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Filitch -> RE: Naval and Defense News (6/25/2018 12:25:43 PM)

21 June during drills the missile couldn't leave VLS at German frigate F219 Sachsen and burnt out. Two are injured.

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Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (6/25/2018 4:40:44 PM)

http://www.atimes.com/article/icebreaker-technology-linked-to-chinas-future-nuclear-carrier/

Interesting article on a recent open tender for a nuclear icebreaker for China. Obviously, such an endeavor would be useful to test nuclear propulsion for China's CVN program.




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (6/25/2018 5:03:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hongjian

http://www.atimes.com/article/icebreaker-technology-linked-to-chinas-future-nuclear-carrier/

Interesting article on a recent open tender for a nuclear icebreaker for China. Obviously, such an endeavor would be useful to test nuclear propulsion for China's CVN program.

Beforetime the Chinese floating NPP was planned a year ago. There are two competing reactor models: ACP100 and ACPR50S, either one will complete a prototype around early-2020s. If CNNC (ACP100) has won an icebreaker, then they got better odd for floating NPP as well.

https://www.popsci.com/china-floating-nuclear-reactors

ACP100:
https://www.iaea.org/NuclearPower/Downloadable/Meetings/2015/2015-08-25-08-28-NPTDS/DAY2/2._ACP100_technical_and_economic_aspects.pdf

ACPR50S:
https://www.iaea.org/INPRO/13th_Dialogue_Forum/026_ACPR_SMR_of_CGNPC.pdf

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China Coast Guard will handover from State Ocean Administration to People's Armed Police on 1 July. PAP is under PLA administration since the first day of 2018 as well, signaling the military involvement will be extended to coastal authorities:

https://www.twitter.com/PDChina/status/1011089096360513537

http://www.atimes.com/article/chinas-coast-guard-to-be-absorbed-into-pla/




Filitch -> RE: Naval and Defense News (6/27/2018 8:08:04 AM)

More photos of incident with F219 Sachsen

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Filitch -> RE: Naval and Defense News (6/27/2018 8:08:39 AM)

More photos of incident with F219 Sachsen

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Filitch -> RE: Naval and Defense News (6/27/2018 8:09:03 AM)

More photos of incident with F219 Sachsen

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Filitch -> RE: Naval and Defense News (6/27/2018 8:09:27 AM)

More photos of incident with F219 Sachsen

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Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (6/27/2018 3:19:13 PM)

This is really unfortunate. But at least the missile didnt explode.

The poor Bundesmarine. First that fiasco with that oversized 7000 ton corvette-armed Baden-Wurttemberg class and now this.




Broncepulido -> RE: Naval and Defense News (6/28/2018 6:33:57 AM)

and none of six sbmarines operative the last year...




AlGrant -> RE: Naval and Defense News (6/28/2018 10:40:26 AM)

For info ...
First UK F-35 takes off from RAF Marham
https://twitter.com/StnCdrRAFMarham/status/1012278797415174144
Also showing on 360Radar[8D]



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AlGrant -> RE: Naval and Defense News (6/28/2018 1:37:43 PM)


BAE Systems Type 26 Global Combat Ship design has been selected as the preferred solution for the Royal Australian Navy’s Project SEA5000 Future Frigate requirement.

http://adbr.com.au/breaking-bae-type-26-selected-for-sea-5000/

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kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (6/29/2018 12:48:31 PM)

Article from 2 days ago about a recent nuclear bomber exercise including plane spotter reports:

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/21814/we-heard-what-it-sounds-like-just-before-a-b-52-begins-the-end-of-the-world-last-night




AlGrant -> RE: Naval and Defense News (6/29/2018 3:03:51 PM)


Oops!

If this official RIMPAC 2018 infographic is to be believed then the Russians have sent a Typhoon to join in the fun! [:D]
https://www.dvidshub.net/image/4522692/rimpac-2018-infographic


Defence Visual Information Distribution Service.
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ultradave -> RE: Naval and Defense News (6/29/2018 7:51:35 PM)

House budget does not include up front money for 2 extra VIRGINIA class submarines. This was requested by the 2 Congressman representing the districts containing EB and HI-NNS. The money would have come from other programs (like Arleigh Burke). The Navy was against the proposal.

This doesn't change the existing Block V proposal. Basically it keeps things the way they were.

https://www.theday.com/military-news/20180628/house-passes-675b-defense-spending-bill-without-money-for-extra-subs




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (6/29/2018 9:51:15 PM)

So far I only sees AB3 construction is supplemental, there are lots of AB2 waiting for MLU and new missiles. If Virginia is good at decimate a whole fleet of adversary ships, then it's reasonable to expand the submersible force with new subs.




ultradave -> RE: Naval and Defense News (6/29/2018 9:54:15 PM)

"So far I only sees AB3 construction is supplemental, there are lots of AB2 waiting for MLU and new missiles."

Sorry I'm not following this part.




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (6/29/2018 10:13:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ultradave

Sorry I'm not following this part.

It's just my observations. Why building AB3 when there are several dozens of AB2 will get the mid-life upgrade (MLU for short, usually after 10-20 years of service)? I understand AB3 will have more power for new AESA sensors, but that is more crucial to AA and ABM.




ultradave -> RE: Naval and Defense News (6/29/2018 11:35:19 PM)

My question was I don't know what you mean by AB3 and AB2. Those designations don't mean anything to me, if you are applying them to VIRGINIA, so I'm not sure we are talking about the same things.

The next block to be ordered is Block V. Block V will include the VIRGINIA Payload Module (VPM), which will go a long way to replace the capability of the 3 SSGN's will be retired around the same time they go into service. The Congressman's proposal was to add 2 more to that order, however the Navy didn't want to divert money from elsewhere to pay for it.




kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (7/1/2018 2:09:01 PM)

Update your OOB:

https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/russian-varshavyankaclass-stealth-submarines-to-be-based-in-pacific/news-story/44aedda3648115122b06b5bf3aa212b0




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (7/1/2018 8:31:03 PM)

Handheld laser has turned from pointer pen to lethal weapon, like toy quadcopters converted to bombers. We're (almost) living in future already:

http://m.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2153310/china-brings-star-wars-life-laser-ak-47-could-set-fire




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (7/2/2018 2:45:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jtoatoktoe

Having a missile that mimics ICBM/SLBM is a good way to get nuked on accident. There is a reason the U.S.has stayed away from non nuclear ordinance.

Even without nuclear warhead or ICBM-height, just the speed itself would guarantee a nuclear response, Pentagon won't laugh it off.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-28/its-real-its-coming-its-matter-time-us-general-warns-hypersonic-attack

quote:

Hyten suggested the U.S. is powerless against hypersonic weapon threats and has to rely on deterrence against these so-called weapons.

What is that deterrence you might ask?

“So our response would be our deterrent force which would be the triad and the nuclear capabilities that we have to respond to such a threat,” Hyten warned.

In other words, if Russia or China launches a hypersonic missile attack on the U.S., the Pentagon will respond with nuclear war.

That sounds like both Russia and China are heavily miscalculated the consequences of the use of hypersonic missile, but does it matter when US is involved in WW3? Nukes will fly regardless the speed or altitude.




ultradave -> RE: Naval and Defense News (7/2/2018 1:36:49 PM)

Similar reasoning has been used to deny development of the "prompt global strike" weapon based on a submarine launched conventional warhead ballistic missile. Too many chances for miscalculation.

Now there is talk of resurrecting a new version of a nuclear warhead submarine launched cruise missile. These weapons were eliminated along with IRBMs mostly because of their destabilizing nature. No one really believes that if a "small" nuclear weapon is used in combat that the conflict could remain contained. Eliminating these weapons IMO was a good idea.




Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (7/3/2018 5:09:29 AM)

Today, those two Type 055 (3rd and 4th ship of the class) finally got launched simultanously.

The censored part suppossedly covers modules for the next batch of two more 055s that be assembled once the drydock is vacant.

It is to be expected that Dalian Shipyard will continue to build pairs of 055s in parallel.

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kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (7/3/2018 12:00:44 PM)

An interesting article on KC-135 capabilities and tactics:

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/21794/the-dark-world-of-usaf-special-ops-air-refuelers-and-their-modified-kc-135rt-tankers




Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (7/4/2018 3:37:43 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Dysta

Handheld laser has turned from pointer pen to lethal weapon, like toy quadcopters converted to bombers. We're (almost) living in future already:

http://m.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2153310/china-brings-star-wars-life-laser-ak-47-could-set-fire



Video released for the handheld laser gun smoking pork skin and car tyres.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2153791/laser-ak-47-chinese-developer-answers-sceptics-videos

ZKZM says that they want to upgrade this weapon further. I can imagine a more powerful and more ergonomic variant being used for the PLA somewhen in the future.

This really gives me hope that a naval laser gun system is in the works as well.




kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (7/5/2018 4:20:49 PM)

https://www.defensenews.com/industry/2018/07/03/us-navy-marine-corps-order-dozens-of-osprey-aircraft-in-42b-deal/

Remember the teething pains this program started out with?

Kevin




Triode -> RE: Naval and Defense News (7/6/2018 8:13:31 AM)

Forpost-M2 UAV (russian evolution from "Searcher II") with missile from KAVB family
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glide bombs (INS/GLONASS) from KAVB family 15,25,50,100 kg , range 12-20 km
[image]https://missiles2go.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/wp_20170823_13_12_31_pro.jpg[/image]

missiles (INS/GLONASS, optical + laser) from KAVB family 50,100 kg , range up to 100 km
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for 50,100 kg KAVB warheads unified with MLRS


optionally piloted UAV DA-42B
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with 4 9M120 "Ataka"
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kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (7/6/2018 2:10:23 PM)

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/drone-activity-soaring-at-the-us-mexico-border?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ebb%2006.07.18&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief

Interestingly, the article mentions the Tethered Aerostat Radar System which is in the Database. Does anyone recall a scenario that uses that balloon based radar?

Kevin




Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (7/8/2018 2:45:43 AM)

Quite rare, it's an official statement about the endurance of PLAN AIP submarines:

quote:

China’s first AIP submarine unit breaks records
(People's Daily Online) 17:32, July 04, 2018
http://en.people.cn/n3/2018/0704/c90000-9477744.html
China’s first submarine unit using air-independent propulsion (AIP) technology recently broke a number of records set by the Chinese navy, Science and Technology Daily recently reported.

Records such as the longest sailing distance, maximum submergence depth and sinking target ships under boundary conditions were all broken by the unit.

Military commentator Zhang Haixiong disclosed that submarines equipped with AIP technology prolong operation duration underwater to about two or three weeks, indicating the increasing stealth of the submarines.

The time a conventionally powered submarine can spend underwater ranges from 10 to 100 hours, as they need to surface regularly to charge. However, submarines can be charged underwater if they are equipped with the AIP system.

Zhang noted that AIP submarines, with higher combat effectiveness, are second only to nuclear submarines, adding that although AIP submarines are more expensive right now, in the future they will become the conventional option.




De Savage -> RE: Naval and Defense News (7/8/2018 7:39:16 PM)

Finnish Defence Force (FDF) is upgrading several platforms in coming years.

Hamina class missile boats are getting their Mid-Life-Upgrades. All four ships are fully updated by 2021, work has been started FNS Tornio. This is major overhaul of the class. Sametime older Rauma class will be retired and replaced by new 3000 ton multi-role corvette Pohjanmaa class.

Squadron 2020

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Hamina class and also new Pohjanmaa will have brand new Isral Gabriel anti-ship missile system. Same Gabriel missiles will be used by Finnish coastal defence forces.
More info about Gabriel: https://defense-update.com/20180706_ssm2020.html

New Hamina and Pohjanmaa will have Swedish Torpedo 47, but until new version is ready Finnish Navy will lease current 45 version. This is the first time after WW2 that Finnish navy will have torpedo armed ships.

Finnish Air Force is also replacing her F/A-18 Hornet fleet. Will there be F-35, JAS Gripen NG, Typhoon or Rafael has not been decided.

Interesting time indeed.




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