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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (5/21/2016 4:52:34 AM)

Leading Japanese pilots

Nothing to surprising here with most of my top guns dead. The IJN is heavily over represented at the top but the vast majority of aces are IJA, flying the Frank R, Oscar and Tojos.

I have tried to be careful with my pilots (less so with airframes) and thus despite losing close to 40K of aircraft I have only lost half of that in pilots.

The end result is the Home Islands are full of highly experienced fighter groups which is why it is such a tough nut to crack.

Not so with regards to the quality of attack pilots which are very mediocre in quality due to massive losses.

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CaptHaggard -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (5/21/2016 5:28:04 PM)

NJP72— Just off the turnip truck here, but trying to pick things up...

I have already read Wargmr's AAR and now yours... really the most exciting AARs I have come across. I mean, one might think I'd be bored seeing the same game played out again, but no—a truly nice job, great to binge. What a game! Thank you!

I do have one question. Early on, it seems a great nemesis of the Allies is the Betty. A plane that really has no double in Allied inventories, a truly potent anti-ship LBAC. Even though, cost-wise, it makes perfect sense to concentrate on producing top-line fighters, why do these seem relegated to a much lesser role in AS operations, especially when his fleets are in such close proximity?

Anyway, rock on—great stuff!



PaxMondo -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (5/21/2016 6:26:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: njp72


The end result is the Home Islands are full of highly experienced fighter groups which is why it is such a tough nut to crack.

Not so with regards to the quality of attack pilots which are very mediocre in quality due to massive losses.


A common plight, but one that is very difficult to overcome. You have to really focus on this from 12/7/41 ... and during 42/43 you seem to have MORE bomber pilots than you think you will ever use until 44... then you never have enough.



njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (5/22/2016 2:19:57 AM)

Hi and welcome aboard Capt Haggard.

It has been a wonderful game fought on many different continents and land masses, Australia, India, Russia and now Korea. To have a wonderful game though you need a wonderful opponent which I am very lucky to have with Mike.

With regard to the Betty it is a very versatile mount and very effective against the Allies in early 42 when their shipping is scattered and they lack modern fighter aircraft. Unfortunately, it doesn't take long for good allied players to start to provide adequate protection to their convoys and the Betty's are horrifically vulnerable.

I transfer most of my Betty's to naval search as by 44 the chances of them delivering a successful attack against a well protected navy target is very low/nil. There is also the cost involved. By 44 and 45 the IJN have more than capable one engine attack aircraft which are cheaper to produce, have greater survivability and more likely to deliver a successful attack than the Betty or even the Francis.

Thanks for reading





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ORIGINAL: CaptHaggard

NJP72— Just off the turnip truck here, but trying to pick things up...

I have already read Wargmr's AAR and now yours... really the most exciting AARs I have come across. I mean, one might think I'd be bored seeing the same game played out again, but no—a truly nice job, great to binge. What a game! Thank you!

I do have one question. Early on, it seems a great nemesis of the Allies is the Betty. A plane that really has no double in Allied inventories, a truly potent anti-ship LBAC. Even though, cost-wise, it makes perfect sense to concentrate on producing top-line fighters, why do these seem relegated to a much lesser role in AS operations, especially when his fleets are in such close proximity?

Anyway, rock on—great stuff!



njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (5/22/2016 2:25:39 AM)

So true and my silly attacks on his fleet CV's drained the pools very quickly in the last month.

I have an enormous amount of training groups arriving now which I am using to train up masses of new pilots and rebuild a large reserve. Not that keen to make them all kamikaze squadrons as I have plenty of these already.

These training groups just keep on arriving and I am keen to try out these flimsy biplanes- Willow
etc.

What are people's experiences with these biplanes?- I am guessing not much. [:D]

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo



A common plight, but one that is very difficult to overcome. You have to really focus on this from 12/7/41 ... and during 42/43 you seem to have MORE bomber pilots than you think you will ever use until 44... then you never have enough.




PaxMondo -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (5/22/2016 3:42:52 AM)

Yeah, my results have been lousy with those flimsy things. They are just too fragile and too slow to survive long enough for a successful attack... still they do work. fast (350) and big bombs (800).



njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (5/25/2016 11:45:46 AM)

Korea- The last stand

Epic battles continue in Korea against US/Commonwealth forces in the West and the Soviets in the East.

Thus far the veteran divisions who have fought the Chinese, Soviets, Commonwealth and US forces have defended well and inflicted heavy losses on the Allies. Some of the divisions/units are survivors from the Burma front who have marched/railed their entire way back to the Korean peninsula!

About a week ago approximately 9+ US Battalions of Armour (850 AFVs) surged forward and cut my rail lines near Keijo. Whilst doing so they also happen to slaughter a couple of battered inf divisions trying to rail their way south to safety.

After some careful thought, I decided to launch a major attack counter attack from Keijo to try to catch his armour in the open.

I also thought it would make for a nice distraction from the slaughter of my remaining forces in China.[:)]








njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (5/25/2016 11:47:57 AM)

Of course the element of surprise was never going to happen and whilst I avoided the coastline (and thus his BB bombardments) sure enough about 350 allied bombers attacked my forces in the open.

I had plenty of AA units and fighters to protect my airforces and thus the epic struggle commenced.

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (5/25/2016 11:49:21 AM)

But they kept on coming and my air cover was soon exhausted.. sigh [8|]

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (5/25/2016 11:52:40 AM)

And yet when all seemed lost my forces though badly disrupted, shocked attacked the Allied armour and ....... surprisingly won thanks to the quality of the units, plenty of Type 3 tanks and arty.

Close to half of the Allied armour destroyed and the survivors retreated.

A minor victory in dark times, though it does demonstrate the Japanese still have teeth even in April 45 as long as supply is available.



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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (5/25/2016 11:56:59 AM)

It was a massive day of battles as the Russians and US forces assaulted multiple positions across Korea and were repulsed with heavy losses (thousands of casualties, and plenty of AFVs destroyed as the Japanese still have supply in Korea).

Unfortunately these victories were somewhat reduced by the elimination of multiple cut off and starving pockets of IJA in China. [8|]



njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (5/25/2016 12:05:47 PM)

Korea- current status

The red stars indicate strong IJA positions usually with 800 AV+ with armour and arty.

Note there are very little positions on the coast as Allied BB bombardments just murder even strong defensive positions. I much prefer to fight his air, for at least I can inflict some casualties and have a chance.

You will also note the 20+ allied units heading south to avenge his armour [8|]

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (5/25/2016 12:19:55 PM)

Int screen- score board

Two key take aways from this screen shot.

1. The incredible difference in base points as I have effectively lost just about every position on the map except Japan and some central islands [:D]

2. The massive ground unit losses on both sides. I think it is the highest I have just about seen in a Pbem so the slaughter amongst our digital men has indeed been horrific[;)]

With still plenty of loyal and devout servants, plenty of air and quite a few ships left there is absolutely no thought of surrender.

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savelius2 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (5/25/2016 1:29:56 PM)

It looks like you're suffering the most on the air front. Between now and February you lost almost 5000 VP of planes, while your opponent only lost 1500. Base points you can't do much about, same with the elimination of pocketed forces (and I don't know what portion of your army points come from that versus your counterattack, etc), but on the air side it looks like throwing planes against shipping is a losing proposition.

Even if you killed multiple fleet carriers, if it cost you thousands of planes you might end up worse off on the VP ratio. And transport ships, while valuable from a game standpoint, just don't have the VP value to be worth the planes to sink them if you're playing for time.

On the plus side you're almost out of base points to lose, which is the biggest factor in the VP ratio, and the ground war if not overly one sided favors you too.



PaxMondo -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (5/25/2016 2:07:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: njp72

Korea- current status

The red stars indicate strong IJA positions usually with 800 AV+ with armour and arty.

Note there are very little positions on the coast as Allied BB bombardments just murder even strong defensive positions. I much prefer to fight his air, for at least I can inflict some casualties and have a chance.

You will also note the 20+ allied units heading south to avenge his armour [8|]

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I would pull all forces in Korea to E/W line at Keijo. Otherwise you risk losing all those forces to no gain. Move quick before he cuts the Eastern RR line going south ...



Lowpe -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (5/25/2016 3:08:54 PM)

Keijo does look like a nice line.[:)] Well a potential nice line.

Moppo and Gunzan probably can't be held....do to naval bombardment.


Going after ships is just really tough...especially Allied fleet carriers and floating AA ships.

Great fight, and I have never seen the Allies lose so much in lcu vp in a pbem before either.






PaxMondo -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (5/26/2016 4:13:08 AM)

Active SOV makes for very bloody ground war ... we haven't seen an AAR with SOV active this long since ... well I don't remember one right now ... [;)]



njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (5/26/2016 11:06:31 AM)

Thanks savelius2 there are some good points below.

I did on at least 2 occasions get suckered into attacking his CVs and promptly paid a high price. It certainly was not my intention and since then I have kept a close eye on my range settings as to not fall for the same trap again. As you will note throughout my entire AAR I have often tried to attack softer targets as opposed to trying to sink his CVs.

Unfortunately Japanese airframes are fickle and flimsy beasts and Mike really knows how to keep the pressure on. Massive sweeps at critical locations (which I must defend) followed by hundreds of bombers concentrated on a single airbase will inevitably lead to high losses.

On the plus side I know he is really feeling his losses and his pools are light on, especially the B24J. Even his fighters have taken heavy losses where as my pools despite the carnage, continue to build. I will run out of supply first before I run out of airframes and pilots.

On another note, these training groups just don't stop arriving in 45!!!!!



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ORIGINAL: savelius2

It looks like you're suffering the most on the air front. Between now and February you lost almost 5000 VP of planes, while your opponent only lost 1500. Base points you can't do much about, same with the elimination of pocketed forces (and I don't know what portion of your army points come from that versus your counterattack, etc), but on the air side it looks like throwing planes against shipping is a losing proposition.

Even if you killed multiple fleet carriers, if it cost you thousands of planes you might end up worse off on the VP ratio. And transport ships, while valuable from a game standpoint, just don't have the VP value to be worth the planes to sink them if you're playing for time.

On the plus side you're almost out of base points to lose, which is the biggest factor in the VP ratio, and the ground war if not overly one sided favors you too.




njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (5/26/2016 11:11:12 AM)

True but the forces continue to inflict heavy losses on the Soviets who enjoy attacking head first into machine guns and dug in arty.[;)]

He doesn't have the combat power to sever those lines yet and I don't want the Soviets to come pouring through the gaps. Kanko and Genzan are important bases and hubs for me at the moment and I don't want to surrender them just yet. Kanko is great for shipping supply into which Mike keeps on thinking are emergency evacs. [:)]


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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


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I would pull all forces in Korea to E/W line at Keijo. Otherwise you risk losing all those forces to no gain. Move quick before he cuts the Eastern RR line going south ...






njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (5/26/2016 11:15:07 AM)

Thanks Lowpe, it is not a bad line except Keijo is open to BB bombardments which is very annoying[8|]

In the end either way I am totally screwed but I am somewhat hoping the frustration he is feeling in Korea will lead to a premature invasion of the HIs. The HIs would be an utter nightmare for him given the level of fortifications, armour, inf and arty stuck there due to a lack of PPs.

I can only live in hope.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Keijo does look like a nice line.[:)] Well a potential nice line.

Moppo and Gunzan probably can't be held....do to naval bombardment.


Going after ships is just really tough...especially Allied fleet carriers and floating AA ships.

Great fight, and I have never seen the Allies lose so much in lcu vp in a pbem before either.








njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (5/26/2016 11:15:44 AM)

That was always the plan [:D]


quote:

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

Active SOV makes for very bloody ground war ... we haven't seen an AAR with SOV active this long since ... well I don't remember one right now ... [;)]




njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (5/26/2016 11:22:40 AM)

Knocked out Allied armour in Korea 14th Apr after our heavenly victory dedicated to the Emperor[:)]

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (5/27/2016 8:48:53 AM)

Well I'm being pounded at the moment across the map and I would have thought the one safe place would have been Keijo in Korea after his armour was smashed.

Surely Mike would wait, consolidate and conduct some recon before applying additional pressure.

Nope as always, Mike starts moving in for the kill

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (5/27/2016 8:51:09 AM)

He paid for it this time which I guess will buy me about 1 to 2 turns in breathing space before he has another crack.[8|]

I can expect masses of 4e bombers and BB bombardments for my defiance.

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (5/27/2016 10:31:31 AM)

Knocked out US armour in front of a 47mm RFG



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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (5/28/2016 6:16:34 AM)

Massive strikes went in this turn targeting 60+ allied ships in the port at Saishu To.



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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (5/28/2016 6:17:51 AM)

And the following picture sums up the Empire's performance and the remains of the strike packages.

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (5/28/2016 7:19:07 AM)

Another accurate representation of what happened to about 100+ Judys this turn [8|]

The AA over the port was murderous which I should have come to expect in DBB by now.

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Lowpe -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (5/28/2016 12:35:51 PM)

I have to tell you, I am extremely worried about the AA in this mod.[:(] I simply am not sure how you counter it...

Will a high defense pilot help reduce the damage done by Flak?



PaxMondo -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (5/28/2016 4:47:20 PM)

Are you able to put together +500 plane strikes at this time? And of your ~150 plane strike, how many were lost to AA vs CAP?

Asking as his CAP out numbered your strike by 2:1 ... for my strikes to get through '45 allied CAP, I have to be the 2:1 or no hope.



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