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JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (8/25/2016 5:08:32 PM)

Operation Paper
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Normally something like this in 1/43 is completely unthinkable. Especially considering my very weak CV force. But...Japan has no troops and no air power down here. They have also completely ignored base expansion except Rabaul and Port Moresby itself. PM will be visited by North and South Carolina together with Indiana tonight. I donīt expect the airfield to be operational come morning. And if it is I hope the 4Es flying from Cairns can deal with it.

CAP is weak. Only about 70 fighters available together with 50 P38s flying LRCAP from Portland Roads. But Jeff will be flying all the way from Rabaul. I feel its relatively safe. The base will be captured very fast and I have lots of fighters ready to fly in and CAP PM once its captured.

I feel this is a relative safe operation.

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HansBolter -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (8/25/2016 8:56:20 PM)

Saw the Westrailia in action a few panels back.

Shouldn't she be converting to an LSLI in 1/43?

Too valuable to use as a raider IMHO.




BBfanboy -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (8/26/2016 12:00:07 AM)

Hopefully NOT South Carolina! Her 12" guns should be at the razor blade factory by your game date! [:D]
So is it South Dakota or Washington with North Carolina?

BB South Carolina :



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JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (8/26/2016 5:14:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

Saw the Westrailia in action a few panels back.

Shouldn't she be converting to an LSLI in 1/43?

Too valuable to use as a raider IMHO.


No clue. Iīll look into it. [:)]




JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (8/26/2016 5:15:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Hopefully NOT South Carolina! Her 12" guns should be at the razor blade factory by your game date! [:D]
So is it South Dakota or Washington with North Carolina?

BB South Carolina :
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Ooops. Good catch. Its SoDac, NC and Indiana. [:)]




JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (8/27/2016 7:51:59 PM)

Sorry guys. No turn or replay yet.




JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (8/28/2016 1:33:04 PM)

January 30th -43
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Not much to report...

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WC
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PTs clear out 2 PBs that lingered outside Santa Ana. P47 sweeps hit empty skies. Bombers donīt fly for unknown reasons. Another attack at LA in 2 days. I keep bombarding with decent results. Jeff has reinforced with another division.

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Ground combat at Los Angeles (225,76)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2652 troops, 210 guns, 191 vehicles, Assault Value = 3156

Defending force 76087 troops, 1087 guns, 1264 vehicles, Assault Value = 1850

Japanese ground losses:
75 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)






JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (8/28/2016 1:38:59 PM)

Paper
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As expected Jeff prepared to attack the fleet during daylight. We had anticipated this though...

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Night Naval bombardment of Port Moresby at 98,130

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 16 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 3 destroyed on ground
A6M5 Zero: 34 damaged
A6M5 Zero: 7 destroyed on ground


Allied Ships
BB Indiana
BB South Dakota
BB North Carolina

DD Le Triomphant
DD McCall
DD Gridley
DD Russell
DD Mustin
DD Hammann
DD Anderson
DD Hughes


Japanese ground losses:
651 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 20 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 4 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 29
Port hits 11
Port supply hits 5


18 planes destroyed on the ground. Runway lists 71 damage. 4Es didnīt fly but will hopefully do so tomorrow.

Sadly the amphibs decided it was time to refuel the escorts and they burned all their OPs doing so. Landing is delayed another day. ETA 2 days.

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JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (8/28/2016 2:09:36 PM)

Alaskan evacuation?
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Sending some recon up here to take a look at Coal Harbor...



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JohnDillworth -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (8/28/2016 2:12:19 PM)

good night bombardment results. Are you using the BB flat planes to spot at night?




JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (8/28/2016 2:20:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

good night bombardment results. Are you using the BB flat planes to spot at night?


Yepp. [:)]




JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (8/30/2016 8:45:03 PM)

Sorry guys. No turn or replay yet.




HansBolter -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (8/30/2016 10:14:58 PM)

I wrong about Westrailia being able to convert to an LSI(L) in 1/43.

Its the Canadian AMCs that have to wait till 1/43 for conversions.

The Aussie ones can convert in 9/42.

the LSI is the commonwealth equivalent of the APA.

These are very valuable ships that you should convert and get out of raider duty.




JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (9/1/2016 3:38:43 PM)

Got the turn....

But no replay and no CR....




Lokasenna -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (9/1/2016 4:51:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Got the turn....

But no replay and no CR....


Ha! Well, at least you can load Tracker to see what happened [:D]




JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (9/3/2016 6:03:54 AM)

Finally got the replay. Working on the turn right now. Iīll try and get an update up later today. Not much happened. More action next turn though!




JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (9/3/2016 7:15:01 AM)

Paper/SOPAC
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Fleet is now in position for the landing tomorrow morning. Americal and 27th ID will land and I expect them to very quickly overcome the small garrison. The will be followed up by the 1st Australian landing at Milne in 2-3 days. Only 1600 defenders are in place and will quickly be thrown out.

Iīm lighter in terms of air cover then I would wish. But with PMs airfield closed I expect the range from Rabaul to aid me. 50 Wildkittens will provide CAP from CVEs while Sara stand off 2 hexes out. 50 P38s from Portland Roads will also provide LRCAP. A CL and CA TF will provide a tempting target for any Japanese bombers. If they come I hope they will go for the CVEs and/or Cruisers.

Further down south a major reshuffle of BFs are taking place. The allies are abandoning many locations which was the frontline not too long ago and moving troops and BFs forward. 1st Marines and 3rd Australian prepares for the attack into the Solomons.

Two huge convoys make it to Auckland and start unloading 380k fuel, 1,2 million supply and 120k troops. Some of the cargoships will remain in theater to aid in the troop shuffle.

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JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (9/3/2016 7:20:08 AM)

Andamans
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This is a supply and reinforcement operation. The entire fleet is here though in case Jeff decides to try and interfere. We did sink a Japanese SSN last turn which was very nice.

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Submarine attack near Trincomalee at 37,54

Japanese Ships
SS I-32, hits 18, and is sunk

Allied Ships
PC Jumna
DE Starling
KV Thyme
PC Haideri


SS I-32 is sighted by escort
DE Starling fails to find sub, continues to search...
KV Thyme fails to find sub and abandons search
DE Starling attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-32 forced to surface!
DE Starling firing on surfaced sub ....
KV Thyme firing on surfaced sub ....
PC Haideri firing on surfaced sub ....
DE Starling firing on surfaced sub ....
Sub slips beneath the waves



Starting to get second thought about Pencil II. Not the OP in itself but rather the time frame. Doing massive landing with only 2 CVs for air cover makes me feel really uncomfortable. More on that later...

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JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (9/3/2016 10:57:09 AM)

Pencil II
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Giving it some more thought I pretty much decided to postpone the OP for at least 4 months. It will still be on semi standby but the support troops will head back to the frontline for now.

There are several reasons I decided against the OP.

- Its outside allied LBA.
- I have only 2 CVs available for CAP.
- I have to unload from xAPs/xAPs which will take several days to unload.
- There are several big Japanese air fields within striking range of the landing. These are also outside allied LBA.

I need to do several things to make Pencil II viable.

- I need to move Sara and the CVEs to the OI.
- Sara needs to refit. Several months overdue and 6 FLT damage from a TT in June.
- Hellcats.
- P38s will have to be moved to the OI.
- AP/AKs will have to refit to APA/AKAs.

All these things are easily done. But I need time for them to happen. Hellcats and APA/AKAs are 2 months away. I donīt have any P38 squadrons in the OI. They will have to be moved from the WC. The SOPAC fleet will have to transit to the OI. Probably via CT to let Sara refit.

This puts us roughly in June. While I donīt like it Iīm already ahead of schedule.




ny59giants -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (9/3/2016 12:31:59 PM)

For any reinforcement or invasion make sure that you have a LCU or two with Naval Support. This is especially important when unloading from non-APA/AKAs and AP/AKs. Its easy to overlook when planning for invasions and I've had to reshuffle and quickly prep those units to ensure a swifter unloading.

Send a few Wildcat groups to India, if you haven't already.

Edit - Just ran my turn and identified the "Base Maint Eng Bn" and "Boat & Shore Bn" as the two you want with invasion TFs as they have Naval Support and Shore Parties.




JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (9/3/2016 1:17:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

For any reinforcement or invasion make sure that you have a LCU or two with Naval Support. This is especially important when unloading from non-APA/AKAs and AP/AKs. Its easy to overlook when planning for invasions and I've had to reshuffle and quickly prep those units to ensure a swifter unloading.

Send a few Wildcat groups to India, if you haven't already.

Edit - Just ran my turn and identified the "Base Maint Eng Bn" and "Boat & Shore Bn" as the two you want with invasion TFs as they have Naval Support and Shore Parties.


Yep, they started arriving about a month ago. But in my eternal wisdom I decided to send them all to SOPAC.... [8|]




JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (9/3/2016 2:19:52 PM)

Paper
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Troops begin unloading...so far uninterrupted.

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JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (9/3/2016 2:21:13 PM)

Paper
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A well escorted strike show up in the AM phase. Will the CAP be enough?



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JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (9/3/2016 2:25:20 PM)

Paper
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Cap performs very well! But 3 Betties make it through and go for Prince William!

Luckily AA is strong and the Betties all miss! [&o]

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Port Moresby at 98,130

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 13
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 37

Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 10
F4F-4 Wildcat x 38


Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 6 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 8 destroyed


No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CVE Prince William

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp


No Japanese counter bombardment which probably means they are out of supply after the BB bombardment. Hopefully PM will be liberated tomorrow!


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JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (9/3/2016 2:28:29 PM)

LA
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This time the troops were fully rested and recovered. Time to come up with something else.


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Ground combat at Los Angeles (225,76)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 109021 troops, 2056 guns, 4755 vehicles, Assault Value = 3698

Defending force 76626 troops, 1093 guns, 1260 vehicles, Assault Value = 1893

Allied adjusted assault: 1760

Japanese adjusted defense: 8185

Allied assault odds: 1 to 4

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1291 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 115 disabled
Non Combat: 27 destroyed, 43 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 21 disabled
Guns lost 87 (7 destroyed, 80 disabled)
Vehicles lost 101 (51 destroyed, 50 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
5644 casualties reported
Squads: 81 destroyed, 606 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 124 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 46 disabled
Guns lost 144 (9 destroyed, 135 disabled)
Vehicles lost 217 (12 destroyed, 205 disabled)




crsutton -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (9/3/2016 6:01:23 PM)

Just got caught up PM is a great base to have. Level 9 airfields are the Allies best hope. However in my experience. Milne Bay is even more critical and is the leaping point for retaking NG and reducing Rabaul.




JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (9/4/2016 8:05:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: crsutton

Just got caught up PM is a great base to have. Level 9 airfields are the Allies best hope. However in my experience. Milne Bay is even more critical and is the leaping point for retaking NG and reducing Rabaul.


Milne landing in 2-3 turns. [:)]




poodlebrain -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (9/4/2016 3:32:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

LA
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This time the troops were fully rested and recovered. Time to come up with something else.


quote:

Ground combat at Los Angeles (225,76)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 109021 troops, 2056 guns, 4755 vehicles, Assault Value = 3698

Defending force 76626 troops, 1093 guns, 1260 vehicles, Assault Value = 1893

Allied adjusted assault: 1760

Japanese adjusted defense: 8185

Allied assault odds: 1 to 4

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1291 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 115 disabled
Non Combat: 27 destroyed, 43 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 21 disabled
Guns lost 87 (7 destroyed, 80 disabled)
Vehicles lost 101 (51 destroyed, 50 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
5644 casualties reported
Squads: 81 destroyed, 606 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 124 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 46 disabled
Guns lost 144 (9 destroyed, 135 disabled)
Vehicles lost 217 (12 destroyed, 205 disabled)

Until you see supply(-) in the combat results you will not have any real success attacking. You are experienced enough as a player to know how to make that happen.




JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (9/4/2016 5:45:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: poodlebrain
Until you see supply(-) in the combat results you will not have any real success attacking. You are experienced enough as a player to know how to make that happen.


It was going pretty well until he reinforced with yet another division. Ah well. The whole idea of attacking at LA was to force him to move troops from SD to LA. He started with 3 divisions in LA and now he has 7 or 8. So I guess that was successful.

Donīt think I have enough bombers to really start hurting his supply though. Ground bombardments will have to do that.

Time to start flanking I think. Iīll leave 3-4 divisions at LA and start moving around. Basically that will force him out of LA eventually. He canīt defend LA and the clear hex east of LA.




JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (9/5/2016 4:34:10 PM)

PM
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Troops are ashore in good order. Everything unloaded including 8k supply. That will be enough for now. Time to pull back the Amphibs.



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