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John 3rd -> RE: Operation Sweaty Pants (6/7/2015 7:18:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vicberg

You must be busy with 2.4 BTS. Already downloaded and thanks for your work!


I tried to get that fix done ASAP. WE have several starting games as well as requests for game starts so I cranked out both BTS and BTSL so people could download and play. Reduced garrison requirements in India, China, Occupied China, and got the upgrades/conversions FIXED!




John 3rd -> Deep Strike (6/7/2015 7:37:47 PM)

Here is a 'thought.' I have been doing some 'homework...


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Lowpe -> RE: Deep Strike (6/7/2015 8:02:22 PM)

Calgary and Edmonton are sweet, can you get there with all your forces at Pearl?




vicberg -> RE: Deep Strike (6/7/2015 8:13:36 PM)

Hey, get your own operation! Oh wait, we can't, we are all playing the same game. I'm doing the same thing. I didn't see this until now. Prince Rupert is the key to Canada. Calgary and Edmonton are critical, but no idea if they are achievable. They are both supply and fuel sources and will offset fuel/supply costs to get there.




John 3rd -> Sky Rockets in Flight (6/8/2015 2:12:52 AM)

February 28, 1942

We close February and begin March.

The Plan
Tomorrow--after 3 days R&R--the KB moves back into strike range of Pearl Harbor. CAV Tokachi will provide 6 Kates as the 'bombing portion' of the strike going into PH March 1st. I've set Fleet CAP at 20% and everyone else to escort (target PH). I truly hope this attack smacks American airpower hard.

On March 2nd we'll do the same maneuver in the morning but then Lahaina will fly a Port Strike in the Afternoon. This strike SHOULD consist of 65 ZERO and 81 Betty/Nell. If this occurs then, perhaps, it will scare Mike into releasing the hidden Fleet to be WIPED OUT. The count is consistent at 106 ships/warships in the harbor.

Might get the turn back tonight. If so, I'll Post ASAP!




John 3rd -> RE: Sky Rockets in Flight (6/8/2015 3:25:03 PM)

Michael and I chatted this morning. No turn. He had a busy weekend with work so that took it out of him.

Interesting conversation. He thinks I am coming after Western Australia (as we've spoken about) and/or eastern India since I grabbed Akyab. Think it shall be my professional job to KEPP HIM THINKING these exact possibilities for as long as possible!

He spoke about his biggest fear in a West Coast landing being losing Los Angeles. Interesting...




Amoral -> RE: Sky Rockets in Flight (6/8/2015 4:48:44 PM)

Is the proposed move on price Rupert a foothold to disrupt American industry, or a play for AV? It really changes what follow on forces you want to send first.




Canoerebel -> RE: Sky Rockets in Flight (6/8/2015 6:13:05 PM)

Since Michael posted a "Line of Death" query today, he's thinking through the same things you are thinking through. He can do alot of preparation and work that will/could make things very difficult for you in a very short time. Take that into consideration in evaluating whether a "Canada" gambit makes sense.

Some thoughts in this regard:

(1) Do you need Pearl Harbor now (or soon) or can you isolate it, neuter it, and use better your forces elsewhere (and then, at some later point, perhaps take Pearl)?

(2) Does a strat bombing campaign from Canada make sense? If so, which bases can you grab soon, which will be easy, and which do you need? I think in my game vs. PzH, I commented that "Coal Harbor (N tip of Victoria Island) was the most important hex in North America." Is that right? PzH tried to do most of his work from Alliford Bay, after building its airfield to level four and five, but the distance proved too much for him to maintain the threat effectively.

(3) If a strat bombing campaign can't be sustained or isn't desirable, does the mere threat of one offer you anything, or not?

(4) Can you effectively tag-team the KB and a strat bombing campaign or threat of one to your benefit, or not?

(5) Is there any benefit to ratcheting up tensions in this region while actually turning your attention elsewhere (Oz, SoPac)?

(6) What kind of fighter squadrons will Michael have available on the West Coast? Might he deplete his pools by fighting for Pearl?

(7) Will a sustained Japanese campaign (or appearance of one) draw his carriers to this region? Would that suit you?

(8) Is there a way to permamently destroy American aircraft factories (and possibly other industry) that would offer a net benefit to Japan despite LOD reinforcements? (My working hypothethis would be "no" until I was satisfied otherwise. I think Alfred and Bullwinkle commented about this at length in my AAR with PzH. I think they felt like there actually are circumstances in which it can be done effectively.)

(9) Is auto victory within the realm of possibility? If so, what do you need in the way of taking high-value bases and building them to maximize point potential? Do points gained by strat bombing in North American factor in?

(10) If Michael hasn't stripped West Coast of troops and aircraft, things could get tough for you quickly. He'll have weeks to work on his defenses before you can move in strength to get anything rolling on the West Coast. Time is not your friend. If you're going, you better have this studied fully and the plan draw up and implemented ASAP. If you decide not to go, can you use appearance to worry and bedevil Michel as part of a decoy?

(11) Loose lips sink ships. Judging from your AAR, I think you and Michael are revealing too much intel through emails and telephone calls. (It's a game and if that's part of the fun for you two, then so be it. But if you're trying to push the envelope successfuly, better to maintain security.)

I re-read a fair bit of my AAR with PzH today. I can't believe that game was going on just three years ago (seems more like five, to me). He had his plan in mind from early in the war and had already taken Candian bases in early '42. By March of '42 he was in place to begin using the KB and strat bombing. But I don't think he intended to fully implement a strat bombing campaign and he ultimately didn't go full bore. I was stressed, but it never reach a crisis point. I think I had something like 700 fighters on the West Coast (after stripping Pearl) by April '42.

You'll have some or all of the Hawaiian Islands, which should help considerably with naval operations, and that's a factor in your favor.

Bottom Line: I wonder if it might not be too late for you to pursue this strategy? It might be something that needed to be thought out with the plan and assets lined up even as you were moving on Hawaii. You might be able to do something big and fun, but beware of optimistically heeding the urgings I was giving you last week.





chemkid -> RE: The Cauldron Churns (6/10/2015 1:15:16 PM)

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John 3rd -> RE: The Cauldron Churns (6/10/2015 11:31:40 PM)

Sorry about no updates. My Tues--Wed--Thurs at the store are EVIL! Many hours and little time to write...




vicberg -> RE: The Cauldron Churns (6/11/2015 1:15:46 AM)

No worries. Just on the edge of our seat. Wondering what you will do. Oh no worries.

Hey, probably not the right place to post but just noticed the A7M2 SAM comes in on 9/44 but the engine doesn't come in until 9/45. Something to note or that may be by design.




chemkid -> RE: The Cauldron Churns (6/11/2015 7:14:55 AM)

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John 3rd -> PH Sweep (6/12/2015 2:21:53 PM)

I have been doing daily Sweeps over Pearl Harbor and the American Fighter pilots DO NOT FIGHT!

March 2, 1942
158 Z vs 107 F RESULT: 2 Z for 9 Fighters



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John 3rd -> PH Sweep (6/12/2015 2:25:10 PM)

We rest March 3rd.

March 4th has 154 Zero vs 91 Fighters RESULT: No Loss for 5 American

Here is March 5th sees 126 Zero vs. 85 Fighters RESULT: 1 Zero for 3 American




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John 3rd -> PH Sweep (6/12/2015 2:33:58 PM)

March 6, 1942

Since the American Fighters are not fighting, I order the commitment of all LBA and CV-Air with Kates and Bettys attacking the Port in the Afternoon.

Morning
SWEEP 150 Zero vs. 88 Fighters RESULT: 1 Zero for 3 American

Afternoon (GET THIS)
31 Zero 20 Betty vs. 91 Fighters For the 1st time the American DECIDE to fight: 5 Zero 19 Betty for 8 Fighters.
33 Zero, 9 Liz, 51 Kate vs. 65 Fighters They FIGHT AGAIN: 4 Zero 6 Liz 28 Kate for 9 Fighters
71 Zero 80 Kate vs. 51 Fighters Same Song 3rd Verse: 3 Zero and 24 Kate for 8 Fighters

WHY do they fighter the bomber strikes but not six days of SWEEPS??!! [sm=comp16.gif] ANSWER: It is SMART! Driving me nuts. We are now on around the clock bombing and sweeps. I will force the shipping out of PH to be SUNK! The American fighters will be ground down to nothing!![sm=fighting0043.gif]

The Port did get hit with BBs Oklahoma, Arizona, Tennessee, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, and California taking multiple bombs hits and Arizona/Pennsylvania getting smacked by TTs.


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Sangeli -> RE: PH Sweep (6/12/2015 4:27:19 PM)

Losing planes sucks but you can replace your losses right now. Can't say the same for the Allies.

Anyway, it's about time you make preparations to bombard the base. Frankly I think you should have done it before this KB air attack to save your Kate pilots. Just be sure to keep your DDs out of range of the coastal guns.

Lastly, have you thought about trying bomber sweeps? And by that I mean using a small number of bombers to bomb with a large number of escort fighters. US pilots may be forced to fight if there are any bombers at all.




John 3rd -> RE: PH Sweep (6/12/2015 4:45:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sangeli

Losing planes sucks but you can replace your losses right now. Can't say the same for the Allies.

Anyway, it's about time you make preparations to bombard the base. Frankly I think you should have done it before this KB air attack to save your Kate pilots. Just be sure to keep your DDs out of range of the coastal guns.

Lastly, have you thought about trying bomber sweeps? And by that I mean using a small number of bombers to bomb with a large number of escort fighters. US pilots may be forced to fight if there are any bombers at all.


You are correct. I will trade planes to knock this house of cards down.

Have tried the Massed Fighters escorting a few Bombers. March 3rd: 145 Zero 6 Kate vs. 89 F RESULTS: 3 Zero 3 Kate for 6 Americans.

Bombarding PH??!! The sheer thought terrifies me with those massive CD guns. Won't they shred my BBs? Been holding them back waiting to use them when I land the troops. Am I wrong here? Will gladly listen to thoughts and comments...




Sangeli -> RE: PH Sweep (6/12/2015 5:14:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: John 3rd
Bombarding PH??!! The sheer thought terrifies me with those massive CD guns. Won't they shred my BBs? Been holding them back waiting to use them when I land the troops. Am I wrong here? Will gladly listen to thoughts and comments...

I don't think so. CD guns are notoriously bad in countering bombardment fleets. Before my friend Setloz successfully invaded PH he bombarded the base a number of times with his BBs. They got hit by some shells but I don't even see reports of fires being started so they probably from smaller guns anyway. Frankly I'd be more concerned about the mines than the CD guns when it comes to bombardment. That being said, I'd probably err on the safe side when it comes to the standoff distance of bombardment. Do you have AKE to rearm the BBs nearby?




John 3rd -> RE: PH Sweep (6/12/2015 8:26:30 PM)

Well...that is somewhat encouraging. I have 4 16" BBs at Hilo waiting to do something.

AKEs? Got three at Hilo and 2 at Midway.

Michael is doing a pick-up/drop-off today so I won't see a turn until later tonight. We had a good chat about this and he cannot believe how his fighters have not FOUGHT my Sweeps but are my bombing attacks. We had a good laugh about it. Good to know we can go back-and-forth about stuff without issue.




John 3rd -> March 6, 1942 (6/12/2015 8:35:45 PM)

Combat Report
March 6, 1942
Aleutians

The sparring up north has been pretty continuous. As stated earlier, I moved some warships up here. Three CVEs, BBs Hyuga/Ise, the 4 Kako-Class CLs and about 9 DDs. What I didn't say was that I peeled off 3 CVL and 2 BC to stage another trap to try and catch Michael's BB Colorado and Warspite.

To draw him out, I load the Karafuto Brigade and set out for Akutan. There are four units present there building an AF. Set 36 Zeros for LRCAP to cover the Invasion Force. The CVEs and CVLs will join tomorrow and have not been spotted.

All this planning looks pretty good UNTIL S-23 raises its periscope. Sitting square in the cross hairs is BB Hyuga. Four TTs race into the water and 1 TT hits (Crap!), a 2nd TT strikes (OH CRAAAAP!), and a 3rd TT Plasters into her tender hull EXPLODING THE MAGAZINE!!! (OMG...) Needless to say I begin crying, curl up in little fetal ball, and suck my finger for about 10 minutes. [sm=fighting0056.gif]

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Just---plain---lovely...I told Michael to promote one of his SS Commanders to the rank of ADMIRAL!




Lecivius -> RE: March 6, 1942 (6/12/2015 8:52:14 PM)

Man, that's gonna leave a serious dent [:'(]




Sangeli -> RE: March 6, 1942 (6/12/2015 9:12:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: John 3rd
Just---plain---lovely...I told Michael to promote one of his SS Commanders to the rank of ADMIRAL!

At least it was just a BB instead of a CV. I'm guessing the Hyuga was sunk. Pretty good performance but it doesn't beat my SS Shad which took out the entire Hiyo class of CVs over a two day period [:D]




kjnoel -> RE: PH Sweep (6/13/2015 12:39:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: John 3rd
We had a good chat about this and he cannot believe how his fighters have not FOUGHT my Sweeps but are my bombing attacks.


The answer is in the screenshot where it shows 2 training missions caught up in the attack. Call it a bug, call it a feature but I have never seen a training mission intercept a sweep but very often they will intercept a bombing mission. As long as he keeps units on training this will happen. Maybe you could send some raids with a large escort but few bombers to trigger this and keep your losses down?




John 3rd -> RE: PH Sweep (6/13/2015 6:49:30 PM)

I could try that again.

Sangeli: You had an SS sink BOTH Junyo and Hiyo? WOW! Very rude...




John 3rd -> Elsewhere... (6/13/2015 7:01:57 PM)

Combat Report
March 8, 1942
Aleutians

Meanwhile a trap is being sprung. My CV TF moves in to strike. There is a TF unloading at Cold Bay and the STF I am truly hunting was spotted earlier. The carriers have enough strength to take care of themselves: 78 Zero, 12 Val, and 36 Kate.

The CVs move into position and we're ready to--hopefully--get a little ACTION in the north!


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Olorin -> RE: PH Sweep (6/13/2015 8:46:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: John 3rd
Bombarding PH??!! The sheer thought terrifies me with those massive CD guns. Won't they shred my BBs? Been holding them back waiting to use them when I land the troops. Am I wrong here? Will gladly listen to thoughts and comments...


It's not as risky as it sounds. A mine or CD guns might possibly damage a cruiser or sink a destroyer. I've done it with 6 BBs, bombarding from 6k feet (escorts too) suffering only one DD loss due to a mine hit. Depending on dice rolls, there is a very good chance to close the airbase for good, making your life much easier. If you try it, be sure to have support ships at Lahaina for rapid rearmament.





John 3rd -> RE: PH Sweep (6/13/2015 9:29:36 PM)

The thought really makes me nervous but I think I'll give it a try. Guess 4 16" BB a good numbers of DD and some MSW would do the job. Clearing some mines would be a good thing as well.

I've got 3 AKE, 2 AG, 2 AR and 70,000 supply at Hilo presently. We'll move everyone to Lahaina (there is also 9th Air Fleet and Combined Fleet there) and do some fervent prayers then give it a--literal--shot.




Sangeli -> RE: PH Sweep (6/13/2015 11:07:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: John 3rd
I could try that again.

Sangeli: You had an SS sink BOTH Junyo and Hiyo? WOW! Very rude...

Well I KNOW I sunk the Junyo but the Hiyo didn't look in very good shapes so its hard to say for sure. But either way I had a single sub knock them out singlehandedly. It did more damage than my entire Allied Death star in the previous months battle against the KB! Funny how this game works...
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ORIGINAL: John 3rd
The thought really makes me nervous but I think I'll give it a try. Guess 4 16" BB a good numbers of DD and some MSW would do the job. Clearing some mines would be a good thing as well.

Yes, it's the mines that make me nervous. I'd pack that fleet full of AM and DMS. You've come too far to shy away from bombarding PH. BB bombardment is the deadliest weapon that Japan has against airfields.




John 3rd -> RE: PH Sweep (6/14/2015 2:49:57 PM)

Rat FARTS! Just had a lengthy entry consumed by the Gods and LOST!

OK. Will go to church and then explaining my thoughts on the next few days. Time to kick this house of cards down Pearl Harbor BABY!




John 3rd -> RE: PH Sweep (6/14/2015 2:51:39 PM)

Busy day planned here. We have church, a pot luck, a bit of time off, and then a BBQ with my Staff. HOPE to get that entry re-written and tackle the turn just arrived in my in-box. Hope Michael has caught up on his AAR because I really want us to together in our Posting for the next week of game time...




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