RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms

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ny59giants -> RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms (9/6/2014 2:00:50 PM)
quote: quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Have you flown troops into Ankang? Once bitten, twice shy. [:)] I used 'developers' prerogative and moved one Corp from Chengtu to Ankang when I did some things in China. [;)]

ny59giants -> RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms (9/6/2014 3:19:11 PM)
Date: 41 Dec 19th - KB3 off Boela and another TF or two in general area. Singapore - sweeps...sweeps... Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; () = destroyed aircraft; If odds are italics, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons); FG fighter group = 25 fighter planes if American Landings:* CVs: KB1 & 2 - MIA day 4, probably left Truk, but going to .... [&:] KB3 - at 81, 108 (2 NE Boela) - reach out to sink a PC and AVP trying to escape from Ternate with 14 Zero & 11 Vals 4 east of Kendari KB4 - MIA day 5 CVEs - MIA day 6 Subs: I-123 is between Borneo and Celebes and sinks a small damaged TK with single TT hit. India/Burma: Victoria Point - 36 Lily and 16 sally soften up the small BF before part of Thai division takes the bases easily. Moulmein - Pegu - No attacks here as my LRCAP 'may' have scared away his bombers. China: Nanyang - 2 SW of base with 14 Nate & 6 Ann Hwainan - Malaya: - Singapore - 23 Sally at night. sweeps by 18 Zero, 12 Tojo, 24 Oscars, and another 26 Oscars. Temuloh - Philippines: [>:] Manila - Clark - SRA: Force Z, CVL Charlotte, and American CA/CLs are ordered back to Balikpapan to top of fuel. Then, they will head south as KB3 and another TF are off Boela and at Sorong. New Guinea/Solomons: Three small TFs are off to north through NE waiting for... OR as bait! Central Pacific: Nauru - South Pacific: Mini Allied "Death Star" is at Townsville. I will be here for few days to totally refuel. One of my small SBD groups (from CVL) are headed to southern bases to allow upgrade from -1 to -2 versions. North Pacific: CV Saratoga TF is ordered to move to 2 due east of Attu. I hope to keep her here and hit a convoy before heading to Pearl to meet Yorktown in early January. CL Phoenix & Honolulu with 6 DDs are headed to be next door to Saratoga. Engineers: Intel: Notes/Plans: Pace is kind of slow to me. Does any viewers feel that way from the cheap seats?? [image]local://upfiles/15133/479F5C4F6ACC487D84FCA94D5C4AA8DE.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms (9/6/2014 3:49:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants I used 'developers' prerogative and moved one Corp from Chengtu to Ankang when I did some things in China. [;)] I wish you could have done that for me! [:D] Watching China with big interest. Will be very exciting to see if the changes in RA will make China a bit tougher on the Japanese. Cribtop will make no mistakes here I´m sure. I doubt he will repeat his failure to knock China out as he did against Cuttlefish. He seems very methodical and thorough. So he will have done his homework. Try to get some recon into China. Also consider moving out some of the reserves in the Changsha area to Chungking. That way you will save a month worth of travel time if he goes "all in" for a single sector like Tom did.

ny59giants -> RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms (9/6/2014 4:30:39 PM)
quote: Watching China with big interest. Will be very exciting to see if the changes in BTS/RA will make China a bit tougher on the Japanese. Cribtop will make no mistakes here I´m sure. I doubt he will repeat his failure to knock China out as he did against Cuttlefish. He seems very methodical and thorough. So he will have done his homework. Main changes in China were - forts at bases to 3 if they were lower; dot bases to 2; about 25 to 33% increase in devices to hopefully give the Chinese a little better defensive capabilities; decrease number of damaged industry at Changsha and Chungking to increase supply generation; daily supply at Chungking increased by 50 per day; and carry over from RA was increased garisson requirements for both sides. Hope these help.

topeverest -> RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms (9/6/2014 8:45:08 PM)
agree seems a bit slow, but then I don't know his objectives

John 3rd -> RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms (9/7/2014 12:36:30 AM)
IT is our desire to make China a TRUE sideshow that doesn't become the easy rollover that many Allied and Japanese Players have done.

topeverest -> RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms (9/7/2014 1:15:17 AM)
I think the apparent potential China solution is to take away all the VP's you can for conquering objectives and add garrison requirements for empire. I agree that empire auto victory should not be heavily influenced by China results or strategic bombing. Aside - I never have thought that strategic bombing should have any VP's associated with it on either side of the ball. You do it to reduce future capacity, but there isn't a game bonus to it. quote: ORIGINAL: John 3rd IT is our desire to make China a TRUE sideshow that doesn't become the easy rollover that many Allied and Japanese Players have done.

ny59giants -> RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms (9/7/2014 2:25:27 PM)
THANK YOU SULA SEA!! [&o][&o] for new signature [sm=00000436.gif]

BBfanboy -> RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms (9/7/2014 2:55:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants THANK YOU SULA SEA!! [&o][&o] for new signature [sm=00000436.gif] Great pic, but I find the word "bigger" a bit off-base. The Boise had essentially the same displacement and three more main guns, but fewer 5" guns. The real advantage of the Clevelands was better layout of the guns and excellent fire control, which Boise got in later upgrades. Perhaps the word "younger" or "newer" should be used here.

ny59giants -> RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms (9/7/2014 3:06:52 PM)
Date: 41 Dec 20th - KB3 off Ambon protecting transports Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; () = destroyed aircraft; If odds are italics, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons); FG fighter group = 25 fighter planes if American Landings:* CVs: KB1 & 2 - MIA day 5 KB3 - at 77, 112 (3 So Ambon) - 29 Zeros escort in 42 Kates to hit port. KB4 - MIA day 6 CVEs - MIA day 7 Subs: India/Burma: Moulmein - Pegu - China: Nanyang - Hwainan - 116th ID pushes a weak Chinese Corp further away. Malaya: - Singapore - Sweeps by 18 Zero, 12 Tojo, 24 Oscars. Temuloh - 15 Lily Philippines: [>:] Manila - Clark - Naga - 16th ID wipes out the small Philippine battalion outside base. SRA: Ambon - transports off shore, but don't unload today. New Guinea/Solomons: Three small TFs are off to north through NE waiting for... OR as bait! Still there. Central Pacific: Nauru - South Pacific: Vaitupe - (Ellice Island) 2x AVP moved in with a PBY group to add more naval search capabilities. North Pacific: CV Saratoga TF and 2 CL, 6 DD TF are now just east of Attu. Australia: Townsville - Mini Allied "Death Star" is refueling. One of my small SBD groups (from CVL) is moved to Brisbane to allow upgrade from -1 to -2 versions. Engineers: Intel: Notes/Plans: Allied "Death Star" will be at Townsville a few more days to complete refueling and add rookie pilots along with filling out air groups. San Diego - troops begin loading for Christmas Island. Should get there by early January. Hopefully, before Cribtop does. Small TKs (YO) - headed up western coast of USA for Prince Rupert. They will run fuel into Kodiak and eventually Dutch Harbor. [image]local://upfiles/15133/595563AB14F6453ABBA48A1AB90AFEF4.jpg[/image]

ny59giants -> RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms (9/7/2014 3:18:57 PM)
CL Boise Displacement: 12,207 tons (fully loaded) Length: 606 ft Speed: 32.5 knots Armament: 15 x Mk 16 6" guns (5x3) 8 x 5" (8x1) Cleveland Class CL Displacement: 14,131 tons Length: 600 ft Speed: 32.5 knots Armament: 12 x Mk 16 6" guns (4x3) 12 x 5" (6x2) So Cleveland's can be considered 'bigger' in size by a few tons. Boise had another turret of 6" guns so she could be 'bigger.' I've played around with my catch phrase and may change it later, but if you go over to Olorin's AAR about my other game, I thing he feels my Cleveland's are nasty enough to 'nuke' his AF at Sorong. [;)]

SuluSea -> RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms (9/7/2014 3:43:31 PM)
Happy to help. If you decide you need an adjustment PM me. Here's the other I put together if you decide you like this as an alternate. [image]http://i62.tinypic.com/dwalpl.jpg[/image] Best of luck in your game!! St Louis and Helena the only two members of the St. Louis Class were interesting. I believe the Japanese refered to them as machine gun cruisers for their rate of fire but that may have been the Brooklyn Class.

ny59giants -> RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms (9/7/2014 4:09:39 PM)
Date: 41 Dec 21st - KB3 remains off Ambon protecting transports. Phase 2 objectives may be coming as transports and KB4 are off northern coast of Borneo. Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; () = destroyed aircraft; If odds are italics, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons); FG fighter group = 25 fighter planes if American Landings:* Ambon with 1st Kure Assault Division & BF CVs: KB1 & 2 - MIA day 6 KB3 - at 77, 111 (3 SW Ambon) - 33 Zeros escort in 42 Kates to hit troops, but cause no casualties through the rain. KB4 - at 66,83 (3 NE of Miri) - 13 Zero fly over with 15 Kates to sink 3 HDMLs at Tarakan. CVEs - MIA day 8 Subs: India/Burma: Moulmein - Pegu - China: Nanyang - 1 LCU now at base Hwaiyan - Shock attack takes base by Route Brigade. Malaya: - Singapore - Sweeps by 18 Zero, 12 Tojo followed by 49 Oscars escorting in 20 Lily & 68 Sally. Forts had made 3 three days ago and may not go further. Almost all my planes have left a few days ago. Some are still at Sabang (air lifted part of Air HQ from Malaya over to Medan before RR up to base) and at Port Blair on way to Burma/India. Temuloh - Philippines: Manila - First day of attacks by LB - 12 Lily & 6 Sally. Despite this, forts go up to 3 and building is stopped. Clark - SRA: Ambon - CA Nachi is embedded in Amphib TF, but doesn't seem enough. 14 CD shells hit two transports at night. 24 Betty hit troops at dawn. 13 Zeros are on LRCAP from KB3 and easily down 1 of 2 Dutch fighters and 3 of 7 Hudsons. 2 more Hudsons are lost later. Two sinking sounds are heard later in the day, so maybe.....[;)] Undamaged air groups leave. New Guinea/Solomons: Central Pacific: South Pacific: North Pacific: CV Saratoga TF and 2 CL, 6 DD TF are now just east of Attu. Australia: Townsville - Mini Allied "Death Star" has completed refueling. One of my small SBD groups (from CVL) has moved back from Brisbane, but I need the other 5 airframes to use RR to get back to base so I can reload them. Engineers: Intel: Notes/Plans: Naval Search - I don't use my valuable PBYs and Catalina in any Naval Attack as I feel they are more valuable keeping track of Japan's moves. Right now I have some at Dutch Harbor, Kodiak, Midway, Pearl, Johnson, Christmas, Canton, Vaitupe, Rabaul, Cairns (BF and some troops just left Port Moresby for OZ), Horn Island, Kendari, and Singkawang. Once Ambon falls, I will have a gap in eastern SRA and another in lower Solomons. I'll move the PBYs that were at Port Moresby, but are now back at Cairns to Darwin to close that gap. I need to get some AVPs or a AV with 2 DDs at Luganville. Christmas Island troops leave San Diego. ETA is 12 days. Reports show they were spotted by Glen. Fuel - 13 x 14 knot TKs with 3 escorts leaving LA with 141k worth of fuel for NZ. I tend to use San Fran for troops and supply and LA for fuel. ASW groups - I am training up the small 5 plane bomber groups that will withdraw in June/July '42 along with the FPs taken off the damaged BBs. I just got my fourth 18 plane Kingfisher FP group at LA. Only one has rested to get Morale to 99 and start ASW training. Some of the others will follow. In RA/BTS, I allow these 4 groups to upgrade to SBD-3 and beyond. I have 4 of 7 Wirraway groups doing so in Australia. Plans here are to upgrade some of these to the LR Hudsons later. To my reader - anything on PBY/Catalina placement or usage you would do differently?? What about ASW training?? I have one of my PBY-5A in USA doing this also. [image]local://upfiles/15133/0C5F62C51C554261A71E0B21A5069A89.jpg[/image]

BBfanboy -> RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms (9/7/2014 6:45:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants CL Boise Displacement: 12,207 tons (fully loaded) Length: 606 ft Speed: 32.5 knots Armament: 15 x Mk 16 6" guns (5x3) 8 x 5" (8x1) Cleveland Class CL Displacement: 14,131 tons Length: 600 ft Speed: 32.5 knots Armament: 12 x Mk 16 6" guns (4x3) 12 x 5" (6x2) So Cleveland's can be considered 'bigger' in size by a few tons. Boise had another turret of 6" guns so she could be 'bigger.' I've played around with my catch phrase and may change it later, but if you go over to Olorin's AAR about my other game, I thing he feels my Cleveland's are nasty enough to 'nuke' his AF at Sorong. [;)] Yeah, I usually look at standard displacement because so much of the full load is fuel and ammo for all those AA guns, not to mention all the crew needed to fire them. No arguments at all about the NASTY part of the description! [:D] Sulu Sea - very nice artwork on both versions! About the Brooklyn class vs Helena/St. Louis - the latter two were considered Brooklyn class with some minor differences that made them a sub-group. All of the Brooklyns and the Clevelands had the same rate of fire that kept a constant stream of shells heading for the enemy. I saw a video of one of these cruisers firing and the rate of fire for the main guns was every five seconds![X(] Nashville (AFAIK) was the only cruiser to decide a land battle directly when it shelled a Panzer division which was counterattacking the Salerno landings and was about to overrun the allied troops. Nashville's fire flipped Tiger tanks and wiped out most of the supporting infantry and half-tracks. No wonder the Germans selected these cruisers for the first few targets of their radio controlled glider bombs.!

ny59giants -> RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms (9/9/2014 1:43:12 PM)
Date: 41 Dec 22nd - KB3 remains off Ambon protecting transports. Multiple landings in northern Borneo. Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; () = destroyed aircraft; If odds are italics, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons); FG fighter group = 25 fighter planes if American Landings:* Kudat & Brunei (Fast Transport) CVs: KB1 & 2 - MIA day 7 [&:][&:] KB3 - at 73, 109 (3 W Ambon) - KB4 - at 65,85 (2 No of Brunei) - CVEs - MIA day 9 Subs: I-5 sinks a YO 1 hex due west of San Fran India/Burma: Moulmein - Pegu - China: Nanyang - 1 LCU was at base, now moved out to east Wuchow - 12 Nates with 21 Ida & 16 Sonia. Malaya: - Singapore - Sweeps by 18 Zero, 12 Tojo followed by 39 Oscars escorting in 16 Lily & 86 Sally. Temuloh - Philippines: Manila - Clark - SRA: Ambon - 23 Betty hit troops. 40 Zeros & 42 Kates hit troops from KB3. A deliberate attack of 75:49 brings forts down to 0. New Guinea/Solomons: Central Pacific: South Pacific: North Pacific: CV Saratoga TF ordered back towards Dutch Harbor. She will then swing south and head for Pearl. Yorktown and CVL King's Mtn come in at San Diego end of month and then head for Pearl. Australia: Townsville - Mini Allied "Death Star" ordered north to head for Horn Island. Hopefully, i can stay close to northern coast of Australia and make it over to Broome/Port Hedland area unseen. Engineers: Aukland - P6 Intel: Imp Gds ID at 1 west of Chaing Mai - looks like this will be a primary LCU pushing into Burma. 2/2 ID to Singora - prepping for Singapore Notes/Plans: Luzon - Cribtop is taking a slow approach here. Very little air attacks and seemingly a slow advance from both ends (See screen shot). [image]local://upfiles/15133/6BDE8EC9237C41678158A2F1636726C2.jpg[/image]

ny59giants -> RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms (9/9/2014 2:04:25 PM)
Date: 41 Dec 23rd - KB3 remains off Ambon protecting transports. Enemy air force takes a day off. Must be part of their union rules. [:D] Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; () = destroyed aircraft; If odds are italics, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons); FG fighter group = 25 fighter planes if American Landings:* CVs: KB1 & 2 - MIA day 8 [&:][&:] KB3 - at 78, 111 (3 ESE Ambon) - 15 Zeros escort in 11 Vals to sink fleeing AVP from Ambon KB4 - at 59,85 (3 NE of Kuching) - CVEs - MIA day 10 Subs: I-8 is 1 NW of Christmas Island and sinks one of two xAKLs bring supplies to allow fort building to steadily continue while huge TF heads this way. India/Burma: Moulmein - Pegu - China: Nanyang - Wuchow - Chuhsien - empty base falls & Kweiteh also as an Ind Bde came in to help. Malaya: - Singapore - Temuloh - Philippines: Manila - Clark - SRA: Ambon - still holding !! A failed attack of 68:82 keeps the base in Allied hands for another day. Brunei - 45:5 capture base. One of two RN BFs is destroyed and bought back immediately. New Guinea/Solomons: Still quiet in this area. Why?? Central Pacific: South Pacific: North Pacific: Australia: Cooktown - Mini Allied "Death Star" just off shore as it heads for Horn Island and beyond. Engineers: Brisbane - AF5; Melbourne - F3; Townsville - F3; Rabaul - F2; Balikpapan - F2; Intel: Notes/Plans: Canton Island - 320 mines from 8 fast DM laid at base. NW Borneo seems to be next with KB4 hovering off shore. See screen shot. [image]local://upfiles/15133/0B28C3E6ABE54236A6A2268534FD7769.jpg[/image]

traskott -> RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms (9/9/2014 3:01:08 PM)
Suscribed. Good luck !!!

ny59giants -> RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms (9/13/2014 12:04:20 PM)
Date: 41 Dec 24th - Middle Malaya lost Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; () = destroyed aircraft; If odds are italics, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons); FG fighter group = 25 fighter planes if American Landings:* Kuching & Makin CVs: KB1 & 2 - MIA day 9 [&:][&:] KB3 - at 81, 108 (2 SW Sorong) KB4 - at 60,86 (3 NE of Kuching) CVEs - MIA day 11 Allied Mini-Death Star - 2 ESE of Horn Island (still unspotted) Subs: I-154 is 4 east of Soerabaja = xAK TT x1 (sinks next day) India/Burma: Moulmein - Pegu - stack of 10 LCUs including Imp Gds ID still 2 hexes due east China: Nanyang - a big Chinese Corp is hit by 6 Ann SE of base Wuchow - Malaya: - Singapore - in total, 41 Oscars with 14 Lily & 63 Sally Temuloh - 12 Lily before base is captured quote: Ground combat at Temuloh (50,78) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 52548 troops, 481 guns, 330 vehicles, Assault Value = 1665 Defending force 3598 troops, 7 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 77 Japanese adjusted assault: 1521 Allied adjusted defense: 7 Japanese assault odds: 217 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Temuloh !!! Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 231 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 9 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled) Allied ground losses: 2735 casualties reported Squads: 138 destroyed, 8 disabled Non Combat: 136 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 7 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled) Units retreated 2 Units destroyed 3 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 15th Ind Engineer Regiment 22nd Recon Regiment 1st Tank Regiment 41st Infantry Regiment 5th Division 21st Division 4th Ind Engineer Regiment 23rd Ind Engineer Regiment 4th Division 114th Infantry Regiment 6th Tank Regiment 54th Const Co 25th Army 18th Mountain Gun Regiment 53rd Const Co 3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment 18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 55th Const Co Defending units: FMSV Brigade 1st Hyderabad Battalion 8th Indian Brigade 1st ISF Base Force 22nd Indian Brigade Cribtop is taking a different approach for capturing the peninsula. See screen shot. Philippines: Manila - Clark - Cagayan - 20 Nells at night SRA: Ambon - another day of rest for troops. Probably will not last much longer. New Guinea/Solomons: three TFs remain between Truk and Rabaul not going anywhere Central Pacific: Makin - 51st Nav Gds capture empty base. South Pacific: North Pacific: Australia: Engineers: Seattle - P7; Sydney - P9; Chungking AF5; Hobart - F3 Intel: Notes/Plans: KB3 - with the third part of KB now headed east from Ambon area, does Cribtop have big plans in Central and South Pacific while I move to interfere with the capture of SRA. Singapore - I have 873 AV behind level 3 forts. Not enough, but hopefully a large enough speed bump. [image]local://upfiles/15133/21E372FFFD0C4977ACE7E1FEF0854736.jpg[/image]

ny59giants -> RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms (9/13/2014 1:02:10 PM)
Date: 41 Dec 25th - Merry 'virtual' Christmas Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; () = destroyed aircraft; If odds are italics, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons); FG fighter group = 25 fighter planes if American Landings:* Amchitka (elements of 2nd China Assault Div); Attu; Sambras; Tarawa CVs: KB1 & 2 - MIA day 10 [&:][&:] KB3 - at 84, 107 (2 East Sorong) KB4 - at 60,87 (3 East of Kuching) CVEs - MIA day 12 Allied Mini-Death Star - 10 ESE of Darwin (still unspotted) Subs: Thresher is hit trying to interfere with Fast Transport invasion at Attu. Pollack is slightly damaged by another Fast Transport invasion at Amchitka. India/Burma: Moulmein - Pegu - China: Nanyang - 9 Ann & 6 Sonia hit the retreating Corp SE of base. Wuchow - Malaya: - Singapore - Only sweeps by 12 Tojo & 18 Oscars Kuala Lumpur - 18 Lily Philippines: Manila - 20 Oscars sweep the empty skies before 15 Lily & 13 Sally hit AF. Clark - Cagayan - Borneo: Kuching - 38 Zero & 35 Kates from KB4 attack troops. Bases falls with 51:9 odds. SRA: Ambon - 25 Betty soften up the troops. 41 Zero & 41 Kates from KB3 hit troops. quote: Ground combat at Ambon (76,109) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 7110 troops, 106 guns, 12 vehicles, Assault Value = 194 Defending force 2673 troops, 49 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 34 Japanese adjusted assault: 82 Allied adjusted defense: 16 Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Ambon !!! Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), fatigue(-) morale(-), experience(-) Attacker: fatigue(-) Japanese ground losses: 71 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Allied ground losses: 3261 casualties reported Squads: 60 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 175 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 55 (55 destroyed, 0 disabled) Vehicles lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units destroyed 5 Assaulting units: 1st Kure Assault Division 3rd JNAF AF Unit Defending units: Molukken KNIL Cdo Molukken Mil'ie Cdo Amboina Defenses Laha ML Base Force AP-VLG-IV Sup Afd New Guinea/Solomons: three TFs remain between Truk and Rabaul not going anywhere Central Pacific: Tarawa - 53rd Nav Gds take empty base. South Pacific: North Pacific: Australia: Engineers: Wellington AF4; Intel: Notes/Plans: Central China - Looks like this is main effort by Cribtop. I've been able to retreat in good order and 'hopefully' can get a few levels of forts built. See Screen shot. Lesson learned !! - I had sent Saratoga TF to Aleutians to intervene at wars beginning. Then, I sent 2 CL with 6 DD from Pearl as soon as KB left. I had ordered Sara to head back towards Pearl three days ago. To compound this error, I had my SC TF stay between Attu and Amchitka. Thus, Cribtop was able to drop off troops at both bases and avoid any consequences. [:(] [:@] I should have left Sara there and placed my SC TF at one of the bases rather than try to react to enemy moves. Now, my SC TF will head back to Kodiak to refuel and then go to Umnak and stay there!! [image]local://upfiles/15133/C148BB1320E943AE98905717152B18ED.jpg[/image]

ny59giants -> RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms (9/13/2014 1:34:15 PM)
Date: 41 Dec 26th - KB1, 2, & 3 now MIA!! [X(] Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; () = destroyed aircraft; If odds are italics, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons); FG fighter group = 25 fighter planes if American Landings:* Tabiteuea CVs: KB1 & 2 - MIA day 11 [&:][&:] KB3 - MIA day 1 KB4 - at 60,87 (3 East of Kuching) CVEs - MIA day 13 Allied Mini-Death Star - arrives at Darwin and refuels (still unspotted) Subs: S-35 puts 2 TT hits on CM Tokiwa, but she doesn't sink immediately. Later in the day, another 2 TT hits does the trick. [:D] S-34 is hit by DDs at Tabiteuea India/Burma: Moulmein - Pegu - China: Nanyang - Wuchow - Chengchow - the first series of ground bb attacks begin with two division and two ind mixed bde present. Pucheng - empty base is captured by armored car company. [:D] Malaya: - Singapore - 42 Oscars with 12 Lily & 44 Sally. 18 Zero and 18 Betty go after the minesweepers without success. Kuala Lumpur - Philippines: Manila - 24 Oscars sweep before 36 Nates escort in 11 Lily & 7 Sally Clark - Cagayan - Atimonan - empty base captured by 16th ID Borneo: Sambas - empty base falls SRA: New Guinea/Solomons: three TFs remain between Truk and Rabaul not going anywhere Central Pacific: Canton - TF with 53rd (Sep) Inf Rgt is 52 hexes away (7 or 8 days) Tabiteuea - 61st Nav Gds take base South Pacific: North Pacific: Attu & Amchitka change hands. Australia: Engineers: Pago Pago F3; Tacoma P6; Intel: Notes/Plans: Allied warships including the "Mini-Death Star" will hopefully met over at Port Hedland. CVL Hermes just arrived at Tjilatjap to refuel.

BBfanboy -> RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms (9/13/2014 4:00:39 PM)
Nice to see the CM Tokiwa go down. That one is quite big and can carry a big load as a fast transport.

topeverest -> RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms (9/14/2014 2:51:45 AM)
So the death star is an ambush for Borneo and / eastern DEI?

ny59giants -> RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms (9/14/2014 8:34:54 AM)
quote: So the death star is an ambush for Borneo and / eastern DEI? What "Death Star??" [sm=00000289.gif][sm=00000289.gif] TF 403: Scouting BC Ranger & Constellation, 8 DD TF 405: Lexington CV Lexington (27 Buf, 18 SBD-2, 18 SBD-3, 15 Dev, 18 F4F-3) CVL Jacksonville (12 Buff, 6 SBD-2) CVL Charlottle (12 Buff, 6 SBD-2) 4 CA, CL, 11 DD TF 406: Enterprise CV Enterprise (27 F4F-3A, 36 SBD-2, 15 Dev, 18 F4F-3) CVL Melbourne (9 Buff, 6 Sword) CVL Wellington (9 Buff, 6 Sword) 4 CA, CL, 10 DD TF 415: CL, 7 DD TF 420: Force Z BB Prince of Wales, BC Repulse, CL, 5 DD TF 437: CA, 2 CL, 7 DD TF 412: (Dutch) 3 CL, 7 DD Soerabaja: CA Chicago, CL Dallas (6 days until repairs completed), 4 DD Tjilatjap: CVL Hermes (12 Fulmar, 12 Sword), 2 CA, CL, 4 DD

topeverest -> RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms (9/14/2014 1:35:07 PM)
That is a very impressive early war sledgehammer. I eagerly await the results when you unleash it, specially since KB is being split. I'd even be comfortable with a CV exchange considering the force pools, but I think you will get the better of it. Your deployment suggests you are going to surface counterpulse on AP's at the same time as drawing out a favorable CV battle? Are you going to hide these puppies in nondescript small base(s) disbanded and wait - to make them harder to spot?

ny59giants -> RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms (9/21/2014 12:22:57 PM)
Date: 41 Dec 27th - Central China seems to be the main direction by Cribtop Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; () = destroyed aircraft; If odds are italics, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons); FG fighter group = 25 fighter planes if American Landings:* CVs: KB1 & 2 - MIA [&:][&:] KB3 - MIA KB4 - MIA CVEs - 4 WNW of Tabiteuea Allied Mini-Death Star - leaves Darwin and heads west before swinging north towards Subs: I-19 is 6 NE of Pearl and misses the empty supply TF that is set as a CS convoy to and from San Fran. India/Burma: Moulmein - Pegu - one hex due east is captured by elements of 55th ID in shock attack. My Burma battalion is wiped out. China: Nanyang - Wuchow - Chengchow - the lightly defended base falls easily. quote: Ground combat at Chengchow (88,44) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 36096 troops, 301 guns, 40 vehicles, Assault Value = 1457 Defending force 6104 troops, 43 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 125 Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2 Japanese adjusted assault: 253 Allied adjusted defense: 14 Japanese assault odds: 18 to 1 (fort level 2) Japanese forces CAPTURE Chengchow !!! Combat modifiers Defender: forts(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 146 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 19 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Allied ground losses: 4099 casualties reported Squads: 79 destroyed, 45 disabled Non Combat: 112 destroyed, 32 disabled Engineers: 10 destroyed, 2 disabled Guns lost 19 (8 destroyed, 11 disabled) Units retreated 2 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 41st Division 37th Division 35th Division 6th Ind.Mixed Brigade 3rd Ind.Mixed Brigade 12th Army 6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment Defending units: 40th Chinese Corps 24th Group Army Malaya: - Singapore - Kuala Lumpur - Philippines: Manila - Clark - Cagayan - Borneo: SRA: New Guinea/Solomons: Central Pacific: Canton - Christmas Island - Ocean Island - 10 Zeros escort in 11 Vals from the CVEs south of base. South Pacific: North Pacific: Australia: Engineers: Calcutta F3; Madras F3; Perth F3; Port Augusta P2; Intel: Notes/Plans: A quiet day for Allies.

ny59giants -> RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms (9/21/2014 12:41:41 PM)
Date: 41 Dec 28th - Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; () = destroyed aircraft; If odds are italics, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons); FG fighter group = 25 fighter planes if American Landings:* CVs: KB1 & 2 - MIA [&:][&:] KB3 - Babeldoab KB4 - MIA CVEs - 2 West of Tabiteuea Allied Mini-Death Star - left Darwin and heads west before swinging north towards Mataram (6 SE of Soerabaja). Plans are for ships to head for Balikpapan to suck up much of the 71k in fuel. Subs: I-25 is 7 NE of Pearl. One of my empty supply carrying transports is hit twice in two separate attacks. The second by I-19 (there are three I-boats here). I will need to adjust the waypoints for this CS convoy once she gets back to San Fran. I will eventually have two CS Convoys with different waypoints bring supplies to Pearl. I use the Transmarine Class transports for this with two or three escorts. Plunger sinks an xAKL at Adak with her deck guns. [:D] India/Burma: Moulmein - Pegu - China: Trail to Ankang - 24 Nates escort in 9 Ann & 7 Sonia to hit troops moving up from Ichang area trying to get into Wood/Rough hex just in from clear terrain. Nanyang - Wuchow - Loyang - ground bb attack by 36th ID Malaya: - Singapore - 26 Oscars sweep empty skies. Multiple strikes with 41 Oscars escorting in 13 Lily & 50 Sally. Kuala Lumpur - Georgetown - ground bb by 56th Inf Rgt Philippines: Manila - Clark - Cagayan - Borneo: SRA: New Guinea/Solomons: Central Pacific: Canton - Christmas Island - Ocean Island - South Pacific: North Pacific: Australia: Engineers: Intel: Notes/Plans: Only China seems to be busy.

ny59giants -> RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms (9/21/2014 1:10:24 PM)
Date: 41 Dec 29th - Cribtop forms his version of Panzer Corp in China at Nanyang. Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; () = destroyed aircraft; If odds are italics, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons); FG fighter group = 25 fighter planes if American Landings:* Ocean Island CVs: KB1 & 2 - MIA [&:][&:] KB3 - Babeldoab KB4 - MIA CVEs - 3 South Ocean Allied Mini-Death Star - South of Mataram (6 SE of Soerabaja). Subs: I-164 is 1 SW of Singapore. She sinks am xALK leaving Singapore for Palembang with part of a BF. I'm using three, now two, of these small xAKLs with small troop capacity and the Dutch transport planes to shift some Aviation Support from the empty Singapore AF to Palembang. O-19 gets two TT hits on xAK at Ambon, but doesn't hear any sinking sounds. India/Burma: Moulmein - Pegu - China: Trail to Ankang - 24 Nates escort in 9 Ann & 7 Sonia to hit troops moving up from Ichang area (2 hexes due north of that base) trying to get into Wood/Rough hex just in from clear terrain. Day 3 here. The Chinese Air Force from Changsha sends in 6 A-29s, 6 DB-3M, 5 SB-III to attack 13th Tk Rgt trying to get here. Nanyang - quote: Ground combat at Nanyang (85,45) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 46099 troops, 487 guns, 508 vehicles, Assault Value = 1928 Defending force 1214 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1 Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2 Japanese adjusted assault: 1311 Allied adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 1311 to 1 (fort level 2) Japanese forces CAPTURE Nanyang !!! Combat modifiers Defender: Attacker: Allied ground losses: 1517 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 106 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Units destroyed 1 Assaulting units: 110th Division 3rd Division 6th Division 3rd Tank Regiment 26th Division 5th Armored Car Co 5th Tank Regiment 10th Tank Regiment 23rd Tank Regiment 9th Tank Regiment 11th Tank Regiment 51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion 15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment 2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 11th Army 1st Mortar Battalion 52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion Defending units: 2nd Group Army Four ID and six tank seem to be part of the newly formed Panzer Corp. The question will be their next move. Will they head up the road to Sian or swing south and try the trail to Ankang?? Wuchow - Loyang - another ground bb attack Malaya: - Singapore - 26 Oscars sweep empty skies to be followed by 40 Oscars with 35 Sally Kuala Lumpur - Georgetown - 20 Sally and 29 Lily soften up the troops for assault. The base holds for another day from 26:10 attack. Philippines: Manila - 36 Oscars with 12 Sally & 15 Lily. Clark - Cagayan - Borneo: SRA: New Guinea/Solomons: Central Pacific: Canton - Christmas Island - Ocean Island - 12 Claudes, 7 Zero, 9 Kates, & 11 Vals from CVEs hit troops. 51st Nav Gd takes base. South Pacific: North Pacific: Australia: Engineers: Prince Rupert P4; Pingsiang F3; Toungoo F2; Intel: Notes/Plans: CV Yorktown & CVL King's Mountain arrive at San Diego. They will stay until after the New Year to allow air group re-sizing to occur. Screenshot - the situation in Central China shows possible avenues of approach by Cribtop. [image]local://upfiles/15133/6A1D511518BA4265BF566614B4D2E6B7.jpg[/image]

ny59giants -> RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms (9/21/2014 1:30:19 PM)
Date: 41 Dec 30th - Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; () = destroyed aircraft; If odds are italics, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons); FG fighter group = 25 fighter planes if American Landings:* CVs: KB1 & 2 - MIA [&:][&:] KB3 - Babeldoab KB4 - MIA CVEs - 4 South Ocean Allied Mini-Death Star - at Mataram (6 SE of Soerabaja). Ordered north to Balikpapan to refuel. Subs: India/Burma: Moulmein - Pegu - China: Trail to Ankang - 24 Nates escort in 9 Ann & 7 Sonia to hit troops moving up from Ichang area (2 hexes due north of that base) trying to get into Wood/Rough hex just in from clear terrain. Day 4 here. Wuchow - Loyang - Malaya: - Singapore - 29 Oscars sweep empty skies Kuala Lumpur - Georgetown - 21 Sally and 17 Lily soften up the troops for assault. The base falls easily 114:9 Philippines: Manila - Clark - Cagayan - Borneo: Jesselton - the RN BF is easily overwhelmed as base falls 8:3 SRA: Kendari - 40 & 4 Zeros sweep New Guinea/Solomons: Central Pacific: Canton - transports 26 hexes out (4 days) Christmas Island - transport 20 hexes out (3 days) Nauru - 6 Betty hit troops; 12 Claudes, 7 Zero, 9 Kate, 11 Val hit troops. South Pacific: North Pacific: Australia: Engineers: Ichang F3; Colombo F3; Townsville P4; Sian AF2 (important to be able to use as possible CAP/LRCAP later); Suva F3; Intel: Notes/Plans: CV Saratoga in one day out of Pearl.

topeverest -> RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms (9/21/2014 1:42:27 PM)
KB3 seems to be in the trap zone. Is it time? From the cheaps, it seems more and more like a China focused approach. Quick recoveries in DEI may the course of action with your CV power. He can't get to auto victory only in China, so he has to come out to play somewhere else.

ny59giants -> RE: NFC East Slapdown: NY59Giants (A) vs Cribtop (J) - Between the Storms (9/21/2014 2:18:16 PM)
Date: 41 Dec 31st - Key: TT = Torpedo; bb = ground bombardment; c = casualties; b = base hits; s = supply hits; r = runway hits; p = port hits; f = fuel hits; AV = Assault Value; DC = Depth Charged; () = destroyed aircraft; If odds are italics, they are the Allies; BG = Bomber Group of 48 planes (4 x 12 bomber squadrons); FG fighter group = 25 fighter planes if American Landings:* Nauru CVs: KB1 & 2 - MIA [&:][&:] KB3 - Babeldoab KB4 - MIA CVEs - 4 South Ocean Allied Mini-Death Star - one hex south of Balikpapan to refuel. The Dutch SC TF is further behind. Subs: I-165 sinks an AVP off Billiton trying to escape Singkawang. India/Burma: Moulmein - Pegu - China: Trail to Ankang - 7 Sonia hit troops 3 SE of base in Wood/Rough hex just in from clear terrain. In clear terrain, there are the six Japanese tank rgt. Meanwhile, 2nd Chinese Corp (271 AV) and 67 Corp (183 AV) will join the small Corp (82 AV) and 30th Corp (242 AV). Just behind is the 45th Corp (161 AV) as it needs to travel 6 miles. How well will my infantry do vs armor?? Wuchow - Loyang - Malaya: - Singapore - 4 Lily come in at night. Why do this when I offer no resistance during the day?? 40 Oscars escort in 33 Sally. Kuala Lumpur - Philippines: Manila - Clark - Lingayan - 7 Nate escort in 9 Sally & 18 Lily hitting the troops. Ground bb attack of 293:148 Borneo: Singkawang - ground bb attack of 46:7 Sumatra: Medan - 18 Lily hit the AF for first time. SRA: Kendari - New Guinea/Solomons: Central Pacific: Canton - transports 19 hexes out (3 days) Christmas Island - transport 12 hexes out (2 days) Nauru - 12 Claudes, 7 Zero, 9 Kate, 11 Val hit troops. 51st Nav Gd takes base. South Pacific: North Pacific: Australia: Engineers: Intel: Notes/Plans: Penrhyn - I just finished unloading an EAB and Port Maintenance Unit (second came a reinforcement). I also have an AS, AE, AR, 2 AV, PC, & DD based here. Plans are to build port up one level to 2 before working on AF 0(0) getting up to level one (111 engineers present). If the Allies keep the Line Islands, this base can be stop over to shuttle planes from Pearl over to Pago Pago and beyond. Enemy CVs - screen shot shows three separate CV/CVL/CVE type TFs. However, the number of planes in each TF is not great. I believe these are KB 1 & 2 along with CVEs and the numbers are wrong as the PBYs out of Ellice Islands have NavS skills of just 34. SC TF is 3 west of Babeldoab. It shows as just warships as it heads west. I will have my DS refueling at Balikpapan next turn. [sm=innocent0009.gif] [image]local://upfiles/15133/773866BCA2AD485FB1EC24314BDCC759.jpg[/image]

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