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mikmykWS -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/28/2016 12:48:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hongjian

Some rumors say that China seized those APCs because they wanted to reverse engineer the RWS system.

This notion is kinda idiotic, though. Didnt they see Zhuhai Airshow and all those RWS presented there?


My guess is they were just outing Singapore for supporting Taiwan. Politics.

Mike




Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/28/2016 8:31:26 PM)

Type 055 Cruiser/Heavy Destroyer hull 1 and 2 in the same photo!

The bow of hull 1 is on the right, the mid-ship modules for hull 2 are in the center of the scene.

By 2020, China might have three of those warships in service.

[image]http://i66.tinypic.com/2me9xfc.jpg[/image]




jun5896 -> Norway plans to buy five new P-8 Poseidons (11/29/2016 7:58:53 AM)

https://news.usni.org/2016/11/28/norway-buy-5-p-8a-poseidon-maritime-patrol-aircraft


https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/norway-plans-to-buy-five-new-p-8-poseidons-431888/

Norway has proposed replacing its aging fleet of Lockheed Martin P-3 Orions and Dassault DA-20 Jet Falcons with five new Boeing P-8 Poseidons, the country's minister of defense announced on 25 November.




kevinkins -> RE: Norway plans to buy five new P-8 Poseidons (11/30/2016 12:55:38 PM)

An update on the subject:

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/air-force-hypersonic-missiles-china-russia-pose-growing-danger-u-s/




Hongjian -> RE: Norway plans to buy five new P-8 Poseidons (12/1/2016 1:25:21 AM)

WTF?!

http://www.janes.com/article/65846/iraq-reportedly-finalising-hq-9-air-defence-order

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Iraq reportedly finalising HQ-9 air defence order

Mohammed Najib, Ramallah - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
30 November 2016


Iraq is close to finalising a USD2.5 billion order for Chinese military equipment that includes HQ-9 long-range air defence systems, Iraq's Mawazin news agency cited well-informed sources as saying on 28 November.

The HQ-9 is derived from the Russian S-300PMU system. The exports version is designated the FD-2000 and another version is offered called the FT-2000 that has missiles with passive radar seekers.

The deal may also include Type 99 tanks and other Chinese military equipment, Mawazin reported.




mikmykWS -> RE: Norway plans to buy five new P-8 Poseidons (12/1/2016 12:02:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hongjian

WTF?!

http://www.janes.com/article/65846/iraq-reportedly-finalising-hq-9-air-defence-order

quote:

Iraq reportedly finalising HQ-9 air defence order

Mohammed Najib, Ramallah - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
30 November 2016


Iraq is close to finalising a USD2.5 billion order for Chinese military equipment that includes HQ-9 long-range air defence systems, Iraq's Mawazin news agency cited well-informed sources as saying on 28 November.

The HQ-9 is derived from the Russian S-300PMU system. The exports version is designated the FD-2000 and another version is offered called the FT-2000 that has missiles with passive radar seekers.

The deal may also include Type 99 tanks and other Chinese military equipment, Mawazin reported.



Why WTF?

Pretty sure this has been sold to at least one other country already.

Mike




Hongjian -> RE: Norway plans to buy five new P-8 Poseidons (12/1/2016 9:40:48 PM)

Well, this is surprising for two reasons: Iraq is usually either a heavy user of US hardware, or more recently, Russian hardware. There were some reports about S-300 sales to Iraq as well in the past, so the sudden "finalization" of some FD-2000 deal was unexpected.

Secondly, the Type 99 tank actually isnt for export.







Dysta -> RE: Norway plans to buy five new P-8 Poseidons (12/2/2016 1:53:47 AM)

Confirmed delivery of 3x FC-1/JF-17 for Nigerian AF in 2 years:

http://quwa.org/2016/11/30/nigerian-air-force-chief-confirms-expected-jf-17-deliveries/




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (12/2/2016 3:10:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mikmyk


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hongjian

Some rumors say that China seized those APCs because they wanted to reverse engineer the RWS system.

This notion is kinda idiotic, though. Didnt they see Zhuhai Airshow and all those RWS presented there?


My guess is they were just outing Singapore for supporting Taiwan. Politics.

Mike


Or China wants the real-time comms technology, with variable bandwidths that is difficult to spoof or intercept. It was claimed by a US-Taiwanese responsible to the media and Chinese news redirect it, but I cannot find the original source:

http://3g.china.com/act/military/11132797/20161202/30062022.html (Simplified Chinese)




mikmykWS -> RE: Naval and Defense News (12/2/2016 1:35:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dysta


quote:

ORIGINAL: mikmyk


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hongjian

Some rumors say that China seized those APCs because they wanted to reverse engineer the RWS system.

This notion is kinda idiotic, though. Didnt they see Zhuhai Airshow and all those RWS presented there?


My guess is they were just outing Singapore for supporting Taiwan. Politics.

Mike


Or China wants the real-time comms technology, with variable bandwidths that is difficult to spoof or intercept. It was claimed by a US-Taiwanese responsible to the media and Chinese news redirect it, but I cannot find the original source:

http://3g.china.com/act/military/11132797/20161202/30062022.html (Simplified Chinese)


Yeah heard this too but this technology should be well known by China now.

My sense is the technology gap on most things doesn't exist anymore mostly because of globalization and well...cyberwarfare and industrial espionage.

Mike




Gunner98 -> RE: Naval and Defense News (12/2/2016 3:50:42 PM)

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Or China wants the real-time comms technology, with variable bandwidths that is difficult to spoof or intercept. It was claimed by a US-Taiwanese responsible to the media and Chinese news redirect it, but I cannot find the original source: http://3g.china.com/act/military/11132797/20161202/30062022.html (Simplified Chinese)

Yeah heard this too but this technology should be well known by China now. My sense is the technology gap on most things doesn't exist anymore mostly because of globalization and well...cyberwarfare and industrial espionage.


I doubt that the comms and other high tech gear would ship with the vehicles. Even routine shipment old tech comms stuff is separated and shipped via different carrier. Anything's possible though.

B




Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (12/2/2016 11:51:15 PM)

Jane's take on the mystery missile:

http://www.janes.com/article/65922/images-show-plaaf-testing-possible-new-air-to-air-missile

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Images show PLAAF testing possible new air-to-air missile

Andrew Tate, London and Neil Gibson, London and Richard D Fisher Jr, Washington, DC - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
02 December 2016

China's People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) has been flight testing what appears to be a new long-range air-to-air missile (AAM), according to images posted on Chinese online forums.

Published on the social media platform Weibo on 20 November, the photographs show a PLAAF Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC) J-16 (J-11BS derivative) twin-seat fighter carrying two AAMs not previously seen in open sources.

The photographs were removed from the micro-blogging website soon after appearing.

Analysis by Henri Kenhmann, an experienced observer of Chinese military developments, suggests that the missile may be intended to target airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft or other high value airborne units such as air-to-air refuelling aircraft.

The size of the missile is significant, with an estimated length of 5.8 m and a diameter of 300 mm. With no air intakes visible, it is assumed that the missile uses a solid-propellant-based propulsion system.

It is also noteworthy that the only control surfaces are tail fins: a similar configuration to the cancelled US Joint Dual-Role Air Dominance Missile or Next-Generation Missile.

The nose (radome) is ogival and likely to house an active radar seeker. Also seen on the upper surface and offset to the rear of the nose, is an object which could be associated with an infrared sensor window, although this cannot be confirmed due to the limited quality of the imagery.

Sitting behind the nose is a cylindrical section, slightly longer than the nose, which likely holds the missile guidance, proximity fuzing, and power systems. Present near its rear are four equally spaced strips, which are most likely antennas of a radio frequency proximity fuzing system.

Sitting behind this is a short cylindrical section, which likely houses the missile warhead section, the type and mass of which remains unclear.

The longest portion of the missile is the cylindrical motor section.




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (12/3/2016 12:35:01 AM)

Elizabeth and Prince Wales @ SCS >2020

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/british-fighters-overfly-south-china-sea-carriers-pacific-001751071.html

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - British fighter planes visiting Japan will fly over the South China Sea and Britain will sail aircraft carriers in the Pacific once they are operational in 2020, given concerns about freedom of navigation there, Britain's ambassador to the United States said on Thursday.




Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (12/3/2016 1:00:52 AM)

VDS and TASS onboard the DDG-175 Yinchuan (4th Type 052D)

[image]http://i67.tinypic.com/2eogspt.jpg[/image]
[image]http://i68.tinypic.com/2ykfhc1.jpg[/image]

The VDS somehow looks like the ACTAS low frequency VDS:
https://www.atlas-elektronik.com/what-we-do/anti-submarine-warfare/actas/
[image]https://www.atlas-elektronik.com/fileadmin/user_upload/images/products/Anti_Submarine_Warfare/ACTAS_Keyvisual.png[/image]

Also, the 5th 052D DDG-117 Xining received its pennant number and will be commissioned soon.

[image]http://i66.tinypic.com/2uy2fra.jpg[/image]




kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (12/3/2016 2:31:16 PM)

Your mom always said "be careful who you talk to"

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/china-flight-tests-10-df-21-missiles/




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (12/3/2016 3:19:35 PM)

A new Chinese ELINT ship is commissioned. Several antennas are different from older ships.

Strangely, this ship name is not using planet/moon names, she was called "Kai Yang Xing", as Chinese word of fortune and added star (Xing) at the end. Pennant number is 856.

[image]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e71/mywoem2002/779FA8A5-E2B4-44F3-BA33-FC6E0A711EAB_zpseja4gpu4.jpg[/image]

EDIT: The actual in naval service time is 10 Jan 2017

http://news.china.com/domestic/945/20170111/30164389.html




Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (12/3/2016 4:20:08 PM)

Finally some more recent satellite pictures of Shanghai Jiangnan-Changxing shipyards. And another confirmation that the first Type 055 hull has been assembled, while the newly spotted modules are indeed of the 2nd hull. Rumors say that modules for a third hull were spotted as well, but so far no images exist.

[image]http://i64.tinypic.com/cs4qu.jpg[/image]

Comparing the assembled hull with the newly constructed 052Ds also in that shipyard, one can see the size difference between these two classes. Pixel-counting estimates gives us roundabout 180m length and 21-22m beam for the Type 055.

[image]http://i67.tinypic.com/34oufqh.png[/image]




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (12/4/2016 1:06:19 AM)

It's not a military news, but oil is heavily essential for both civilian and military machines, and it's still a strategic resource.

A new oil field has been founded at Anhui, China, estimate 500M tons:

http://www.top-news.top/news-12558224.html
http://news.china.com/domestic/945/20161203/30063344.html (Simplified Chinese)




Triode -> RE: Naval and Defense News (12/4/2016 6:41:28 PM)

Mig-29k from "Kuznetsov" with R-77-1 and KAB-500Kr
[image]http://i.imgur.com/iKPvhiP.jpg[/image]




tomrlutong2 -> RE: Naval and Defense News (12/5/2016 1:29:05 AM)

Hongjian, thanks for the deep information. Certainly makes me wish I'd kept up on my Chinese.

Might be reading too much into it, but calling the missle a "reentry vehicle" seems significant. Can you tell if the technologies would allow for an AAM payload on a MRBM/IRBM? As ridiculous as it sounds, putting 2-4 AAMs on top of a DF-21 could actually fit well with China's A2AD strategy.

It's a very expensive approach, but still, being able to plink tankers and AWACS at 3000km could be a game changer. Hell, if you can do it at 5500km, it's a B-2 counter.








Raptorx7_slith -> RE: Naval and Defense News (12/5/2016 7:08:00 PM)

Kunetsov loses another plane...

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2016/12/05/Second-Russian-fighter-jet-crashes-attempting-aircraft-carrier-landing/4261480940373/




Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (12/6/2016 3:02:38 PM)

Christmas came early.

Looks like the J-20 received a five digit serial number, indicating that it is in service now.

176th Brigade, CFTE Dingxin/14th Air Base.

[image]http://i65.tinypic.com/2uz9fsh.jpg[/image]




ziolo -> RE: Naval and Defense News (12/6/2016 3:16:49 PM)

The guided missile frigate INS Betwa, a 3,850-ton ship more than125 meters (410 feet) in length, rolled over on a 90-degree angle while being docked, Indian Navy spokesman D.K. Sharma told CNN.

Do not use her in your new realistic scenarios for some time...

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/06/asia/india-betwa-frigate-flips/index.html?ref=yfp




kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (12/6/2016 4:15:33 PM)

Not big on the source. But this would be hard to fake.

http://tass.com/defense/917068




kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (12/6/2016 4:19:14 PM)

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rolled over on a 90-degree angle while being docked,


Someone's career took a dive as well ... ouch!




Gunner98 -> RE: Naval and Defense News (12/6/2016 5:27:05 PM)

That's an old ship - one of the first Udaloy's I think. Probably over 30 years old, probably upgraded though.

B




Broncepulido -> RE: Naval and Defense News (12/6/2016 9:59:33 PM)

Admiral Kulakov should be returning from her deployment with the Admiral Kuznetsov CVBG in Eastern Mediterranean. Was one of the ships in the original CVBG steaming from Murmansk in 15 October 2016.




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (12/8/2016 2:26:22 AM)

An interesting report about the Anti-Helicopter drone, or "Flying IED". Rumored of use during anti-ISIS operations:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/amp24056/iraqi-officials-isis-drones-mosul/

quote:

All of this news comes in addition to an already strange drone discovery in February, when the group Conflict Armament Research inspected an ISIS workshop in Ramadi, Iraq, and found several large drones built from scratch from plywood, Styrofoam, and extruded polystyrene. They also discovered disassembled components from a shoulder-launched Strela surface-to-air missile, which indicated that ISIS were attempting to fit the missile's warhead to a drone, presumably as an anti-helicopter weapon. The three-pound warhead would be too big for the Phantom quadrotor drones that ISIS uses for reconnaissance (and occasionally for carrying explosives), hence the bigger fixed-wing drones with its larger 10-foot wingspan.

Drone delivery has a few advantages over just firing a Strela missile like normal. For one, there is no rocket exhaust, so the launch position can't be spotted. Also a drone will not set off helicopters' missile warning receivers and can't be decoyed away from its target by infrared flares.




wild_Willie2 -> RE: Naval and Defense News (12/8/2016 7:01:49 AM)

Yes, and it will be a ***** to fly and to hit a moving target like a helicopter with it. But if you have no guided weapons what so ever, even a minimally effective one is better than nothing.
Even if these things where even minimally effective, countering them would be dead simple. Just strap some cheap Remote Control jammers on your helicopters and be done with it.
W.




Gunner98 -> RE: Naval and Defense News (12/8/2016 4:42:10 PM)

Too bad even these jabonies aren't stupid enough to have a 'return to point of origin' setting if comms is lost [:D]

Look what followed me home!



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