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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (4/5/2016 6:47:14 AM)

Thanks Savelius2, it is an amazing game and we have been lucky now to have two in a row.

Mike is a wonderful and very tough opponent who will once again have my measure but it is a lot of fun. [:)]


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ORIGINAL: savelius2

What an amazing game you have going.




njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (4/5/2016 6:51:56 AM)

It has been an amazing two day battle and neither side is finished with each other yet.

4 US Fleet CVs were hit in the day's action with only 1 suffering major damage. 3 by kamikazes and 1 by a sub.

More subs, MTBs and midget subs are on the way. Everything will be expended except perhaps KB who will operate in the safety of the inland sea.


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Wow, you have spent the entire Japanese Navy from the time of China to now!

Amazing fight, curious to hear more.[&o]

If only the night surface attack could have been coordinated with yesterday's air attack. If only.[:(]



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savelius2 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (4/8/2016 7:06:34 PM)

How did things turn out? Very curious to see how this extremely aggressive invasion turned out for you and your opponent.



njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (4/9/2016 10:07:56 AM)

Hi Savelius2 good to see you are interested.

He has the island and I occasionally bombard it with BBs. He can't base aircraft on it and my smaller patrol craft, subs/midget subs, MTBs and mines blockade it. I suspect the Allies are regrouping and will be back in about a week.

All the action is on land at the moment as the Japanese and Russians fight a war of no mercy. I have detected a group of 50 US/Commonwealth units about to push into Manchuria to help the Ruskies [X(]

On top of that the Soviets scored their first decisive victory on land where they smashed one of my combined arms group and I lost about 250 Type 3 tanks.

Time to regroup and form the next line of defence before the Americans arrive.

Still its 45 so these things are to be expected.




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ORIGINAL: savelius2

How did things turn out? Very curious to see how this extremely aggressive invasion turned out for you and your opponent.




njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (4/13/2016 12:46:57 PM)

Update time [:)] 15th Jan 45

Still plugging away and January has been relatively quiet after the bloodbath of Dec 44.

Happy with the points. I'm pretty sure I can get to Apr/May 45.

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (4/13/2016 12:50:38 PM)

Russia- has been great fun and Mike has slowly been advancing.

Interestingly the IJA has managed to rally again after some massive battles and has commenced pushing back the Soviets. Rebuilt divisions from the Home Islands combined with arty, armour and air have been effective in halting the advance (Soviet air force no longer exists).

Now if the Allies don't intervene I could push him right back to the border again.[:)]

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (4/13/2016 12:54:11 PM)

China- but of course the Allies are going to intervene and they are close after overrunning all the clear terrain in China.

In a couple of weeks a massive allied formation will start to surge into Manchuria and there is nothing I can do to stop him. Strong points are being prepared.

Any attempt to land on the coast of Korea, especially closer to the home islands would turn into a blood bath for both sides. I'm not sure he wants another repeat of Dec 44 but I could be wrong.

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (4/13/2016 12:57:42 PM)

Economy/ aircraft pools/pilots - still remain very strong.

My invasion of Oz, India, Russia and running around with KB hasn't hurt my stockpiles in the Home Islands.

I'm more likely to be beaten on points than I am to run out of supplies at this stage. In saying that I do expect the economy to sharply worsen in the next few months when Mike gets serious about strat bombing.

Until then all good.

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ny59giants -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (4/13/2016 1:23:53 PM)

How is your supply situation outside of Japan (Korea, China, and Manchuria)? I see lots of yellow and red exclamation points in your screenshots.



njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (4/13/2016 11:00:08 PM)

Hi NY, supply in the Marianas, Kuriles and the islands close to Japan are fine.

Supply in China is terrible outside of Chungking due to the Allied navy blockade. I am purposefully hoarding supply in the Home Islands and only sending it where it can make a material difference - which is basically Korea and ensuring the smaller islands can conduct air operations.

I still suspect supply won't be an issue in the critical sectors until June 45 and by that stage I would have likely lost the war on points when I get steam rolled in Korea. The carnage during that journey will still be highly entertaining. [:)]



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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

How is your supply situation outside of Japan (Korea, China, and Manchuria)? I see lots of yellow and red exclamation points in your screenshots.



PaxMondo -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (4/14/2016 2:29:56 AM)

You should be able to defend the northern arc of Korea in that good terrain. IF you are able to control the skies, and you must, you will be able to prevent disruption of your forces and keep his disrupted. It will be a blood bath for both sides, but that favors you in every way.

Your economy looks good in HI and Fuel/Oil. Supply is a lot lower than I plan for at this stage. 3M with 18 months to go ... keep your fighter production running flat out and contest the air war heavily. Fighters don't consume that much supply and preventing his bombing your bases will save a you a lot.

Watching with a lot of interest ...

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Lowpe -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (4/14/2016 3:56:33 AM)

You gotta love the 290 something vehicle production. This war has been one heck of a Tank struggle against the Soviets.[X(]

When did you expand your vehicles to that level? From day 1 so to speak, or once you started thinking of fighting the Soviets?

Have you set any devices to stockpile to prevent their manufacture?

I wonder what will happen next? What is the state of your Navy? I want details![:)]

What a great game.[&o]






SqzMyLemon -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (4/14/2016 2:56:37 PM)

I've been popping in and out periodically, but I have to echo Lowpe. What an enjoyable match to follow and I think you've played a remarkable game. I've set myself some time to go back and start from the beginning of your AAR. Thanks for all the effort in putting it together.




PaxMondo -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (4/14/2016 7:06:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

You gotta love the 290 something vehicle production. This war has been one heck of a Tank struggle against the Soviets.[X(]

Keep VEH running flat out as well. 15K pool is good, but you have plenty of HI ... AFV's and MotSup are good uses for it in your LCU's ...



njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (4/14/2016 10:40:38 PM)

Thanks everyone with the suggestions and encouragement.

What a wonderful community we have involved here and I am very grateful that people take the time and effort to contribute. Coupled that with a fantastic opponent in Mike and it has been a very enjoyable experience over the last couple of years.

A couple of quick comments and I will post some screen shots over the weekend on key stats.

Veh Production- I had those numbers roughly set up from the start as I needed quite a bit of armour to crush the Chinese. Fighting the Soviets the Type 3 has been a Godsend but I have really chewed through the Vehicle points after some massive battles and heavy losses. I am amazed how many veh points I have gone through in the last 3 months. The total use to sit comfortably over 40K if memory serves me right.

Pax- completely agree with the Northern Korea arc defensive terrain. This is where all my battle groups are heading after they successfully??? break contact with the Soviets. Fighter production has been maxed out for a while and I will show some more stats on this as well.

My fear is a landing on the Korean coast below the key defensive terrain and that is where most of my fleet is poised to strike.

What's left of the IJN? Very few CAs (perhaps 4) or CLs and DD loses have also been very heavy.

I have lost a total of 4 Fleet CVs and 2 CVLs. 5 x BBs are also gone so you can see I still have quite a few BBs and CVs operational.

Good to see you sqzmylemon and thank you for your kind comments.








PaxMondo -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (4/15/2016 3:53:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: njp72

My fear is a landing on the Korean coast below the key defensive terrain and that is where most of my fleet is poised to strike.


Of course, always a fear at this point.

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (4/15/2016 9:18:19 AM)

State of the aircraft pools.

All ready to be unleashed in the next 6 months.[:D]

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (4/15/2016 9:21:40 AM)

And they will all be needed.

A typical air strike from last turn against some unfortunate ground troops with no air cover.

I guessed the wrong hex. [:(]

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PaxMondo -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (4/15/2016 8:46:57 PM)

I wouldn't use any more supply to expand AC production. You have ~1200/mo on your fighters which is ok. You need to plan on using a lot of Oscars as you have the build capacity there.

Assuming your engine production balances your AC production, I would hold pat on engine expansion also. You're likely already seeing how fast you can burn through supply at this point.



Lowpe -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (4/15/2016 11:27:26 PM)

This is the classic game that makes me urge all JFB's to build the Jack.

The Jack is a superior defensive fighter over the George. The climb & early arrival date make a IMHO a better choice than the George. The George is for offensive sweeps & should be built, but the final Jack could have been in production with a very minimal r&d program 12 months a head of time.

The final generation planes simply do not come quick enough, nor in large enough numbers, to be as meaningful as getting the Frank A in mid 43 and the J2M5 in Jan of 44.

Two size 30 factories r&d the J2M2 from Dec 7 should start research around Nov/Dec/Jan of 1942. Advance it to the J2M5 and get the engine bonus and you net 4 points of r&d a day, acceleration every month and the J2M5 starts production roughly Jan of 1944 or sooner.

It takes a much bigger investment to get the final George by that date.

Just my humble thoughts on the Jack.[:)]



njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (4/16/2016 12:47:28 AM)

Thanks Lowpe I haven't been so fond of the Jack but that is largely because this is a PDU- off game and so few sentais use them.

Overall in air to air fighting I have found the George to be my best airframe and unit statistics tend to reinforce this.

However the most valuable aircraft which has stopped Allied sweeps over critical parts of the battlespace (where I have supply) is without doubt the Frank R. So many units use this airframe that it is an absolute must.

The last version of the Tojo has also rendered excellent service and continues to do so well into 45.

The Oscar IV and Zero 8 and 5C are all still worthy workhorses and like the Tojo, perform better than many players give credit for. At this stage fighting over our own bases in a largely defensive settings has seen a very steady improvement in pilot quality amongst dedicated fighter groups. This has probably had more of an impact than the airframe in restricting allied sweeps and preventing Mike from gaining air superiority. I suspect his pools of aircraft are quite low.

Just my observations. [:)]



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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

This is the classic game that makes me urge all JFB's to build the Jack.

The Jack is a superior defensive fighter over the George. The climb & early arrival date make a IMHO a better choice than the George. The George is for offensive sweeps & should be built, but the final Jack could have been in production with a very minimal r&d program 12 months a head of time.

The final generation planes simply do not come quick enough, nor in large enough numbers, to be as meaningful as getting the Frank A in mid 43 and the J2M5 in Jan of 44.

Two size 30 factories r&d the J2M2 from Dec 7 should start research around Nov/Dec/Jan of 1942. Advance it to the J2M5 and get the engine bonus and you net 4 points of r&d a day, acceleration every month and the J2M5 starts production roughly Jan of 1944 or sooner.

It takes a much bigger investment to get the final George by that date.

Just my humble thoughts on the Jack.[:)]



Lowpe -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (4/16/2016 1:00:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: njp72

Thanks Lowpe I haven't been so fond of the Jack but that is largely because this is a PDU- off game and so few sentais use them.

Overall in air to air fighting I have found the George to be my best airframe and unit statistics tend to reinforce this.

However the most valuable aircraft which has stopped Allied sweeps over critical parts of the battlespace (where I have supply) is without doubt the Frank R. So many units use this airframe that it is an absolute must.

The last version of the Tojo has also rendered excellent service and continues to do so well into 45.

The Oscar IV and Zero 8 and 5C are all still worthy workhorses and like the Tojo, perform better than many players give credit for. At this stage fighting over our own bases in a largely defensive settings has seen a very steady improvement in pilot quality amongst dedicated fighter groups. This has probably had more of an impact than the airframe in restricting allied sweeps and preventing Mike from gaining air superiority. I suspect his pools of aircraft are quite low.

Just my observations. [:)]



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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

This is the classic game that makes me urge all JFB's to build the Jack.

The Jack is a superior defensive fighter over the George. The climb & early arrival date make a IMHO a better choice than the George. The George is for offensive sweeps & should be built, but the final Jack could have been in production with a very minimal r&d program 12 months a head of time.

The final generation planes simply do not come quick enough, nor in large enough numbers, to be as meaningful as getting the Frank A in mid 43 and the J2M5 in Jan of 44.

Two size 30 factories r&d the J2M2 from Dec 7 should start research around Nov/Dec/Jan of 1942. Advance it to the J2M5 and get the engine bonus and you net 4 points of r&d a day, acceleration every month and the J2M5 starts production roughly Jan of 1944 or sooner.

It takes a much bigger investment to get the final George by that date.

Just my humble thoughts on the Jack.[:)]



How many George squadrons are there now? I know the Jack peaks at 4 and I seem to think the George isn't much better.

PDU off: just repeat after me Sam and Frank. Sam and Frank. [:)] Ok, throw in Tony, too.

Have you found a use for Stella's?[:D] How about Hickory's?[:D]



Lowpe -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (4/16/2016 2:38:15 AM)

Okay, looking at Dababes this is what you have:

4 squadrons flying J2M3 or better for a total of slightly more than 130 planes. N1K2 George has a few more squadrons for a total of 180+.

The Jacks upgrade from the A6M2 or A6M5 or start as a Jack.

Good fighters are scarce for the Navy before the Sam, so I would be all over the Jack and set production to fill those four squadrons.

If the George is your most effective fighter, then I think the Jack would have been right up there with it whether you went with the J2M3 or J2M5 model.

Sorry for being such a Jack fanboy.[:)]

Don't like the first Jack that much.



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PaxMondo -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (4/16/2016 6:57:02 PM)

but you really do need sam for the IJN ... given that you can't and don't then use the A6M's in your low layers of CAP ...



njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (4/30/2016 12:13:04 AM)

Yep Pax my biggest mistake with aircraft was my decision to ignore the Sam.


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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

but you really do need sam for the IJN ... given that you can't and don't then use the A6M's in your low layers of CAP ...




njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (4/30/2016 12:16:34 AM)

Apologies for my tardiness work and family have been very busy.

Game continues at a solid pace and is still very enjoyable. After some massive clashes, Feb 45 has been a month of consolidation as Mike commences wiping out isolated pockets in Malaysia and China.

Air to air action continues to be very heavy and I believe I have finally dealt some heavy blows to his 4e bomber fleet.

Happy with the score given how little land I now hold and the losses my army has sustained.

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (4/30/2016 12:18:39 AM)

Economy- better than I suspected and still more than adequate than I require for Feb 45.

Still it is in a state of permanent decline with oil pretty much all gone. Plenty of supplies in the HI will ensure a very robust defence.

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (4/30/2016 12:22:57 AM)

Aircraft pools

This is one area of the battle that I think I am still bordering on remaining competitive.

By Mike's own admission his bomber pools are shot to pieces though they have been decisive in clearing my defensive positions in China and Manchuria. His few attempts at daylight strat bombing on the HIs has not gone well.

With the current state of my airforce, the quality of my pilots and the amount of supply I have, it is very difficult for Mike to operate near the HI for any length of time.

Again the Frank R has been a critical factor.

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (4/30/2016 12:24:27 AM)

China- the Chinese have re-emerged in vast swarms after Chengtu(?) was recaptured.

Chungking will fall soon [:(]

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (4/30/2016 12:27:21 AM)

Happier story in Manchuria as all major battlegroups have avoided the trap from the Russians from the East and the Allies from the West.

Digging in now and I suspect I can hold out here for quite a few months. I have given up quite a bit of terrain (including Port Arthur) as I don't want to be cut off and destroyed.

The closer the battle gets near the HI the easier it will be.

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