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Peltonx -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (3/17/2015 10:16:53 AM)
Turn 66 GHC Armaments: 150,000 Manpower in Pool: 195,000 VP:253 [image]local://upfiles/20387/E10365F9B2C341CFBB675CC3922B0495.jpg[/image]

Peltonx -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (3/17/2015 10:18:14 AM)
Turn 67 GHC Armaments: 152,000 Manpower in Pool: 194,000 VP:256 SHC OOB: 7.0 million and 1 Corp, 11 divisions and 2 brigades are in several small pockets. Stalingrad falls [image]local://upfiles/20387/31884F485DF34AC3925228A22FF79F02.jpg[/image]

Peltonx -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (3/17/2015 10:20:09 AM)
Basicly out flanking SHC strong defenses along the river. [image]local://upfiles/20387/768A7F8AF246454C9E170021461B95C2.jpg[/image]

Peltonx -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (3/17/2015 10:23:23 AM)
The last turn of summer sees another pocket formed and another VP cut off. The front will shorten for GHC during mud. The last few VP I can grab near Moscow or out here or at Buka. [image]local://upfiles/20387/E2E3B146BAF14D8ABC5503135622BF06.jpg[/image]

Peltonx -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (3/29/2015 3:47:03 PM)
Turn 74 GHC Armaments: 150,000 Manpower in Pool: 194,000 VP:257 SHC OOB: 7,250,000 GHC OOB: 3,900,000 Not much has changed over the last 5 turns other then SHC OOB has moved up about 200,000 men. German armaments and manpower has been static. AGA has moved several hexes closer to the last few VP's and have a possible large pocket in the making. On turn 78 the rivers and swamps should be frozen and should open up some different areas to attack into. [image]local://upfiles/20387/7670AA66DD014A05928E5068BDE45711.jpg[/image]

Peltonx -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (3/31/2015 12:12:27 PM)
Turn 78 GHC Armaments: 212,000 Manpower in Pool: 285,000 VP:256 SHC OOB: 7,330,000 GHC OOB: 3,967,000 One Corp and 11 divisions cut off and 1 VP. Dave is also making a push south of his rail line towards Stalingrad. [image]local://upfiles/20387/B0E36D2803684D70950E6823C91A8497.jpg[/image]

Peltonx -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (4/9/2015 4:19:51 PM)
Turn 79 GHC Armaments: 218,000 Manpower in Pool: 288,000 VP:258 SHC OOB: 7,170,000 -160,000 GHC OOB: 3,974,000 +10,000 [image]local://upfiles/20387/CE5ED524B2CE4114BEE31694EA932088.jpg[/image]

Wuffer -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (4/9/2015 8:34:32 PM)
that's a tight race. Chkalov is an interesting town.

Peltonx -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (4/9/2015 8:48:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wuffer that's a tight race. Chkalov is an interesting town. Game is dragging both sides are beat up and OOB's are growing so so slowly.

Peltonx -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 80 VP: 258 (4/11/2015 2:47:32 AM)
Turn 80 GHC Armaments: 212,000 Manpower in Pool: 273,000 VP:258 SHC OOB: 7,170,000 -15,000 GHC OOB: 3,992,000 +18,000 Turn 70 SHC OOB: 7,250,000 GHC OOB: 3,900,000 I think the most interesting thing is over the last 10 turns GHC OOB is up 92k and SHC down -80k and armaments and manpower pool is up for Germany. No pockets just strait up combat. I also see across the front SHC CV slowing going down even in units not in combat. I am guessing the losses of industry have crippled SHC industry. [image]local://upfiles/20387/D1B4AD11B6114108B8E5BA1D36EC1386.jpg[/image]

Peltonx -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 80 VP: 258 (4/16/2015 8:09:05 PM)
Turn 88 GHC Armaments: 210,000 Manpower in Pool: 177,000 VP:258 SHC OOB: 7,247,000 +74,000 GHC OOB: 4,226,000 +232,000 My manpower pool remains high and same for armaments + I have 4.2 million men crazy stuff. My OOB is growing faster then his, I believe because I control so many of his manpower centers. Last turn I went over to the defensive, I simply can't push to any citys and hes got more ants then I do. So I started to reorganize and will try and hold the lines for as long as possible, before trading space for time. North of the Oka no action at all, I have several lines of forts and my best infantry with most of the new units strengthening the lines. I am attacking any hexes I think I can win to try and keep his OOB as low as possible and grind some morale [image]local://upfiles/20387/FC0847483693465CB0F3F785D59327CE.jpg[/image]

Peltonx -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 88 VP: 258 (4/16/2015 8:10:01 PM)
In the south some fighting out by the romanians [image]local://upfiles/20387/DF7543E695CD45FC9D9EA453A060EBC9.jpg[/image]

Peltonx -> Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 90 VP: 258 (4/30/2015 5:06:21 PM)
Turn 90 Turns left: 112 with 30 being mud. Shortest Distance to Berlin: 980 miles GHC Armaments: 168,000 Manpower in Pool: 128,000 VP:258 SHC OOB: 7,290,000 +22,000 GHC OOB: 4,226,000 -10,000 Oka North: I started changing over to reserve reaction set-up. All new units, new FZ's and 2 Panzer Corp from south have been moved to AGN's area of operations. The best commanders and SU's are now in this area. I am expecting some offensive operation, so I should have more then enough to counter it during the summer months. Manpower and armaments have started dropping off. [image]local://upfiles/20387/B24697D2E070455D931AD5147BF3A235.jpg[/image]

Peltonx -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 90 VP: 258 (4/30/2015 5:13:06 PM)
Oka South: I been able to hold the line other then northeast and east of Stalingrad. Not sure that the distance to Berlin is but its a allot longer then 980 miles :) Never been this far east so I am not sure how I will play the summer of 43 in this area. I will try and simply hold the line as long as possible, could possibly give a few hexes a turn and cause truck issues. Mybe Russia already is having truck issues? I will not be able to tell until summer, if it appears Russia is having issues then I will be able to be allot more flexable with my panzer units as it will be very hard for him to pocket units. I have not seen many tank Corp or divisions for that matter other then near the Romanians so I be looking for them come spring. I expect a wild summer in the south. [image]local://upfiles/20387/150C029271F64875A7545D6DE4676CE5.jpg[/image]

Callistrid -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 90 VP: 258 (5/3/2015 11:24:28 AM)
The soviets are damn far from Berlin, expecially on south. The main 43 summer offensive region must be around Moscow. I have no cloe how strong are your center forces, but the only chance to capture Berlin is to attack west. The russian must pull your front line, to enjoy the numerical superiority. However, you won this game, because is helpless without the caucasian manpower, and oild fields.

Peltonx -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 90 VP: 258 (5/3/2015 4:30:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Callistrid The soviets are damn far from Berlin, expecially on south. The main 43 summer offensive region must be around Moscow. I have no cloe how strong are your center forces, but the only chance to capture Berlin is to attack west. The russian must pull your front line, to enjoy the numerical superiority. However, you won this game, because is helpless without the caucasian manpower, and oild fields. I am pulling more and more troops to Oka north. I know the manpower issues as I have done the same in other games, but do the oil fields really have a negative effect. Thanks

Peltonx -> Turn 95 (5/7/2015 1:44:02 PM)
Turn 95 Turns left: 107 with 28 being mud. Shortest Distance to Berlin: 980 miles GHC Armaments: 120,000 Manpower in Pool: 58,000 VP:257 SHC OOB: 7,380,000 +97,000 GHC OOB: 4,296,000 +70,000 AGN: no change other then a small pocket. [image]local://upfiles/20387/132ECA09EDDD48D1896FD8D053F7D8AA.jpg[/image]

Peltonx -> RE: Turn 95 (5/7/2015 1:45:03 PM)
AGS lost a city. [image]local://upfiles/20387/7FE12FC5C0D142D9BC345AF9D8AEC1A1.jpg[/image]

M60A3TTS -> RE: Turn 95 (5/11/2015 1:54:57 AM)
If Dave puts most of his mobile forces in the area east of Stalingrad for the summer, I'm not sure that helps much. Sooner or later you are sitting on the west bank of the Volga and as we all know major river crossings are hard to pull off except when frozen in winter. Even if he then flanks you to the south you can just fall back to the Don. As Callistrid points out, better for the Soviets to try something farther west. If not Moscow, maybe drive south southwest in the Saransk-Penza area.

Peltonx -> RE: Turn 95 (5/11/2015 10:20:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS If Dave puts most of his mobile forces in the area east of Stalingrad for the summer, I'm not sure that helps much. Sooner or later you are sitting on the west bank of the Volga and as we all know major river crossings are hard to pull off except when frozen in winter. Even if he then flanks you to the south you can just fall back to the Don. As Callistrid points out, better for the Soviets to try something farther west. If not Moscow, maybe drive south southwest in the Saransk-Penza area. Its 43 and driving in terrain that can be easly defended simply is not going to happen until Dec 43 at best. From recon all his mobile divisions are east of Stalingrad 15+ hexes from railheads, the longest pt from Berlin

Peltonx -> RE: Turn 95 (5/12/2015 11:35:47 PM)
Turn 100 Turns left: 111 Mud turns: 26 Shortest Distance to Berlin: 980 miles GHC Armaments: 214,000 Manpower in Pool: 66,000 VP:258 SHC OOB: 7,455,000 +75,000 GHC OOB: 4,307,000 +11,000 AGN is Oka north, my best infantry divisions, best SUs, good generals in the front line. Then a 2nd row of infantry regiments set on reserve. AGN also and 2x stacked infantry Oka to just north of Moscow, plus a 3rd row of OKH's best panzers set on reserve where Stavka has the highest CVs. This area is NOT moving for a while. AGC sets up for RR. This area is 110 to 140 hexes from Moscow so I be more then happy to give ground. AGS pulls back behind the river or puts a few miles between it and SHC, this area is where I expect a major attack to happen. [image]local://upfiles/20387/497BB6BBE7F044078EED0DA3A9020B9C.jpg[/image]

Peltonx -> RE: Turn 95 (5/12/2015 11:37:48 PM)
AGA pulls back in most cases, this area is so far from Berlin I stopped counting. [image]local://upfiles/20387/D7DBC925955A4B12BEB02E7DEBCE78B6.jpg[/image]

chaos45 -> RE: Turn 95 (5/12/2015 11:51:43 PM)
ya I think smokin can just about concede this one....your still past stalingrad in mid 1943 and you have a massive German OOB....not to mention you will never lose the axis allied at this point so will have some hungarians and romanians as security troops cannon fodder to help soak losses. Soviets dont even have a 2:1 edge and due to the length of the frontline have very little ability to concentrate anywhere before probably 1944.....

Peltonx -> RE: Turn 95 (5/13/2015 12:21:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chaos45 ya I think smokin can just about concede this one....your still past stalingrad in mid 1943 and you have a massive German OOB....not to mention you will never lose the axis allied at this point so will have some hungarians and romanians as security troops cannon fodder to help soak losses. Soviets dont even have a 2:1 edge and due to the length of the frontline have very little ability to concentrate anywhere before probably 1944..... Not sure if hes having truck shortages or what, but we are at 105 which means we had 3 clear turns. In many cases he drives me from a hex and cant move in because of a lack of MP's, I see very few tank/cav or mech divisions. But we are about to start summer of 43 so we see. He has some huge Corps North of Oka around Moscow and has attacked 11 times for 0 wins, where he is winning is 130+ hexes from Berlin with 96 turns left with 24 being mud. Its possible he might get a draw, but Berlin seems out of the question.

Peltonx -> RE: Turn 95 (5/17/2015 4:15:06 PM)
Turn 105 Turns left: 106 with 24 being mud. Shortest Distance to Berlin: 980 miles Hex to turn ratio: +14 GHC Armaments: 258,000 Manpower in Pool: 28,000 VP:257 SHC OOB: 7,600,000 +145,000 GHC OOB: 4,307,000 -26,000 ---------Win---------Held---------Ratio SHC-----37------------43----------46% Total:---37------------43----------46% Tempo: 27 attacks per turn. Oka North has held against all 11 attacks. The next 16 clear turns will tell allot. [image]local://upfiles/20387/A96743F4D39C405E86B4689BC6E0E681.jpg[/image]

Peltonx -> RE: Turn 95 (5/17/2015 4:15:44 PM)
The Volga Front has lost several hexes but the lines are hold. [image]local://upfiles/20387/5705FB33C0C446E2A5A9CE7F7D60B307.jpg[/image]

Peltonx -> 110 (5/17/2015 4:16:50 PM)
Just hoping to hold the eastern Volga for a few turns. [image]local://upfiles/20387/311D56A8B60D431BBD412EA582ED61C9.jpg[/image]

lowtech -> RE: 110 (5/18/2015 2:59:25 PM)
At this point will there be anything like a possible historical Soviet Offensive, Bagration etc? I don't mean as catastrophic for the Axis as Pelton has Out-Generaled the Greatest Leader of all Time (tm) [:D] but it seems like the Soviets have little chance of even breaking the Axis line in any meaningful way. I assume Soviets have complete dominance of the air.

M60A3TTS -> RE: 110 (5/18/2015 4:07:19 PM)
His supply situation has to be brutal in the far south. There is no working railhead for at least 200 miles. If those are armor or mech units on the flank, he must be consuming trucks as fast as they come in. If mud shows up, he could lose thousands more trucks.

Peltonx -> RE: 110 (5/18/2015 7:18:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS His supply situation has to be brutal in the far south. There is no working railhead for at least 200 miles. If those are armor or mech units on the flank, he must be consuming trucks as fast as they come in. If mud shows up, he could lose thousands more trucks. We been PMing and he says trucks are not bad atm. no real issues ap/hvy supplies or oil. but tempo is slow 23 attacks per turn and hes not moving many units as 3/4 of front is static. We are 5-9 turns ahead of my posts. lowtech I am 100% sure Dave will break my lines at some pt this summer as they are 120-130 hexes long I have not counted, but once I retreat to the 90 hexes frontage ( Rostov to Leningrad ) I am hoping to stop him there and fight tooth and nail. Jan 44 will also be hard for me as river freeze.

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