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kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (7/31/2018 1:50:19 PM)

Learned something today. Never knew this type of thing existed.

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/22507/now-russia-wants-to-bring-back-missile-armed-ekranoplans-to-defend-its-claims-in-the-arctic

Or if I did, I completely forgot. Anyway, a nice read.

"Still, in terms of its basic shape and performance, the established Orlyonok design might provide a good starting place for a new ekranoplan missile craft. It has a good payload capacity due to its original role as a transport and reportedly boasted a cruising speed of nearly 250 miles per hour over a range of more than 900 miles. The original type had a turret on top with a pair of 12.7mm machine guns and a simple navigational radar."

A little more:

https://defence-blog.com/navy/russia-equip-newest-ground-effect-vehicles-cruise-missiles.html
Interesting paragraph at the end on the Russian nuclear drone sub:

https://breakingdefense.com/2018/08/north-korean-denuclearization-moving-in-positive-direction-stratcoms-hyten/?_ga=2.24454970.1280487516.1533133627-1009687914.1531745790




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (8/3/2018 5:58:10 AM)

I don't think Nuclear War can be the same as Trade War -- there is no reason to retaliate the first-strike destruction with equal measure. However, CSIS believed LNW (Limited Nuclear War) with some points, and that is 4 months before US-China tariffs come to effect:

https://nuclearnetwork.csis.org/limited-nuclear-war/




stilesw -> RE: Naval and Defense News (8/3/2018 2:04:53 PM)

Dysta,

Thanks for this reference. I've added it to CMANO's unofficial Dropbox reference library.

Any forum member can have access to this resource. Just PM me with you email address.

-Wayne Stiles




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (8/4/2018 4:24:29 AM)

Syrian intervention by China should be a material for making a scenario long time ago. Until today, the still-opaque plan had brought to surface. However, Chinese Ambassador did not mention which "Syrian Force" they will help yet:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-03/china-signals-willingness-help-assad-retake-rest-syrian-territory
https://www.twitter.com/joshua_landis/status/1025201078453841920

EDIT: The report is fake.




kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (8/4/2018 1:10:12 PM)

Thanks. More on the same topic:

https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/china-military-officials-help-syrian-army-retake-idlib




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (8/4/2018 2:59:29 PM)

In many RTS video games, scuttling and deconstructing ships will return some funds. But IRL, deconstructing that behemoth is a whole different reality -- could scrap metals cover the cost?

https://sputniknews.com/military/201808031066935225-US-Navy-Considered-1-Billion-Plan-Breaking-Down-Nuclear-Powered-Carrier/




Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (8/5/2018 10:55:55 AM)

China has released footage of a flight test of the 星空/Sky Star-2 waverider hypersonic missile.

As we can see from the released photos, this missile looks very compact, is cannister launched and can be made road-mobile. Dimensions-wise, it definitely would fit inside the UVLS-cell of the Type 055 (which was rumored to receive a hypersonic anti ship weapon in the future).

https://defence-blog.com/aviation/china-successfully-test-fire-hypersonic-aircraft.html

quote:

CAAA successfully test flew waverider hypersonic flight vehicle 星空/Sky star-2 in the northwest test range on Friday morning, the rocket completed active phase turning, stage/fairing separation, flight vehicle autonomous flight and high maneuvering turning in 10 minutes' flight.


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kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (8/6/2018 3:55:15 PM)

Interesting view of the Combined Air Operations Center (CAOC) at Al Udeid Air Base, Qatar. A high value target. Are those projection screens?

https://breakingdefense.com/?sponsored_content=military-must-adopt-multi-domain-vision-to-win-wars-of-the-future




ExNusquam -> RE: Naval and Defense News (8/6/2018 8:07:30 PM)

I can't open the BreakingDefense link, but based on this image, they are projections. The 609th AOC certainly earns their pay given how busy their AOR is.




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (8/9/2018 5:50:45 AM)

The trade war continues, but I am talking about the victim here:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/aug/08/giant-shipload-of-soybeans-drifts-off-china-victim-of-trade-war-with-us

In CMANO, the ship that keep circling around a fixed point like an aircraft is actually authentic. The ship will drift all the time so a random moment of 'spinning' could explain the difficulty to stay in position, especially for some behemoths like merchant vessels and aircraft carriers. It will be more intense without reverse.




Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (8/9/2018 10:34:21 AM)

https://twitter.com/HenriKenhmann/status/1027414656569077760

quote:

Le destroyer Type 055 s’est équipé d’une nouvelle génération de systèmes équivalente du CEC américain. La plupart des navires actuels de la marine chinoise, y compris les ravitailleurs, est doté de la 2e (??) génération qui a été testée pendant 12 ans jusqu’en 2016.


Henri K reports, a new generation (2nd?) of Chinese equivalent to the USN's CEC system has been equipped on the Type 055.




kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (8/9/2018 2:28:23 PM)

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/22738/turkish-lawyers-demand-raid-on-incirlik-air-base-and-arrest-of-u-s-military-personnel

Things are getting messy/messier.

I see a scenario in all this somewhere. Maybe an evacuation of the base and protection of the transports and nukes.

Article on future battlegrounds:

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/400556-investing-in-understanding-cities-is-investing-in-national?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ebb%2010.08.18&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (8/14/2018 1:40:17 AM)

If that escalates, Syria will have a significant advantage for the siege of Idlib, Turkey cannot put out two fires at the same time, especially in a middle of devaluation.

Speaking of military involvement against Idlib rebels, China has officially denied the claim of pro-regime media that the 'ambassador' will send PLA to Syria:

http://www.ecns.cn/m/news/military/2018-08-10/detail-ifywwxaw2291512.shtml




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (8/15/2018 12:47:38 AM)

The recent 1.14.4 update cannot have better timing than ever -- looks like DF-ZF program has extended to UAV developments too:

https://www.twitter.com/RupprechtDeino/status/1029402410631012352 (images)




kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (8/15/2018 2:58:48 PM)

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/america-has-plan-find-and-kill-russia-and-chinas-most-deadly-submarines-28807

"It does this by launching unmanned underwater vehicles that are equipped with bistatic sonar. Therefore, the UUV will use active sonar to detect and track enemy vessels and send their location back to the host submarine, which will be equipped with sonar receivers."





Broncepulido -> RE: Naval and Defense News (8/15/2018 8:26:33 PM)

APG-83 SABR AESA radar very probably for USMC F/A-18C/D:
https://www.naval-technology.com/news/northrop-installs-production-apg-83-radar-usmcs-f-18c-hornet/




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (8/16/2018 12:43:41 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kevinkin

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/america-has-plan-find-and-kill-russia-and-chinas-most-deadly-submarines-28807

"It does this by launching unmanned underwater vehicles that are equipped with bistatic sonar. Therefore, the UUV will use active sonar to detect and track enemy vessels and send their location back to the host submarine, which will be equipped with sonar receivers."


So that means the UUV can also act as both seeker and decoy simultaneously. UUV ping the sub location, while its own sonar noise can deceive the enemy sub.




Triode -> RE: Naval and Defense News (8/16/2018 1:06:22 PM)

fully modernized Tu-22M3M , returned refueling equipment? and no rear gun
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[image]https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/yuripasholok/765139/9152924/9152924_original.jpg[/image]

hmm, is refueling ban from SALT-2 no longer in effect?




Sharana -> RE: Naval and Defense News (8/16/2018 3:41:27 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Triode
fully modernized Tu-22M3M , returned refueling equipment? and no rear gun

hmm, is refueling ban from SALT-2 no longer in effect?


The improvements are a lot more. The main thing is the completely new avionics that are from the new Tu-160M2. As such it can also use weapons from the Tu-160 like the Kh-101 cruise missile for example. Also new engines that are for Tu-160M2 - more fuel efficent and of course maximum possible unification to reduce logistics cost. New defensive systems instead of the gun that was quite heavy they say allowing to place quite some jamming equipment instead.
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The other big thing is the refueling equipment ofc - with few refuels it can fly up to 20 000km (combat radius of 10 000km).
As for the refueling ban from SALT-2 - well they say that SALT-2 is no longer active and was one of many signed treaties. After the SALT (Strategic Arms Limitation Talks) ones there were START ones (Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty). The latest one is "New START" (also START III) signed in 2011 and it's the 7th such treatie (the mentioned SALT-2 was the 3rd) and they succeed each other. Article XIV Section 4 says that this new treatie replaces the older one making it the only active one. And this latest treatie (New START) says nothing about Tu-22, it just sets limit strategic nuclear missile launchers which is 700 (missiles + bombers). Yes Tu-22M3M can and will be counted as strategic bomber along with Tu-95 and Tu-160 now, but they won't go above the limit of 700 so no violation.




Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (8/18/2018 4:37:20 PM)

Good view on the modified Type 032 Qing-class SSB test submarine. The new conning tower with the protrusion is speculated to be for the longer ranged and larger JL-3 SLBM.

[image]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkjiH9wUYAAXwMW.jpg[/image]

The old conning tower, for testing the old JL-2 SLBM.

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Broncepulido -> RE: Naval and Defense News (8/18/2018 8:14:22 PM)

RAF Typhoons based at Romania intercepting Russian Su-24s over the Black Sea on 13 August 2018:
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/typhoons-intercept-six-russian-bombers-over-black-sea-near-romania/




Sharana -> RE: Naval and Defense News (8/20/2018 1:30:04 PM)

Su-57 with it's targeting pod
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Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (8/21/2018 11:58:37 AM)

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2159891/string-chinese-satellites-keep-real-time-watch-south

quote:

String of Chinese satellites to keep real-time watch on South China Sea to protect ‘national sovereignty’

Each reef and island in the contested waters will be monitored from space after launches start next year, developer says

China will next year start launching a series of satellites to track water conditions and traffic, and reinforce “national sovereignty” throughout the South China Sea, according to state media.

In all, six optical satellites, two hyperspectral satellites and two radar satellites will keep a real-time daily watch on the contested waters and monitor key areas several times a day as part of the Hainan satellite constellation system, China News Service reported on Monday.

The programme is being carried out by the Chinese Academy of Sciences and is expected to be completed by 2021.

In the programme’s first phase, three of the optical satellites will be launched in the second half of next year. They will be equipped with optical remote sensors, a system to identify ships and cameras designed to monitor the ocean’s surface.

The network’s initial priority was to cover all of the South China, Sea so the cameras in the first three satellites will be strong enough only to focus on large and mid-sized vessels, the report said.

The two hyperspectral satellites to be launched in the second phase in 2020 will be able to assess water conditions, while the synthetic aperture radar satellites to be sent into orbit in the third phase will be able to provide all-weather, high-definition monitoring.

Yang said that when the network is completed, it will cover the entire area between the 30th north and south parallels, and could offer “seamless monitoring and receiving system” of tropical regions.




Triode -> RE: Naval and Defense News (8/21/2018 6:52:06 PM)

from "Army-2018" another KGNTs project
[image]https://cdn5.img.ria.ru/images/152695/77/1526957765.jpg[/image]

Storm-KM
37-44000 t
110000 hp gasturbine engine ,smoke stacks horisontal like on "Akagi" carrier
28 knots
electro-mechanical catapult
24-28 fighters (Mig-29k or Su-33)
12 helicopters
4 "perspective AEWACS"
and UAVs

smaller than 100000t "Storm", idea to build this supported by USC (cose they can build this now on existed shipyards)




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (8/22/2018 12:06:15 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Triode

electro-mechanical catapult

But I dont see any catapult in this photo. Where and how many will it built?




Triode -> RE: Naval and Defense News (8/22/2018 3:42:55 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Dysta


But I dont see any catapult in this photo. Where and how many will it built?


[image]https://2ch.hk/wm/src/3062312/15348681298061.jpg[/image]

second forward start position, only one for AEWACS




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (8/22/2018 3:51:41 AM)

Thanks for the picture!

Wow, a curved catapult rail on a ramp, what kind of engineering does it involved?

Also I don't know if enclosed hangar is a good idea. It may looks like the smaller center elevators could be efficient to store and move those aircrafts, but it's also a serious hazard. Like the IJN carrier was built that way, the bomb went through the deck and exploded inside the hangar, all the shockwave is trapped inside to literally obliterated everything in it. Maybe the aft elevator has an opening to vent the shockwave?




Tailhook -> RE: Naval and Defense News (8/22/2018 3:58:09 PM)

And how do they plan on paying for this? Even if it’s smaller it’s still not going to be cheap.




Filitch -> RE: Naval and Defense News (8/22/2018 7:23:28 PM)

Colleagues, this project is not for Russian Navy. "This is export model, targeting partners from Asia and Latin America" https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/547313-armiya-novinki-forum
Of course, there are too many question to this model to consider it seriously.




kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (8/23/2018 12:45:29 AM)

I would have loved to see that model carrier under the xmas tree when I was 12 years old. Anyway here is an interesting vehicle:

https://defence-blog.com/aviation/azerbaijans-loitering-munition-spotted-during-military-exercises.html

Not in the DB that I can tell. A SSM system by the same name (2010) is there.




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