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Rio Bravo -> THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) (4/29/2015 11:23:46 PM)
THE WAR COLLEGE DEDICATION This After Action Report is dedicated to Monty Earl Montagne, Sr. (02/26/23-02/19/99). My father enlisted in the United States Coast Guard on July 28, 1942 at Omaha, Nebraska. He served his country during WWII until his discharge at Long Beach, California on September 13, 1945. His pay rate at the time of discharge was $119.70 month. He is entitled to the American Theater of Operations Ribbon, European Theater of Operations ribbon, Asiatic-Pacific Theater of Operations ribbon and at discharge was issued a Good Conduct Medal, Honorable Discharge button, blue Honorable Service lapel button, and travel pay at the rate of five cents per mile ($91.55) for travel from Long Beach back to Omaha. He held the following ratings: Apprentice Seaman, Seaman 2c, Seaman 1c, Sonarman 3c, Sonarman 2c, and Sonarman 1c. He completed Sound Operation School and he turned down a promotion offered to him because he didn’t want to boss his buddies around (laughing). His tour of duty is as follows: 07/28/42: Enlistment date 08/08/42: CGTS Alameda, California 10/19/42: USCGC Haida, Bering Sea and Arctic Ocean 04/01/45: CG Bks, New Cham St., New York City, New York 04/03/45: Manhattan Beach, Brooklyn, New York 04/05/45: U.S.S. Chambers (DE-391, Edsell Class), North Atlantic and the Mediterranean Sea. 09/11/45: U.S.C.G. Discharge Center, Long Beach, California 09/13/45: Honorably Discharged My pa had a close call one time while on Sonar duty. He tracked a torpedo that went right under his ship. I can’t remember where he was when this happened, but by looking at his tour of duty record, I suspect that he was aboard the USCGC Haida. The USCGC Haida was built in 1921 at Oakland, California at a cost of $775,00.00. The length was 240 feet, the beam 39 feet, and the displacement 1,780 tons. It had a steel hull. After the war, my pa received a Bachelors degree in biology from South Dakota State and was a Wildlife Biologist for the United States Forest Service managing the wildlife and their habitat on the Lassen, Tahoe, and Los Padres National Forests. Pa worked hard to help preserve the following species: The Lahotten Cutthroat Trout, California Condor, and Hybrid Double Blunt-Nosed Leopard Lizard. Rest in peace, pa. ________________________________________________________________________ PBEM Opponents I (Rio Bravo) will be playing the Allies. El Lobo will be playing the Japanese. If you’d like to learn a bit more about Les and myself, you can read my thread under The War Room entitled “Introducing Myself.” For you Evil Empire fans, El Lobo will have a companion AAR entitled “The Gamiest Game in Town.” I have invited El Lobo to stop by and say hi to everyone at The War College until May 2, 2015 (This coming Saturday); the date our war commences. Settings & House Rule WITPAE Scenario 2 Fog of War On Advanced Weather Effects On Allied Damage Control Off Player Defined Upgrades On December 7 Surprise Off Historical First Turn Off Reliable USN Torpedoes Off Realistic R&D On Unit Withdrawals On Only One House Rule: Victory Points and Victory Conditions do not apply. A HUGE THANK YOU TO ALL I have had fun reading everyone’s AARs and War Room antics. I thank each of you for your efforts, good information and for providing hours of fantastic entertainment. I also thank the creators and developers of WITPAE. You did an awesome job! Everyone is welcome to follow The War College AAR. END NOTE This AAR is entitled “The War College” for a most suitable purpose. I am hoping all allied War Cabinet members, Generals, and troops will meet with me so we can put our heads together and discuss the mechanics of the game, strategies, and tactics as we proceed to dismantle and destroy the Rising Sun! Best regards, -Terry

el lobo -> RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) (4/30/2015 6:45:34 AM)
Hi Everyone, I hope this is going to be a real Wild West shoot-out. Rio is a very intelligent, aggressive game player who has played board games of this type since way back when they were really board games. You know, those big maps with little hex pieces of paper and stuff. He would be a tough opponent for anyone but will be doubly tough for me since I have never played a game of this type. On top of that, I have never been able to beat him at any game. I think came close to a draw with him in chess, once. That is one reason he was so nice in giving me Scenario 2 because I will need all of the advantages I can get. Terry and I have been friends for over fifty years now. I knew his dad well and a +1 to his dedication. I would also like to +1 his “Thank You.” and an added thanks to the Devs. Rio and I are one time zone away from living on opposite sides of the world and with-out PBEM this game would not be possible. We have had nothing but fun playing the games mentioned above and this is going to be no different. Win, loose, or draw, our goal will be as always, to have fun. (I say that out loud but deep down I am thinking that I hope I kick his butt all over the board.) Now I don't want any of you to think that I think Rio is a nice guy. He is a sneaky, low-down, bush-whacking, horse-thieving SOB who will ambush me the first chance he gets. That is why I am going to try to be an even sneakier, lower-down, more bush-whacking, horse-thieving and cattle rustling SOB than he is. So Rio, pick-up those six-guns, and good luck to you. (That sound you just heard was me cambering a round in my ol' Model 55 Winchester.) For those of you who were able to slog through all the old west metaphors, I hope you will join us. El Lobo ps: BTY, I hope you all get “Fs” in War College.

Rio Bravo -> RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) (4/30/2015 7:02:46 AM)
El Lobo- Pretty kind words about me coming from a scoundrel lower than a rattlesnake in a wagon wheel rut. sitting off a thousand yards, watching El Lobo load his peashooter and sighting in with the Hawkins 50 caliber Duck, good friend...lead is coming your way. -Rio Bravo

el lobo -> RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) (4/30/2015 1:27:37 PM)
Well Rio my friend all well deserved. I'll take your advise and duck, for now, but turn one in coming-up and then and there-after there will be a lot of ducking by both of us. I am going to butt-out now. See you back here in a couple of years. I will be posting my opening soon, drop-by and say hi, and then, get outta Dodge. El Lobo

witpqs -> RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) (4/30/2015 1:45:33 PM)
Good luck, guys! [:)]

Rio Bravo -> RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) (4/30/2015 10:58:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs Good luck, guys! [:)] Thanx,witpqs.

Bif1961 -> RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) (5/1/2015 1:26:42 AM)
Have fun and enjoy. I know I will while reading your AAR.

DOCUP -> RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) (5/1/2015 5:59:37 AM)
Good luck.

Rio Bravo -> RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) (5/1/2015 6:57:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bif1961 Have fun and enjoy. I know I will while reading your AAR. Outstanding, Bifi. Welcome to the War College Cabinet.

Rio Bravo -> RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) (5/1/2015 6:58:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DOCUP Good luck. Thanx, Docup. Welcome aboard.

Rio Bravo -> RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) (5/2/2015 9:54:04 PM)
December 7, 1941 WE ARE AT WAR GENTLEMEN I was minding my own business this morning, having a mug of fresh, steaming hot coffee and trying to come up with a good excuse to tell the fiance as to why I couldn’t mow the lawn today when I received Intel’s Combat Report. I am advised Vigan and Laoag have fallen. Two of the three destroyers out of Hong Kong have been sunk and the third heavily damaged and on fire. The CL Boisie ran into an armada of Japanese warships and transports; she set seven on fire, including a CA, three DDs, and three transports. After taking twelve hits, the Boisie slipped beneath the waves. It appears that we have also lost a few transports and a couple support ships. Two midget subs at Pearl Harbor were unsuccessful. Additional details are sketchy at this point, however my coffee seems to have lost a bit of its flavor. FULL STEAM AHEAD…AWAY! All ships and all aircraft West of the Line Islands, that are capable of attempting to evade the Rising Sun’s onslaught, have been ordered to either head East to Colombo or South to Adelaide. Upon consolidation of these ships at their destinations, decisions will be made for transports and tankers to head for Cape Town, Aden, or Abadan for fuel, supply, aircraft, and troop transport purposes (primarily, everything from Cape Town, Aden, and Abadan will go to India). All ships in the vicinity of the Line Islands and East thereof have been ordered to Pearl Harbor. Those on the USA West Coast are loading fuel and supplies and will head to Pearl Harbor. Most of the unrestricted troops in the USA and those to be bought out are heading to San Diego for initial transport to Pearl Harbor with the exception that some are heading to Prince Rupert for deployment in Alaska and the Aleutian Islands. All USA unrestricted aircraft, including but not limited to the II U.S. Fighter squadrons and the V U.S. Bomber squadrons are heading for San Francisco for transport to Pearl Harbor. The transport ships in the vicinity of the Elice Islands are heading for Tahiti. All restricted troops and aircraft in Malaysia, Philippine, Luzon, DEI, and those in that vicinity will remain in place and fight where they are until withdrawal to a nearby location seems more prudent. These troops and aircraft will fight and no doubt all die. Efforts are being made to try to get out some of the unrestricted troops and all of the unrestricted aircraft. All Australian armor units are heading to Perth to be bought out into I Australian Corps to be shipped to India. All I Australia Corps troops will eventually group in India. The three troop transport task forces carrying troops located in ports along the India Coast are unloading the troops in those ports. The Cape Town task force carrying troops are heading for Bombay. All Hong Kong troops have been loaded for an amphibious invasion and are presently directed to head to Batavia to be rerouted from there to India (will take massive luck to get to their destination in tact). Chinese troops are primarily heading West to escape the Japanese lines and form up in the woods with other Chinese troops already North and West of the Japanese. High Command is indecisive as to whether to march some Chinese to India. All Burma troops are heading Northwest into India. For the time being, all Indian troops remain in place. END NOTE FOR DECEMBER 7, 1941 I will soon provide a general synopsis of a potential allied grand strategic plan. However, as much as this potential Allied Strategic Plan interests me, it is not engraved in gold as to pursue this particular strategy might very well end in decimating the Allies versus accomplishing what I hope it would accomplish. Accordingly, I will toss out the potential strategy for the War College to dissect, analyze, and provide comment, including but not limited too, either helping to provide solutions for massive problems involved or for scrapping the strategy all together. I will now switch from coffee to a scotch on the rocks to lick my wounds. Your humble War College friend and colleague, -Terry

Lowpe -> RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) (5/2/2015 11:28:31 PM)
Boise![sm=comp16.gif] Brings a smile every time she slips under. Sorry, unrepentant JFB here.[:)] You are bold trying to evacuate troops from Hong Kong! You might be better off sending them to Wenchow if you can.

BBfanboy -> RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) (5/2/2015 11:59:45 PM)
Sounds like Boise gave the escorts in that transport group a solid fight. Where are Houston, Marblehead, and the old 4 stacker DDs? Can they take advantage of low ammo stocks on that escort and hit the transport TF again? Can the Dutch CLs and DDs? Nothing blows the IJ timetable like losing an entire TF of troops! I like your idea of sending the Australian armoured units to India. It leaves Oz naked but India is more important, and offers the chance of land advances toward Burma/China later on, but before the Allies have command of the sea. Good luck with the next few turns!

Rio Bravo -> RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) (5/3/2015 12:38:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Boise![sm=comp16.gif] Brings a smile every time she slips under. Sorry, unrepentant JFB here.[:)] You are bold trying to evacuate troops from Hong Kong! You might be better off sending them to Wenchow if you can. coughs and stammers out Kinda hard to welcome you considering you're right pleased I lost my precious Boisie. laughing I did look at lots of places to evacuate the Hong Kong troops...somewhere in China for sure. I chose not to because during my test games against the AI, I always had trouble having enough supply just for the Chinese much less some odd Brits and Canadians. Also, I think El Lobo will make a big deal out of China, want all of China, and most likely take it before I can cure my hangover...In which case those Hong Kong Brits and Canucks would die side by side with the Chinese. Nonetheless, your sage and experienced advice is always appreciated and most welcome. thank you, Lowpe. Ah, what the hell...welcome, Lowpe. Regards- -Terry

Rio Bravo -> RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) (5/3/2015 12:53:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy Sounds like Boise gave the escorts in that transport group a solid fight. Where are Houston, Marblehead, and the old 4 stacker DDs? Can they take advantage of low ammo stocks on that escort and hit the transport TF again? Can the Dutch CLs and DDs? Nothing blows the IJ timetable like losing an entire TF of troops! I like your idea of sending the Australian armoured units to India. It leaves Oz naked but India is more important, and offers the chance of land advances toward Burma/China later on, but before the Allies have command of the sea. Good luck with the next few turns! Yes BBfanboy, from the Combat Report it looked like the Boisie gave that Evil Empire Armada a few shells of her own. I didn't save a copy of my first turn I sent to El Lobo and I can't remember where the Houston, Marblehead, and indicated DDs are. When I get El Lobo's second turn back I will look for them along with the Repulse and POW and perhaps visit those Empire ships that sunk the Boisie (good idea, good advice, thank you). The CVL Ryujo with three accompanying CAs has been reported to be in the vicinity of Jolo. And, at this point, I have no idea where the big KB is, nor whether it is a big KB or smaller ones. Lastly, in a couple to a few hours I will be posting a grand strategy I would love to try (note: at this point it is extremely debatable whether it will be implemented) that involves one prong that heads from India to Korea through China and Manchuria(so, yes...China!). Regards BBfanboy, -Terry

Rio Bravo -> RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) (5/4/2015 2:36:29 AM)
OPERATION TENDERFOOT (December 1, 1942 through December 31, 1943) Opening Note Gentlemen, I am both intrigued and excited about presenting Operation Tenderfoot to you for your valued consideration and comment. I am aware of several major obstacles that presently appear to be unsolvable in order for Operation Tenderfoot to succeed. And, I am sure there are several additional major obstacles that I haven’t even thought of yet. I am optimistic that the combined mental strength of The War College can address and find solutions to hurdle these obstacles so that we may implement Operation Tenderfoot. El Lobo’s Expansion of the Japanese Empire El Lobo will be extremely aware of Japan’s dire need to acquire and maintain a steady flow of oil to Japan proper for a lengthy period of time. He will also be extremely aware that he must preserve as many of his war machine assets as possible for the end game. Accordingly, El Lobo will pay fastidious attention to detail and he will be efficient and conservative with his expansion of the Empire, with one exception. That one exception is that El Lobo will want to do something BIG! Accordingly he will earmark substantial assets to invade somewhere. I believe that somewhere will be China. I think El Lobo will take all of China. Synopsis of Operation Tenderfoot Besides hopefully providing interesting fun and perhaps a few new adventures for all of us, the main objective of Operation Tenderfoot is to blockade Japan proper from receiving oil. Operation Tenderfoot will attempt to dissect the IJA through Allied domination and control of a primarily East-West line running from the U.S.A. West Coast through Hawaii, the Marianas Islands, Uhibi Island, Yap Island, Formosa, Hong Kong, and ending in Chung King. The objective of Operation Tenderfoot is to be achieved by December 31, 1943. Phase One Timeline: December 7, 1941 through October 31, 1942. 1.) Secure and hold the following objectives: Anchorage, Seward, Kodiak Is., Cold Bay, Dutch Harbor, Umnak Is., Adak Is., Amchitka Is., Attu, Is., Marcus Is., Midway Is., Wake Is., Hawaiian Islands, Johnston Is., Palmyra Is., Fanning Is., Christmas Is., Baker Is., Canton Is., Pago Pago Is., Wallis Is., Penryn Is., Raiatea Is., and Tahiti. 2.) Set up reconnaissance network (i.e., search planes, subs, and ships) at above locations and endeavor to determine IJA strength at Phase Two invasion locations. 3.) Accomplish all the preparation and training for Phase Two (i.e., pilot training, ship commander selections, troop objectives, positioning of all troops, aircraft, and ships, build fuel and supply at key “jump-off locations, etc.). Basically, be ready to commence Operation Tenderfoot on November 1, 1942. 4.) Diversion: Building up the Aleutian Islands with the hope El Lobo thinks the Allies intend to invade Hokkaido early-on. Phase Two Timeline: November 1, 1942, launch Operation Tenderfoot‘s simultaneous two-pronged offensive as follows: Prong One: From India, invade Burma and push into China to secure a north-south line from Chung King to Hong Kong. Invasion force: The saved Burma Corps, Indian, British, Australian (supplemented with tank brigades bought out in Australia…all of them), ABDA, five U.S. Army Divisions (each Division supplemented with either a tank brigade or anti-tank brigade, two artillery units, sufficient Base Forces, and a Seabee Unit…additionally two combat engineers and three or four EAB units). I estimate the total assault value strength that will enter China will be around 7,500. All available aircraft saved from Malaysia, the Philippines, Sumatra, and Java, the Tenth US squadrons, and numerous other British aircraft from Australia. All British, Australian, and Dutch submarines and Bombardment ships. Prong Two: From the Hawaiian Islands, invade every single Marianas Island, Uhibi Island (I want this Island as it can support a size 9 port), and Yap Island (I want Yap as it can support a size 9 airfield to help protect Uhibi). Invasion Force: All elements of the U.S. Marines (including all defense battalions) supplemented with sufficient supporting forces including Seabees, combat engineers, Base Forces, EABS, artillery, etc. I estimate the total Assault Value of these troops to be around 2,200. All II U.S. Fighter Squadrons and all V. U.S. Bomber squadrons. All sea craft used in Prong Two except for the PT type boats. Phase Three Timeline: Commence this phase no later than June 1, 1943. Prong Three: From the Marianas Islands simultaneous invade all six Japanese bases on Formosa, Pescadores Is., and Orchid Is. Invasion Force: The balance of all available U.S. Army troops with sufficient supporting units (i.e., Base Forces, headquarter units, artillery, engineers, coastal defense units, Seabees, EABs, etc.). I estimate the t Assault Value of these troops to be around 2,700. All Seventh aircraft. All carriers (including British carriers), all U.S. subs, all U.S. Bombardment ships. The U.S. Seventh squadrons. Note: I value Formosa to not only close the Blockade of Japan Proper, but also to supply Hong Kong to supply Prong One forces in China. A Few Notes 1.) Obviously there is a lot more detail concerning Operation Tenderfoot, but I hope I have given you enough information to have a good idea of tentative plans. 2.) I am sure there are things I have not accounted for and haven’t even thought of yet. 3.) I think it would be great fun battling a huge land war in China, Manchuria, and Korea. 4.) I think it would be exciting landing in the Marianas and on Formosa so early. 5.) Once Operation Tenderfoot commences I think it will be fun for all of us. 6.) Lastly, if Operation Tenderfoot is successful by the end of 1943, during 1944 the Allies should be in a good position to jump up the China Coast and into Manchuria and Korea; invade Okinawa; and even consider invading Hokkaido. End Note Operation Tenderfoot is now open to be analyzed with a fine tooth comb. Everything is open for discussion, including but not limited too, Allied asset assignments for the three prongs. I call upon all those that wish to join The War College to begin by tossing out obstacles. I will keep a list of all obstacles and in the near future, will list them. At some point, we can take one obstacle at a time and attempt to find a reasonable and feasible solution. The best of luck to all of us in making Operation Tenderfoot work. If we can’t, we will need to come up with a Plan B, of which, at this time, I have no Plan B. laughing Regards, -Terry

obvert -> RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) (5/4/2015 8:37:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rio Bravo OPERATION TENDERFOOT (December 1, 1942 through December 31, 1943) Opening Note Gentlemen, I am both intrigued and excited about presenting Operation Tenderfoot to you for your valued consideration and comment. I am aware of several major obstacles that presently appear to be unsolvable in order for Operation Tenderfoot to succeed. And, I am sure there are several additional major obstacles that I haven’t even thought of yet. I am optimistic that the combined mental strength of The War College can address and find solutions to hurdle these obstacles so that we may implement Operation Tenderfoot. El Lobo’s Expansion of the Japanese Empire El Lobo will be extremely aware of Japan’s dire need to acquire and maintain a steady flow of oil to Japan proper for a lengthy period of time. He will also be extremely aware that he must preserve as many of his war machine assets as possible for the end game. Accordingly, El Lobo will pay fastidious attention to detail and he will be efficient and conservative with his expansion of the Empire, with one exception. That one exception is that El Lobo will want to do something BIG! Accordingly he will earmark substantial assets to invade somewhere. I believe that somewhere will be China. I think El Lobo will take all of China. Synopsis of Operation Tenderfoot Phase One Timeline: December 7, 1941 through October 31, 1942. 1.) Secure and hold the following objectives: Anchorage, Seward, Kodiak Is., Cold Bay, Dutch Harbor, Umnak Is., Adak Is., Amchitka Is., Attu, Is., Marcus Is., Midway Is., Wake Is., Hawaiian Islands, Johnston Is., Palmyra Is., Fanning Is., Christmas Is., Baker Is., Canton Is., Pago Pago Is., Wallis Is., Penryn Is., Raiatea Is., and Tahiti. 2.) Set up reconnaissance network (i.e., search planes, subs, and ships) at above locations and endeavor to determine IJA strength at Phase Two invasion locations. 3.) Accomplish all the preparation and training for Phase Two (i.e., pilot training, ship commander selections, troop objectives, positioning of all troops, aircraft, and ships, build fuel and supply at key “jump-off locations, etc.). Basically, be ready to commence Operation Tenderfoot on November 1, 1942. 4.) Diversion: Building up the Aleutian Islands with the hope El Lobo thinks the Allies intend to invade Hokkaido early-on. All fine, but the Japanese can still inhibit these plans early. If he wants Cent Pac he'll take it and hold it. The KB can move in to stop anything you're doing before late 43. quote: Phase Two Timeline: November 1, 1942, launch Operation Tenderfoot‘s simultaneous two-pronged offensive as follows: Prong One: From India, invade Burma and push into China to secure a north-south line from Chung King to Hong Kong. Invasion force: The saved Burma Corps, Indian, British, Australian (supplemented with tank brigades bought out in Australia…all of them), ABDA, five U.S. Army Divisions (each Division supplemented with either a tank brigade or anti-tank brigade, two artillery units, sufficient Base Forces, and a Seabee Unit…additionally two combat engineers and three or four EAB units). I estimate the total assault value strength that will enter China will be around 7,500. All available aircraft saved from Malaysia, the Philippines, Sumatra, and Java, the Tenth US squadrons, and numerous other British aircraft from Australia. All British, Australian, and Dutch submarines and Bombardment ships. Prong Two: From the Hawaiian Islands, invade every single Marianas Island, Uhibi Island (I want this Island as it can support a size 9 port), and Yap Island (I want Yap as it can support a size 9 airfield to help protect Uhibi). Invasion Force: All elements of the U.S. Marines (including all defense battalions) supplemented with sufficient supporting forces including Seabees, combat engineers, Base Forces, EABS, artillery, etc. I estimate the total Assault Value of these troops to be around 2,200. All II U.S. Fighter Squadrons and all V. U.S. Bomber squadrons. All sea craft used in Prong Two except for the PT type boats. Very few games show the Allies moving forward in Burma before 43, and most it's 44 before significant territory is gained. You need to look at devices, replacements and airframes very carefully. Your replacements for the Commonwealth troops are **** poor for the duration. The troops won't be scary until their 43 upgrades, so after the time of this intended move, when Indian/Brit troops go from about 22 anti-armor to 75. Other devices like AT and other arty significantly improve but you have to be someplace where you can get these upgrades done and it's a lot of work, let me tell you, you're first time through it. You don't have the fighters to even begin this kind of offensive until mid-43. The Tojo will wipe you out in 42-43 if you try to move on the offensive. For your Pacific side, forget it. The KB is too strong this early, plus you don't have the troops if five US Army divs are in Burma. On top of that you don't even have the Hellcat yet, and you don't even want to think about taking all of the KB without this plane. In 44, with all of the tools the Allies get, it still takes over a month of siege, and sometimes more, for each of the islands. Say you want to invade the three biggest, Saipan, Tinian and Guam. You'll need 3 divisions on the ground for each, well supported with tanks and arty, and you'll have to be able to bombard regularly. You can't at this stage because you'll have no bases to replenish your BBs within a week's trip. The KB will move in and decimate your landings, sink half of your fleet and push your timeline back two years if you try the Marianas so early. In addition you won't have the invasion shipping for this (not enough APA/AKA/LSD/LST) to even lift and land the troops you need. quote: Phase Three Timeline: Commence this phase no later than June 1, 1943. Prong Three: From the Marianas Islands simultaneous invade all six Japanese bases on Formosa, Pescadores Is., and Orchid Is. Invasion Force: The balance of all available U.S. Army troops with sufficient supporting units (i.e., Base Forces, headquarter units, artillery, engineers, coastal defense units, Seabees, EABs, etc.). I estimate the t Assault Value of these troops to be around 2,700. All Seventh aircraft. All carriers (including British carriers), all U.S. subs, all U.S. Bombardment ships. The U.S. Seventh squadrons. Note: I value Formosa to not only close the Blockade of Japan Proper, but also to supply Hong Kong to supply Prong One forces in China. A Few Notes 1.) Obviously there is a lot more detail concerning Operation Tenderfoot, but I hope I have given you enough information to have a good idea of tentative plans. 2.) I am sure there are things I have not accounted for and haven’t even thought of yet. 3.) I think it would be great fun battling a huge land war in China, Manchuria, and Korea. 4.) I think it would be exciting landing in the Marianas and on Formosa so early. 5.) Once Operation Tenderfoot commences I think it will be fun for all of us. 6.) Lastly, if Operation Tenderfoot is successful by the end of 1943, during 1944 the Allies should be in a good position to jump up the China Coast and into Manchuria and Korea; invade Okinawa; and even consider invading Hokkaido. It's great to think big, but remember your opponent may have other ideas. Your SIGINT is really important and can tell you where he's strong and where he's not. By all means if you prep troops and see the KB in the IO in mid 43, go for the Marianas, but remember it may be a short window of opportunity. You may have to do more work to decieve your opponent into thinking you'll move elsewhere before this. It's a lot of fun, but consider you'll be doing this in a year or two in real time, you have a long time to plan and learn the game.

Rio Bravo -> RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) (5/4/2015 11:54:53 AM)
OPERATION TENDERFOOT IS ALL HAT AND NO CATTLE I have reviewed Obvert’s experienced, knowledgeable, reasonable, and considered comments regarding Operation Tenderfoot. His advice is well taken and appreciated. Of a sudden, quite earlier than I had anticipated, my feet have become quite sore! It now seems evident to me that I have severely underestimated the number and capability of ships, aircraft, and troops required to achieve each goal set forth by Operation Tenderfoot by the dates presented therein. If one prong fails, then Operation Tenderfoot’s primary objective to blockade Japan proper by the end of 1943 fails. I am not one to beat a dead horse. Operation Tenderfoot is hereby filed under “South End of a North Bound Jackass.” In other words, “Operation Tenderfoot is Scrapped.” Thank you to Obvert for being courageous enough to enlighten me. My apologies to The War College for wasting your time with Operation Tenderfoot. Upon formation of an entirely new Allied Grand Strategy, I will present the same to the War College. Regards, -Terry

obvert -> RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) (5/4/2015 12:27:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rio Bravo OPERATION TENDERFOOT IS ALL HAT AND NO CATTLE I have reviewed Obvert’s experienced, knowledgeable, reasonable, and considered comments regarding Operation Tenderfoot. His advice is well taken and appreciated. Of a sudden, quite earlier than I had anticipated, my feet have become quite sore! It now seems evident to me that I have severely underestimated the number and capability of ships, aircraft, and troops required to achieve each goal set forth by Operation Tenderfoot by the dates presented therein. If one prong fails, then Operation Tenderfoot’s primary objective to blockade Japan proper by the end of 1943 fails. I am not one to beat a dead horse. Operation Tenderfoot is hereby filed under “South End of a North Bound Jackass.” In other words, “Operation Tenderfoot is Scrapped.” Thank you to Obvert for being courageous enough to enlighten me. My apologies to The War College for wasting your time with Operation Tenderfoot. Upon formation of an entirely new Allied Grand Strategy, I will present the same to the War College. Regards, -Terry As Allies I also got a bit overenthusiastic about my capabilities and learned the hard way that there are good reasons the war took as long as it did. The game has been really well balanced in this respect. The Allies, especially Commonwealth, are slow to build, and very fragile at first. Have a look at your divisional leader options for the Brits and Indians. Abyssmal early. Experience in the 30s for many important units. Brits and Aussies don't get good tanks until mid-late 42 and they're slow to fill out. Brit airframe replacements are a trickle. This part of the game, the upgrades and preparation for battle, has been the most challenging for me. It's good to plan, and the kind of things you've set out to do could be possible, just add about a year to your dates! [:)]

BBfanboy -> RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) (5/4/2015 12:37:28 PM)
It is good to have a rough idea of where you want to have your main approach to Japan, but you must be quite flexible on the particulars because where you will end up attacking depends on where you find weaknesses in his bloated perimeter. Bypassing strongpoints is a necessary strategy to prevent tying up your limited land forces with long and bloody battles. You must neutralize the strong points with air power, bombardments and naval blockade but you do not have to eliminate all the troops entrenched in forts. The best strategies I have seen concentrate on securing logistics bases at several points along the Japanese perimeter and scouting for weak spots - with a few raids to keep him guessing. Once the Allies get the tools - like Essex class CVs, fast battleships, Cleveland CLs, Fletcher DDs, working torpedoes, Hellcats, Avengers, Corsairs, and Thunderbolts - they can start rolling against any weak spots along any vector they choose and move fast enough to prevent the Japanese from reinforcing heavily. Good luck!

Rio Bravo -> RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) (5/5/2015 10:09:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy It is good to have a rough idea of where you want to have your main approach to Japan, but you must be quite flexible on the particulars because where you will end up attacking depends on where you find weaknesses in his bloated perimeter. Bypassing strongpoints is a necessary strategy to prevent tying up your limited land forces with long and bloody battles. You must neutralize the strong points with air power, bombardments and naval blockade but you do not have to eliminate all the troops entrenched in forts. The best strategies I have seen concentrate on securing logistics bases at several points along the Japanese perimeter and scouting for weak spots - with a few raids to keep him guessing. Once the Allies get the tools - like Essex class CVs, fast battleships, Cleveland CLs, Fletcher DDs, working torpedoes, Hellcats, Avengers, Corsairs, and Thunderbolts - they can start rolling against any weak spots along any vector they choose and move fast enough to prevent the Japanese from reinforcing heavily. Good luck! BBfanboy- Based on your and Obvert's comments, my thinking has been based around establishing a rear perimeter, building those bases, and preparing all ships, aircraft, and troops with training, etc. Also, as you suggest, only making dashing raids here and there when I know the KB is elsewhere. In other words, slowly growing stronger and stronger and preparing best I can for battles once strong enough to win. My thoughts are all down on sticky notes now. In the next few days, I hope to organize all my thoughts and put them together in an outline that will set forth Allied strategy for the first six or seven months of the war. Upon completion of this earl strategy, I will present it to The War College for comment and then hopefully we can tighten up that plan. Thank you for your comments and help, BBfanboy. Regards, -Terry

Rio Bravo -> RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) (5/7/2015 8:30:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy Sounds like Boise gave the escorts in that transport group a solid fight. Where are Houston, Marblehead, and the old 4 stacker DDs? Can they take advantage of low ammo stocks on that escort and hit the transport TF again? Can the Dutch CLs and DDs? Nothing blows the IJ timetable like losing an entire TF of troops! I like your idea of sending the Australian armoured units to India. It leaves Oz naked but India is more important, and offers the chance of land advances toward Burma/China later on, but before the Allies have command of the sea. Good luck with the next few turns! BBfanboy- On December 8, 1941: The POW, Repulse, Danae and two DDs are four hexes East of Djambi. The Marblehead and five DDs are Southeast of Tarakan. The Houston is one hex East of Dinagal. I think the Empire fleet that sunk the Boisie are broken up into two fleets (perhaps due to seven of that original fleet taking hits) and both fleets are one hex South of the Houston. The only IJA carriers I see are two carriers three hexes East of Manila. Regards, -Terry

Rio Bravo -> RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) (5/7/2015 8:38:59 PM)
THE WAR COLLEGE MEMBERS December 8, 1941 I don't anticipate posting combat reports as the norm in this AAR. However, seems to me the December 7, 1941 Combat Report indicates the Allied losses were not too bad. Here is the December 7th Combat Report: AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 07, 41 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Midget Sub attack inside harbor of Pearl Harbor!!! Japanese Ships SSX Ha-22, hits 2 Allied Ships BB Tennessee PC Reliance PC Taney PC Reliance cannot reach attack position over SSX Ha-22 PC Taney cannot reach attack position over SSX Ha-22 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Midget Sub attack inside harbor of Pearl Harbor!!! Japanese Ships SSX Ha-14 Allied Ships AVD Hulbert BB Tennessee SSX Ha-14 eludes ASW attack from AVD Hulbert AVD Hulbert cannot establish contact with SSX Ha-14 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Submarine attack near Pearl Harbor at 180,106 Japanese Ships SS I-17 Allied Ships AS Pelias AS Pelias is sighted by SS I-17 SS I-17 launches 2 torpedoes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Submarine attack near Pearl Harbor at 179,108 Japanese Ships SS I-22 Allied Ships xAK Florence D., Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage xAK Florence D. is sighted by SS I-22 SS I-22 attacking on the surface -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Submarine attack near Pearl Harbor at 178,109 Japanese Ships SS I-24 Allied Ships xAK Laida, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage xAK Laida is sighted by SS I-24 SS I-24 launches 2 torpedoes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Kwangchowan at 74,63, Range 22,000 Yards Japanese Ships CA Chokai, Shell hits 1 DD Fubuki DD Usugumo DD Shirayuki, Shell hits 1 DD Hatsuyuki, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Sagiri Allied Ships DD Scout, Shell hits 9, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Thanet, Shell hits 22, and is sunk DD Thracian, Shell hits 19, and is sunk Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions: 30,000 yards CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 22,000 yards CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 22,000 yards DD Thracian engages DD Sagiri at 22,000 yards DD Sagiri engages DD Thracian at 22,000 yards DD Shirayuki engages DD Thanet at 22,000 yards Range closes to 15,000 yards DD Hatsuyuki engages DD Thracian at 15,000 yards DD Sagiri engages DD Thanet at 15,000 yards DD Hatsuyuki engages DD Thanet at 15,000 yards DD Shirayuki engages DD Thanet at 15,000 yards DD Thanet engages DD Usugumo at 15,000 yards DD Fubuki engages DD Thanet at 15,000 yards Powers, A.L. orders Allied TF to disengage Range closes to 13,000 yards DD Shirayuki engages DD Thracian at 13,000 yards DD Sagiri engages DD Thanet at 13,000 yards DD Usugumo engages DD Thanet at 13,000 yards DD Fubuki engages DD Thanet at 13,000 yards Range increases to 15,000 yards CA Chokai engages DD Thracian at 15,000 yards DD Sagiri engages DD Thracian at 15,000 yards DD Hatsuyuki engages DD Thracian at 15,000 yards DD Usugumo engages DD Thracian at 15,000 yards Range increases to 16,000 yards DD Thracian engages DD Hatsuyuki at 16,000 yards DD Thracian engages DD Sagiri at 16,000 yards DD Shirayuki engages DD Thanet at 16,000 yards DD Usugumo engages DD Thracian at 16,000 yards DD Thracian engages DD Fubuki at 16,000 yards DD Sagiri engages DD Thracian at 16,000 yards DD Thanet engages DD Hatsuyuki at 16,000 yards DD Shirayuki engages DD Thracian at 16,000 yards DD Usugumo engages DD Thracian at 16,000 yards DD Fubuki engages DD Thracian at 16,000 yards Range increases to 18,000 yards DD Hatsuyuki engages DD Thracian at 18,000 yards DD Shirayuki engages DD Thanet at 18,000 yards DD Usugumo engages DD Thanet at 18,000 yards DD Fubuki engages DD Thracian at 18,000 yards Range closes to 16,000 yards DD Hatsuyuki engages DD Thracian at 16,000 yards DD Sagiri engages DD Thanet at 16,000 yards DD Usugumo engages DD Thracian at 16,000 yards DD Thracian engages DD Fubuki at 16,000 yards Range closes to 14,000 yards DD Fubuki engages DD Thracian at 14,000 yards DD Thracian engages DD Sagiri at 14,000 yards DD Thanet engages DD Hatsuyuki at 14,000 yards DD Usugumo engages DD Thracian at 14,000 yards DD Fubuki engages DD Thracian at 14,000 yards Range closes to 10,000 yards DD Fubuki engages DD Thracian at 10,000 yards DD Hatsuyuki engages DD Scout at 10,000 yards DD Thanet engages DD Shirayuki at 10,000 yards DD Scout engages DD Usugumo at 10,000 yards DD Fubuki engages DD Scout at 10,000 yards Range closes to 7,000 yards DD Thracian sunk by CA Chokai at 7,000 yards DD Sagiri engages DD Thanet at 7,000 yards DD Sagiri engages DD Scout at 7,000 yards DD Fubuki engages DD Scout at 7,000 yards Range closes to 6,000 yards CA Chokai engages DD Thanet at 6,000 yards DD Scout engages DD Sagiri at 6,000 yards DD Hatsuyuki engages DD Scout at 6,000 yards DD Shirayuki engages DD Scout at 6,000 yards DD Fubuki engages DD Scout at 6,000 yards Range increases to 8,000 yards DD Thanet engages DD Fubuki at 8,000 yards DD Scout engages DD Shirayuki at 8,000 yards DD Usugumo engages DD Scout at 8,000 yards DD Fubuki engages DD Scout at 8,000 yards Powers, A.L. orders Allied TF to disengage Range increases to 12,000 yards CA Chokai engages DD Thanet at 12,000 yards DD Sagiri engages DD Thanet at 12,000 yards DD Hatsuyuki engages DD Thanet at 12,000 yards DD Thanet engages DD Shirayuki at 12,000 yards DD Scout engages DD Usugumo at 12,000 yards Range increases to 16,000 yards CA Chokai engages DD Thanet at 16,000 yards DD Thanet engages DD Sagiri at 16,000 yards DD Shirayuki engages DD Thanet at 16,000 yards Range increases to 17,000 yards DD Thanet engages DD Hatsuyuki at 17,000 yards DD Sagiri engages DD Thanet at 17,000 yards DD Hatsuyuki engages DD Scout at 17,000 yards DD Shirayuki engages DD Thanet at 17,000 yards DD Fubuki engages DD Scout at 17,000 yards CA Chokai engages DD Thanet at 17,000 yards DD Usugumo engages DD Scout at 17,000 yards DD Hatsuyuki engages DD Thanet at 17,000 yards DD Shirayuki engages DD Thanet at 17,000 yards Range closes to 16,000 yards CA Chokai engages DD Thanet at 16,000 yards DD Hatsuyuki engages DD Thanet at 16,000 yards DD Shirayuki engages DD Scout at 16,000 yards Range closes to 14,000 yards DD Scout engages DD Sagiri at 14,000 yards DD Scout engages DD Hatsuyuki at 14,000 yards DD Usugumo engages DD Thanet at 14,000 yards Range closes to 12,000 yards CA Chokai engages DD Thanet at 12,000 yards DD Sagiri engages DD Thanet at 12,000 yards DD Shirayuki engages DD Thanet at 12,000 yards DD Usugumo engages DD Scout at 12,000 yards Range increases to 15,000 yards DD Thanet sunk by DD Sagiri at 15,000 yards DD Fubuki engages DD Scout at 15,000 yards DD Fubuki engages DD Scout at 15,000 yards Range increases to 19,000 yards CA Chokai engages DD Scout at 19,000 yards DD Hatsuyuki engages DD Scout at 19,000 yards Range increases to 25,000 yards CA Chokai engages DD Scout at 25,000 yards Range increases to 29,000 yards CA Chokai engages DD Scout at 29,000 yards Task forces break off... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Siargao at 83,88, Range 20,000 Yards Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses SOC-1 Seagull: 3 destroyed Japanese Ships CS Mizuho CS Chitose, Shell hits 1 CL Nagara, Shell hits 12, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Yukikaze, Shell hits 2 DD Tokitsukaze, Shell hits 1 DD Yamakaze DD Kawakaze DD Umikaze DD Suzukaze xAK Myoko Maru xAK Shinanogawa Maru xAK Shinryu Maru xAK Kanko Maru xAK Yasukawa Maru, Shell hits 1, heavy fires xAK Hasuna Maru xAK Meigen Maru xAK Yamafuku Maru xAKL Kakyu Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire xAP Haruna Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire Allied Ships CL Boise, Shell hits 12, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk Japanese ground losses: 552 casualties reported Squads: 5 destroyed, 19 disabled Non Combat: 17 destroyed, 33 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 9 (3 destroyed, 6 disabled) Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 20,000 yards CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 20,000 yards CL Nagara engages CL Boise at 20,000 yards Range closes to 16,000 yards CL Boise engages CL Nagara at 16,000 yards DD Kawakaze engages CL Boise at 16,000 yards Range closes to 15,000 yards CL Nagara engages CL Boise at 15,000 yards CL Boise engages DD Yamakaze at 15,000 yards CL Boise engages DD Tokitsukaze at 15,000 yards Range closes to 11,000 yards CL Nagara engages CL Boise at 11,000 yards Range closes to 9,000 yards CL Nagara engages CL Boise at 9,000 yards CL Boise engages DD Kawakaze at 9,000 yards CL Boise engages xAP Haruna Maru at 9,000 yards Range increases to 10,000 yards CL Boise engages CL Nagara at 10,000 yards CL Boise engages DD Tokitsukaze at 10,000 yards Range closes to 8,000 yards CL Nagara engages CL Boise at 8,000 yards CL Boise engages CS Chitose at 8,000 yards CL Boise engages xAK Yasukawa Maru at 8,000 yards CL Boise engages CL Nagara at 8,000 yards Range closes to 7,000 yards CL Boise engages CL Nagara at 7,000 yards Range increases to 8,000 yards CL Nagara engages CL Boise at 8,000 yards CS Chitose screened from combat CL Nagara engages CL Boise at 8,000 yards CL Boise engages DD Umikaze at 8,000 yards CS Chitose , CS Mizuho , xAP Haruna Maru , xAK Yamafuku Maru , xAK Meigen Maru screened from combat - escorted by DD Suzukaze , DD Tokitsukaze CL Nagara engages CL Boise at 8,000 yards CL Boise engages DD Kawakaze at 8,000 yards CL Boise engages xAK Yasukawa Maru at 8,000 yards Range increases to 9,000 yards CS Chitose , CS Mizuho , xAP Haruna Maru screened from combat - escorted by DD Umikaze CL Nagara engages CL Boise at 9,000 yards CL Boise engages DD Yukikaze at 9,000 yards Range increases to 11,000 yards CS Chitose screened from combat CL Boise engages CL Nagara at 11,000 yards Range closes to 7,000 yards CS Chitose , CS Mizuho , xAP Haruna Maru , xAK Yamafuku Maru , xAK Meigen Maru screened from combat CL Boise engages CL Nagara at 7,000 yards Range increases to 8,000 yards CS Chitose , CS Mizuho , xAP Haruna Maru , xAK Yamafuku Maru , xAK Meigen Maru screened from combat - escorted by DD Suzukaze , DD Umikaze CL Nagara engages CL Boise at 8,000 yards CL Boise engages DD Kawakaze at 8,000 yards CL Boise engages DD Yukikaze at 8,000 yards CS Chitose , CS Mizuho , xAP Haruna Maru , xAK Yamafuku Maru , xAK Meigen Maru , xAK Hasuna Maru , xAK Yasukawa Maru , xAK Kanko Maru , xAK Shinryu Maru , xAK Shinanogawa Maru screened from combat - escorted by DD Suzukaze , DD Umikaze , DD Kawakaze , DD Yukikaze CL Boise engages CL Nagara at 8,000 yards CL Boise engages DD Yamakaze at 8,000 yards CL Boise engages xAKL Kakyu Maru at 8,000 yards CS Chitose , CS Mizuho , xAP Haruna Maru , xAK Yamafuku Maru , xAK Meigen Maru , xAK Hasuna Maru , xAK Yasukawa Maru , xAK Kanko Maru screened from combat - escorted by DD Suzukaze , DD Kawakaze , DD Yamakaze CL Boise engages DD Yukikaze at 8,000 yards Range closes to 7,000 yards CS Chitose , CS Mizuho screened from combat - escorted by DD Tokitsukaze CL Nagara engages CL Boise at 7,000 yards Range closes to 5,000 yards CS Chitose , CS Mizuho , xAP Haruna Maru , xAK Yamafuku Maru , xAK Meigen Maru screened from combat - escorted by DD Umikaze , DD Tokitsukaze CL Nagara engages CL Boise at 5,000 yards Range closes to 3,000 yards CL Nagara engages CL Boise at 3,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards CS Chitose , CS Mizuho , xAP Haruna Maru , xAK Yamafuku Maru screened from combat - escorted by DD Suzukaze , DD Kawakaze CL Boise sunk by DD Umikaze at 2,000 yards Combat ends with last Allied ship sunk... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Surigao at 81,88, Range 20,000 Yards Japanese Ships CS Mizuho CS Chitose DD Yukikaze DD Tokitsukaze DD Yamakaze DD Kawakaze DD Umikaze xAK Myoko Maru xAK Shinanogawa Maru xAK Shinryu Maru xAK Kanko Maru xAK Hasuna Maru xAK Meigen Maru xAK Yamafuku Maru xAP Haruna Maru, on fire Allied Ships xAKL Luzon xAKL Magallanes Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 20,000 yards Japanese TF attempts to evade combat Range increases to 20,000 yards... Both Task Forces evade combat -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Jolo at 73,87, Range 26,000 Yards Japanese Ships CVL Ryujo CA Myoko CA Haguro CA Nachi Allied Ships AVP Heron Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions: 30,000 yards CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 20,000 yards CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 20,000 yards Both TF attempt to withdraw! Range increases to 26,000 yards... Both Task Forces evade combat -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Iba at 78,74 Japanese Ships DD Kagero BB Kirishima DD Urakaze DD Shiranui Allied Ships SS Salmon SS Salmon launches 2 torpedoes at DD Kagero DD Urakaze attacking submerged sub .... DD Shiranui fails to find sub and abandons search DD Urakaze fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Urakaze fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Urakaze fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Urakaze fails to find sub, continues to search... Escort abandons search for sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Kota Bharu , at 51,75 Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 5 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 18 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 18 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 11000 feet * -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Kota Bharu , at 51,75 Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 9 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-27b Nate x 34 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 34 x Ki-27b Nate sweeping at 15000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Lingga at 51,87 Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Japanese aircraft G4M1 Betty x 6 Japanese aircraft losses G4M1 Betty: 2 damaged Allied Ships AMC Kanimbla, Torpedo hits 1 DD Jupiter Aircraft Attacking: 6 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid detected at 118 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 41 minutes Japanese aircraft G3M2 Nell x 9 G4M1 Betty x 33 Allied aircraft P-26A x 4 No Japanese losses No Allied losses Port hits 2 Port fuel hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 21 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 10000 feet Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb 9 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 10000 feet Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb 6 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 10000 feet Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb 3 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 10000 feet Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb 3 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 10000 feet Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb CAP engaged: 6th PS PAAC with P-26A (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) (4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid detected at 106 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 37 minutes Japanese aircraft G3M2 Nell x 20 G4M1 Betty x 17 Allied aircraft P-26A x 4 Japanese aircraft losses G3M2 Nell: 4 damaged No Allied losses Allied ground losses: 5 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 11 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 10000 feet Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb 6 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 10000 feet Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb 17 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 10000 feet Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb 3 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 10000 feet Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb CAP engaged: 6th PS PAAC with P-26A (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Japanese aircraft G4M1 Betty x 11 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 11 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 10000 feet Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid detected at 97 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 32 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 36 B5N2 Kate x 54 D3A1 Val x 45 Allied aircraft no flights No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses P-40E Warhawk: 3 destroyed Allied ground losses: 18 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Port hits 5 Port supply hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 9 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 10000 feet City Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb 4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 14 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 10000 feet City Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb 17 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 10000 feet Port Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb 13 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 27 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 10000 feet Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb 9 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 10000 feet Port Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb 13 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 10000 feet Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb 4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 6 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000' Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 10 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000' Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb CAP engaged: 35th PG/21st PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 7 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 5 minutes Training flight from 35th PG/21st PS has been caught up in attack -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 24 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 7 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 13 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 2 damaged A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed by flak Aircraft Attacking: 10 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 15000 feet Port Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Johore Bahru , at 50,83 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 7 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 26 D3A1 Val x 15 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed by flak D3A1 Val: 5 damaged D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed by flak Port hits 3 Port supply hits 2 Aircraft Attacking: 12 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 15000 feet Port Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb 7 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Kota Bharu , at 51,75 Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 3 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-27b Nate x 41 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-27b Nate: 14 damaged Ki-27b Nate: 1 destroyed by flak Port hits 12 Port supply hits 3 Aircraft Attacking: 40 x Ki-27b Nate bombing from 100 feet Port Attack: 2 x 50 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid detected at 23 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-21-IIa Sally x 10 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 10 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet * Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 98th Chinese Corps, at 88,43 , near Kaifeng Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 4 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-30 Ann x 9 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 9 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 15000 feet * Ground Attack: 1 x 100 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Hong Kong Fortress, at 77,61 (Hong Kong) Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 5 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-27b Nate x 7 Ki-51 Sonia x 13 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-51 Sonia: 1 damaged Aircraft Attacking: 13 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 15000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Hong Kong Fortress, at 77,61 (Hong Kong) Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 7 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-36 Ida x 21 Ki-44 Tojo x 6 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 21 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 15000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 30 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 16th Construction Regiment, at 88,56 (Chuhsien) Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid spotted at 6 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 1 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-27b Nate x 7 Ki-51 Sonia x 9 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 9 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 15000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on Kota Bharu , at 51,75 Weather in hex: Heavy rain Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 10 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-21-IIa Sally x 22 No Japanese losses Airbase hits 2 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 3 Aircraft Attacking: 22 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 15000 feet * Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on Hong Kong , at 77,61 Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 3 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-44 Tojo x 6 Ki-48-Ib Lily x 6 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 2 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 15000 feet City Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb 4 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 15000 feet Port Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Guam at 107,98 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 6 G4M1 Betty x 7 No Japanese losses Allied Ships AM Penguin Aircraft Attacking: 7 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 10000 feet Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Lingga at 51,87 Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 13 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 26 B5N2 Kate x 18 D3A1 Val x 52 Japanese aircraft losses D3A1 Val: 4 damaged Allied Ships xAK Tai Sang, Bomb hits 2, on fire xAK Zannis Cambanis, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk xAKL Tatung, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage xAP Hong Kheng, Bomb hits 6, and is sunk xAK Wulin, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk xAK Neleus, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk xAK Silverbeech, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk xAKL Bust, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk xAK Demodocus, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage xAKL Lyemun, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage xAKL Marudu Aircraft Attacking: 11 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb 18 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo 3 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb 5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb 4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb 8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb 5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb 4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb 12 x D3A1 Val releasing from 10000' Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAK Tai Sang Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAKL Tatung Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAK Wulin Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAP Hong Kheng Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAKL Lyemun Massive explosion on xAK Silverbeech -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Singkawang at 55,88 Weather in hex: Light rain Raid spotted at 3 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 0 minutes Japanese aircraft D3A1 Val x 22 No Japanese losses Allied Ships AVP Poolster, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk Aircraft Attacking: 4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb 18 x D3A1 Val releasing from 10000' Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Kota Bharu at 51,75 Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses Hudson I: 2 damaged Japanese Ships CA Kumano CA Suzuya CA Mikuma CA Mogami DD Hagikaze DD Arashi DD Nowaki DD Maikaze Allied ground losses: 84 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Airbase hits 27 Airbase supply hits 19 Runway hits 99 Port hits 35 Port supply hits 9 CA Kumano firing at Kota Bharu CA Suzuya firing at Kota Bharu CA Mikuma firing at Kota Bharu CA Mogami firing at Kota Bharu DD Hagikaze firing at Kota Bharu DD Arashi firing at 8th Indian Brigade DD Nowaki firing at 8th Indian Brigade DD Maikaze firing at Kota Bharu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pre-Invasion action off San Fernando (80,74) 48 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships DD Ikazuchi DD Murasame xAK Yasuteru Maru DD Inazuma DD Ikazuchi firing at 11th PA Infantry Division DD Murasame firing at 11th PA Infantry Division DD Ikazuchi fired at enemy troops Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 4,000 yards Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amphibious Assault at San Fernando (80,74) TF 8 troops unloading over beach at San Fernando, 80,74 Japanese ground losses: 80 casualties reported Squads: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled 19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 1st Formosa Inf. Rgt 19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 1st Formosa Inf. Rgt /2 19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 1st Formosa Inf. Rgt /3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pre-Invasion action off Cagayan (79,89) Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force 8 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships DD Umikaze DD Kawakaze xAP Haruna Maru, heavy fires DD Tokitsukaze CS Chitose DD Umikaze firing at Cagayan USAAF Base Force DD Kawakaze firing at Cagayan USAAF Base Force DD Umikaze fired at enemy troops Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 5,000 yards Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amphibious Assault at Cagayan (79,89) TF 13 troops unloading over beach at Cagayan, 79,89 Japanese ground losses: 53 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled) 19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost in surf during unload of Kimura Det 19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost in surf during unload of Kimura Det 70mm T92 Howitzer lost overboard during unload of Kimura Det 10cm T91 Howitzer lost overboard during unload of Kimura Det 10 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of Kimura Det 8 Engineers lost overboard during unload of 1st Naval Const Bn 10 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of Kimura Det /4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pre-Invasion action off Kota Bharu (51,75) Japanese Ships CL Sendai DD Uranami DD Isonami PB Tatsumiya Maru Allied ground losses: 56 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled CL Sendai firing at 8th Indian Brigade DD Uranami firing at 8th Indian Brigade DD Isonami firing at 8th Indian Brigade PB Tatsumiya Maru fired at enemy troops DD Uranami fired at enemy troops DD Isonami fired at enemy troops -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amphibious Assault at Kota Bharu (51,75) TF 85 troops unloading over beach at Kota Bharu, 51,75 Japanese ground losses: 161 casualties reported Squads: 7 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled) 18 troops of a IJA Engineer Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 12th Engr Rgt 19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 114th Infantry Rgt 19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost in surf during unload of 114th Infantry Rgt 70mm T92 Howitzer damaged beyond repair during unload of 114th Infantry Rgt 20 troops of a IJA HMG Squad accidentally lost during unload of 114th Infantry Rgt /2 19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 114th Infantry Rgt /2 19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 114th Infantry Rgt /2 10 Support troops lost in surf during unload of 114th Infantry Rgt /2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pre-Invasion action off San Fernando (80,74) 52 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships APD Nadakaze APD Shimakaze Japanese ground losses: 11 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled APD Nadakaze fired at enemy troops APD Shimakaze fired at enemy troops Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 4,000 yards Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amphibious Assault at San Fernando (80,74) TF 90 troops unloading over beach at San Fernando, 80,74 Japanese ground losses: 24 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Vehicles lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled) Motorized Support lost overboard during unload of 5th Air Div Motorized Support damaged beyond repair during unload of 5th Air Div Motorized Support damaged beyond repair during unload of 5th Air Div Motorized Support accidentally lost during unload of 5th Air Div 17 troops of a SNLF Squad lost from landing craft during unload of Sasebo 1st SNLF /1 10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of Sasebo 1st SNLF -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pre-Invasion action off San Fernando (80,74) 50 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships PB Shonan Maru #17 PB Shonan Maru #2 PB Shonan Maru #1 PB Kyo Maru #11 PB Kyo Maru #2 xAP Kokuryu Maru Japanese ground losses: 31 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled PB Shonan Maru #17 fired at enemy troops PB Shonan Maru #2 fired at enemy troops PB Shonan Maru #1 fired at enemy troops PB Kyo Maru #11 fired at enemy troops PB Kyo Maru #2 fired at enemy troops Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 6,000 yards Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amphibious Assault at San Fernando (80,74) TF 96 troops unloading over beach at San Fernando, 80,74 Japanese ground losses: Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled) 8 Naval Support troops lost overboard during unload of 2nd Base Force 13.2mm T93 AAMG lost from landing craft during unload of 2nd Base Force /2 10 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 2nd Base Force /2 10 Support troops lost in surf during unload of 2nd Base Force /2 8 Naval Support troops lost overboard during unload of 2nd Base Force /2 8 Naval Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 2nd Base Force /3 8 Naval Support troops lost in surf during unload of 2nd Base Force /3 10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 2nd Base Force /3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pre-Invasion action off Kota Bharu (51,75) Japanese Ships xAK Gosei Maru xAK Meiten Maru xAK Nojima Maru xAK Gosei Maru firing at 8th Indian Brigade xAK Gosei Maru fired at enemy troops xAK Meiten Maru fired at enemy troops xAK Nojima Maru fired at enemy troops xAK Gosei Maru fired at enemy troops -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amphibious Assault at Kota Bharu (51,75) TF 98 troops unloading over beach at Kota Bharu, 51,75 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Pengpu (90,50) Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 5442 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 182 Defending force 1379 troops, 18 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 45 Japanese ground losses: 12 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Assaulting units: 13th Ind.Mixed Brigade Defending units: 89th Chinese Corps -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Vigan (80,73) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 253 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 20 Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0 Japanese adjusted assault: 18 Allied adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 18 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Vigan !!! Combat modifiers Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+), leaders(-) Assaulting units: Yokosuka 1st SNLF /1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Laoag (81,72) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 81 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7 Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0 Japanese adjusted assault: 8 Allied adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 8 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Laoag !!! Combat modifiers Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-) Assaulting units: Yokosuka 3rd SNLF /1 The Allied Intelligence Report indicates sixteen Allied ships were sunk on December 7th. I am very pleased to find out that the POW and Repulse are so far undamaged! I fear December 7, 1941 is simply the calm before the IJA hurricane. Regards, -Terry

BBfanboy -> RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) (5/7/2015 10:24:45 PM)
No attack on PH or Manila?? I wonder where KB is headed ...

Rio Bravo -> RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) (5/7/2015 10:48:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy No attack on PH or Manila?? I wonder where KB is headed ... I just noticed that 3 IJA CVs and one IJA CVL with other warships are four hexes East of Mersing.

Rio Bravo -> RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) (5/7/2015 10:52:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy No attack on PH or Manila?? I wonder where KB is headed ... Correct, no attack yet at Manila or Pearl. Just noticed this too. Two IJA CVs are 3 hexes East of Manila. So, six IJA carriers accounted for (five CVs and one CVL).

BBfanboy -> RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) (5/7/2015 11:15:03 PM)
The poor level of Nav Search skill in most squadrons at game start makes accurate ID of specific ship types rather iffy. A high DL like 9/10 probably can be trusted but something like 3/6 would make me think that some kind of CV type was seen, but not necessarily the CV or CVL reported. The Japanese CVLs and CVEs are usually assigned to interdict ships fleeing the Philippines/Malaya/ Hong Kong, sometimes with the addition of the slow Kaga (25knots). KB gets the first-turn mega-move where it can go from the middle of the Kuriles to PH in one turn and still launch strikes. Most players would want to make use of this capability to strike a distant target rather than in the South China Sea. The US West Coast or Palembang/Soerabaja could also be on the surprise list. Mersing just doesn't seem like a big surprise any more.

Rio Bravo -> RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) (5/7/2015 11:19:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy The poor level of Nav Search skill in most squadrons at game start makes accurate ID of specific ship types rather iffy. A high DL like 9/10 probably can be trusted but something like 3/6 would make me think that some kind of CV type was seen, but not necessarily the CV or CVL reported. The Japanese CVLs and CVEs are usually assigned to interdict ships fleeing the Philippines/Malaya/ Hong Kong, sometimes with the addition of the slow Kaga (25knots). KB gets the first-turn mega-move where it can go from the middle of the Kuriles to PH in one turn and still launch strikes. Most players would want to make use of this capability to strike a distant target rather than in the South China Sea. The US West Coast or Palembang/Soerabaja could also be on the surprise list. Mersing just doesn't seem like a big surprise any more. I agree. Perhaps a couple more days will reveal what El Lobo has planned for the KB. I have heard that Intel Reports and Combat Reports can be somewhat deceiving.

Rio Bravo -> RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) (5/11/2015 1:36:04 AM)
OPERATION FOUNDATION (December 7, 1941 through June 6, 1942) Opening Note Pursuant to sound advice presented to me by Obvert, BBfanboy, and others, I have decided to engage a conservative approach during the first six months of the war against that Evil Empire. Accordingly, Operation Foundation will primarily concentrate on the following: Logistics Training & Preparation Building a rear perimeter of bases Logistics The primary supply routes will be as follows: Seattle & Vancouver: Bases North of Seattle San Francisco & Los Angeles: Hawaii, Tahiti, Sydney, Melbourne, & Adelaide Cape Town: Perth & India Abadan: India Training & Preparation Training and preparation will primarily consist of the following: Pilot training will be a top priority Ground Units will prepare for objectives Ground Units will attempt to fill out and upgrade TOE Replacement of some ship and troop leaders Notes About Training and Preparation 1.) I highly suspect that I will need substantial help from The War College with “Training” and “TOE” matters, and perhaps with replacing leaders. 2.) Besides the Rear Perimeter Bases listed herein, other bases will expand too, including but limited too, already established bases in Canada, United States, New Caledonia, Fiji, New Zealand, Australia and India. 3.) The Allies will remain flexible, as the Evil Empire may conquer some of the Rear Perimeter Bases set forth. The Allies my not be in a position to re-take islands during the time frame set forth for Operation Foundation. Rear Perimeter of Bases The following bases will be built up (ports, airfields, and forts) and garrisoned to establish a rear perimeter: Alaska: Kodiak, Seward & Anchorage Canada: Prince Rupert Pacific Islands: Johnston, Palmyra, Christmas, Penrhyn, Rangiroa, Moorea, Tahiti, Rarotonga & Tubuai Australia: Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne & Sydney Indian Ocean: Diego Garcia & Addu India (Coast): Karachi, Sural, & Bombay India (Interior): Hyderabad(Sindh), Indore, Jalgaon, Bhopal, Cawnpore & Lucknow Notes About Garrisons 1.) The tentative garrison for each Pacific Island base will consist of an Engineer (Base Force), Seabee, Coast AA, USMC Defense Battalion, FA Battalion, and USMC Battalion, PBY Catalina Squadron, and four submarines. Tahiti will be garrisoned with additional ground units. 2.) The garrison forces for the balance of the Rear Perimeter Bases listed will be stronger that the Pacific Island bases. 3.) India is tentatively scheduled to receive I Australia Corps and a minimum of five U.S. Army Infantry Divisions supplemented with tank and FA battalions, and more. End Note I invite all War College members to provide their comments, criticisms, and suggestions. Nothing is engraved in gold, including but limited too, garrison forces. Accordingly, Operation Foundation may be tweaked as reasonable and appropriate based on input from War College members. Lastly, shortly after June 6, 1942, it is anticipated that the Allied perimeter will tighten it’s noose on the Evil Empire. For example, the Allies will attempt to secure a base on Baker Island, The Cook Islands, The Phoenix Islands, Ellice Islands, Samoan Islands, and Tonga Islands. Regards, -Terry

BattleMoose -> RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) (5/11/2015 1:40:51 AM)
In my last game I found New Caledonia to not be tenable. I was able to put an obscene amount of AV on Fiji so that was never under threat. (And there wasn't any indication of pushes onto India or Aus.) With hindsight, I should have developed one of the dot bases next to Noumea, Isle of Pines, being a dot base, with a CD unit and some AV and mines, could be made too unpleasant to seize and a fantastic air base for when you are ready to recapture New Caledonia, should you lose it.

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