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BryanMelvin -> Re: 7.1 (3/11/2003 12:22:47 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mogami [B]Hi, Bulgarian trucks display ship icon. Italian motorized infantry display truck icon. [/B][/QUOTE] This has now been fixed - please keep the reports rolling in ;)

ruxius -> (3/11/2003 6:05:56 PM)
Hello Brian, I was inspecting about Radio values.. I found there is an high range of variability for radio values... I am going to think there should be a sort of overall review Radio Values Ex: Gurkha Rifles: 70 BR Commandos: 90 GAP Saboteurs: 12 FR Maquis: 10 IT Askari: 0 GE Rifle Sqd:10 GE SS Rifle Sqd: 11 IN Rifle Sec: 60 (India OOB) GE FJ Airborne: 11 GE Engineer : 21 SO Conscripts: 20 SO Rifle: 10 SO Guard Inf: 20 SO Engineer : 10 (slot#120) SO Engineer: 20 (slot#121) Manual says first number indicates percentage chance fo ra unit to have radio...second cipher regards rarity factor... can you confirm this...? but can you help me understand values for classes of units ? Is there a standard base reference ?

BryanMelvin -> (3/11/2003 11:52:06 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ruxius [B]Hello Brian, I was inspecting about Radio values.. I found there is an high range of variability for radio values... I am going to think there should be a sort of overall review Radio Values Ex: Gurkha Rifles: 70 BR Commandos: 90 GAP Saboteurs: 12 FR Maquis: 10 IT Askari: 0 GE Rifle Sqd:10 GE SS Rifle Sqd: 11 IN Rifle Sec: 60 (India OOB) GE FJ Airborne: 11 GE Engineer : 21 SO Conscripts: 20 SO Rifle: 10 SO Guard Inf: 20 SO Engineer : 10 (slot#120) SO Engineer: 20 (slot#121) Manual says first number indicates percentage chance fo ra unit to have radio...second cipher regards rarity factor... can you confirm this...? but can you help me understand values for classes of units ? Is there a standard base reference ? [/B][/QUOTE] Yes - that is correct. The USSR 50 mortars will not all come with radios for that Radio deprived nation in WWII era!

ruxius -> (3/13/2003 8:58:22 PM)
Go on checking all over around...noticed: General modification: Changing UNIT CLASS From 04 - Machine Gun to 81 - Heavy Machine Gun but also other minor changes ANZAC---------------------------------- #129 Class from 04 - Machine Gun to 81 - Heavy Machine Gun BULGARIA ---------------------------------- #007 Change Name and Class 8mm Madsen - > NAme 8mm MAdsen HMG BULGARIA #33 (comparing with Autoblinda #40 all data are similar and LBM is the same)(also unit is slightly underrated but that is correct since cost is lower ) I suggest: Name Fiat -> Fiat AB40 Thick FH 9 - > 15 Skirts: 0 - > 25 (again this unit is copied from IT OOB also Enctxt and LBM are the same ) #39 NAme : Ansaldo-Fiat -> Fiat CL-33 CANADA---------------------------------- #90 Class 51 - Light Infantry -> 04 - Machine Gun #92 Class From 04 - Machine Gun to 81 - Heavy Machine Gun CZECH---------------------------------- #175 Class From 04 - Machine Gun to 81 - Heavy Machine Gun FINLAND ---------------------------------- (please check as I found Finns had released a new OOB ) #111 Class From 04 - Machine Gun to 81 - Heavy Machine Gun #241 Class From 04 - Machine Gun to 81 - Heavy Machine Gun #242 Class From 04 - Machine Gun to 81 - Heavy Machine Gun #243 Class From 04 - Machine Gun to 81 - Heavy Machine Gun #121 Name : 7.62mm DS39 HMG - > 7.62mm MMG #244 same FRANCE---------------------------------- #92 Class from 04 - Machine Gun to 81 - Heavy Machine Gun FREE FRANCE---------------------------------- #141 Class from 04 - Machine Gun to 81 - Heavy Machine Gun #143 Class from 04 - Machine Gun to 81 - Heavy Machine Gun HUNGARY---------------------------------- #74 Class from 04 - Machine Gun to 81 - Heavy Machine Gun #107 Class from 04 - Machine Gun to 81 - Heavy Machine Gun #108 Class from 04 - Machine Gun to 81 - Heavy Machine Gun GREEK ---------------------------------- (same correction will be done inside ITALIAN OOBs this is a cut & paste error) #34 Name 8mm Breda MMG -> 8mm Breda HMG #34 Class 04- MachineGun - > 81 - Heavy Machine Gun #35 Class 04- MachineGun - > 81 - Heavy Machine Gun INDIA---------------------------------- #129 Class 04- MachineGun - > 81 - Heavy Machine Gun NETHERLANDS---------------------------------- #23 Class 04- MachineGun - > 81 - Heavy Machine Gun #24 Class 04- MachineGun - > 81 - Heavy Machine Gun NORWAY---------------------------------- (MANY SPECIAL UNITS have starting availability from 1949...is that correct ..could they be used inside the game editor while creating scenarios ? ) #105 are you sure 7073 is the correct LBM #109 again LBM 9905 is the right one ? Unit is class CS-tank and name is Panzerturm #208 Name From HMG Section to AAMG Section LBMs from 1999 to 2008 are referred but does not exist PHILIPPINES---------------------------------- #32 Comparing unit data with #167 FROM US Army OOB I would change it's name from MMG to HMG #47 Class from 04 - Machine Gun to 81 - Heavy Machine Gun #52 Class from 04 - Machine Gun to 81 - Heavy Machine Gun #99 Name from GMC CCKW HMG to GMC CCKW AAMG POLAND ---------------------------------- #49 Class from 04 - Machine Gun to 81 - Heavy Machine Gun #50 Class from 04 - Machine Gun to 81 - Heavy Machine Gun #165 Name from PF-508/518 HMG to PF-508/518 AAMG #205 Class from 04 - Machine Gun to 81 - Heavy Machine Gun NATIONALIST SPAIN---------------------------------- #008 Name....not persuated about AAA since no AA weapon..compared to REPUBBLICAN SPAIN units#6 #7 #132 Class from 04 - Machine Gun to 81 - Heavy Machine Gun #133 Name change from 7.92mm MG34 HMG to MMG #142 Name change from Hotchkiss HMG to 7.5mm FM29 LMG UK ---------------------------------- #97 Name from Maxim AA-Gun to Maxim AAMG #162 Class from 51 - Light infantry to 04 - Machine Gun US ARMY ---------------------------------- #167 Class from 04 - Machine Gun to 81 - Heavy Machine Gun YUGOSLAVIA ---------------------------------- #32 Class from 04 - Machine Gun to 81 - Heavy Machine Gun #33 Class from 04 - Machine Gun to 81 - Heavy Machine Gun #34 Class from 04 - Machine Gun to 81 - Heavy Machine Gun

BryanMelvin -> (3/14/2003 12:14:15 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ruxius [B]Go on checking all over around...noticed: General modification: Changing UNIT CLASS From 04 - Machine Gun to 81 - Heavy Machine Gun but also other minor changes................ .................. - Heavy Machine Gun [/B][/QUOTE] Yes - changes have been made Thanks for the details!!!!

Alby -> (3/14/2003 8:28:13 PM)
I have never seen the Soviet 107MM Mortar available for purchase, with rarity turned on. it is and has always been RED in every game i have played could you look into this. Thanks

o4r -> (3/14/2003 10:17:30 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Alby [B]I have never seen the Soviet 107MM Mortar available for purchase, with rarity turned on. it is and has always been RED in every game i have played could you look into this. Thanks [/B][/QUOTE] Well you certain had a very bad luck game for that to happen but the most common to use was acutally the 120 mm mortar. The German capture so many that they used it too. There is actually one more country that was not mentioned much in the war, they were the Finland. They captured alot and also put them in used. But rarely 107 was mentioned much. Actually our SPWAW actually text reading. I actually had the program like Fine reader Pro which allow me to convert text from scan. Sometime reading all these give you alot of fun but since no request from the administrator so nothing done. If we could all given a task by the admin to do something for the game like the text or get new picture for it rather some old stupid picture from old WWII photographs which kept repeating itself. We all can make a different and be proud that at least one part of it is done by us though not big but at least we did something inside. ok, one of them I read was funny. It is about the Japanese 50 mm Type 89 Gernade discharger or in our SPWAW it was called 50 m T89 Mtr which meant mortar. Well this was normally carried strapped to the soldier's leg and was therefore known to the as the "Leg Mortar". Unfortunately an Allied interpreter got it wrong and called it the "Knee Mortar", after which several people went to hospital with broken thighs after fitting the curved spade on to their legs and firing the mortar. Funny .....?? Further to the descrption of the weapon: It was an unusual weapon in that it used a fixed elevation and the range was varied by screwing a rod up into the barrel so causing the bomb to fired higher up from the breech. That meant more space for the gas to expand and before it started the bomb on its way, and thus gave range control. As well as finned bomb, it could also fire standard hand grenade though to a much shorter range than proper bomb, Each equipment weigh about 4,53 kg and weigh of shell is about 0.8 kg to a max range of only 640 m. Rate of fire is 25/min. The most unsatisfactory factors in Germany unit I found is that they are the only country that do not have any heavy artillery with size bigger than 150 mm. Making them on later part of the game the only one better not to buy off board artillery since it is a fact that counter artillery in our game is normally bigger gun countering smaller gun. So if you used 8 inch American or British or 203 which is also 8 inch by the Russian. At later part of the war, they are near equal to German unit and they always counter German 150 gun. What I found out that the German had a Krupp 21 cm Mrs 18 artillery. It is acutally issued to GErman unit in 1936. This gun was replacing another 21 cm normally called a Long 21cm Mortar deslgned in 1916. The gun shared the same carriage with 17 cm gun 18 (which is also used by the German). I actually had some picture to replace those in our game but nobody ask for them. This is how the 21cm look like see below. I have lot of small little picture of 85 mm AA, some different view of Russian guns.... interested?

o4r -> (3/14/2003 10:20:20 PM)
Ok, the so called "knee Mortar" by Allied.......

o4r -> (3/14/2003 10:23:49 PM)
A look at 12.8 cm Pak 44 which is a photograph in our SPWAW. Can somebody off that 60 second thing and allow me to attach more than 1 pictures. Many thanks to those fxxking idiot who spam this site.....make us so troublesome...... mother fxxker why they got nothing better to do. Forcing the admin to enforce this to prevent spamming.

o4r -> (3/14/2003 10:37:40 PM)
The Krupp L2H143 or the one that accompany the 2 * 81 mortar. It has a AA MG but the photograph didnt show. Ok, here is one that had it. It is also called Krupp Kfz 81.

o4r -> (3/14/2003 10:42:30 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by o4r [B]The Krupp L2H143 or the one that accompany the 2 * 81 mortar. It has a AA MG but the photograph didnt show. Ok, here is one that had it. It is also called Krupp Kfz 81. [/B][/QUOTE] In SPWAW they always dont allow any thing bigger than a heavy artillery on a truck. You ever wonder why the rating of Bussing Nag is 218. See this picture. It carry a Pz 1

o4r -> (3/14/2003 11:08:43 PM)
Ever wonder what is the name of the ammo truck picture they used to represent the ammo truck.... it is actually a German Maultier. Because German trucks proved totally unable to operate successfully during the firs winter of the Russian campaign in 1941 and 1942, it was thus decided to producea low cost half track to take over many of the trucks duties. (If you see properly at most of German heavy truck, they are designed like Tiger which overlapping each other so they frost during winter) The Wehrmachtsschepper could not produced in sufficient number to fulfill this need so Opel and Daimler Benx chassis were fixed to tracked assemblies from PzKpfz II tank. The new Maultier as it was known was a reasonable success although lacking the mobility of proper halftracks. By late 1942, the Maultier was being pressed into service as a launch vehicle fpr thje Nebelwerfer rocket launcher, with 3000 conversions being orderef by the German Army. In combat Maultiers were orgainised into Nebelwerfer Brigades. So it is more commonly seen as a rocket launcher rather than a ammo truck. Whoever place the picture, it must be good faith....

o4r -> ammo truck for British (3/14/2003 11:15:54 PM)
The picture inserted for British ammo truck look like a Bedford MWD. It first appear around 1937 and was based on a commerical 2 tonnes truck with a modifited chassis to increase ground clearance. The Bristish war office ordered 2000 in Aug 1939. It was deliveried being constructed to carry 2 pounder AT gun. It was orignated designed with a fitted canvas hood and collapsibe windscreen and later in 1943 replaced by an enclosed cab. Finally about 200000 was produced and used till 1950.

o4r -> The Russian B4 (3/14/2003 11:33:38 PM)
They post a picture and it placed it used in 1949 cause I think they dont want it in the tactical map...

o4r -> (3/14/2003 11:41:29 PM)
This 60 sec waiting is killing, everytime I wait, I puffed one ciagrette so if I send 20 pictures, I think I finished a pack.... this is bad man.... though I know it will actually take you 400 ciagrette a day to kill you instantly and 2000 cups of standard cup size coffee to do the same. This picture is the most important of all. Without it there is no moderm artillery. Every gun will fire and push back. This is the first gun to able to fire and stay in postion but nobody respect it. You can consider it to the father of all modern artillery. Here it is. No more picture, 60 sec is terrible,

o4r -> (3/15/2003 12:04:49 AM)
Sorry about 21cm gun, Here it is.

ruxius -> (3/15/2003 3:39:13 AM)
Wow...boys ..if only you could find a picture of Iraqi infantry in 1940...1941..for me ! :o

o4r -> (3/15/2003 1:04:45 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ruxius [B]Wow...boys ..if only you could find a picture of Iraqi infantry in 1940...1941..for me ! :o [/B][/QUOTE] Iraqi had infantry then??? That I didnt know but will try and get back to you.... hmmm.....that arabic warrior type ????

o4r -> (3/15/2003 1:15:56 PM)
I have take a look at Panzer Leo H2H. Pretty impressive. Sometime I think the lbm picture is preferance. The 1st copy of picture for SP I, I dont remember quite well but I remember later development, every one replace those war time pictures with color picture drawn. But Panzer Leo now replaced back with the war time picture. But his version is actually better. Sometime it let me wonder what the hell those programmer writting war game program get their data of weapon from where? I think there are alot here that can become a consultant. Panzer Leo is certainly one I would recommend. The only dislike features is that all the unit in German is written in German. What if I am a Chinese, or a Japanese or a Polis and written the country unit in my language. All these data are solid hard to get data and yet due to the fact of compability problem with language, it is unable to be intergated. It is certainly a loss in the end. I have played SP for a long long time and wont let go casue it is a fact I cant find another one like this which is consider quite realistic at least in the armour and gun rating. As for rating of country capability is still in doubt. But accepted the fact, the rating is based on overall of the all average rather than any indiviuals.

BryanMelvin -> Update News (3/15/2003 11:45:31 PM)
OOB Update News The OOBs I am working on use a standard Naming convention and are compatible with ALL OLDER SPWAW SCENARIOS AND CAMPAIGNS. It was decided that this was was a must. If a new mode of oobs came in - then all older scenarios as well as campaigns ever done would be worthless as no one could play these anymore. This would produce much grief for many scenario designers and their work. It would set the spwaw gaming world back as everyone will have to download a whole new game and then again another new game version, then another etc... Fewer people would play spwaw than before. To avoid this, Matrix wants oobs to be compatible with older scenarios and campaigns and this we are doing. Several new units were added to oobs that have no effect on older scenarios and more info on these will be released in time. All in all, the new oobs have cleaned up units, formations, weapon data, as well as armor rates when necessary. What we have is a revised set of oobs that now work very well with current Mech.exe and produced better effects. There are coding issues that one may or may not understand that effect game. Armor Pen and HE pen is another. These are set for effects at about 100 yards. From these, the rest of the math is done at longer ranges. Angle and slope hits at long ranges can produce armor defence rates that are high due to the shell glancing off the armor etc.., - which does happen. What the new oobs do is improve the exsisting effects of penatration while changing nothing in the mech.exe. In other words - a math fix was accomplished which improve the game. 37mm ATGs, for example, can immobilize Heavy armor more than before with side and rear shots. The Tiger Tank is more deadly at long ranges as well as short ranges and will not waste ammo firing endlessly never hitting anything. The Tiger crews will accomplish this even using current default experiece/morale rates current game system uses. The Nashorn is now a very deadly weapon system. Armor combat has be improved. HMGs and MMGs and LMGs are more effective. British Troops fire is more effective. There are many changes - to numerous to write about here :D You will soon see the oobs yourselves! Just a last note - One thing I may not be able to do is a new set of LBM's in time of the soon release of the new oobs but patches can be made of these at a future date.

o4r -> (3/16/2003 12:33:31 AM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ruxius [B]Wow...boys ..if only you could find a picture of Iraqi infantry in 1940...1941..for me ! :o [/B][/QUOTE] If you are Italy, I still cant find the Iraq infantry you are mentioning. But I do have a color picture of an Italian Colonial Army in 1942, I think is is Syrian and the other is from East African, it is also an Italian Colonial Army in 1940. From British the Abyssinian Solider serving in the Abyssinian Patriot Army in 1942. I have 1 type of Syrian, 1 type of tribe arabic race also served the French. But there is no Iraqi.

o4r -> (3/16/2003 12:43:28 AM)
Actually talking about Iraqi. I hope every here who love warfare so much learn from the 2nd World War. I think alot of ppl all over the world had enjoyed peace like what our fore father had enjoyed during 1919 to 1938. Actually the falls of French is partial their and British Fault. When Hilter tested on the allied reaction by taking the rhineland, the 2 big brothers was worried but only protested like what the NATO is doing now.....in the other word, talking cXXk. Against ppl like Hilter is exactly dealing with ppl like the dictators of Iraqi. By Force..... you talking to him is like talking to an animals. If Natio continue to be lead by coward like what they doing now, sooner or later, the world will go chaos again. Sometime peace enters only after a war. Looking all back, ISO standard or what the UN community wants is paper works.... see this investigation report that report.... maybe by year end they need to audit their ISO Standard as such before going to war, they have a Quality Manual to mantain. :(

ruxius -> (3/16/2003 1:10:25 AM)
Hello o4r, thanks for your researches about my question... not clear why conversation turned to talk about peace and actual Irak , sorry it was not my intention...(also ideas about here can be as you may figure quite different depending on who is talking about but this thread does not match to politics so I will not open any discussion here ;) ,hope you will understand ) I was looking for Iraqi infantry because in the 1941 the Irak was a British colony who revolted and tried to join the Axis to get indipendence...Also WB designed a scenario that way... I was simply looking to some good picture just to create a new unit like that for that purpose, but I only found news about that small campaign but no picture of infantry... that's why I was asking about your help...my thought was for enriching as much as possible OOBs Your picture about Ethiopian soliders may be interesting for me..I have already got my one..but if yours looks better.... can you post it here please ? Bye Ruxius

o4r -> (3/16/2003 8:10:59 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ruxius [B]Hello o4r, thanks for your researches about my question... not clear why conversation turned to talk about peace and actual Irak , sorry it was not my intention...(also ideas about here can be as you may figure quite different depending on who is talking about but this thread does not match to politics so I will not open any discussion here ;) ,hope you will understand ) I was looking for Iraqi infantry because in the 1941 the Irak was a British colony who revolted and tried to join the Axis to get indipendence...Also WB designed a scenario that way... I was simply looking to some good picture just to create a new unit like that for that purpose, but I only found news about that small campaign but no picture of infantry... that's why I was asking about your help...my thought was for enriching as much as possible OOBs Your picture about Ethiopian soliders may be interesting for me..I have already got my one..but if yours looks better.... can you post it here please ? Bye Ruxius [/B][/QUOTE] Sorry, Ethiopian referring to which one I mentioned. I am not very familiar with African country.

KG Erwin -> USMC OOB suggestions (3/17/2003 1:31:34 AM)
I just bought Gordon Rottman's USMC WWII OOB book, a fantastic piece of work. I found some info on the Raider OOBs which correct some errors in 7.1. Firstly, the 1st and 2nd Raider Cos, formations 1075 & 1079, should include a lt mortar plt (1121), not med mortar, a MMG section (1113) and an Inf-AT section (1112). The raider battalion organization also includes a Weapons Co, which should replace the HCo (1077). This Raider WCo has a company HQ, 4 sections of MMGs (1113), a lt mortar plt (1121), and an Inf-AT section (1112). Note: the 1st Raiders originally did have a 81mm mortar platoon, but these weapons were left in the States.

BryanMelvin -> Re: USMC OOB suggestions (3/17/2003 1:13:02 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by KG Erwin [B]I just bought Gordon Rottman's USMC WWII OOB book, a fantastic piece of work. I found some info on the Raider OOBs which correct some errors in 7.1. Firstly, the 1st and 2nd Raider Cos, formations 1075 & 1079, should include a lt mortar plt (1121), not med mortar, a MMG section (1113) and an Inf-AT section (1112). The raider battalion organization also includes a Weapons Co, which should replace the HCo (1077). This Raider WCo has a company HQ, 4 sections of MMGs (1113), a lt mortar plt (1121), and an Inf-AT section (1112). Note: the 1st Raiders originally did have a 81mm mortar platoon, but these weapons were left in the States. [/B][/QUOTE] Thanks for the details - this is what I need for Formations fixes:cool:

o4r -> (3/18/2003 12:06:21 AM)
Talk about changing of OOB, I am presently preparing a short presentation on the topic of artillery which I quite disagree with most saying on AT and artillery pieces. Short to say, some field artillery pieces like Russian FH 76.2 mm gun are actually located as field artillery to Russian rather than true AT gun and they are given AT round to goes against tanks. But the sole main purpose is still as a artillery pieces but they were actually change to AT and lost their capaability as a FH. Guns like 88 are use very commonly as artillery pieces are not able to do so in our SPWAW version. So some AT gun are acutally artillery pieces and should be given the capability as a artillery pieces. Even Armerican Sherman or Russian SP 152 are commonly used as a artillery pieces. In fact any artillery pieces are able to use as a artillery if they are given HE round. Only some AT gun are specialist and should be classified as AT gun but the rest should be consider as artillery pieces and given back their capability but with more AT rounds.

Wild Bill -> (3/18/2003 1:58:58 AM)
I'm very pleased with these modifications and additionis. More nice tools and more accuracy. My heartiest kudos to the OOB team under Captain Marauder Melvin...WB

Bernie -> Re: SPwaw OOB Feedback (3/18/2003 3:53:05 AM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BryanMelvin [B]Can anyone chime in on current version 7.1 OOBa and let me know if you have seen any Formation oddities as well as imput on Formations, Weapons, etc.. In the works are a new set of OOBs due for release soon from Matrix. Many of the issues and errors of 7.1 oobs have been corrected. I would like to hear from anyone on 7.1 oobs so that I can recheck the new ones to see if I missed anything. Nation OOBs that I need info on would be: Italy Poland - 1939 Japan as well as any imput on other Nation's oobs:cool: [/B][/QUOTE] In a current PBEM with Orzel we've discovered some problems with the French Char B1 tanks. Specifically, the 75mm SA gun is both waaayyy too accurate and has been issued AP shells in addition to HE. From the research I've done all indications are that the Char B1 never used the 75mm in an anti-tank role, and AP ammo for it was not available. Also, with an ACC of 28, I feel it doesn't accurately portray the difficulties of using that gun. It was a fixed mount, with no traverse at all, the entire tank had to be "aimed" to use it. I've also seen some indications that the Char B1 actually had a 37mm SA gun, rather than the 47mm SA in the game. According to one source I found, the Char B1 [I]bis[/I] (an upgraded version of the Char B1) replaced the 37mm with the 47mm, and added thicker armor (60mm vs 40mm). Also, all the resources I've seen indicate that both tanks only had a single MG, not the two the OOB shows for the Char B1 [I]bis[/I].

ruxius -> (3/18/2003 4:21:00 AM)
uhm..still wondering about weapon size = 222 Manual says that is not an error but a special game code meaning that weapon will consider no difference between HE and AP rounds..only target makes the difference... That said it may seem explosives could be that way... what I ask your help for is about 20mm caliber AA guns... why ONLY 20mm ? and not also 37mm 40mm 75mm 90 mm ? Do you know any special reason for that ? Thx

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