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Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/14/2015 2:12:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hongjian

Also, where did the 'inner wing pylon may break flankers' myth come from?
The Su-30 regularily carry their heavier armaments on the inner pylons. Here, a PLAAF Su-30MKK with Kh-29L training dummies on the innermost pylons:



Su-27 family have a wide-spread debates of their absence of inner-wing pylons, especially the Su-27K that Chinese purchased for their J-11A in 90s.

Su-27(K?):

[image]http://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Su-27-RAF-Typhoon.jpg[/image]

And J-11A (and B?):

[image]http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af8/My-Military-Photos/PRC/Air/Su-27%20--%20J-11%20Older%20Variants/J11A_1.jpg[/image]

Those are clearly mounted at the center and outer side of the wings, and yet to see the inner one from both Su-27 and J-11A. Numerous suggestions are pointing out the structural weakness and/or the sensor obstruction when mounting missiles at inner-wing pylons, so they leave them empty.





Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/14/2015 2:14:33 PM)

--double post--



AlGrant -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/15/2015 2:23:38 PM)

Iran to get Russian S-300 by Mar 2016
http://tass.ru/en/defense/835437

[image]http://photocdn1.itar-tass.com/width/744_b12f2926/tass/m2/en/uploads/i/20151111/1113593.jpg[/image]



Broncepulido -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/15/2015 9:57:55 PM)

The media are reporting wrongly (How not!) France has begun today his air bombing campaign against Daesh targets in Syria, but it's not true.
The campaign, named Operation Chammal, begun on 27 September 2015, just three days before the Putin bombing actions from Latakia.
But even before France was attacking Daesh targets in Irak from 18 September 2014, a year before:
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Op%C3%A9ration_Chammal

Other references: Air Fan magazine, October 2015 issue: 6xRafale, 1xC-135, 1xAtlantique in Al Dhafra, UAE, and 3xMirage 2000D and 3xMirage 2000N operating from Jordania.
The search engine (I was looking for Operation Chammal) in L'Armee de l'Air official site is temporally down.



Broncepulido -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/15/2015 10:17:23 PM)

More on Operation Chammal and details, from 21 July 2015: http://www.air-cosmos.com/1000e-mission-aerienne-pour-l-operation-chammal-39840



NakedWeasel -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/16/2015 6:49:00 AM)

Next level jammer for the Growler seems to be well on its way. http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Raytheons_Next_Generation_Jammer_completes_preliminary_design_review_999.html



Glenn Beasley -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/16/2015 5:12:32 PM)

Thailand orders More A-129"s. http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairmo/articles/20151116.aspx



Glenn Beasley -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/16/2015 5:36:43 PM)

Japanese New Missile system. http://thediplomat.com/2015/11/100-percent-of-targets-destroyed-japan-is-testing-new-missile-in-us/



Glenn Beasley -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/16/2015 5:43:15 PM)

New Indigneous South Korean SAM/ABM system, http://thediplomat.com/2015/11/south-korea-goes-indigenous-for-its-missile-defense-needs/



Vici Supreme -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/17/2015 11:46:16 PM)

Russian Blackjacks, Backfires and Bears are now also engaging in Syria: http://theaviationist.com/2015/11/17/russian-tu-22s-joined-the-syria-air-war/



Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/18/2015 5:36:44 PM)

Those KH-101s really look delicious.[&o]




schweggy -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/18/2015 8:02:28 PM)

I posted on the Command Facebook page about the Russian strikes and noted they were operating "during daylight hours" and if the photos are of the actual strike(s) show weapon delivery during the day. The same source (I'll link it if I can remember) said something to the effect; "the Russians bomb during the day, the US and France at night." FWIW



Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/19/2015 12:05:21 PM)

http://mil.today/2015/ArmsTrade1/

The most definite confirmation that the Su-35 contract was signed between China and Russia. 24 planes are to be produced for the PLAAF. The Chinese CMC chairman has visited the UFA engine plant as well.

Methink Russia possible made huge concessions here, giving China the source codes for the PESA radar and avionics, so that the PLAAF can integrate their own weapons, just like they did with their Su-30MKKs. Because it is pretty sure that China doesnt want to buy some hundred additional Russian missiles just for 24 Su-35s, when the rest of the Chinese Russian imported Flanker force are already on the way to be converted to Chinese weaponry.

But still, the 117S would give China a good stopgap measure for the initial batch of LRIP J-20s.



Vici Supreme -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/19/2015 12:34:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hongjian

http://mil.today/2015/ArmsTrade1/

The most definite confirmation that the Su-35 contract was signed between China and Russia. 24 planes are to be produced for the PLAAF. The Chinese CMC chairman has visited the UFA engine plant as well.

Methink Russia possible made huge concessions here, giving China the source codes for the PESA radar and avionics, so that the PLAAF can integrate their own weapons, just like they did with their Su-30MKKs. Because it is pretty sure that China doesnt want to buy some hundred additional Russian missiles just for 24 Su-35s, when the rest of the Chinese Russian imported Flanker force are already on the way to be converted to Chinese weaponry.

But still, the 117S would give China a good stopgap measure for the initial batch of LRIP J-20s.

If you ask me, if Russia's industry wasn't sanctioned by the West such deal would have never been signed, at least not for 24 aircraft.



Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/19/2015 4:33:59 PM)

True, this is why the Su-35 saga has been ongoing for at least 4 years now, and only after the sanctions, the negotiations have been progressing. Before, Russia wanted to sell at the very least 48, if not over 100, and with no concessions in terms of avionics, or any TOT.

Though, the Russians were always interested in Su-35 sales to China, even before 2009 when the Su-35 was still in development and the J-11B first appeared, creating that dispute about licence agreement. The J-11B dispute didnt really deter Sukhoi from marketing the Su-35 (and the Su-27SKM as well) to China, as an alternative to China's desire to upgrade the previously imported Su-27SK/J-11A to the B-standard.

Still, 2+ billion USD for 24 planes isnt a drop in a bucket, and I strongly believe that it comes with full customer after-care and a contract for further engine deliveries as well.
But China has also saved over 100 billion USD because of the oil-price drop as well, so that wont hurt so much.



Triode -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/19/2015 5:27:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hongjian

http://mil.today/2015/ArmsTrade1/




Really, nobody expected this deal , nobody ![:D]

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=3896967



Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/19/2015 5:35:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Triode


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ORIGINAL: Hongjian

http://mil.today/2015/ArmsTrade1/




Really, nobody expected this deal , nobody ![:D]

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=3896967


Indeed [:D]

I was just cautious about all that one and off about the Su-35 saga... But the signs were there all along.



NakedWeasel -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/20/2015 3:23:41 AM)

Well, the easiest way for our intelligence forces to get raw data on the Su-35, is for Western spies to collect it from China. Probably a smart play.



Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/20/2015 4:13:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: NakedWeasel

Well, the easiest way for our intelligence forces to get raw data on the Su-35, is for Western spies to collect it from China. Probably a smart play.

Su-35M or Su-35SK (presumed export names) will surely monkeized from their home jets. Not as worthy as to spy Sukhoi instead.

But that is nothing to do for DB3000 update until we actually see them in service.



Broncepulido -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/21/2015 4:28:39 PM)

I think I did read the last hour a news report about Russia deploying 8xSu-34 more and some Su-30 more in Latakia, but I don't find now the news report!



Broncepulido -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/21/2015 5:36:49 PM)

Ok, I see, details probably here:

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B3%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%BF%D0%B0_%D0%92%D0%92%D0%A1_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%B2_%D0%A1%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B8

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%B2_%D0%A1%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B8

But I don't find the original source beyond this, it should be in Novosti/Sputnik (Sputnik keeps his original Cold War I name Novosti Press Agency inside russia):
https://www.facebook.com/guard.info/posts/981185601927070:0





Broncepulido -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/21/2015 6:37:50 PM)

In short of the Russian sources above cited, and also The Aviationist and Offiziere.ch, Russian original forces (circa 30 September 2015) in Latakia/Hmejmim/Bassel Al-Assad International Airport:
4xSu-30SM
6xSu-34
8xSu-24M
4xSu-24M2
10xSu-25SM
2xSu-25UM
1xIl-20M
12xMi-24P
5xMi-8ATMSh
4xKa-27PL
?xOrlan-10 UAV
?xPchela-1T
?xGranat-3 UAV

Russian later forces (circa 20 November 2015):
4 or 6xSu-27SM3 (Probably these were added circa 17 November 2015, and not the other 4xSu-24 more mentioned later)
4xSu-30SM
12xSu-34 (of them 8 were added circa 17 November 2015)
Some 30xSu-24M/M2 (Of them 4 were added circa 17 November 2015)
10xSu-25SM
2xSu-25UM
1xIl-20M
1xIl-22M?
12xMi-24P
4xMi-8ATMSh
4xKa-27PL
?xOrlan-10 UAV
?xPchela-1T
?xGranat-3 UAV

Forces operating from mainland Russia in the 17 November 2015 attack:
5xTu-160
6xTu-95MS
14xTu-22M3
8xSu-34 (these planes were probably transferred to Latakia the same day, as mentioned above)
6xSu-27SM3(these planes were probably transferred to Latakia the same day, as mentioned above)

In November 20, 2015, Minister of Defence of the Russian Federation General of the Army Sergey Shoigu reported that Aviation Group in Latakia has increased twice and has now 69 planes.
Also, some days early were rumours of S-400 or at least his radars deployed in Latakia.



Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/21/2015 11:43:28 PM)

http://china-defense.blogspot.de/2015/11/chinas-new-uber-55000-ton-replenishment.html

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China's new über 55,000 ton replenishment tanker (Type901)
For the last 12 months, there has been a hint that a 40,000t class new AOE is under construction at GSI's Longxue shipyard. Well, judging from this latest set of photos, they are making good progress.

Amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics -- The PLAN is taking this military maxim to heart.


Long rumored, and finally there: China's still missing part for a true blue-water navy and carrier-strike-group. A large AOR.

At 55k tonnes fully loaded, it would be nearly as heavy as the Liaoning and possibly the Type 001A, China's second carrier under construction.



Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/22/2015 2:51:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Hongjian

[image]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Q6VgENrtg2s/VlEF31eQz8I/AAAAAAAAchw/gimyJ_1mYaM/s1600/10wandunbanqian.jpg[/image]


Except this one.

This is officially announced picture of Chinese semi-submersible cargo ship with 100kT displacement.

http://www.cssc.net.cn/component_news/news_detail.php?id=21384



xavierv -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/22/2015 1:54:32 PM)

U.S. Navy Started AGM-158C LRASM Anti-Ship Missile Flight Tests on F/A-18E/F Super Hornet
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3249

U.S. Clears Possible FMS of UGM-84L Harpoon Block II Anti-Ship Missiles for ROK Navy
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3254

Raytheon delivers sonar for DARPA's unmanned anti-submarine warfare vehicle program
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3251

Royal Danish Navy orders Rheinmetall’s Millennium gun for Absalon & Iver Huitfeldt-class Frigate
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3245

Japan to Test its New XASM-3 Supersonic Anti-Ship Missile Against Shirane-class Destroyer
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3241



Vici Supreme -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/22/2015 2:06:55 PM)

The Japanese XASM-3 ASM looks nasty!



Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/22/2015 11:33:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Supreme 2.0

The Japanese XASM-3 ASM looks nasty!

That sounds like every single warships should install SeaRAM or its equivalent of CIWS in the future, if they still want to stand a chance against supersonic vampires.



ExNusquam -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/23/2015 1:30:46 AM)

The UK formally announced it's buying P-8s today. I'm somewhat surprised, since the general feeling seemed to be they were going to be too expensive.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-pledges-178-billion-investment-in-defence-kit



xavierv -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/23/2015 7:45:40 AM)

UK Government to Fill MPA Gap and Order 9 Boeing P-8A Poseidon Maritime Patrol Aircraft
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoxRCA8wy1w
quote:

UK Prime Minister David Cameron will announce today a £178 billion investment in defence equipment and support over the next decade as part of a new Strategic Defence and Security Review (SDSR). The £12 billion uplift in funding will be focused on investments that will help to ensure the UK can respond to diverse threats and includes nine new P-8A Maritime Patrol Aircraft (MPA). UK currently has an MPA capability gap since the last Nimrod MR2 MPA was retired in 2010.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3257

What about torpedo ? UK will procure Mk 54 or will pay for Stingray integration ?
What about Harpoon (UK doesn't have AGM-84 anymore) ?
And just like Nimrod, they'll be flown by the RAF ?



Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/23/2015 1:39:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Dysta


quote:

ORIGINAL: Supreme 2.0

The Japanese XASM-3 ASM looks nasty!

That sounds like every single warships should install SeaRAM or its equivalent of CIWS in the future, if they still want to stand a chance against supersonic vampires.


Relying on CIWS or PDMS is useless anyway, as we can see in CMANO. Especially with supersonics that are literally dashing through the engagement envelope of PDMS like RAM or HH1-10, giving them only enough time to engage one or two of them maximum.

LO supersonics rather puts a premium on early detection and capable long and mid-range range anti-missile-missiles. In terms of the XASM-3, I think the PLAN has to get their quad packed DK10 medium range SAM online ASAP, as well as a successor of the HHQ-9 missile with longer range and better low altitude engagement capability (if the actual HHQ-9B isnt already such a missile).



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