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traskott -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (2/17/2016 3:51:20 PM)
I agree too.

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (2/17/2016 3:57:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Canoerebel Absolutly, if your guys aren't too beat up. But if they badly disrupted and fatigued, you'd better wait a couple of days. Next attack should definitely be shock unless he manages to reinforce. He is pulling out so he will shift hex any day now. I´ll have to wait for the turn to see how disrupted they are. [:)]

Canoerebel -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (2/17/2016 4:00:26 PM)
I suppose we've all experienced this: We almost win an attack on a high-end 1:1; the enemy is obviously cracking; the Computer tells us our units want to attack again; we order the attack; it comes off at 1:4 and really messes up our units. At least I've experienced that alot, especially in my early days when I hardly paid attention to fatigue and disruption. I think F and D are the culprits. So if your guys are 20 F/20 D or perhaps 30 F/30 D, I'd go for it, as a successful shock attack will maul his units (as you know). But if your guys are 60 F/60 D or something like that, you're asking for trouble. Of course, I'm sure you know these things better than I do.

Lokasenna -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (2/17/2016 5:04:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister quote: Sub attack near Norfolk Island at 113,171 Japanese Ships SS RO-33, hits 1 Allied Ships CV Saratoga, Torpedo hits 1, on fire CA Pensacola CLAA San Diego DD Morris DD Lardner DD Lansdowne Fuel storage explosion on CV Saratoga SS RO-33 launches 4 torpedoes at CV Saratoga DD Morris fails to find sub and abandons search DD Lardner fails to find sub and abandons search DD Lansdowne attacking submerged sub .... Escort abandons search for sub Yeah...my luck with Japanese SSNs continue to hold...my fault really. Didn´t have 20 CVEs with dedicated ASW groups on it. My own fault really. Don´t know the damage yet but it will probably be the yards for her. Japan has nuclear attack submarines?!

BBfanboy -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (2/17/2016 6:03:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister quote: Sub attack near Norfolk Island at 113,171 Japanese Ships SS RO-33, hits 1 Allied Ships CV Saratoga, Torpedo hits 1, on fire CA Pensacola CLAA San Diego DD Morris DD Lardner DD Lansdowne Fuel storage explosion on CV Saratoga SS RO-33 launches 4 torpedoes at CV Saratoga DD Morris fails to find sub and abandons search DD Lardner fails to find sub and abandons search DD Lansdowne attacking submerged sub .... Escort abandons search for sub Yeah...my luck with Japanese SSNs continue to hold...my fault really. Didn´t have 20 CVEs with dedicated ASW groups on it. My own fault really. Don´t know the damage yet but it will probably be the yards for her. Japan has nuclear attack submarines?! A new mod - Atom Man Super Subs Nasty

BBfanboy -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (2/17/2016 6:10:42 PM)
quote: JocMeister: I thought he would leave the hex this turn. Wonder if he accidently reset his movement or I counted wrong. No accident. I am pretty sure that when a unit is moving in combat mode or move mode and gets attacked, it cancels its move to defend itself. If there are a number of units in the hex, only those that get involved in the combat get knocked out of their move progress. I have always thought the loss of movement progress is quite unfair, given that IRL it might halt it's progress for a round to fight but would not go back many miles to the starting point to defend. All part of the abstracted hex movement calculations I guess.

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (2/17/2016 6:18:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Canoerebel I suppose we've all experienced this: We almost win an attack on a high-end 1:1; the enemy is obviously cracking; the Computer tells us our units want to attack again; we order the attack; it comes off at 1:4 and really messes up our units. At least I've experienced that alot, especially in my early days when I hardly paid attention to fatigue and disruption. I think F and D are the culprits. So if your guys are 20 F/20 D or perhaps 30 F/30 D, I'd go for it, as a successful shock attack will maul his units (as you know). But if your guys are 60 F/60 D or something like that, you're asking for trouble. Of course, I'm sure you know these things better than I do. Last 2 attacks have bumped F/D a little bit too high for comfort so I probably shouldn´t attack. Besides Jeffs stack probably won´t be left next turn anyway. But if things look okay I´ll order the shock. [:)] quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna Japan has nuclear attack submarines?! How else can they sneak through 30 radar equipped DDs to attack a target moving at 20-25 knots? Only explanation I have found to account for all the CV losses I have had to subs. Only thing that seems to help is having 10-12 CVEs with dedicated ASW groups. Sadly I don´t have that many yet. [:(]

Lokasenna -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (2/17/2016 11:19:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy quote: JocMeister: I thought he would leave the hex this turn. Wonder if he accidently reset his movement or I counted wrong. No accident. I am pretty sure that when a unit is moving in combat mode or move mode and gets attacked, it cancels its move to defend itself. If there are a number of units in the hex, only those that get involved in the combat get knocked out of their move progress. I have always thought the loss of movement progress is quite unfair, given that IRL it might halt it's progress for a round to fight but would not go back many miles to the starting point to defend. All part of the abstracted hex movement calculations I guess. No, they will retain their movement (to my knowledge), however they will be reset to Combat mode if they are not already in it.

BBfanboy -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (2/18/2016 1:23:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy quote: JocMeister: I thought he would leave the hex this turn. Wonder if he accidently reset his movement or I counted wrong. No accident. I am pretty sure that when a unit is moving in combat mode or move mode and gets attacked, it cancels its move to defend itself. If there are a number of units in the hex, only those that get involved in the combat get knocked out of their move progress. I have always thought the loss of movement progress is quite unfair, given that IRL it might halt it's progress for a round to fight but would not go back many miles to the starting point to defend. All part of the abstracted hex movement calculations I guess. No, they will retain their movement (to my knowledge), however they will be reset to Combat mode if they are not already in it. Yet another thing I will have to look for in game to see what happens ... [sm=00000117.gif]

poodlebrain -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (2/18/2016 4:07:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy quote: JocMeister: I thought he would leave the hex this turn. Wonder if he accidently reset his movement or I counted wrong. No accident. I am pretty sure that when a unit is moving in combat mode or move mode and gets attacked, it cancels its move to defend itself. If there are a number of units in the hex, only those that get involved in the combat get knocked out of their move progress. I have always thought the loss of movement progress is quite unfair, given that IRL it might halt it's progress for a round to fight but would not go back many miles to the starting point to defend. All part of the abstracted hex movement calculations I guess. One would hope the game takes into account the difficulty of withdrawal from contact, and adjusts combat results accordingly.

Rio Bravo -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (2/18/2016 8:09:07 AM)
Joc- Damn. Touch luck on the Saratoga. Best Regards, -Terry

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (2/18/2016 8:37:31 AM)
To my knowledge the engine doesn´t care if you are withdrawing from combat or just moving. You do leave any forts though unless you are in a base hex. Never got the turn file from Jeff yesterday so I still don´t know the extent of the damage on Sara. [:(] Best scenario she will be gone for a couple of weeks. Worst case...ugh.

obvert -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (2/18/2016 2:15:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister quote: ORIGINAL: Canoerebel I suppose we've all experienced this: We almost win an attack on a high-end 1:1; the enemy is obviously cracking; the Computer tells us our units want to attack again; we order the attack; it comes off at 1:4 and really messes up our units. At least I've experienced that alot, especially in my early days when I hardly paid attention to fatigue and disruption. I think F and D are the culprits. So if your guys are 20 F/20 D or perhaps 30 F/30 D, I'd go for it, as a successful shock attack will maul his units (as you know). But if your guys are 60 F/60 D or something like that, you're asking for trouble. Of course, I'm sure you know these things better than I do. Last 2 attacks have bumped F/D a little bit too high for comfort so I probably shouldn´t attack. Besides Jeffs stack probably won´t be left next turn anyway. But if things look okay I´ll order the shock. [:)] quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna Japan has nuclear attack submarines?! How else can they sneak through 30 radar equipped DDs to attack a target moving at 20-25 knots? Only explanation I have found to account for all the CV losses I have had to subs. Only thing that seems to help is having 10-12 CVEs with dedicated ASW groups. Sadly I don´t have that many yet. [:(] Still worrying about Japanese sub infiltrations!?! Good to see this going still. I'm no where near caught up. I'll try to stick with it for a few days to see what's happening. Been playing a lot of H to H and notice how little F/D defenders take, even in 1:1 attacks. I've stopped attacking even after a 1:1 if F > 25 and D is > 15. Unless there is a massive accompanying bombardment, at least.

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (2/18/2016 2:27:05 PM)
Dacca _____________________________________________________________________________ Should I risk a shock tomorrow? quote: Ground combat at Dacca (56,38) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 82455 troops, 1524 guns, 923 vehicles, Assault Value = 2295 Defending force 43785 troops, 552 guns, 229 vehicles, Assault Value = 867 Allied adjusted assault: 874 Japanese adjusted defense: 691 Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 2) Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 3083 casualties reported Squads: 11 destroyed, 250 disabled Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 55 disabled Engineers: 2 destroyed, 20 disabled Guns lost 91 (28 destroyed, 63 disabled) Vehicles lost 19 (8 destroyed, 11 disabled) Allied ground losses: 1558 casualties reported Squads: 9 destroyed, 156 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 28 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 15 disabled Guns lost 41 (1 destroyed, 40 disabled) Vehicles lost 6 (1 destroyed, 5 disabled) [image]local://upfiles/32406/04A04CBD40674FF8AAE02893EA12E31C.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (2/18/2016 2:32:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Still worrying about Japanese sub infiltrations!?! Good to see this going still. I'm no where near caught up. I'll try to stick with it for a few days to see what's happening. Been playing a lot of H to H and notice how little F/D defenders take, even in 1:1 attacks. I've stopped attacking even after a 1:1 if F > 25 and D is > 15. Unless there is a massive accompanying bombardment, at least. Those bloody subs give me fits! [X(] Sara took a TT in the same area about 2 months ago. In my game vs. Tom I lost her outright to 2 TTs. This while I managed 8 duds on Kaga in just a couple of days... Subs are not my favorite area of this game! [:D]

obvert -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (2/18/2016 2:51:53 PM)
Playing H to H I have been surprised at the effectiveness of IJN subs in 42-43. Tough buggers. I've had Sara, Enterprise, Wasp and South Dakota all hit before actions. Luckily I'm playing to learn and not to win! [:)] Losses on both sides of my Guad scenario have been staggering.

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (2/18/2016 4:04:15 PM)
I ordered the shock attack. If anyone thinks its insanity you still have about 30 mins to speak up! [:D]

tiemanjw -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (2/18/2016 4:53:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister I ordered the shock attack. If anyone thinks its insanity you still have about 30 mins to speak up! [:D] I vote go for it. Not because I think it is a good idea, but because I have no idea and want to see what happens. [;)]

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (2/18/2016 5:20:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tiemanj quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister I ordered the shock attack. If anyone thinks its insanity you still have about 30 mins to speak up! [:D] I vote go for it. Not because I think it is a good idea, but because I have no idea and want to see what happens. [;)] Haha, at least you are honest! [:D]

Hermit -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (2/18/2016 5:36:07 PM)
I say go for it. Although you've got several units in 30ish fatigue and a bit of disruption, I'm guessing he has more. You're advantage in firepower keeps increasing as more of his devices are being destroyed. His forts are lower than before. And couldn't some of his units actually leave? Then the ratio will be much higher and at least you'd trash the remaining ones. Finally, as you pointed out earlier, even if things go bad, your ability to recover is much greater. Overall, I'd say it's worth the risk factor.

Canoerebel -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (2/18/2016 5:54:40 PM)
How's Sara doing?

obvert -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (2/18/2016 7:16:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister I ordered the shock attack. If anyone thinks its insanity you still have about 30 mins to speak up! [:D] Yikes! I do. But I missed your timing. Hope it works out!

Lokasenna -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (2/19/2016 3:23:09 AM)
I don't think you're risking disaster (in my terms), but I wouldn't have shocked. A deliberate, yes. Not a shock.

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (2/19/2016 4:47:09 AM)
5th September _____________________________________________________________________________ Turns slowed down again. ------------------------ NORPAC/WC ------------------------ Still very quiet. ------------------------ SOPAC ------------------------ That odd TF turns out to be a lone PB heading for Aoba. Odd? quote: Day Time Surface Combat, near Aoba Island at 121,150, Range 18,000 Yards Japanese Ships PB Busho Maru, Shell hits 29, and is sunk Allied Ships DD Bagley, Shell hits 1 DD Blue A big TF starts unloading at Luganville. Andother at Lakatoro. Engineers are also unloading at Tanna. I´ve refueled some of the xAKLs at NZ and are sending them to Noumea. They will start shuttling thing around. ------------------------ Saratoga ------------------------ Turns out I was very lucky. Nothing major but I will need a trip to the yards. Question is if I do the repairs here in OZ or send her to the WC...time wise it might not be much difference. But if I repair her in OZ the Sydney repair yard will be occupied for a good while... 10/42 updates are less then a month away too....it adds 1000+ AAA value so its not one to skip. ------------------------ India ------------------------ Turns out...Jeff left the Dacca. I was off by a day. A small Arty unit is destroyed in the attack though. Always something. [:)]

Xilana -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (2/19/2016 5:49:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister ------------------------ Saratoga ------------------------ Turns out I was very lucky. Nothing major but I will need a trip to the yards. Question is if I do the repairs here in OZ or send her to the WC...time wise it might not be much difference. But if I repair her in OZ the Sydney repair yard will be occupied for a good while... 10/42 updates are less then a month away too....it adds 1000+ AAA value so its not one to skip. I think it makes more sense to make for Sydney; its a big ocean to cross with lots of subs waiting for you outside the big ports I surmise. ?Do you have any thoughts of what your opponent is up to outside of CBI? Any plans to retake Hawaii?

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (2/19/2016 6:08:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: venividivici10044a I think it makes more sense to make for Sydney; its a big ocean to cross with lots of subs waiting for you outside the big ports I surmise. ?Do you have any thoughts of what your opponent is up to outside of CBI? Any plans to retake Hawaii? Its not that long heading straight for Balboa and then the WC. Havn´t run into any subs there yet. But I´ll probably go for Sydney anyway. Looking at my timetable I don´t have time for a trip to the WC without having to postpone a lot of stuff. I´ll get a post up shortly regarding my thoughts. [:)]

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (2/19/2016 6:53:08 AM)
Strategic musings _____________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------ NORPAC/WC ------------------------ I would have liked to start moving here. Sadly I´ve had to scrub those plans for now. While I have the troops to recapture Coal Harbor I can´t do it without air and naval control. At he moment I have neither of those. The Navy will be busy for the rest of 42 which means NORPAC will have to wait. New timetable probably around mid 43. I can´t put this off for too long though as there are loads of Japanese base VPs in these areas. I probably will need to recapture at least Alaska during 43 to keep AV off the table. ------------------------ India ------------------------ With the capture of Dacca the Japanese position in India will be impossible. The supply from Chittagong can´t be defended and a withdrawal to Burma is inevitable. I predict Japan will have left India before 42 is up. This frees up a lot of troops for me that can be used elsewhere. I need to figure out where to use them. Throwing them into the Burmese quagmire isn´t always a given. I may have an idea though. ------------------------ SOPAC/OZ ------------------------ With complete lack of Japanese resistance we are slowly building up our infrastructure. Once that is in place we can start moving. Progress might be slow right now but once we get moving things can move very fast. I decided to secure the Solomons just because I always bypass it. I look to land in the Solomons before 42 is up. Right now we are hampered by lack of bases and the possible presence of KB. If its still around it will be sitting at Rabaul. If I were in a AV situation I would move a lot more aggressively here. But VP ratio is dropping for each turn and might even dip below 3:1 depending on how fast Chungking falls. ------------------------ CENTPAC ------------------------ So, the big question: When will we take back PH? Short answer: It will be a while. Long answer: PH in itself isn´t something I need. My current supply route is working great and is only 16 hexes longer then my normal one. Due to off map travel (and slower loading) though it adds about 10-14 days of travel though. This is actually not that big of a deal once you get things up and running. This was easily compensated by sending extra long range xAKs from CT to Balboa. I also sent an extra TF worth of tankers from Abadan to Balboa. Only thing I would need PH for is for a push into CENTPAC which I have no desire for right now. The ultimate goal of capturing CENTPAC is obviously to get to the Marianas. Planned properly this is quick work though if you go PH-Midway-Wake. I can do that in a couple of months in 44. I´ll open a new front here in early/mid 43 though. It won´t be PH though. Obviously this could change quickly if AV becomes an issue as PH is 3000 Japanese VPs... ------------------------ Japanese intentions ------------------------ I have absolutely no clue what Jeff is up to. India was a very odd move considering the opening. So is the complete lack of troops in SOPAC. Heavy artillery moving for PH is really the only indication I have of Japanese movements lately. If they really are moving for PH it could mean Jeff isn´t finished in NORPAC. It could also be "fake movement" and they were moving somewhere else. But where? SIGINT havn´t given anything away lately. Best guess right now is that Jeff has realized the chance of AV is gone and are starting to prepare his defenses. He has A LOT of ground to cover. And he has to be worried about the number of allied troops in India. Don´t think any Japanese player would relish a 5000 AV allied army in Burma in early 43. This is not something he can ignore. He needs about the same in solid Japanese troops (not RTA) to to hold. He has so much he need to cover right now. Burma, Sumatra, New Guinea, Solomons, Northern OZ PH/CENTPAC, NORPAC and Alaska. Lots and lots of ground.

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (2/19/2016 7:02:22 AM)
PS. Map of India coming up today. Havn´t gotten the turn yet. Only replay.

JeffroK -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (2/19/2016 7:03:00 AM)
I may have an idea though. Has CR been doing a recce for you?? [:'(]

JocMeister -> RE: Canada and India invaded! (2/19/2016 7:10:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JeffK I may have an idea though. Has CR been doing a recce for you?? [:'(] I have no idea what you are talking about...[sm=innocent0009.gif]

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