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Hyacinth -> Army/Corp orders of battle for the Axis side (9/1/2014 3:10:44 PM)

Anyone want to share their usual structures for Axis Armies and Corps? Also air force if you like.

I have been conducting war games playing around with different models, pun intended, I have been gravitating towards concentrating power and creating reserves from the start.
Also separating mobile formations from the infantry inside the same corps, inside the army still mixed thoughts.

I have no idea if my ideas would survive a battle against a human opponent so would like to discuss this topic with veterans.





swkuh -> RE: Army/Corp orders of battle for the Axis side (9/2/2014 1:45:29 PM)

Useful question, will appreciate seeing what solutions "veterans" offer.

My approach is to separate the mobile formations from the foot sloggers by corps and by army. Cavalry & the odd Panzer brigade fall outside this policy; they are used opportunistically. Do this mostly for ease of play, and, of course, can't keep infantry close to mobile units when fronts break. Once fronts solidify, this isn't needed, but by then, organization is complete.



morvael -> RE: Army/Corp orders of battle for the Axis side (9/2/2014 1:56:25 PM)

I also think it's better to split command of motorized and infantry/cavalry units (except lone tank brigades in Soviet armies), as during rapid movement one has trouble to keep both the slow and fast units in HQ range. Also, dedicated Panzer HQ units offer Admin bonus to leader rolls for Panzer units, so it's worth using this to the max. The only moment when mixing units would be a good solution is when you have a fort line to breach (to reduce command penalties by having all units under the same HQ).



Hyacinth -> RE: Army/Corp orders of battle for the Axis side (9/2/2014 2:15:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: morvael

I also think it's better to split command of motorized and infantry/cavalry units (except lone tank brigades in Soviet armies), as during rapid movement one has trouble to keep both the slow and fast units in HQ range. Also, dedicated Panzer HQ units offer Admin bonus to leader rolls for Panzer units, so it's worth using this to the max. The only moment when mixing units would be a good solution is when you have a fort line to breach (to reduce command penalties by having all units under the same HQ).


This is my main concern but would an elite infantry corp under a good leader with massive amounts of artillery work, naturally stacked with "regular" infantry formations in the line?



morvael -> RE: Army/Corp orders of battle for the Axis side (9/2/2014 2:31:17 PM)

In the new version (1.08) such units will be the best way to breach a fort line. My opinion: keep mobile separate from infantry and you will be good.



charlie0311 -> RE: Army/Corp orders of battle for the Axis side (9/2/2014 2:33:24 PM)

Hi all,

As axis player I have just recently concentrated all the divisions of 2 PZ,3 PZ, and 9 armies under the army HQ and all the support units. All army ldrs 8 initiative, about 15 combats in cold or blizzard conditions (march/Apr 42), and about 10/12 hexes west of Moscow. No command crossover penalty, BUT!! there is some penalty for assigning units to a HQ higher than "normal". Very disappointing results regarding the participation of support units, always less than half what has been available.



Hyacinth -> RE: Army/Corp orders of battle for the Axis side (9/2/2014 2:37:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: morvael

In the new version (1.08) such units will be the best way to breach a fort line. My opinion: keep mobile separate from infantry and you will be good.


Thanks, what about massing armored formations and going for bigger kills in longer intervals?

This will need infantry to keep more of the iniative and momentum, no idea if it is possible.



Hyacinth -> RE: Army/Corp orders of battle for the Axis side (9/2/2014 2:39:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: charlie0311

Hi all,

As axis player I have just recently concentrated all the divisions of 2 PZ,3 PZ, and 9 armies under the army HQ and all the support units. All army ldrs 8 initiative, about 15 combats in cold or blizzard conditions (march/Apr 42), and about 10/12 hexes west of Moscow. No command crossover penalty, BUT!! there is some penalty for assigning units to a HQ higher than "normal". Very disappointing results regarding the participation of support units, always less than half what has been available.


From the little I understand about the game mechanics this is to be expected, the optimal use of the support units has to be achieved, I am still learning how to do it.



morvael -> RE: Army/Corp orders of battle for the Axis side (9/2/2014 2:50:37 PM)

There's a limit of SU commited per HQ, thus less HQs = less SUs.



Hyacinth -> RE: Army/Corp orders of battle for the Axis side (9/2/2014 4:11:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: morvael

There's a limit of SU commited per HQ, thus less HQs = less SUs.


An ways to get the most out of them other than using the best iniative leaders?



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