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witpqs -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (7/20/2016 8:16:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Hehe, yeah you did. Problem with letting him come to me in LA is that he is never going to attack there though. He doesn´t even have half the raw AV. Its x3 terrain and he knows for sure there are forts there. Just not how many. So he is not going to attack. He is just trying (successfully) to block me in. I´ll attack again next turn. I´ll grind him down eventually as I can recover and cycle troops in and out. He can´t. [:)] Taking the contrarian position, I'd ask why you're in such a hurry to beat him, eject him, off the WC? If he doesn't attack at LA, great! He sits prime LCUs--that can't really hurt yours--on a foreign shore, eating groceries and getting sniped by air power. Why is that bad for you? They're at LA they're not in the DEI, for example. Instead, you handed him almost two good divisions for very little return. Do you need the guys at LA to defend SD? You've said you think SD is fine now, so no. Why attack out of Level 9 forts at LA? It's water under the bridge, but maybe you don't go back upstream at this point. I have no experience with this point so I want to confirm: have the factories at LA and SD that produce aircraft ceased production, or are they still pumping out birds? I don't see why they wouldn't? The only things that don't are apparently HI, but also Resources/Oil. Just want to verify how it works. [8D]

JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (7/21/2016 7:19:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 Taking the contrarian position, I'd ask why you're in such a hurry to beat him, eject him, off the WC? If he doesn't attack at LA, great! He sits prime LCUs--that can't really hurt yours--on a foreign shore, eating groceries and getting sniped by air power. Why is that bad for you? They're at LA they're not in the DEI, for example. Instead, you handed him almost two good divisions for very little return. Do you need the guys at LA to defend SD? You've said you think SD is fine now, so no. Why attack out of Level 9 forts at LA? It's water under the bridge, but maybe you don't go back upstream at this point. If I knew that SD was 100% sure I would be in no hurry whatsoever. But for every division worth of troops disabled at LA means one division left on SD. To my knowledge I never said SD was fine. I said I think its fine but its not something to take chances on. Besides my attacks have been going quite well at LA. Doing at least the same amount of damage I suffered. This obviously is the exception. But not unexpected considering only 2 divisions attacked.

JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (7/21/2016 7:21:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs I have no experience with this point so I want to confirm: have the factories at LA and SD that produce aircraft ceased production, or are they still pumping out birds? They are still producing. [:)]

JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (7/21/2016 7:23:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IJV I think specifically the problem is supply at San Diego - namely that there isn't, in the grand scheme of things, very much of it (iirc 50k on D+2 of the invasion? can't remember what was posted), so being passive elsewhere would tend to lead to that becoming a potential Problem very quickly (or at least more so than it will as things stand). Which, of course, begs the question - how's that situation now ? For now its unchanged. 51k supply. This despite BB bombardments and strat bombing from the air as well as two ground bombardments. So I´m still getting supply there. [:)]

JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (7/21/2016 1:40:31 PM)
Still no turn. Maybe today...

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (7/21/2016 3:48:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister To my knowledge I never said SD was fine. I said I think its fine but its not something to take chances on. Besides my attacks have been going quite well at LA. Doing at least the same amount of damage I suffered. This obviously is the exception. But not unexpected considering only 2 divisions attacked. Since you have some time, can you post the CRs for the other attacks? I'd like to see a full-stack Allied attack.

JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (7/21/2016 4:45:31 PM)
On the phone right now but they are all in the AAR if you want to check. [:)] EDIT: Page 91 for the last one. I can´t remember if it was all troops or if some where resting. I think the 3rd Marines might have been in reserve mode.

JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (7/22/2016 5:46:23 AM)
Gah, got the turn last night but Jeff had forgotten to end it. [:(]

JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (7/22/2016 2:51:39 PM)
Los Angeles _____________________________________________________________________________ Ah, not too bad. At it again tomorrow boys! Obviously the 4th Motorizes is shot. They will rotate out and be replaced by the 91st ID. [image]local://upfiles/32406/6B049ED5650942CA96018AF8B2EA956B.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (7/22/2016 2:54:38 PM)
Airlosses _____________________________________________________________________________ Another tough day for the Japanese. How many more can he take? Given my prior experience waiting/hoping for Japanese pools to run dry is...futile though. [image]local://upfiles/32406/EABE0CACD5A9434AAB8224D6D656B173.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (7/22/2016 2:55:44 PM)
Shiplosses _____________________________________________________________________________ Hah, In my dreams... [image]local://upfiles/32406/73E802FEE6924445B72F5D2FE727D5C1.jpg[/image]

jwolf -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (7/22/2016 3:02:48 PM)
The 3 Jap cruisers probably aren't really sunk, but they are at least useless for any more of the West Coast campaign. So strategically they're down 3 good ships.

JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (7/22/2016 4:14:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jwolf The 3 Jap cruisers probably aren't really sunk, but they are at least useless for any more of the West Coast campaign. So strategically they're down 3 good ships. Yeah I know. Hence I wrote "in my dreams"... [:)] I did get 82 VPs from sunk ships this turn though. One of them might have...if so probably Takao.

JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (7/22/2016 8:27:03 PM)
Turn off to Jeff. I´m leaving town and will be back on Wednesday. I´ll have internet access but not access to the game. Hopefully I get the CR so I can post anything important.

JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (7/26/2016 6:12:51 PM)
Back home. No turn but I got the replay. No CR though and considering the major sync issues last turn I don´t think its really meaningful to do a full update until I have the CR. If my replay is correct it was a good allied turn with one bad apple. P47s made a mess of mostly a Zero CAP. We secured Port Blair, landed our first Paperclip forces and made a good attack at LA shaving off another 200 AV from the Japanese forces. Losses were about even. A 1:2 attack. A Japanese sub managed to sink a fully laden allied xAP though. We lost almost 3000 men. Around 150 support squads destroyed. Ouch.

JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (7/27/2016 6:13:00 AM)
Still nothing from Lowpe. Odd. Emailed him 3 days ago about the CR and then again yesterday telling him I´m home and reminding him of the CR. Anyway. Here is the Japanese WC CAP. Extremely weak and the zeroes took a huge pounding. quote: Morning Air attack on Santa Ana , at 226,76 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid detected at 18 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 5 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 56 Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 19 Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 4 Allied aircraft P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 22 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zero: 3 destroyed Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed The next sweep only 33 Zeroes on CAP. The sweep after that saw 4...[sm=00000028.gif] I think I lost 2-6 P47s but its really hard to tell since I can only estimate OP losses.

JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (7/27/2016 6:20:00 AM)
LA attack _____________________________________________________________________________ Another good hit here. About equal damage but I can take the losses. Jeff can´t forever. Remember that this attack was done before the replacement division for the 40th Motorized has arrived. I have another 3 divisions in reserve that I can rotate in if needed. How long can he keep this up? quote: Ground combat at Los Angeles (225,76) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 89835 troops, 1820 guns, 4141 vehicles, Assault Value = 3151 Defending force 66499 troops, 876 guns, 812 vehicles, Assault Value = 1535 Allied adjusted assault: 2041 Japanese adjusted defense: 4369 Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 1860 casualties reported Squads: 10 destroyed, 157 disabled Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 39 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 35 disabled Guns lost 143 (10 destroyed, 133 disabled) Vehicles lost 51 (16 destroyed, 35 disabled) Allied ground losses: 2063 casualties reported Squads: 13 destroyed, 139 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 45 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 43 disabled Guns lost 51 (4 destroyed, 47 disabled) Vehicles lost 107 (8 destroyed, 99 disabled) Assaulting units: 6th Armoured Division 40th Infantry Division 5th Armoured Division 8th Motorized Division 7th Motorized Division 4th Motorized Division 41st Infantry Division 13th Armoured Division 3rd Marine Division 2nd Armored Division Provisional Tank Brigade 603rd Coast AA Regiment LA Harbor Defense 183rd Field Artillery Battalion 3rd USN Naval Construction Regiment 214th Coast AA Regiment 19th Base Maint Engineer Battalion 503rd Coast AA Regiment 181st Field Artillery Battalion 21st US Naval Construction Battalion 188th Field Artillery Battalion 24th MAG 37th US Naval Construction Battalion 144th Field Artillery Regiment 204th Coast AA Regiment 21st Base Maint Engineer Battalion 511th Coast AA Regiment 352nd Construction Regiment 29th USN Special Construction Battalion Los Angeles USN Base Force 54th Coastal Artillery Regiment 168th Field Artillery Battalion 165th Field Artillery Battalion I US Corps II USA Corps Defending units: 12th Division 9th Division 2nd Tank Division 1st Division 16th Division 6th Guards Division 1st Air Defense AA Battalion 2nd RF Gun Battalion 5th RF Gun Battalion 10th RF Gun Battalion 3rd Air Defense AA Regiment 12th Ind.AA Gun Co 8th RF Gun Battalion 2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment 15th Air Defense AA Regiment 7th Air Defense AA Regiment 7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 9th RF Gun Battalion 11th RF Gun Battalion 18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 15th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 22nd Fld AA Gun Co 2nd Air Defense AA Regiment 15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 3rd Hvy.Artillery Rgt /1

JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (7/27/2016 1:55:14 PM)
Got the CR from Jeff and the sync issues we suffered last turn are now gone. [:)] Won´t get the turn until tomorrow.

JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (7/28/2016 6:41:58 AM)
Sorry guys. Still no turn. [:(]

paullus99 -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (7/28/2016 12:22:14 PM)
Hmmmm....he has time for his "Downfall" game. A real shame that he appears to be letting this game slide, just when it was getting interesting.

JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (7/28/2016 12:56:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: paullus99 Hmmmm....he has time for his "Downfall" game. A real shame that he appears to be letting this game slide, just when it was getting interesting. Yeah, I knew from the start this game would come secondly. But he has kept up a very good pace and we have done at least 1 per day from the get go. Not seldom 2 or even 3 turns per day. But since his WC OP started to bog down we have hardly done 1 per week. Even after I have been gone for several days I have had to wait several days more for the turn. I sent him a turn before I left Friday evening. Its now 6 days since and I still don´t have the turn. I know from personal experience motivation takes a dive from time to time. Especially when things go badly. I might ask for a day or two off from the game but then I deliver at the usual pace. This pace makes me lose interest in the game and it forces me to spend a lot more time on the turn just going through everything and trying to remember what I was going to do. Its also hard to motivate myself to do all the "boring behind the scenes" stuff since I´m not sure this game will go much further. This obviously might have a negative impact on the game if it does continue. Going to give Jeff a little more time to find his motivation but my patience is starting to wear out.

Anachro -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (7/28/2016 1:03:04 PM)
I would stress patience. Lowpe will finish the game and see it out as long as he can, although motivation might be affecting the current turn response. Hopefully things will pickup when his '44/'45 game ends soon.

BBfanboy -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (7/28/2016 5:38:04 PM)
He has also been falling behind because he had to get a new laptop and get his games to work on it. He may be wanting to iron out all the kinks playing the other game before doing too much with Jocke's PBEM.

tiemanjw -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (7/28/2016 10:28:51 PM)
He told me earlier this week he was getting slammed (i assume at work). I don't think he is intentionally dragging his feet here, but he just has other stuff going on. I just got a turn back I sent him on Tuesday. And sheesh, I'm killing him as quickly as I can. 3:1 is a real bear. Only about a month left until 2:1 kicks in.[:)]

JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (7/29/2016 6:16:40 AM)
Airlosses _____________________________________________________________________________ Finally got the turn. Another fantastic day in the air. Although 2 P47s where lost they shot down 47 planes! [sm=00000028.gif] My list of aces is growing fast! [&o] [image]local://upfiles/32406/C9EDEFD0A8C04C2A82C6CD3B0E648C10.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (7/29/2016 6:21:38 AM)
Pencil _____________________________________________________________________________ Both objectives secured. Low on supply at Little Andaman though so I can´t fly CAP from there until I land more. Port Blairs air field is absolutely wrecked and won´t support any planes for a couple of days. So I have decided to pull back all forces for now. CVs need to replenish planes and SCTF need to reload ammo. We will return shortly with more supply, BFs and Aux ships as well as proper naval search. [image]local://upfiles/32406/0B650F64F90540AFA7815F6C5DC1DDB3.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (7/29/2016 6:30:03 AM)
LA/WC _____________________________________________________________________________ The troops took a bit of a hit in FAT/DIS and will rest for a day. This will also allow the reinforcements to arrive. Doesn´t look like Jeff is intending to leave anytime soon. A huge armada of ships have left the WC for PH. Tomorrow P38s will sweep together with some P39s/P40Es. The day after that I should have 2 Corsair squadrons ready together with most P40ks. Rince and repeat...Jeff has taken "impossible" losses in the air the last 5-6 days. I know its often futile to hope for Japanese pools to run out but he has lost 343 planes during the last 6 days. About 2/3rd of that fighters. [image]local://upfiles/32406/ADEA8ED09B83473980A9868F74C02398.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (7/29/2016 6:39:53 AM)
Paperclip _____________________________________________________________________________ First allied forces land in the Solomons! [&o] A small force was dropped off at Kirakira. No Japanese auto bombardment despite the Guards Mixed Brigade there. No supply? Or have they withered away? P38s provide cover from Ndeni shooting down a large number of Betties. Good work considering the distance. Many got through though but I´m only using xAKLs and DDs for cover. I messed up here though and it was supposed to be a landing at Rennel Island at the same time...but I ran out of fuel. [:o] Forgot to turn off refueling for a CA TF and it drained the fuel at Luganville. Will be about a week before I rectify that. [image]local://upfiles/32406/DCDC671172064A0EBA4C0F7D2A347BE8.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (7/29/2016 7:57:52 AM)
Auto Victory _____________________________________________________________________________ The last few days have been very kind to the allies. The VP situation has certainly taken a turn for the better thanks to lots of Japanese plane and ship losses. But we are also gaining VPs from Japanese LCU losses and despite huge losses taken from Japanese bombardments at Chungking we are keeping up. Overall the VP ratio has not been this good since early 42. Hopefully we will drop down under 3:1 shortly. The window for Japanese AV is now gone I think. He is 12500 short at the moment and I don´t see how Jeff can find that somewhere. [image]local://upfiles/32406/C7BEDAB4B7BB427BBF26FDA24B240F6A.jpg[/image]

Rio Bravo -> RE: Invasion West Coast! (7/29/2016 8:41:55 AM)
Joc- clapping hands and motioning out the dancing girls Regarding Auto Victory, great job putting the Allies in a position to fight the war to the bitter end. Best Regards, -Terry

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