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Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (5/15/2018 7:52:33 AM)

Sounds like a Great Bargain.
China will pull back its tariffs on US pork and wine.




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (5/15/2018 10:21:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Hongjian

Sounds like a Great Bargain.
China will pull back its tariffs on US pork and wine.
This guy has answered in regard to the general reactions:

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"It's always fun to see the diehard Trump supporters justify this complete about-face from Trump's earlier position. It destroys the Iran sanctions argument, it directly contradicts his argument about Chinese jobs and goes against the whole MAGA thing (by propping up Chinese corporations). It's opposite day, and the people tying themselves in knots justifying this are once again highlighting their lack of integrity." - Gary Patterson

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Also, the second Chinese carrier also installed FQF-6000 on each sides, but why there is not even one person or report had stated they can launch anti-torpedo rockets? TheDrive's article about it has drawn lots of comments about how to sink it with torpedoes, and nobody saying it's a 'sitting duck' who would love some torps for lunch:

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/20833/motherships-day-chinas-new-carrier-sets-sail-french-fly-from-uss-george-h-w-bush

And according to Henri's report, the new carrier also installed many anti-diver dispensers too:

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kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (5/15/2018 1:59:49 PM)

The ultimate rhetorical question:

https://www.defensenews.com/global/asia-pacific/2018/05/14/why-is-china-expanding-its-airbase-160-miles-from-taiwan/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ebb%205/15/18&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (5/16/2018 1:22:40 AM)

Pro-gun and anti-gun topics are capable to capsized the president and candidates' credibilities. But what about pro-drone and anti-drone?

Major amount of comments whom downvoted are accused by empathizing Russian and Chinese drones developments to equalize US military superiority, but so are the people whom saying US is already so powerful that even without drones can be challenged. An irony however, is the major amounts of liberal supporters suggest to develop other measures to counter drones because of the civil abuses rather than military threats:

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/05/google-employees-resign-in-protest-of-googlepentagon-drone-program/




IainMcNeil -> RE: Naval and Defense News (5/16/2018 10:11:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Hongjian

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If negotiators want to insult China, they better save their breathe. An expected disagreement seals the fate of trade war's encroachment:

https://mobile.twitter.com/HenriKenhmann/status/992428579102244864



I think demands like that are not aimed at trade war, but real war.

[image]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcXQM28V0AAi3U0.jpg[/image]

If the demands included that every Chinese should pay the US 1000 dollars a year and that China should stop STEM education at their universities, it wouldnt look out of place. Might also add the demand that China should import million tons of Opium per year from US-owned poppy fields in Afghanistan for good measure...

Demands like these arent "negotiating". Demands like these are typically followed by an ultimatum and threat of all-out war.

Looks like "Made in China 2025" really is the bane to the Western world. Understandable, since the entire West is threatened to loose their lifelihoods and markets once China can churn out comparable high technology at cheaper prices due to state support enabled by China's political and economic system. China would truly be a Japan+USSR on steroids, unstoppable by US enforced Plaza Accords (because unlike Japan, China isnt occupied by US troops), unable to be brought down by the lack of it's own ecoomic growth and lack of consumer goods (because unlike the USSR, China's economy isnt just growing, but the individual chinese purchasing power is also growing)... The sum of all western fears.




Guys this is politics and this is not permitted on the forum. There are plenty of places to discuss this, but here is not one of them.




kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (5/16/2018 1:07:42 PM)

Thanks for reminding us so kindly. Our enthusiasm for defense news will at times cross over into geopolitics (trade and shipping lanes) and then wander into straight politics were a player's non-defense related philosophies take over.

Kevin




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (5/16/2018 1:40:00 PM)

I would like to cite more military hardware news from Chinese news sites, but given by their increasingly absurd tones and not everybody can understand Chinese, I have difficulty to find these sources in English either.

And some of my non-military news are serving as tangents, which I must say it does induce some political and philosophical perspectives in it. I find it not all players would buy what they said, let alone making a scenario about it.

I will slow down and looking for translational solutions instead of quick-posting, I must admit here and apologize.




kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (5/16/2018 2:59:46 PM)

Symbolic bridge linking Crimea with Russia over the Kerch Strait opened by Vladimir Putin:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/crimea-bridge-to-russia-opened-by-vladimir-putin-today-2018-05-15/

Nice target for JASSM-ER.




AlGrant -> RE: Naval and Defense News (5/17/2018 10:13:42 AM)


I knew they had problems but didn't realise the Argentine navy/airforce was in such a bad condition

"After a significant period of decline, Argentina has ceased to be a capable military force."
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/argentina-has-now-ceased-to-be-a-capable-military-power/

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Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (5/17/2018 10:57:50 AM)

Sudanese Air Force has received 5 FTC-2000 trainers, originally called JL-9 used by PLAAF:

http://www.janes.com/article/80108/sudan-s-new-ftc-2000-jets-arrive
http://www.aviationanalysis.net/2018/05/sudan-inducts-chinese-ftc-2000-fighter.html

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Broncepulido -> RE: Naval and Defense News (5/17/2018 1:45:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Dysta

I would like to cite more military hardware news from Chinese news sites, but given by their increasingly absurd tones and not everybody can understand Chinese, I have difficulty to find these sources in English either.

And some of my non-military news are serving as tangents, which I must say it does induce some political and philosophical perspectives in it. I find it not all players would buy what they said, let alone making a scenario about it.

I will slow down and looking for translational solutions instead of quick-posting, I must admit here and apologize.

Thanks everytime, Dysta!




kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (5/18/2018 3:02:00 PM)

A little esoteric for the DB:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5744781/Israel-builds-missile-net-border-protect-airport.html

Been in the news before:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5744781/Israel-builds-missile-net-border-protect-airport.html

I wonder if a lesser, but still relevant, operational effect could be achieved with a non-nuke version. Flooding port facilities without poisoning the ocean.

- Kevin




Filitch -> RE: Naval and Defense News (5/18/2018 7:58:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kevinkin

Symbolic bridge linking Crimea with Russia over the Kerch Strait opened by Vladimir Putin:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/crimea-bridge-to-russia-opened-by-vladimir-putin-today-2018-05-15/

Nice target for JASSM-ER.

Be carefull with such talks

Russia opens criminal case against US citizen who called for blowing up Crimean Bridge




kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (5/18/2018 8:43:00 PM)

No worries ... was talking about simulation. And a scenario to that effect is on the way. Thanks for the link. I may use it in the briefing. On second thought, never mind, it's from TASS.

Kevin




Filitch -> RE: Naval and Defense News (5/19/2018 5:32:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kevinkin

No worries ... was talking about simulation. And a scenario to that effect is on the way. Thanks for the link. I may use it in the briefing. On second thought, never mind, it's from TASS.

Kevin


Rogan's article also violates international law: the Convention on the Suppression of Bomb Terrorism, adopted by UN Resolution 52/164 in 1997. One of its points says that any actions that contribute to the commission of a terrorist act are considered a crime.
So in theory they can be bring to justice by US court.




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (5/19/2018 5:57:50 AM)

A sequence shot of J-20 when doing the sharp turn. Can someone help me calculate the angle?

[image]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/967/41303745125_75dddfe789_o.jpg[/image]




kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (5/19/2018 12:53:38 PM)

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Rogan's article also violates international law:


The dude needs to take his geopolitical frustrations out in CMANO. Here we can "kill off" NATO and Russians in huge numbers with "You Brexit, You Fix it!" and even sandbox the complete annihilation of any entity he wants with "nukes". Threatening an inanimate object like a bridge is child's play.




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (5/19/2018 1:24:51 PM)

A God of War was deployed in Paracel island airfield. CSIS and SCMP are published long journals about PLAAF's bomber garrison and what it can do in SCS:

https://amti.csis.org/china-lands-first-bomber-south-china-sea-island/
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2146870/chinas-air-force-says-its-h-6k-strategic-bomber-took

EDIT: Added ChinaDaily journal:

http://www.china.org.cn/china/2018-05/19/content_51409658.htm

Also, expect some radical comments when news outlet added "Nuclear" on it:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/79e64e68-0c64-3c05-b7ba-7d8256dd05bd/ss_beijing-lands-nuclear-bombers.html




Filitch -> RE: Naval and Defense News (5/19/2018 8:49:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kevinkin

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Rogan's article also violates international law:


The dude needs to take his geopolitical frustrations out in CMANO. Here we can "kill off" NATO and Russians in huge numbers with "You Brexit, You Fix it!" and even sandbox the complete annihilation of any entity he wants with "nukes". Threatening an inanimate object like a bridge is child's play.

Be calm. I mean real life no CMANO. This thread is about real life news, isn't it?




kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (5/19/2018 10:29:16 PM)

Yup. And we enjoy it.





Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (5/21/2018 1:51:57 AM)

I have not find the similar news about it, but Cao has twitted a rumor about a newer KJ-500 AWACS will receive L-Band radar upgrade along with IFR probe. Previously KJ-series EW radars are run on S-Band only:

https://mobile.twitter.com/xinfengcao/status/998169459348180992




Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (5/21/2018 10:33:55 AM)

https://twitter.com/xinfengcao/status/998105813280575488

The two Type 055s at Dalian are now painted and should be ready for launch by next month.

Makes three 055s for 2018, when they indeed launch.

[image]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ddn3X4fV4AI2eh_.jpg[/image]




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (5/21/2018 12:21:49 PM)

Many forum netizens are exchanging rumors and doubts over a recent news about Su-30MKI picked up J-20's signature near Tibet region, stated by one of the Indian local news. Originally the statement is announced by IAF spokesman on late March, but until few days ago this news has put afloat and many Western medias follows the report at the same time. However, it seems the seller of Su-30, Russia, is actually the mastermind for such propaganda:

https://sputniknews.com/asia/201803231062835269-chinese-j20-not-undetectable-iaf/ (23 March 2018)
https://sputniknews.com/military/201805191064607135-chinese-stealth-jet-detected/ (19 May 2018, ironic that Sputnik didn't state their own older source!)

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Budget time:

https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/james_e._fanell_hpsci_testimony_-_final_-_17may18.pdf




Sharana -> RE: Naval and Defense News (5/21/2018 4:59:08 PM)

Nothing unbelievable. If it flies somewhere close to the border J-20 will have the Luneburg lens. On the J-20 photo in the articles you posted it even has one. With such RCS there is no wonder that it's picked up, on radar it should be almost as big as some Boeing or Airbus. Can find you enough articles where the Chinese say they detected F-22. Well of course they detected it with RCS enhancer, no one would let 5th gen jets fly in peace time without them if they are close to potential enemies.
[img]https://cdn1.img.sputniknews.com/images/104709/31/1047093162.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i52.tinypic.com/11lrjtl.jpg[/img]

F-35 even has 3.
[img]http://image.chinatopix.com/data/thumbs/full/107923/600/0/0/0/visibly-invisible.jpg[/img]




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (5/22/2018 6:55:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sharana

Nothing unbelievable. If it flies somewhere close to the border J-20 will have the Luneburg lens. On the J-20 photo in the articles you posted it even has one. With such RCS there is no wonder that it's picked up, on radar it should be almost as big as some Boeing or Airbus. Can find you enough articles where the Chinese say they detected F-22. Well of course they detected it with RCS enhancer, no one would let 5th gen jets fly in peace time without them if they are close to potential enemies.

The airfield however, does have Y-20 stationed previously. If IAF can mistaken Y-20 as J-20, then I'm not surprised either:

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/BQ9rSzY3msGnPZEEqTAyzg
(Translated to English)
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Nevertheless, they did not denied the Chinese state report about the deployment of "20" at the plateau, because:

"Y-20 military transit to plateau airfield."

Say, are Indian actually saw that kind of "20"?




Dragon029 -> RE: Naval and Defense News (5/22/2018 12:06:22 PM)

https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2018/05/22/the-f-35-just-made-its-combat-debut/

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Lockheed Martin’s F-35 has seen combat for the first time.

The Israel Defense Forces announced on its Twitter account that the Israeli version of the aircraft, using its “Adir” moniker was used in operational missions.

“The Adir planes are already operational and flying in operational missions,” the tweet said, quoting Israel Air Force head Maj. Gen. Amikam Norkin. “We are the first in the world to use the F-35 in operational activity.”

The Israeli Air Force used the F-35 in two recent strikes in Syria, Norkin said, according to the news outlet Haaretz.




tjhkkr -> RE: Naval and Defense News (5/22/2018 10:59:39 PM)

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israel-says-it-is-the-first-country-to-use-us-made-f-35-in-combat/ar-AAxCaFS

I did not know that Israelis used the F-35...
WOW!




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (5/23/2018 2:08:01 AM)

Could the Putin's official mouthpiece denied the failure of Project Plutoski, tells the existence of such weapon?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5758059/amp/Putins-unlimited-range-nuclear-cruise-missile-crashed-22-miles-tests.html
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/22/kremlin-denies-putins-unlimited-range-nuclear-miss/

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Also, another F-35 fiasco trigger a same, expected debate wherether pitting against China with it is a good idea. However, they are way too focused on partial sense of quality/quantity discussions, and failed to point out the importance of combat range for stealth fighters:

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/05/navys-f-35-doesnt-have-range-for-real-stealth-strikes-house-report-says/




Filitch -> RE: Naval and Defense News (5/23/2018 10:05:50 AM)

Four ballistic missile salvo by Pr.955 Borey-class.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUdIUdouLv0




tjhkkr -> RE: Naval and Defense News (5/23/2018 7:23:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Filitch
Four ballistic missile salvo by Pr.955 Borey-class.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUdIUdouLv0

Yeah, I would have to say that was impressive -- even without a soundtrack music (yes, I know it is the real thing.)
Thank you; that was interesting to watch.




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