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Dramatic Effects Of Radar - 3/4/2003 9:16:32 PM

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I think I have seen some discussion on this earlier, so if this is a repeat.............tough.........;)

After getting Dobodura built up and moving in air groups, I found the base lacking in a/c support so I moved an extra base force unit there. For protection I had 3 squadrons of P-40's which I set on escort 50%. Before this bf unit arrived, I would get the usual 36 fighters intercepting during raids. After the unit arrived, my interceptor numbers jumped to 72! Thinking I had put my CAP on 100% and not realizing it after too many brews, I checked and they were still set on 50%. Then I checked my bf units, and sure enough, the new one had 2 SCR-270's. None of my other bf units in theatre had any and I was not used to the results. This is a two edged sword however since it plays havoc with fatigue. So, until those 2 sets are destroyed by malaria, I'll keep putting up max intercepts..............:D

BTW, will the new bug fix pertaining to malaria destroying radars carry over to other equipment like AA guns and such?

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- 3/4/2003 9:25:31 PM

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Yep, radar seems to allow 100% of available fighters to scramble. A -big- help (and some would say a SERIOUS advantage for the Allies). This is the drum Knavey likes to beat. He's working on contracts at the moment tho, and may not see this thread (*grin*).

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Radar - 3/5/2003 2:14:29 AM

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Hi, Because radar allows the fighters on the ground to scramble, you do not need to set CAP as high. This allows more pilots to rest on days where no combat occurs.

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- 3/5/2003 3:05:40 AM

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Funny that no Japan units get radar of any sort ... just another huge advantage for the allied player...

Hopefully these units can still be damaged in base attacks with the new patch. While I agreed with the fix since they were never getting repaired at ALL, I hope we haven't swung full circle to where they can never be hurt now ...

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- 3/5/2003 3:14:36 AM

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They should make it so that if a Japanese ship with radar is in a base hex the base should get the same radar benefit as if the base itself had radar.

Are there any Japanese land-based radar units in the database, for custom scenarios, even if they don't exist in any of the regular scenarios? Would assigning ANY radar to a base give the same benefit?

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- 3/5/2003 3:23:08 AM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Yamamoto
[B]They should make it so that if a Japanese ship with radar is in a base hex the base should get the same radar benefit as if the base itself had radar.

Are there any Japanese land-based radar units in the database, for custom scenarios, even if they don't exist in any of the regular scenarios? Would assigning ANY radar to a base give the same benefit?

Yamamoto [/B][/QUOTE]

But the ship has no direct connection to the airfield. I suppose they could use radio, telephone or signals. Depends on distance etc.

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- 3/5/2003 3:25:01 AM

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"Funny that no Japan units get radar of any sort ... just another huge advantage for the allied player..." - MrFrag

Actually, the IJN does get radar on several ships (altho not nearly as many as the USN). The "Yagumo" class destroyers are all equipped with Type 13 Radar (air search), and it appears that plunking one of these guys into your TF with your CVs, gives you "standard" radar benefits (100% scramble). There's also a class of CLs that has it as I recall. But you don't have to have the air search radar on the CV for it to be effective (it can be on any ship in the TF).

I agree tho, IJN is woefully (and a-historically) lacking in radar sets. Most of their BBs were fitted with radar (altho I'm not sure it's the air-search type). I posted a few threads for AAA/Radar upgrades suggestions for IJN battleships last week (I only listed BBs, because that's all I could find information on). But I'd also wager that many IJN CVs were fitted radar, or received it in refit.

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Japanese Radar - 3/5/2003 11:56:26 AM

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Hi, Some data on Japanese Radar.

Type 11

Became Operational
June 1943

War Status
used operationally in war

Installed
ground, shore fixed

Purpose
anti-air

Wavelength
300 cm

Peak Output
40 kw

Transmitter
parallel two wire

Receiver
UN-954

Detector
RE-3

Detected
aircraft, group at 250 km, single at 130 km

Weight
8700 kg

Number Built
30

Antennae
dipole array with mat type reflector, send and receive separate use

Type 12
Became Operational
April 1944

War Status
used operationally in war

Installed
ground movable

Purpose
anti-air

Wavelength
200 cm and 150 cm

Peak Output
5 kw

Transmitter
parallel two wire

Receiver
UN-954

Detector
RE-3

Detected
aircraft, group at 100 km, single at 50 km

Weight
6000 kg

Number Built
50

Antennae
dipole array with mat type reflector, send and receive separate use

Type 13
Became Operational
operationally March 1943, experimentally 1941

War Status
wide operational use in war

Installed
ground, surface ship and submarine portable

Purpose
anti-air

Wavelength
200 cm

Peak Output
10 kw

Transmitter
parallel two wire

Receiver
UN-954

Detector
n/a

Detected
aircraft, group at 100 km, single at 50 km

Weight
110 kg

Number Built
1000

Antennae
dipole array with mat type reflector, send and receive common use

Ships equipped with Type 13 CL and Larger
1941
month unknown
Oi, Kitakami (only 2 IJN ships to begin war with radar)

1943
June
Katori, Kashima, Kashii

October
Yamato, Musashi

1944
May
Nachi, Ashigara, Haguro, Myoko

June
Atago, Takao, Maya

July
Junyo, Oyodo, Noshiro, Yahagi - 2 sets in Noshiro and Yahagi

August
Amagi, Unryu

October
Nagato, Katsuragi - 2 sets in the latter

November
Sakawa - 2 sets

1945
January
Kitakami receives 2nd set

DD and smaller.
1942
March
Kazegumo, Makigumo

June
Naganami

July
Akigumo, Yugumo

August
Makinami, Takanami

December
Onami

1943
January
Kiyonami

March
Tamanami

July
Fujinami, Hayanami, Suzunami

October
Hachijo, Hamanami, Ishigaki, Kunashiri, Shumushu

November
Asashimo

December
Kishinami, Okinami

1944
February
D2, D8, D10, Hayashimo

March
D4, D6, D12, D14, D16, D18, D20, D22,D24, Akishima

May
D26, D28, Kiyoshimo

June
Akebono, Amakusa, C1, C3, C5,C7, C9, C11, C13, C15, C17, C19, D30, D32, Etorofu, Fukue, Hibiki, Hiburi, Hirato, Kanju, Kasado, Manju, Matsuwa, Oki, Sado, Shikinami, Shimakze, Tsushima, Uranami, Ushio, Usugumo

July
C21, C25, C27, C43, Shonan, Uhuru

August
C29, C31, C33, D34, D38, D42, D44, D46, D130, Daito, Okinawa

September
C23, C39, C51, C61, D52, D54, D56, D132, D134, Kume

October
C35, C41, C63, C205, C207, D36, D50, D64, D66, D112, D138, Ikuna, Shinnan, Yaku

November
C37, C47, C49, C53, C67, D60, D68, D72, D144

December
Aguni, C45, C55, C69, C81, C215, D40, D74, D76, D82, D84, D118, D150, Chikubu, Inagi, Shisaka

1945
January
C57, C219, D102, D104, D106, Habushi, Sakito

February
C59, C65, C213, D124, D154, D186, D190, D192, Kozu, Mokuto, Oga

March
C71, C77, D48, D126, D156, D194, D196, D198, Hodaka, Kanawa, Shiga

April
C73, C75, C221, D158, D200, Amami, Habuto, Ikara, Takane

May
C79, C85, C87, C225

June
C227

July
C95, C217, D202, D204, Ikino

August
C160

November
D116

month unknown
Kuga, Ugu

Type 14
Became Operational
May 1945

War Status
used operationally in war

Installed
shore line ground target type

Purpose
long range anti-air

Wavelength
600 cm

Peak Output
100 kw

Transmitter
parallel two wire

Receiver
UN-954

Detector
n/a

Detected
aircraft, group at 360 km, single at 250 km

Weight
30000 kg

Number Built
2

Antennae
unknown

Type 21
Became Operational
August 1943

War Status
used operationally in war

Installed
surface ship

Purpose
anti-air, surface detection

Wavelength
150 cm

Peak Output
5 kw

Transmitter
parallel two wire

Receiver
UN-954

Detector
RE-3

Detected
aircraft, group at 100 km, single at 70 km, surface ship (large) 20 km

Weight
840 kg

Number Built
unknown, small number

Antennae
dipole array with mat type reflector, send and receive separate use

Once source indicates only 1 set of this type built, but same source indicates it was installed on numerous ships. At least 30-40 sets built and used operationally. Type 21 was the first Japanese air search radar that was power rotated, previous models had to be hand cranked to rotate. It was also the first set that gave good enough target definition to obtain rough estimates of height.

1942
April
Ise

1943
January
Taiyo, Chuyo, Unyo

November
Kaiyo

December
Shinyo

1944
May
Nachi, Ashigara, Haguro, Myoko

June
Atago, Takao, Maya

July
Junyo, Oyodo

August
Amagi, Unryu

October
Nagato, Katsuragi - 2 sets in the latter

1943
March
Niitsuki

May
Wakatsuki

June
Akizuki, Hatsutsuki

1944
March
Shimotsuki

May
Fuyutsuki

June
Suzutsuki

December
Harutsuki, Yoitsuki

1945
January
Hanatsuki

Natsutsuki

Type 22
Became Operational

War Status
wide operational use in war

Installed
surface ships, submarines

Purpose
anti-air, surface dectection and gunnery control

Wavelength
10 cm

Peak Output
2 kw

Transmitter
magnetron

Receiver
crystal

Detector
n/a

Detected
aircraft, group at 35 km, single at 17 km, surface ship (large) 34.5 km

Weight
surface ships 1320 kg, submarines 2140 kg

Number Built
300

Antennae
horn type, send and receive separate use

Major Ships

1942
October
Kongo, Haruna, Hyuga

1943
June
Katori, Kashima, Kashii

October
Yamato, Musashi - 2 sets each

1944
May
Nachi, Ashigara, Haguro, Myoko - 2 sets each

June
Ise

June
Fuso, Yamashiro may possibly have had Type 22 radar installed at this time

July
Oyodo

1945
January
Kitagami

Destroyers And Light Warships

1942
March
Kazegumo, Makigumo

June
Hamakaze, Naganami

July
Akigumo, Yugumo

August
Makinami, Takanami

December
Onami

1943
January
Kiyonami

March
Niitsuki, Tamanami

May
Wakatsuki

June
Akizuki, Hatsutsuki

July
Fujinami, Hayanami, Suzunami

October
Hamanami

November
Asashimo

December
Kishinami, Okinami

1944
February
D2, D8, D10, Hayashimo

March
Akishima, D4, D6, D12, D14, D16, D18, D20, D22, D24, Shimotsuki

April
Matsu

May
D26, D28, Fuyutsuki, Kiyoshimo

June
Akebono, C1, C3, C5, C7, C9, C11, C13, C15, C17, C19, D30, D32, Hibiki, Hiburi, Isokaze, Momo, Nowaki, Shikinami, Shimakze, Shiranuhi, Suzutsuki, Take, Ume, Urakaze, Uranami, Ushio, Usugumo and Yukikaze

July
C21, C25, C27, C43 Kuwa, Shonan, Uhuru

August
C29, C31, C33, D34, D38, D42, D44, D46, D130 Daito, Kiri, Maki, Okinawa, Sugi

September
C23, C39, C51, C61, D52, D54, D56, D132, D134, Hinoki, Kashi, Kaya, Kume, Momi

October
C35, C41, C63, C205, C207, D36, D50, D64, D66, D112, D138, Ikuna, Kaede, Shinnan, Yaku

November
C37, C47, C49, C53, C67, D60, D68, D72, D144, Nara, Sakura, Tsubaki

December
Aguni, C45, C55, C69, C81, C215, D40, D74, D76, D82, D84, D118, D150, Chikubu, Harutsuki, Inagi, Keyaki, Shisaka, Yoitsuki

1945
January
C57, C219, D102, D104, D106, Habushi, Hanatsuki, Nire, Sakito, Tachibana, Yanagi

February
C59, C65, C213, D124, D154, D186, D190, D192, Kozu, Mokuto, Oga, Tsuta

March
C71, C77, D48, D126, D156, D194, D196, D198 Enoki, Hagi, Hodaka, Kaki, Kanawa, Nashi, Shiga, Shii, Sumire

April
Amami, C73, C75, C221, D158, D200 Habuto, Ikara, Kusunoki, Natsutsuki, Takane

May
C79, C85, C87, C225, Hatsuzakura, Kaba, Odake

June
C227, Hatsuyume, Iwo

July
C95, C217, D202, D204, Ikino

August
D160

November
D116

month unknown
Kuga, Uku

Type H-6 (airborne)
Became Operational
August 1942

War Status
used operationally in war

Installed
large flying boats, mid-sized attack planes (H8K, G4M2, P1Y, J1N1-S/11, J1N1-Sa/11a)

Purpose
air and surface search

Wavelength
200 cm

Peak Output
3 kw

Transmitter
parallel two wire

Receiver
UN-954

Detector
n/a

Detected
aircraft, group at 100 km, single at 70 km

Weight
110 kg

Number Built
2000

Antennae
Yagi type, send and receive common use

Source
Japanese Radar Of World War II
by Martin Favorite

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- 3/5/2003 12:43:38 PM

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Good information, Mogami. Looks very similar to what's on the Combined Fleet website. Maybe between both those sources we can convience Matrix that more Japanese ships should be eligable for a radar isntaliation if sent back during 1943.

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- 3/5/2003 9:12:19 PM

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Who cares about the ships, fight at night, the Allies are hopeless :D

The biggie is the land based, as the effectiveness of being able to keep rested CAP ready to pounce can not be overrated.

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