Dramatic Effects Of Radar

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Von_Frag -> Dramatic Effects Of Radar (3/4/2003 9:16:32 PM)
I think I have seen some discussion on this earlier, so if this is a repeat.............tough.........;) After getting Dobodura built up and moving in air groups, I found the base lacking in a/c support so I moved an extra base force unit there. For protection I had 3 squadrons of P-40's which I set on escort 50%. Before this bf unit arrived, I would get the usual 36 fighters intercepting during raids. After the unit arrived, my interceptor numbers jumped to 72! Thinking I had put my CAP on 100% and not realizing it after too many brews, I checked and they were still set on 50%. Then I checked my bf units, and sure enough, the new one had 2 SCR-270's. None of my other bf units in theatre had any and I was not used to the results. This is a two edged sword however since it plays havoc with fatigue. So, until those 2 sets are destroyed by malaria, I'll keep putting up max intercepts..............:D BTW, will the new bug fix pertaining to malaria destroying radars carry over to other equipment like AA guns and such? Von Frag

Feinder -> (3/4/2003 9:25:31 PM)
Yep, radar seems to allow 100% of available fighters to scramble. A -big- help (and some would say a SERIOUS advantage for the Allies). This is the drum Knavey likes to beat. He's working on contracts at the moment tho, and may not see this thread (grin). -F-

mogami -> Radar (3/5/2003 2:14:29 AM)
Hi, Because radar allows the fighters on the ground to scramble, you do not need to set CAP as high. This allows more pilots to rest on days where no combat occurs.

Mr.Frag -> (3/5/2003 3:05:40 AM)
Funny that no Japan units get radar of any sort ... just another huge advantage for the allied player... Hopefully these units can still be damaged in base attacks with the new patch. While I agreed with the fix since they were never getting repaired at ALL, I hope we haven't swung full circle to where they can never be hurt now ...

Yamamoto -> (3/5/2003 3:14:36 AM)
They should make it so that if a Japanese ship with radar is in a base hex the base should get the same radar benefit as if the base itself had radar. Are there any Japanese land-based radar units in the database, for custom scenarios, even if they don't exist in any of the regular scenarios? Would assigning ANY radar to a base give the same benefit? Yamamoto

Von_Frag -> (3/5/2003 3:23:08 AM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Yamamoto [B]They should make it so that if a Japanese ship with radar is in a base hex the base should get the same radar benefit as if the base itself had radar. Are there any Japanese land-based radar units in the database, for custom scenarios, even if they don't exist in any of the regular scenarios? Would assigning ANY radar to a base give the same benefit? Yamamoto [/B][/QUOTE] But the ship has no direct connection to the airfield. I suppose they could use radio, telephone or signals. Depends on distance etc. Von Frag

Feinder -> (3/5/2003 3:25:01 AM)
"Funny that no Japan units get radar of any sort ... just another huge advantage for the allied player..." - MrFrag Actually, the IJN does get radar on several ships (altho not nearly as many as the USN). The "Yagumo" class destroyers are all equipped with Type 13 Radar (air search), and it appears that plunking one of these guys into your TF with your CVs, gives you "standard" radar benefits (100% scramble). There's also a class of CLs that has it as I recall. But you don't have to have the air search radar on the CV for it to be effective (it can be on any ship in the TF). I agree tho, IJN is woefully (and a-historically) lacking in radar sets. Most of their BBs were fitted with radar (altho I'm not sure it's the air-search type). I posted a few threads for AAA/Radar upgrades suggestions for IJN battleships last week (I only listed BBs, because that's all I could find information on). But I'd also wager that many IJN CVs were fitted radar, or received it in refit. -F-

mogami -> Japanese Radar (3/5/2003 11:56:26 AM)
Hi, Some data on Japanese Radar. Type 11 Became Operational June 1943 War Status used operationally in war Installed ground, shore fixed Purpose anti-air Wavelength 300 cm Peak Output 40 kw Transmitter parallel two wire Receiver UN-954 Detector RE-3 Detected aircraft, group at 250 km, single at 130 km Weight 8700 kg Number Built 30 Antennae dipole array with mat type reflector, send and receive separate use Type 12 Became Operational April 1944 War Status used operationally in war Installed ground movable Purpose anti-air Wavelength 200 cm and 150 cm Peak Output 5 kw Transmitter parallel two wire Receiver UN-954 Detector RE-3 Detected aircraft, group at 100 km, single at 50 km Weight 6000 kg Number Built 50 Antennae dipole array with mat type reflector, send and receive separate use Type 13 Became Operational operationally March 1943, experimentally 1941 War Status wide operational use in war Installed ground, surface ship and submarine portable Purpose anti-air Wavelength 200 cm Peak Output 10 kw Transmitter parallel two wire Receiver UN-954 Detector n/a Detected aircraft, group at 100 km, single at 50 km Weight 110 kg Number Built 1000 Antennae dipole array with mat type reflector, send and receive common use Ships equipped with Type 13 CL and Larger 1941 month unknown Oi, Kitakami (only 2 IJN ships to begin war with radar) 1943 June Katori, Kashima, Kashii October Yamato, Musashi 1944 May Nachi, Ashigara, Haguro, Myoko June Atago, Takao, Maya July Junyo, Oyodo, Noshiro, Yahagi - 2 sets in Noshiro and Yahagi August Amagi, Unryu October Nagato, Katsuragi - 2 sets in the latter November Sakawa - 2 sets 1945 January Kitakami receives 2nd set DD and smaller. 1942 March Kazegumo, Makigumo June Naganami July Akigumo, Yugumo August Makinami, Takanami December Onami 1943 January Kiyonami March Tamanami July Fujinami, Hayanami, Suzunami October Hachijo, Hamanami, Ishigaki, Kunashiri, Shumushu November Asashimo December Kishinami, Okinami 1944 February D2, D8, D10, Hayashimo March D4, D6, D12, D14, D16, D18, D20, D22,D24, Akishima May D26, D28, Kiyoshimo June Akebono, Amakusa, C1, C3, C5,C7, C9, C11, C13, C15, C17, C19, D30, D32, Etorofu, Fukue, Hibiki, Hiburi, Hirato, Kanju, Kasado, Manju, Matsuwa, Oki, Sado, Shikinami, Shimakze, Tsushima, Uranami, Ushio, Usugumo July C21, C25, C27, C43, Shonan, Uhuru August C29, C31, C33, D34, D38, D42, D44, D46, D130, Daito, Okinawa September C23, C39, C51, C61, D52, D54, D56, D132, D134, Kume October C35, C41, C63, C205, C207, D36, D50, D64, D66, D112, D138, Ikuna, Shinnan, Yaku November C37, C47, C49, C53, C67, D60, D68, D72, D144 December Aguni, C45, C55, C69, C81, C215, D40, D74, D76, D82, D84, D118, D150, Chikubu, Inagi, Shisaka 1945 January C57, C219, D102, D104, D106, Habushi, Sakito February C59, C65, C213, D124, D154, D186, D190, D192, Kozu, Mokuto, Oga March C71, C77, D48, D126, D156, D194, D196, D198, Hodaka, Kanawa, Shiga April C73, C75, C221, D158, D200, Amami, Habuto, Ikara, Takane May C79, C85, C87, C225 June C227 July C95, C217, D202, D204, Ikino August C160 November D116 month unknown Kuga, Ugu Type 14 Became Operational May 1945 War Status used operationally in war Installed shore line ground target type Purpose long range anti-air Wavelength 600 cm Peak Output 100 kw Transmitter parallel two wire Receiver UN-954 Detector n/a Detected aircraft, group at 360 km, single at 250 km Weight 30000 kg Number Built 2 Antennae unknown Type 21 Became Operational August 1943 War Status used operationally in war Installed surface ship Purpose anti-air, surface detection Wavelength 150 cm Peak Output 5 kw Transmitter parallel two wire Receiver UN-954 Detector RE-3 Detected aircraft, group at 100 km, single at 70 km, surface ship (large) 20 km Weight 840 kg Number Built unknown, small number Antennae dipole array with mat type reflector, send and receive separate use Once source indicates only 1 set of this type built, but same source indicates it was installed on numerous ships. At least 30-40 sets built and used operationally. Type 21 was the first Japanese air search radar that was power rotated, previous models had to be hand cranked to rotate. It was also the first set that gave good enough target definition to obtain rough estimates of height. 1942 April Ise 1943 January Taiyo, Chuyo, Unyo November Kaiyo December Shinyo 1944 May Nachi, Ashigara, Haguro, Myoko June Atago, Takao, Maya July Junyo, Oyodo August Amagi, Unryu October Nagato, Katsuragi - 2 sets in the latter 1943 March Niitsuki May Wakatsuki June Akizuki, Hatsutsuki 1944 March Shimotsuki May Fuyutsuki June Suzutsuki December Harutsuki, Yoitsuki 1945 January Hanatsuki Natsutsuki Type 22 Became Operational War Status wide operational use in war Installed surface ships, submarines Purpose anti-air, surface dectection and gunnery control Wavelength 10 cm Peak Output 2 kw Transmitter magnetron Receiver crystal Detector n/a Detected aircraft, group at 35 km, single at 17 km, surface ship (large) 34.5 km Weight surface ships 1320 kg, submarines 2140 kg Number Built 300 Antennae horn type, send and receive separate use Major Ships 1942 October Kongo, Haruna, Hyuga 1943 June Katori, Kashima, Kashii October Yamato, Musashi - 2 sets each 1944 May Nachi, Ashigara, Haguro, Myoko - 2 sets each June Ise June Fuso, Yamashiro may possibly have had Type 22 radar installed at this time July Oyodo 1945 January Kitagami Destroyers And Light Warships 1942 March Kazegumo, Makigumo June Hamakaze, Naganami July Akigumo, Yugumo August Makinami, Takanami December Onami 1943 January Kiyonami March Niitsuki, Tamanami May Wakatsuki June Akizuki, Hatsutsuki July Fujinami, Hayanami, Suzunami October Hamanami November Asashimo December Kishinami, Okinami 1944 February D2, D8, D10, Hayashimo March Akishima, D4, D6, D12, D14, D16, D18, D20, D22, D24, Shimotsuki April Matsu May D26, D28, Fuyutsuki, Kiyoshimo June Akebono, C1, C3, C5, C7, C9, C11, C13, C15, C17, C19, D30, D32, Hibiki, Hiburi, Isokaze, Momo, Nowaki, Shikinami, Shimakze, Shiranuhi, Suzutsuki, Take, Ume, Urakaze, Uranami, Ushio, Usugumo and Yukikaze July C21, C25, C27, C43 Kuwa, Shonan, Uhuru August C29, C31, C33, D34, D38, D42, D44, D46, D130 Daito, Kiri, Maki, Okinawa, Sugi September C23, C39, C51, C61, D52, D54, D56, D132, D134, Hinoki, Kashi, Kaya, Kume, Momi October C35, C41, C63, C205, C207, D36, D50, D64, D66, D112, D138, Ikuna, Kaede, Shinnan, Yaku November C37, C47, C49, C53, C67, D60, D68, D72, D144, Nara, Sakura, Tsubaki December Aguni, C45, C55, C69, C81, C215, D40, D74, D76, D82, D84, D118, D150, Chikubu, Harutsuki, Inagi, Keyaki, Shisaka, Yoitsuki 1945 January C57, C219, D102, D104, D106, Habushi, Hanatsuki, Nire, Sakito, Tachibana, Yanagi February C59, C65, C213, D124, D154, D186, D190, D192, Kozu, Mokuto, Oga, Tsuta March C71, C77, D48, D126, D156, D194, D196, D198 Enoki, Hagi, Hodaka, Kaki, Kanawa, Nashi, Shiga, Shii, Sumire April Amami, C73, C75, C221, D158, D200 Habuto, Ikara, Kusunoki, Natsutsuki, Takane May C79, C85, C87, C225, Hatsuzakura, Kaba, Odake June C227, Hatsuyume, Iwo July C95, C217, D202, D204, Ikino August D160 November D116 month unknown Kuga, Uku Type H-6 (airborne) Became Operational August 1942 War Status used operationally in war Installed large flying boats, mid-sized attack planes (H8K, G4M2, P1Y, J1N1-S/11, J1N1-Sa/11a) Purpose air and surface search Wavelength 200 cm Peak Output 3 kw Transmitter parallel two wire Receiver UN-954 Detector n/a Detected aircraft, group at 100 km, single at 70 km Weight 110 kg Number Built 2000 Antennae Yagi type, send and receive common use Source Japanese Radar Of World War II by Martin Favorite

SoulBlazer -> (3/5/2003 12:43:38 PM)
Good information, Mogami. Looks very similar to what's on the Combined Fleet website. Maybe between both those sources we can convience Matrix that more Japanese ships should be eligable for a radar isntaliation if sent back during 1943.

Mr.Frag -> (3/5/2003 9:12:19 PM)
Who cares about the ships, fight at night, the Allies are hopeless :D The biggie is the land based, as the effectiveness of being able to keep rested CAP ready to pounce can not be overrated.

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