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Zap -> RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... (12/24/2014 5:28:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer Sometimes I seriously wonder how some of you can even manage to accomplish any real measure of potential for challenge as an opponent with such lack luster capacity to reason out a comment. Ok Santa does NOT come to all of the boys and girls of the world, even though that's part of the whole silly notion. Christmas is not an event to the greater majority of the global population to begin with. If you consider China and India basically not Christian populations and that is 2/3 of humanity right there eh. Santa is after all predominantly a Christian obsession. And yes, we all know, just about the entire event is originally of pagan origins. They call it Christmas, and I bet most actually DO think Christ was born on December 25th. But considering what mainstream Christianity actually does believe in, nothing shocks me any more :) But then, most also probably expect Christ looks Caucasian as well. The entire Christian event is almost entirely a fabrication. Sometimes I find myself wanting to do repeated facepalms when I hear of people getting so upset over the way the Christian event of Christmas is being treated. But really, it's as Christian as any other day of the year. The day was picked for only one reason, to usurp a pagan event, and steal it for their own. I'm not Christian, but, I don't have any issues with them picking the 25th to make their fuss over him. I do think it's kinda funny though, how easily people become Christian, the moment they're told that they have to work that day :) Then suddenly their work is impinging on their god given rights :) It's also kinda sad the other religions can't justify days off of work. But I suppose if you satisfied all of them, no one would ever get anything done :) Google often has all sorts of reasons why a day should me remembered for some special reason :) And your so misinformed. 1 Santa Claus is a harmless distortion of the real (proven to exist) Saint Nicholas Bishop of Sweden who brought gifts to children. When Swedish immigrants came to the US that tradition caught on here. It was secular society who had a hard time with equating gift giving at Christmas with a Saint of the Catholic Church. Since the practice was so prevalent. It was more digestible to change Saint Nicholas with a jolly old man. And then the rest of the fantasy has been added. 2 And no most Christians' believe Jesus was Jewish descent. Whatever that looks like! 3 And there is nothing pagan about the birth of Christ. Christ came into the world when he came into it. The exact date is not recorded. But it is most probably somewhere near December according to calculations of events in the gospel. But you have a problem with Christianity, as you say, "Christianity is mostly fabricated". Of course your disdain for Christianity is typical of many atheist who find sport in mocking Christian belief. The problem is your guessing what Christians do believe. 4 The predominate religion in the Us and much of Europe is Christian. I see no problem in taking that historical event and setting aside a time to reflect on it as a nation. I mean what other event in history has had so much good come from it? The message of jesus rings clear throughout history. Love even your enemies. We celebrate Jesus not what some people who may distort his message may do.

Aurelian -> RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... (12/24/2014 5:34:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lecivius My family is gone, to cancer. My friends are gone, to a host of things in life. I have a wife, and a son. My rock, and my anchor. I have no religion in me anymore. All this spouting off about Christmas is just that. Christmas is not the holiday, or the shopping, or any such pap. It's an idea. MrsWargamer, and those like him/her, missed the boat entirely. So go enjoy your dinner. I will be doing a party downtown at a school for homeless kids tonight. I have this hanging in my office. I wish we could all live up to it. I shall pass through this world but once! Any good thing, therefore, that I can do or any kindness that I can show to any human being, let me do it now. Let me not defer or neglect it, for I shall not pass this way again. Supposedly by Stephen Grellet, but who cares. Just like Christmas, it's the thought that counts. Well said.

Aurelian -> RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... (12/24/2014 5:37:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zap quote: ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer Sometimes I seriously wonder how some of you can even manage to accomplish any real measure of potential for challenge as an opponent with such lack luster capacity to reason out a comment. Ok Santa does NOT come to all of the boys and girls of the world, even though that's part of the whole silly notion. Christmas is not an event to the greater majority of the global population to begin with. If you consider China and India basically not Christian populations and that is 2/3 of humanity right there eh. Santa is after all predominantly a Christian obsession. And yes, we all know, just about the entire event is originally of pagan origins. They call it Christmas, and I bet most actually DO think Christ was born on December 25th. But considering what mainstream Christianity actually does believe in, nothing shocks me any more :) But then, most also probably expect Christ looks Caucasian as well. The entire Christian event is almost entirely a fabrication. Sometimes I find myself wanting to do repeated facepalms when I hear of people getting so upset over the way the Christian event of Christmas is being treated. But really, it's as Christian as any other day of the year. The day was picked for only one reason, to usurp a pagan event, and steal it for their own. I'm not Christian, but, I don't have any issues with them picking the 25th to make their fuss over him. I do think it's kinda funny though, how easily people become Christian, the moment they're told that they have to work that day :) Then suddenly their work is impinging on their god given rights :) It's also kinda sad the other religions can't justify days off of work. But I suppose if you satisfied all of them, no one would ever get anything done :) Google often has all sorts of reasons why a day should me remembered for some special reason :) And your so misinformed. 1 Santa Claus is a harmless distortion of the real (proven to exist) Saint Nicholas Bishop of Sweden who brought gifts to children. When Swedish immigrants came to the US that tradition caught on here. It was secular society who had a hard time with equating gift giving at Christmas with a Saint of the Catholic Church. Since the practice was so prevalent. It was more digestible to change Saint Nicholas with a jolly old man. And then the rest of the fantasy has been added. 2 And no most Christians' believe Jesus was Jewish descent. Whatever that looks like! 3 And there is nothing pagan about the birth of Christ. Christ came into the world when he came into it. The exact date is not recorded. But it is most probably somewhere near December according to calculations of events in the gospel. But you have a problem with Christianity, as you say, "Christianity is mostly fabricated". Of course your disdain for Christianity is typical of many atheist who find sport in mocking Christian belief. The problem is your guessing what Christians do believe. 4 The predominate religion in the Us and much of Europe is Christian. I see no problem in taking that historical event and setting aside a time to reflect on it as a nation. I mean what other event in history has had so much good come from it? The message of jesus rings clear throughout history. Love even your enemies. We celebrate Jesus not what some people who may distort his message may do. Well stated. But wasted on the person quoted I fear.

aaatoysandmore -> RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... (12/24/2014 6:19:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 quote: ORIGINAL: nate25 quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 quote: ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer quote: ORIGINAL: JW quote: ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer Sometimes I seriously wonder how some of you can even manage to accomplish any real measure of potential for challenge as an opponent with such lack luster capacity to reason out a comment. Ok Santa does NOT come to all of the boys and girls of the world, even though that's part of the whole silly notion. Christmas is not an event to the greater majority of the global population to begin with. If you consider China and India basically not Christian populations and that is 2/3 of humanity right there eh. Santa is after all predominantly a Christian obsession. And yes, we all know, just about the entire event is originally of pagan origins. They call it Christmas, and I bet most actually DO think Christ was born on December 25th. But considering what mainstream Christianity actually does believe in, nothing shocks me any more :) But then, most also probably expect Christ looks Caucasian as well. The entire Christian event is almost entirely a fabrication. Sometimes I find myself wanting to do repeated facepalms when I hear of people getting so upset over the way the Christian event of Christmas is being treated. But really, it's as Christian as any other day of the year. The day was picked for only one reason, to usurp a pagan event, and steal it for their own. I'm not Christian, but, I don't have any issues with them picking the 25th to make their fuss over him. I do think it's kinda funny though, how easily people become Christian, the moment they're told that they have to work that day :) Then suddenly their work is impinging on their god given rights :) It's also kinda sad the other religions can't justify days off of work. But I suppose if you satisfied all of them, no one would ever get anything done :) Google often has all sorts of reasons why a day should me remembered for some special reason :) Well, you certainly took this thread to a low point. Was not my intent, but Warspite doesn't seem to endure being wrong well :) Which is essentially his cross to bear. Nice as the chat is though, I have tarts to bake, cookies to bake and baking in general to do :) Because regardless of the justifications, people expect a nice meal to appear on the 25th, and I enjoy eating it too :) And remember, the reason for the season is actually axial tilt :) warspite1 Au contraire dear. I am often wrong, about a lot of things too, so I am quite used to the feeling. However, I am at a total loss to understand what on earth you are waffling on about. You said, and I quote, "more of this planet is NOT Christian than Christian and as such, it's again, a pointless event". That comment is about as nonsensical as its possible to get. Because your average Chinese or Mongolian or Japanese or Indian or whatever are not Christian, you say Christmas is a pointless event. Right..... Not sure why you folks even reply to this troll.... just gives credence to statements that otherwise have none. Cheers, Nate warspite1 Natester's back! How are doing old chap? Whatcha been doin'? Cmon now no name calling. We're all good friends here with certainly differences of opinion. I don't question the REASON for the holiday I question the commercialism they have put into it. So, I can see MrsWargamers point to some extent. We're celebrating Saint Nicholas more than the birth of Christ. Or so it seems.

Chickenboy -> RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... (12/24/2014 6:36:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore We're celebrating Saint Nicholas more than the birth of Christ. Or so it seems. No we aren't, mate. If you are, then so be it-I hope your celebration of Saint Nicholas brings you and / or your family happiness. My family (and most Christians I know personally) are very cognizant of (and lament) the commercialism of Christmas, yet mindful of the real reason for the celebration. The birth of our lord Jesus Christ. I enjoy the time with my family and my children on Christmas and try not to let the myopic and targeted ill will of militant proselytizing atheists / agnostics / trolls detract from this day. Those that attempt to impose their own non-belief on others on this special day are trolls that don't have the sense to shut their festering gob for even 24 hours. Thankfully, Matrix forums has a nice feature for this-the 'green button'. It's even color-coordinated for the season! Just like my Christmas tree. ETA: Other than the first paragraph, aaatoysandmore, the above isn't directed towards you specifically. Peace.

Lecivius -> RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... (12/24/2014 6:37:21 PM)
I'm voting with CB on this.

jwarrenw13 -> RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... (12/24/2014 6:39:30 PM)
I think you must consider the original post and the vitriol that so quickly erupted. There was no excuse for that.

aaatoysandmore -> RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... (12/24/2014 7:51:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy quote: ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore We're celebrating Saint Nicholas more than the birth of Christ. Or so it seems. No we aren't, mate. If you are, then so be it-I hope your celebration of Saint Nicholas brings you and / or your family happiness. My family (and most Christians I know personally) are very cognizant of (and lament) the commercialism of Christmas, yet mindful of the real reason for the celebration. The birth of our lord Jesus Christ. I enjoy the time with my family and my children on Christmas and try not to let the myopic and targeted ill will of militant proselytizing atheists / agnostics / trolls detract from this day. Those that attempt to impose their own non-belief on others on this special day are trolls that don't have the sense to shut their festering gob for even 24 hours. Thankfully, Matrix forums has a nice feature for this-the 'green button'. It's even color-coordinated for the season! Just like my Christmas tree. ETA: Other than the first paragraph, aaatoysandmore, the above isn't directed towards you specifically. Peace. I do believe there are a "few" who do not celebrate the commercialism but one would have to think just by all the advertisements, media on tv and radio and people grabbing this and that and you should have seen target here on black friday. It just makes it appear that the "majority" do celebrate Saint Nicholas vs Christ's birthday. It's kinda like what someone said though it's more of a tradition than an event celebration. You are programmed from a young age to do this stuff. I don't think the mold can be broken or that people really want it to be (the commercialism that is) When I was young my parents didn't teach me this was christ's birthday celebration it was all about Santa Claus and gifts. Christ actually came later in life from them. Maybe you were brought up differently. That's what I meant about everyone has a different look an impression about things. There's no real one way or no way to it. EDIT: You do know they are going to lock this thread soon? [:'(] Anytime some form of religion and beliefs hit the page it usually isn't long afterwards Iain or Erik come along saying they are going to have to close it for such n such reasons.

warspite1 -> RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... (12/24/2014 8:00:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy quote: ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore We're celebrating Saint Nicholas more than the birth of Christ. Or so it seems. No we aren't, mate. If you are, then so be it-I hope your celebration of Saint Nicholas brings you and / or your family happiness. My family (and most Christians I know personally) are very cognizant of (and lament) the commercialism of Christmas, yet mindful of the real reason for the celebration. The birth of our lord Jesus Christ. I enjoy the time with my family and my children on Christmas and try not to let the myopic and targeted ill will of militant proselytizing atheists / agnostics / trolls detract from this day. Those that attempt to impose their own non-belief on others on this special day are trolls that don't have the sense to shut their festering gob for even 24 hours. Thankfully, Matrix forums has a nice feature for this-the 'green button'. It's even color-coordinated for the season! Just like my Christmas tree. ETA: Other than the first paragraph, aaatoysandmore, the above isn't directed towards you specifically. Peace. I do believe there are a "few" who do not celebrate the commercialism but one would have to think just by all the advertisements, media on tv and radio and people grabbing this and that and you should have seen target here on black friday. It just makes it appear that the "majority" do celebrate Saint Nicholas vs Christ's birthday. It's kinda like what someone said though it's more of a tradition than an event celebration. You are programmed from a young age to do this stuff. I don't think the mold can be broken or that people really want it to be (the commercialism that is) When I was young my parents didn't teach me this was christ's birthday celebration it was all about Santa Claus and gifts. Christ actually came later in life from them. Maybe you were brought up differently. That's what I meant about everyone has a different look an impression about things. There's no real one way or no way to it. warspite1 But you seem to be saying if you "celebrate Saint Nicholas" you are not also celebrating the birth of Christ quote: "majority" do celebrate Saint Nicholas vs Christ's birthday. - as though these are somehow mutually exclusive. One can be a Christian, and believe that Christmas is a time of celebration for the birth of Christ and still take part in buying presents, and all the "commercial stuff" that some people here seem to be getting so worked up about.

Qwixt -> RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... (12/24/2014 9:34:22 PM)
I celebrate Christmas for the time off from work, as it's an official holiday. Thank you Christians for believing in a ridiculous myth (whoops...no, your religion is the one true religion, all the rest are funny myths) and the given self-importance from being in the vast majority that everyone should celebrate your religion. [:D] I won't say no to a day off.

Zap -> RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... (12/24/2014 9:38:23 PM)
Gift giving is inspired by the gifts brought to Jesus by the three kings. Gift giving is motivated by love. Each individual is responsible for their spiritual well-being regarding making gift-giving an act of love as opposed to it being an act of pure materialism. Parents have the job to nurture their children's spiritual growth. @aaatoysandmore sorry your parents reversed priorities about the meaning of Christmas. I,d just like to say to those who have mentioned the loneliness they are experiencing. I offer you my warm wishes for these holidays. At least, a long distance wish can warm the heart a little.

aaatoysandmore -> RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... (12/24/2014 10:31:30 PM)
quote: One can be a Christian, and believe that Christmas is a time of celebration for the birth of Christ and still take part in buying presents, and all the "commercial stuff" that some people here seem to be getting so worked up about. Perhaps you missed the part about selling goods in or near the you know what. I could certainly see Him getting more upset by making His birthday something for ceasar to enjoy. Some things are taken overboard. I'm not so sure He would probably like a birthday celebration but that is a human thing humans made up and I'm reasonably sure He's more concerned about "other" things in our lives than a celebration of His birthday. To me and it's my belief you can believe what you want. It's all about the commercialism and people use it as an excuse in the name of (just like they did during the Crusade period). But of course like has been all down through history they will adjust things to their ways and not His way of thinking. It always makes me think of the parable where He says "Not all that cry out My name or believe in Me shall enter." Many like to overlook that part.

Zap -> RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... (12/24/2014 10:34:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Qwixt I celebrate Christmas for the time off from work, as it's an official holiday. Thank you Christians for believing in a ridiculous myth (whoops...no, your religion is the one true religion, all the rest are funny myths) and the given self-importance from being in the vast majority that everyone should celebrate your religion. [:D] I won't say no to a day off. You are not forced to celebrate Christmas by Christians, right! By your own words you like the day off. But I guess you just like to hurl a couple of hand grenades. With your misconceptions a little mockery is ok. It appears your belief is that all religions are ridiculous myths, Why try and disguise what you really believe? By trying to shame Christians with something untrue. Your one true religion is atheism

Gilmer -> RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... (12/25/2014 12:20:49 AM)
All's I know is I don't go to the British and schit on their holidays that we don't celebrate, and I don't go to the French and schit on their holidays that we don't celebrate, or Sweden, or Norway, or Germany. And all of them are outnumbered by the rest as well. I don't see the need to schit on our holiday just because most people in the world don't celebrate it. But, I guess I'm weird that way.

Aurelian -> RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... (12/25/2014 12:31:55 AM)
Just for the.......... you know who.... He knows when you are sleeping. He knows when you're on the can. He'll hunt you down and blast your ass from here to Pakistan. You better not breath. You better not move. You're better off dead I'm telling you dude. Santa Claus is gunning you down. The Futureama episode Xmas story.

jwarrenw13 -> RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... (12/25/2014 12:45:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Qwixt I celebrate Christmas for the time off from work, as it's an official holiday. Thank you Christians for believing in a ridiculous myth (whoops...no, your religion is the one true religion, all the rest are funny myths) and the given self-importance from being in the vast majority that everyone should celebrate your religion. [:D] I won't say no to a day off. Oh, now you've done it. [:-] Merry Christmas anyway. [;)] And happy time off. [:)]

berto -> RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... (12/25/2014 1:41:52 AM)
quote: There are many things from which I might have derived good, by which I have not profited, I dare say,� returned the nephew. �Christmas among the rest. But I am sure I have always thought of Christmas time, when it has come round -apart from the veneration due to its sacred name and origin, if anything belonging to it can be apart from that- as a good time; a kind, forgiving, charitable, pleasant time; the only time I know of, in the long calendar of the year, when men and women seem by one consent to open their shut-up hearts freely, and to think of people below them as if they really were fellow-passengers to the grave, and not another race of creatures bound on other journeys. And therefore, uncle, though it has never put a scrap of gold or silver in my pocket, I believe that it has done me good, and will do me good; and I say, God bless it! -- Ebenezer Scrooge's nephew, from Charles Dickens "A Christmas Carol" Wherever you are, whatever you believe or don't believe: *Merry Christmas, everyone!*

Twotribes -> RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... (12/25/2014 2:26:36 AM)
I wonder why all these people that support Christmas are not wishing her a merry Christmas and instead attacking her?

Qwixt -> RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... (12/25/2014 2:57:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JW quote: ORIGINAL: Qwixt I celebrate Christmas for the time off from work, as it's an official holiday. Thank you Christians for believing in a ridiculous myth (whoops...no, your religion is the one true religion, all the rest are funny myths) and the given self-importance from being in the vast majority that everyone should celebrate your religion. [:D] I won't say no to a day off. Oh, now you've done it. [:-] Merry Christmas anyway. [;)] And happy time off. [:)] Merry Christmas!! [sm=party-smiley-012.gif]

Aurelian -> RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... (12/25/2014 3:26:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Twotribes I wonder why all these people that support Christmas are not wishing her a merry Christmas and instead attacking her? Here's your first clue: quote: ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer I don't really like the blasted holiday to be honest. A. it's not his real birthday, thus making it a scam event. B. it's commercialized to death. C. more of this planet is NOT Christian than Christian and as such, it's again, a pointless event.

jwarrenw13 -> RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... (12/25/2014 3:36:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Twotribes I wonder why all these people that support Christmas are not wishing her a merry Christmas and instead attacking her? Basically her insulting, condescending tone, i.e., "Sometimes I seriously wonder how some of you can even manage to accomplish any real measure of potential for challenge as an opponent with such lack luster capacity to reason out a comment." And all this in indirect response to the original post, which was a very simple personal comment. She threw a grenade into the thread. She was just rude for no apparent reason. It even got me involved, and I very rarely get involved in these type threads.

Twotribes -> RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... (12/25/2014 3:54:52 AM)
So as a christian one is not taught to love the sinner, not the sin? Does Jesus teach to hate or love? Does her opinion somehow stop you from believing in the Christmas spirit? What is worse, an unbeliever not believing or a believer resorting to hate and disdain?

warspite1 -> RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... (12/25/2014 4:45:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Twotribes So as a christian one is not taught to love the sinner, not the sin? Does Jesus teach to hate or love? Does her opinion somehow stop you from believing in the Christmas spirit? What is worse, an unbeliever not believing or a believer resorting to hate and disdain? Warspite1 Firstly I see no hatred toward her. Secondly, while she is fully entitled to air her opinion, she must expect a suitable reaction when that opinion is to rubbish someone's faith. No, whichever way you slice it, however few Christians there may be on the planet, Christmas is NOT a pointless, scam event to them.

aaatoysandmore -> RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... (12/25/2014 4:45:41 AM)
One other thing that comes to mind. How many of you put on your christmas presents to your children or others. Merry Christmas from Christ? How many of you put Merry Christmas from Santa Claus? How many of you put Merry Christmas from yourself? Just a thought. [:'(]

warspite1 -> RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... (12/25/2014 4:52:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore One other thing that comes to mind. How many of you put on your christmas presents to your children or others. Merry Christmas from Christ? How many of you put Merry Christmas from Santa Claus? How many of you put Merry Christmas from yourself? Just a thought. [:'(] warspite1 From Christ? Why would anyone do that? The presents are brought by Santa to those children that have been good - the gift tags say from mum and dad or sister or nan or whatever. My little Warspite's never questioned the anomaly - by the time they were able to work out the difference they had stopped believing in Father Christmas anyway.

jwarrenw13 -> RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... (12/25/2014 4:59:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Twotribes So as a christian one is not taught to love the sinner, not the sin? Does Jesus teach to hate or love? Does her opinion somehow stop you from believing in the Christmas spirit? What is worse, an unbeliever not believing or a believer resorting to hate and disdain? With respect, confronting rude behavior has nothing to do with hate. And my problem with her comments is that they were just mean-spirited, rude, and inappropriate. She can believe what she wants to believe. Edit: I could add a couple of good things from Proverbs here, not directed at you: Proverbs 29:11 A fool gives full vent to his spirit, but a wise man quietly holds it back. Proverbs 15:1 A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.

Twotribes -> RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... (12/25/2014 5:11:32 AM)
And I stand by the statement that while she may have been rude the proper response was to politely disagree and wish her a merry Christmas.Or perhaps a happy Holidays since she doesn't believe. I do not like Christmas time I do not like the winter season at all. Doesn't mean one should forget the Christmas season's purpose.

aaatoysandmore -> RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... (12/25/2014 5:20:03 AM)
I dare say one of the 7 deadly sins is revisited every year at Christmas. Gluttony is alive an well that day. [:D]

warspite1 -> RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... (12/25/2014 5:20:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Twotribes And I stand by the statement that while she may have been rude the proper response was to politely disagree and wish her a merry Christmas.Or perhaps a happy Holidays since she doesn't believe. I do not like Christmas time I do not like the winter season at all. Doesn't mean one should forget the Christmas season's purpose. Warspite1 I don't think the responses have been impolite. Its been an adult, strong debate. Choosing not to believe? No problem. Rubbishing an entire faith? You going to expect to get picked up on. Anyway I do wish all General Discussion forumites a Merry Christmas (whatever that may mean to them personally) and a happy New Year.

Zap -> RE: OT As Christmas Approaches... (12/25/2014 5:43:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Twotribes So as a christian one is not taught to love the sinner, not the sin? Does Jesus teach to hate or love? Does her opinion somehow stop you from believing in the Christmas spirit? What is worse, an unbeliever not believing or a believer resorting to hate and disdain? Her misconceptions were spouted out as facts and meant to offend. simply, pointing out those misconceptions how do you conceive that as hate? The concept that loving your neighbor means a Christian can't call out someone being mean-spirited. Or spewing out misconceptions in an obvious attempt to offend, is simply, well misinformed.

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