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warspite1 -> RE: Scots Are they free (9/18/2014 7:32:43 PM)
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ORIGINAL: PipFromSlitherine
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ORIGINAL: loki100
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ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd
Warspite1 - you've thrown a rock right throw my window!
I was pretty sure I was going to be elated if it was a yes vote...but after reading your very heartfelt post, I am actually going to have very mixed feelings tomorrow. [&:]
If YES win, I'll be elated but I will genuinely feel for people like yourself who will have a feeling of losing something [&o]
If NO win, I'll be gutted it's the second time Scotland will have chucked this opportunity away - but I'll be happy for you, my mother (who also feels British) and others all over the country. [&o]
Whatever happens - I'm done. It'll happen or it won't and I'll be very confused tomorrow.
I kind of hope you get what you want...but not...that's how confused I am. [:'(]
Anyway - peace to you all. I hope whatever happens we all get on after [&o]
wonderful post and well said ...
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ORIGINAL: rogo727
There is a reason the Romans couldn't defeat Scotland. I didn't realize this before but the Scots are not a Germanic tribe like the English, like it really matter now but it helps me to understand the basic need for independence.
.... err Lowland Scots which is either a language in its own right, or a very strong dialect of English, and spoken (to a greater or lesser degree) across Lowland Scotland is actually grounded on medieval German (its actually what English would be if it hadn't absorbed so much French). Doric (Aberdeen) and the dialects of Orkney and Shetlands are actually close to Norwegian ...
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ORIGINAL: wodin
Funny thing is the Scottish get a better deal per head than the English..and if it's a no vote it will get even better.
well we do pay for it fully in taxes collected from Scotland, we contribute about 9.6% of the UK's GNP and about 9.3% of expenditure can be identified as being spent in Scotland. Check out the various GERS (Govt expenditure and revenue: Scotland) reports.
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ORIGINAL: Treale
I would have thought that the Scots were a conservative bunch?
In a way the reason for this referendum is that Scotland has ended up having more in common politically and socially with social democratic Scandinavia than with the parties that run the UK Govt.
Should add, esp in Scotland the concept of *liberal* in a party sense has 2 meanings. One group are more or less the normal right of centre economically, left of centre socially that are to be found across the UK. The other group have their roots in the presbytyrian non-comformism that is still quite powerful in places like the islands off the West Coast and some regions in the north. The two don't really have much in common but a series of mergers sort of ended up with them in the same party.
So among the strands of politics here is a socially very conservative, but on other ways quite radical tinge. Their motto is more or less 'I bow my knee to no man but god' ... when formulated in the seventeenth century that was the stuff of revolution (& enduring top of the line misogyny ... thank you John Knox for that part of Scotland's social legacy)
GERS is indeed pretty clear:
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In 2012-13, total Scottish non-North Sea public sector revenue was estimated at £47.6 billion, (8.2% of total UK non-North Sea revenue). Including a per capita share of North Sea revenue, total Scottish public sector revenue was estimated at £48.1 billion (8.2% of UK total public sector revenue). When an illustrative geographical share of North Sea revenue is included, total Scottish public sector revenue was estimated at £53.1 billion (9.1% of UK total public sector revenue).
In 2012-13, total public sector expenditure for the benefit of Scotland by the UK Government, Scottish Government and all other parts of the public sector, plus a per capita share of UK debt interest payments, was £65.2 billion. This is equivalent to 9.3% of total UK public sector expenditure.
So that even with the (heavily pro-Yes) geographical share of the oil money, 9.1% of revenue, but took 9.3% of expenditure. Otherwise 8.2% revenue, 9.3% expenditure.
http://scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2014/03/7888
So not sure where your figures are from, perhaps you can cite them.
Cheers
Pip
warspite1
It sounds like one of those measures you can calculate a million different ways. As I've said, I think we will only really know once the two separate countries announce their budgets and we see what becomes of the various promises made. Only one thing for certain, Salmond and Cameron can't both be right....
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