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M60A3TTS -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (12/12/2014 9:08:47 PM)

Any notion how much heavy industry was destroyed?



Gorforlin -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (12/13/2014 1:01:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

Any notion how much heavy industry was destroyed?


Pelton is baned for a week, but I will relay a message for him. ( Close on line fiend from our Shadowbane days to date, but not a board warrior like him)

smokendave lost everything he believes.

smokendave is more then welcome to post as is anyone on all of Peltons AAR threads.



M60A3TTS -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (12/15/2014 11:56:03 PM)

Dave tells me he lost less than the 89 arms that Pelton reported. I'm not at liberty to divulge the # Dave indicated, but it sounds like he is going to be not as bad off as was anticipated.



M60A3TTS -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (1/5/2015 10:47:15 AM)

So what's been going on here? Updates?



Peltonx -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (1/5/2015 11:54:20 AM)

Hi,

We just finished the blizzard-nothing to report really.

Lines from about 15 hexes south of OKA north held. Only real push was Kursk area.

I was able to keep 9 Infantry divisions and 9 panzer divisions in citys.

arm numbers might be off some.

I believe all HI was lost in over run citys.

I report during mud how snow turns went.



Peltonx -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (1/6/2015 12:50:06 AM)

Turn 38 1st turn snow.


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Peltonx -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (1/6/2015 12:50:45 AM)

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Peltonx -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (1/6/2015 12:52:46 AM)

Moscow is at the front basicly 4th PA pushing a little closer during snow, then they assault it in summer.

To the south of Oka setting up standard flank defences and generally farming morale.

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Peltonx -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (1/6/2015 12:53:53 AM)

South we tring to cross a few pts that will roll up any river defences normal stuff.

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Peltonx -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (1/6/2015 12:57:18 AM)

Got the 3 standard panzer ball options come summer.

1. Flank Moscow.

2. try a pocket between Oka and my toe hold over major river at Voronezh, which I expanded this turn.

3. Try a pocket from Voronezh south.

4. go for oil fields.

or the good old packman option then do all the above.



M60A3TTS -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (1/6/2015 1:45:28 AM)

What do the ground losses look like?



M60A3TTS -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (1/30/2015 10:00:20 AM)

So what's the latest?



HITMAN202 -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (1/30/2015 10:15:07 PM)

I know you're busy with WITW, but will ask some dumb questions as you wrestle with the smoker.

Do you use the production screen only to follow Armament points ??? To me the rest are only pretty numbers (esp. the captured equipment.)




Peltonx -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (2/5/2015 2:04:06 PM)

Still going.

I have WitW games down to a manageable 5 now so I be flipping turns as fast as dave can.

I just look at PC



Peltonx -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (2/10/2015 2:32:47 PM)

Turn 46 GHC Armaments: 151,000 Manpower in Pool: 281,000 VP:231


Armament Pts Destroyed = 80
Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = 17
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions:
Brigades:
SU:
AP total:


OKA North: I need 29 more VP's to end game so Moscow is most of that. Hopefully I can grind it out with 4th PA and I Corp.



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Peltonx -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (2/10/2015 2:36:29 PM)

Center there is not allot of VP's but allot of possible units to pocket.

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Peltonx -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (2/10/2015 2:37:27 PM)

In the deep south the oil fields are with in reach and a good number of VP's.

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Peltonx -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (2/15/2015 10:02:35 PM)

Turn 47 GHC Armaments: 161,000 Manpower in Pool: 278,000 VP:231


Armament Pts Destroyed = 80
Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = 25
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions:
Brigades: 1
SU:
AP total:

Things are moving forward in south, I am looking for areas aka rivers for infantry to hold while
panzers do the dirty work come summer and the oil fields look open for the taking + some VP's.

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Peltonx -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (2/15/2015 10:03:43 PM)

4th PA closes in on Moscow and the VP's I need to top 260.

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Peltonx -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (2/15/2015 10:06:12 PM)

Turn 49 GHC Armaments: 168,000 Manpower in Pool: 265,000 VP:237


Armament Pts Destroyed = 80
Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = 44
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions: 3
Brigades: 9
SU:
AP total:

AGC closes in a little closer.

AGA is setting the table and AGS is rolling up the oil fields, its only spring.


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M60A3TTS -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (2/15/2015 10:35:39 PM)

I trust those following this game can see what you get when agreeing as the Soviet player to this.

1941 GC Sudden Death or Alt VC260

Mild Blizzard Rules
Non Random Weather
No 1-1 = 2-1

Dave is not a bad player, but he's helpless under these one-sided conditions given Pelton's abilities.



charlie0311 -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (2/16/2015 12:31:35 AM)

Do you have a suggestion for rules, .08.02beta?



HITMAN202 -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (2/16/2015 2:32:57 PM)

Pelton, I think I noticed a slight change to your modus operandi as you slog thru layers of Soviet forts. Do you attach a Pz div in Reserve Mod to 3 infantry in your powerhouse corps to maximize their attack value and minimize attack penalties ???



Peltonx -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (2/17/2015 10:32:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: HITMAN202

Pelton, I think I noticed a slight change to your modus operandi as you slog thru layers of Soviet forts. Do you attach a Pz div in Reserve Mod to 3 infantry in your powerhouse corps to maximize their attack value and minimize attack penalties ???


Yup Army really.

9 high morale infantry and 4 GD/PD 3 Corp with 1 panzer under the Army HQ



M60A3TTS -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (2/17/2015 3:03:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: charlie0311

Do you have a suggestion for rules, .08.02beta?


Depends on the context. If I am playing against Pelton and he wants no 1:1-2:1, fine. Non Random weather, fine. That's now two pluses for the Axis side. So against that I would want normal blizzard and regular victory conditions to level the field.

The presence of no 1:1-2:1 combined with mild blizzard means neither side suffers significant casualties in the summer-fall and the Axis can fight to retain the most important territory gains of winter in the Moscow area. That means come summer, it's simple cleanup for the Axis to get to 260VP just as we see here. It so happens that I am playing Dave under the conditions I mention and the battle lines are quite similar to where they were historically with Leningrad being lost the exception.



Peltonx -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (2/18/2015 1:07:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS


quote:

ORIGINAL: charlie0311

Do you have a suggestion for rules, .08.02beta?


Depends on the context. If I am playing against Pelton and he wants no 1:1-2:1, fine. Non Random weather, fine.
That's now two pluses for the Axis side. So against that I would want normal blizzard and regular victory conditions to level the field.

The presence of no 1:1-2:1 combined with mild blizzard means neither side suffers significant casualties in the summer-fall and the Axis can fight to retain the most important territory gains of winter in the Moscow area. That means come summer, it's simple cleanup for the Axis to get to 260VP just as we see here. It so happens that I am playing Dave under the conditions I mention and the battle lines are quite similar to where they were historically with Leningrad being lost the exception.


no 1v1=2v1
random weather
mild blizzard
sudden death or 260



micheljq -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (2/18/2015 5:02:51 PM)

What is sudden death or 260?

Mild Blizzard sure is helping Axis.

Michel.



Peltonx -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (2/18/2015 5:43:52 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: micheljq

What is sudden death or 260?

Mild Blizzard sure is helping Axis.

Michel.


MB = historical not the Middle Earth standard blizzard sillyness



sillyflower -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (2/25/2015 9:56:23 PM)

I have to say Smokin' is paying the price for agreeing to house rules that were each pro-German. IMHO house rules should be used to correct gamey abuse of rules, and broadly neutral or designed to aid the weaker/less experienced player.

Same for trash talk which is why I would always allow Hitman 2 more adverbs and 1 extra gerund per post: safe in the knowledge that he doesn't know what they are.



Peltonx -> RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25 (2/28/2015 5:05:02 PM)


Turn 55 GHC Armaments: 224,000 Manpower in Pool: 275,000 VP:238


Armament Pts Destroyed = 80
Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = 100
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions: 20
Brigades: 10
SU:
AP total:

A few small pockets each turn so far mostly in the center. Dave is doing a good job at holding Moscow. I don't think I will be able to take it until rivers freeze so I will just keep doing the packman thing for now.


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