18/2014 3:57:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aurelian


quote:

ORIGINAL: heliodorus04

Hey, did anyone fix the units that surrendered at Stalingrad from exiting the game for the West Front with their vehicles, manpower, and irreplaceable counter, despite the fact that the game already accounts for production/manpower allocated to the other theaters of conflict?

I thought not...
Hey Mr. Billings, still not reading me?

Yeah. Still not buying War in the West, because I learned from War in the East.

Sincere thanks to Morvael and the testers.


Why fix what isn't a problem? You do know that after rebuilding they went west, right? Someone was going west, and as you're not OKW, the choice is not yours.


Aurelian - you know that Helio is bringing up the point that he has made much earlier on these boards. That is, 1) Manpower/vehicles/production is lost automatically in 1943 due to additional fronts opening up - see rule 21.4 (Production to other fronts) AND 2) The OB is similarly affected (press i in game to see the withdrawal schedule) AND 3) These formations are withdrawn at their current level of strength, although they were severely mauled historically at Stalingrad.

These units were not 'rebuilt' in the east, they were withdrawn to the west in order to be re-constituted. So not only do you have several large formations withdrawing from the OOB but you have a production hit as well. Double-dipping if you will.

Further, I remember this conversation proceeding into the morale hit during 1943, even if large German formations are not destroyed. One may be able to justify the production decision, but the morale decision seems capricious at best - at least to me.




BleedingOrange -> RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? (10/18/2014 3:57:32 AM)

The German player is penalized by taking that division because of something that hasn't happened in the current game. They not only pull the division, but fill it out with equipment from your pools before it goes. If the division isn't destroyed they would still have the equipment and men to form the unit that was historically sent West. It would just have a different designation. If the historical unit is sent West, the unit that wasn't destroyed should stay East.



Denniss -> RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? (10/18/2014 5:39:03 PM)

Don't forget the units that were historically destroyed during Operation Bagration etc and their setup as withdrawing from the east due to the rebuilt unit being used in the west.
Morvael is still looking for an option to trigger a unit disband instead of a withdrawal but it doesn't seem to be easily done.

At least Germany won't lose the two mot divs that withdrew and came back as inf divs (AFAIR one even became a PzG div) but now properly transform to inf divs (lost a lot of tanks and a hell lot of vehicles from this). On the other hand they will lose a Luftflotte and Fliegerkorps HQ that historically went to Italy/Africa.



Naughteous Maximus -> RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? (10/18/2014 11:21:42 PM)

There is an editor. I use it all the time to modify events, equipment, add leaders. I've got a (R.O.A) army commanded by Vlasov, that forms late in the war and is actively engaged on the eastern front. I've also added vehicles in the game that were still in development when the war ended. I've created the entire Bulgarian army, OOB, and leaders. Just waiting for them to unlock the Balkans.



GamesaurusRex -> RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? (10/19/2014 11:55:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: charlie0311

translation, 2x3 has WITW almost ready and when that's finished they will get around to the .08 patch when they feel like it.

Evidence in "two weeks" everything but marketing will be done on WITW then one month of hype, the proof is the use of the words marketing schedules.

maybe somebody could tell me why the same guys who sold us the wite fiasco will do any different with witw.

Ps one can play wite with necessary work arounds, i do, still not a decent product


This is not at all a fair assessment of WITE. It is an exceptionally complex game program, and like all complex programs, has had it's share of issues with balancing and other assorted bugs. However, I have been very pleased with the 2x3/Matrix efforts to correct these issues as they have been discovered and find WITE to be an excellent game.

The basic functionality of the program is generally free of bugs and has worked for me without incident. The game design is well thought out and is manageable to play, despite it's massive scale. There are, to be sure, remaining balancing adjustments that the players must make themselves, but these adjustments are unique to each player's tastes and can now be easily made via the newly added initial settings funtionality in the recent 1.08 patch. In my opinion, the game is an entertaining exercise in gaming the East Front Theater.

As for WITW, I am sure it is an evolutionary improvement from lessons learned in WITE. Given the history of the 2x3/Matrix efforts to continue to refine WITE after it's initial release, I have no doubt they will support WITW in similar fashion. I highly recommend WITE to anyone interested in the East Front Theater.



cmunson -> RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? (10/20/2014 12:56:07 AM)

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I highly recommend WITE to anyone interested in the East Front Theater.


Indeed, any perceived balance issues are easily corrected. You can up German morale any time you want if you feel it is too low. You can use the editor to modify withdraw dates.

Most of all you can ask to be a beta tester for WitE 2.0 and see your input put into the game.



SuluSea -> RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? (10/24/2014 2:33:30 PM)

Check every day for the .08 patch to no avail.

Feeling like a kid in the back of a car saying are we there yet?


Thanks again for all your hard work Morvael!!!



Commanderski -> RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? (10/24/2014 2:38:45 PM)

I know what you mean... [:)]



morvael -> RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? (10/24/2014 3:37:16 PM)

Final .exe has been compiled and all the files were handed by 2by3 to Matrix. So they are in the last stage of the pipeline.



heliodorus04 -> RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? (10/24/2014 3:59:52 PM)

"Christmas is tomorrow" is no consolation to the 5 year old in me [:@]



RedBunny -> RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? (10/24/2014 5:26:35 PM)

Morvael, are you able to comment on the development tools in use for this project -- language(s) used, IDE, source control, etc?



SuluSea -> RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? (10/29/2014 9:22:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: morvael

The patch is ready and it's now in the hands of 2by3 and Matrix. I just got an email from
Joel, where he says they hope to launch it in the next 2 weeks. [:)]


I understand they're busy but was hoping they'd have the patch hopeful "launch" in the two weeks.

Hopefully by the end of three.

I'm starting to be inclined to agree with the peeps about marketing purposes.
It's smart business to get the name out there for future customers and that's okay.

I'd hope thoughts are also with the loyal customers....

With that said I thank not only Morveal, but Joel and the rest of the team once again.[:)]




morvael -> RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? (10/31/2014 4:56:33 AM)

We got the installer yesterday and we're testing it. There was a problem with German version installer, caused by yours truly forgetting to add separate German scenario descriptions prepared by Denniss.



morvael -> RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? (10/31/2014 5:01:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RedBunny

Morvael, are you able to comment on the development tools in use for this project -- language(s) used, IDE, source control, etc?


I think the first two can be discovered by looking at the strings inside the .exe. 4th popular language, 2nd popular source control.



tancred41 -> RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? (10/31/2014 8:45:43 PM)

Are you using an Agile methodology ?



jzardos -> RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? (11/1/2014 5:07:03 PM)

Ok, back to the purpose of the thread please.

When can we expect 1.08 to be a member download or available to public? I'm with waiting with excitement to start a campaign game after taking a break from WitE for many years.

thanks


on the side
Did he just ask if morvael was using ' Agile methodology'? Lol, does he even understand how many different 'flavors' of agile methodology exist? There is no silver bullet for the 'best' software development path / strategy. Way too many other factors that have to be considered. In that respect it's, IMO, a silly question and has no place on this thread.



Denniss -> RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? (11/1/2014 5:24:58 PM)

Matrixgames needs to build a new installer to ensure it works properly for the german version. No ETA at the moment but I really hope it happens within the next week.



RedBunny -> RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? (11/3/2014 5:53:31 AM)

I'm headed out for a long weekend starting on the 7th. Would be nice to be able to play an updated WITE in the hotel room after familial obligations are met and while the wife shops and stuff.

Just saying.



HappyHedonist -> RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? (11/3/2014 1:37:09 PM)

I too am stuck in a hotel room all week. I'd love to come home from my treatments and play some updated WITE!

[;)]



Erik Rutins -> RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? (11/3/2014 4:40:15 PM)

Hi everyone,

With the final push for WITW and our Q4 release schedule, we're fitting in updates as we can. This will be out to you all as soon as we have a finished, tested and approved installer and an update release slot in our schedule.

This will be releasing well before WITW.

Regards,

- Erik



cato12 -> RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? (11/3/2014 7:08:48 PM)

cheers for the heads up! [:)]



PS Pita -> RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? (11/4/2014 12:37:42 AM)

"This will be releasing well before WITW."

Sounds like it will be at least another three weeks (again) before the installer is "tested" and the "slot" scheduled( this is up to the sales department?)is made available for the release of of...the patch.

yeah, good news, cheers [:@]



RedLancer -> RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? (11/4/2014 8:03:08 AM)

Last night I completed uninstalled WitE and then re-installed from the very first release (including the expansion packs) to test the new installer: all within 30 mins of being notified that the updated v1.08beta.exe was available. And yes I am heavily involved working on WitW. I'm not even on an unlimited download package so getting the same software for the third time may cost me.

If it wasn't for the vast majority of supportive people who make it worthwhile PS Pita's comments may have made me wonder why I bother. Give us a break !



Commanderski -> RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? (11/4/2014 12:16:19 PM)

I think the vast majority of us really appreciate and understand what you are doing for us. This coming update wouldn't happen if it wasn't for the dedication of a few probably unpaid volunteers. The patch won't generate any money for the company so we should understand that you will release it when your schedule permits.

It's far better to release it after everything's been tested because those who complain it's taking too long are the first to complain that it hasn't been tested when things go wrong.

Thanks again for all your efforts. [&o][&o][&o]



Erik Rutins -> RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? (11/4/2014 3:50:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PS Pita
Sounds like it will be at least another three weeks (again) before the installer is "tested" and the "slot" scheduled( this is up to the sales department?)is made available for the release of of...the patch.


Nope, I said nothing like that. It's clear to me though that it will be much sooner than you expect! [8D]



Denniss -> RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? (11/4/2014 4:48:35 PM)

Patience.
The game was released in two languages and the installer should also work with those two languages.



PS Pita -> RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? (11/4/2014 9:54:14 PM)

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It's far better to release it after everything's been tested because those who complain it's taking too long are the first to complain that it hasn't been tested when things go wrong.


So True. And this may happen no matter how much work is done, even if it comes out perfect. Such is the business of digital gaming and software.

And WITW being released this year is just as important. But the patch is all done and just needs the installer to work, but why... oh never mind. Whatever whenever.



PS Pita -> RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? (11/4/2014 10:00:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Denniss

Patience.
The game was released in two languages and the installer should also work with those two languages.



Maybe I should just learn some German before it is released. That way the wait will be more worthwhile.



JamesM -> RE: Any news on the 1.08 patch? (11/5/2014 3:52:53 AM)

I admit that I am hanging out for this patch before I start a new game. However, Matrixgames have always given fantastic support for their games and if we had to wait a little longer to get the patch well and good so please do not badger them.



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