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Peltonx -> Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman Resigned GHC Victory T-15 (5/8/2015 3:51:30 PM)

Turn 2 GHC Armaments: 90,000 Manpower: 31,000

HQBUs used:
Armament Pts Destroyed =4
Heavy Industry Destroyed = 4
Manpower Pts over run during 1942 =
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions:
Brigades:
SU:
AP total:
Russian OOB: 3,530,000

AGN, OMG stacks and stacks of Russian!!! I cross the river, but Pitman is all in and there is nothing behind the front lines.


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Peltonx -> RE: Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman T-2 (5/8/2015 3:52:29 PM)

AGC its early so I am going for the industry crunch so I take some chances early.

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Peltonx -> RE: Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman T-2 (5/8/2015 3:53:51 PM)

AGS has a nice advance going and a small pocket is formed near Romanian.

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richter53 -> RE: Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman T-2 (5/8/2015 4:12:43 PM)

The interface for your game looks different from mine.



Peltonx -> RE: Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman T-2 (5/8/2015 4:15:35 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: richter53

The interface for your game looks different from mine.


Its in this thread

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3327255



Peltonx -> RE: Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman T-2 (5/12/2015 6:29:35 PM)

Turn 3 GHC Armaments: 90,000 Manpower: 28,000

HQBUs used:
Armament Pts Destroyed = 10
Heavy Industry Destroyed = 10
Manpower Pts over run during 1942 =
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions:
Brigades:
SU:
AP total:
Russian OOB: 3,670,000

AGN gets pushed back across the river and faces a 20+ CV wall, but 4th PG manages to push just to south of the wall.
Pitman is all in fighting forward the same crazy style as TDV, this could be a very interesting game.


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Peltonx -> RE: Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman T-2 (5/12/2015 6:32:10 PM)

AGC panzer get cut off, this is going to be bad for a few turns.

Again Pitman is very aggressive, using allot of cav units to push between my divisions. I am guessing like TDV he is spending his APs on cav divisions

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Peltonx -> RE: Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman T-3 (5/12/2015 6:35:12 PM)

AGS finishes of the small pocket formed turn 2 and forms 2 more pockets, both with 10-12 units.

Fighting forward in the south so early is generally not a good idea.

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M60A3TTS -> RE: Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman T-3 (5/12/2015 6:56:23 PM)

Cavalry divs are 20AP a pop early on. But in 1941 the Soviets can conserve APs if they don't go crazy on other stuff.



chaos45 -> RE: Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman T-3 (5/12/2015 7:10:15 PM)

Been playing around with first couple turns for the Soviets myself, I dont think he has built and sent a cavalry division into the front.

Maybe he pulled one from somewhere but highly doubt its a newly created one. Can think of a ton of better things for the Soviets to spend APs on early.

Support units for one.....and second is re-organizing you army after the messy state that the initial attack leaves you. I have found that no matter what year I start the game in re-oganizing the Army of either side take almost a full year of Admin points especially when emergency relocations/admin costs of moving divisions between commands is accounted for. Then you have to completely re-arrange support units in many instances.

Not to mention the amount of dud generals that need replaced on both sides. Was amazed at the amount of skill 4-5 German generals in the infantry corps in 41, and its telling I figured it out because I was getting annoyed at failure in some sectors then looked at the commanders and was like ohh thats why.



Peltonx -> RE: Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman T-3 (5/12/2015 9:04:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

Cavalry divs are 20AP a pop early on. But in 1941 the Soviets can conserve APs if they don't go crazy on other stuff.


You never played TDV, best games I have played two date by a long shot.

He is completely out side the box as am I.

Might try and see if he is interested in a 3rd game



Blubel -> RE: Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman T-3 (5/13/2015 6:20:39 AM)

They can't be new ones, as new ones are frozen for a few (2 or 4?) turns and you are just at turn 3.



M60A3TTS -> RE: Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman T-3 (5/13/2015 12:02:42 PM)

Cav divs are actually 40AP in the beginning, so these have to be regular ones



Pitaman -> RE: Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman T-3 (5/13/2015 9:00:26 PM)

I should not have tried to defend in the south as hard as I did. Pelton sent two panzer divisions to Rumania and that caught me off guard. I will know better next game.

Pitaman.



821Bobo -> RE: Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman T-3 (5/14/2015 7:17:50 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

Cav divs are actually 40AP in the beginning, so these have to be regular ones


True. I fool did build 3 in October for 40AP and from November they cost 20AP [:@]



Peltonx -> RE: Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman T-3 (5/15/2015 8:49:53 AM)

Turn 4 GHC Armaments: 90,000 Manpower: 28,000

HQBUs used:
Armament Pts Destroyed = 10
Heavy Industry Destroyed = 10
Manpower Pts over run during 1942 =
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions:
Brigades:
SU:
AP total:
Russian OOB: 3,389,000
AGN forms a pocket near Pskov. Pitman is all forward with next to nothing behind the front lines.


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Peltonx -> RE: Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman T-3 (5/15/2015 8:50:40 AM)

AGC is bogged down for now.

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Peltonx -> RE: Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman T-3 (5/15/2015 8:51:20 AM)

AGS forms another pocket of 13 divisions and panzer cross the river. Pitman is doing a good job of moving industry, but taking huge losses early.

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Peltonx -> RE: Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman T-3 (5/15/2015 8:53:07 AM)

Turn 5 GHC Armaments: 85,000 Manpower: 26,000

HQBUs used: 1
Armament Pts Destroyed = 20
Heavy Industry Destroyed = 12
Manpower Pts over run during 1942 =
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions:
Brigades:
SU:
AP total:
Stavka OOB: 3,999,000
AGN has the pocket broken, so it’s resealed and a few infantry divisions get a breakthrough just below the heavy fighting. Pitman is getting very high CV despite heavy losses, I am impressed. But his all forward fighting is costing him and at some point his army will simply fall apart. I am not going to get an industry KO, but I take the next best thing destruction of the Red Army.


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Peltonx -> RE: Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman T-3 (5/15/2015 8:53:47 AM)

AGC finally disengages its panzers and infantry finally get to the front. I be looking to pocket whatever I can or do a left hook around the land bridge.

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Peltonx -> RE: Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman T-3 (5/15/2015 8:54:21 AM)

AGS destroys last turns pocket, forms another 2 division pocket and destroys 10 AP and 2 HVY. CVs have dropped off allot and the number of units is very low. The infantry can’t keep up because they have been wiping out a new pocket every turn. AGS will try and push hard for a few turns and see what happens.

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Peltonx -> RE: Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman T-3 (5/15/2015 8:58:05 AM)

Turn 6 GHC Armaments: 85,000 Manpower: 25,000

HQBUs used: 1
Armament Pts Destroyed = 23
Heavy Industry Destroyed = 15
Manpower Pts over run during 1942 =
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions:
Brigades:
SU:
AP total:
Stavka KIA: 1,475,000 Stavka OOB: 3,770,000

AGN starts a right hook, but meets a wall of very high CV. No right hook this game. allot of very high cv in Leningrad area.

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Peltonx -> RE: Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman T-6 (5/15/2015 8:59:02 AM)

AGC forms a nice pocket of 9 high CV units.

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Peltonx -> RE: Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman T-6 (5/15/2015 9:00:15 AM)

AGS bags a few more units, getting low on MP at the end of the chain.

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Peltonx -> RE: Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman T-8 Blood in the Water (5/15/2015 9:01:57 AM)

Turn 7 GHC Armaments: 87,000 Manpower: 25,000 VP: 177

HQBUs used: 2
Armament Pts Destroyed = 39
Heavy Industry Destroyed = 20
Manpower Pts over run during 1942 =
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions:
Brigades:
SU:
AP total:
Stavka KIA: 1,655,000 Stavka OOB: 3,837,000
AGN pockets 3 more divisions. Stavka has a 2 rows of high CV wall from Leningrad to 4 hexes south of Lake Ilmen so panzers head south as there is next to nothing in the center. Pitman appears to be all in near Leningrad and down by Stalino leaving the center wide open.


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Peltonx -> RE: Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman T-8 Blood in the Water (5/15/2015 9:03:01 AM)

AGC is a nut house of which TDV would be proud. Not sure how many cav divisions are in the marsh, but its worth pocketing. AGC panzers heads south to link up with the Panzer Corp that’s been released from AGS. There is nothing as in nothing in the center east of the rivers. I am guessing he thinks hes going to cut a rail line? Sad thing is I don’t have a rail line withen 12 hexs to north and 20+ to south. I do have more then a few AARs that clearly shows where my railheads are yet the mad marsh madness heheheh. 2 HQBU done here.

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Peltonx -> RE: Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman T-8 Blood in the Water (5/15/2015 9:04:13 AM)

AGS finishes off its pocket and rests. I do HQBU’s next turn and see what I can pocket. Odessa is being a pain in the butt. The LW moves next door and starts bombing the port.

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Callistrid -> RE: Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman T-6 (5/15/2015 9:09:00 AM)

Pelton, you won this game. Pitman sacrifice his troops, but he failed to slow you. On south, the way is open to capture Kharkov, D-town, and Stalino.
The heavy looses before the mid turns came (6-13 turn).
The rail lines on center are damn close to the frontline, so HKBU, and the following turns moscow will be on focus.

The situation seems to be helpless.

On T07 will you post casualty list? After you eliminate all pockets.



Peltonx -> RE: Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman T-8 Blood in the Water (5/15/2015 9:23:03 AM)

Turn 8 GHC Armaments: 87,000 Manpower: 25,000 VP: 179

HQBUs used: 3
Armament Pts Destroyed = 43
Heavy Industry Destroyed = 23
Manpower Pts over run during 1942 =
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions:
Brigades:
SU:
AP total:
Stavka KIA: 1,722,000
Stavka OOB: 4,025,000
AGN forms a large pocket just north of the land bridge. Stavka simply has way way to many troops defending Leningrad, not sure why a Russian player would think they can hold Leningrad vs even and average GHC player?
I am sure vs a computer it is easy, but a human simply has to plow to the city then put the port at 100% damage in 4 turns and its over. A players should delay, no more then that. I have done recon to east in center and its wide open. Moscow should be Stavkas #1 thing to hold not Leningrad.
Check out all the engineers repairing rail lines ƒº Seeing I don¡¦t use HQBU much I transfer all con units to AGC,AGN and AGS HQ¡¦s+ a few to OKH. The main lines going to Leningrad and Moscow already have 2 ties from north to south. 1 line has been cut by partisans which did not stop supplies because of the north south ties. This also remedies the issue with AGS only having one FDB. Every rail hex should be repaired by summer 42.


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Peltonx -> RE: Pelton(GHC) vs Pitman T-8 Blood in the Water (5/15/2015 9:23:45 AM)

AGC forms a massive pocket. The western most units are cut off, the center of the marsh is cut off and hole mess is cut. The eastern most pocket will not hold this turn, but all the rail lines are cut so its just a matter of time now. Industry at Bryansk was destoried also. Again why all these troops in this area? Stavka is not even close to a railhead, troops on a mission to no wheres.

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