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Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (11/22/2015 2:36:17 PM)
Very good discussion.[&o] If you are going to change Percival you really need to consider changing the larger unit commanders under him too. Even more PP.[&:] Anecdotal evidence...I remember seeing a Bullwinkle58 game where he changed out the commander in this theater and did very well, he was playing against one-eyedjacks. Nothing up my sleeve....[&o] But he aggressively reinforced Singers with supply, I recall he got supply convoys in as late as April of 42. To me the question of changing Percival depends upon the game and what you are going to try and accomplish. If you are just swapping Percival, then I doubt it is worth it. But changing Percival as part of a larger, coordinated strategy then it could be like magic!

PaxMondo -> RE: Manila Falls (11/22/2015 3:06:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe To me the question of changing Percival depends upon the game and what you are going to try and accomplish. If you are just swapping Percival, then I doubt it is worth it. But changing Percival as part of a larger, coordinated strategy then it could be like magic! +1

ny59giants -> RE: Manila Falls (11/22/2015 3:32:59 PM)
I think the decision to change leaders would depend on how aggressive the Japanese player is. If you are facing a day two or three landing at Mersing, then probably not as you will not get enough troops into Singapore to hold for any length of time. If you face a more conventional attack down the peninsula and the Allies are able to get most of the two Indian divisions back intact. Then, it makes sense to pay all those PPs to get better leaders.

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Manila Falls (11/22/2015 5:37:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Very good discussion.[&o] If you are going to change Percival you really need to consider changing the larger unit commanders under him too. Even more PP.[&:] Anecdotal evidence...I remember seeing a Bullwinkle58 game where he changed out the commander in this theater and did very well, he was playing against one-eyedjacks. Nothing up my sleeve....[&o] But he aggressively reinforced Singers with supply, I recall he got supply convoys in as late as April of 42. To me the question of changing Percival depends upon the game and what you are going to try and accomplish. If you are just swapping Percival, then I doubt it is worth it. But changing Percival as part of a larger, coordinated strategy then it could be like magic! In that game changing P. out seemed to help, yes. I subbed in a CO with high Admin and it seemed--seemed, mind you--to get slightly elevated replacement rates. That part of the game has a lot of AAR text describing it. Note though it was a stock game where Pbang made a lot of excess supply from the refineries.

Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (11/22/2015 7:03:20 PM)
From Bullwinkle58's AAR: March 9, 1942:1) Another epic struggle at Singers, keying on two stiff Aussie infantry units as well as superior leadership bought over months with precious PPs. I am even more convinced that this arena has been, outside of Japan's own moves of course, driven by the twin factors of the Allies' being permitted to build to Forts 4 initially, and replacement of key COs with high Admin-rated leaders who have expertly drawn in replacements during the lulls in the fighting and restored disabled squads. The 150 spent to sack Perceval was money well spent. Going back and looking at this AAR, is very informative and time well spent. Alfred chimes in a lot, as do many excellent players.

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Manila Falls (11/22/2015 7:41:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe From Bullwinkle58's AAR: March 9, 1942:1) Another epic struggle at Singers, keying on two stiff Aussie infantry units as well as superior leadership bought over months with precious PPs. I am even more convinced that this arena has been, outside of Japan's own moves of course, driven by the twin factors of the Allies' being permitted to build to Forts 4 initially, and replacement of key COs with high Admin-rated leaders who have expertly drawn in replacements during the lulls in the fighting and restored disabled squads. The 150 spent to sack Perceval was money well spent. Going back and looking at this AAR, is very informative and time well spent. Alfred chimes in a lot, as do many excellent players. Well, time can be a mellowing factor. [:)] I think I had time to replace the LCU COs in pretty much all the infantry units at least. The replacements might have been me looking for a silver lining. I'm pretty sure there was an uptick with good Admin scores, but I doubt determinative. The supply getting in was the key.

Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (11/22/2015 9:55:55 PM)
End of June 1942 A little bit of deception here at Prince Rupert. Yesterday, I bombarded with the Hei. No planes, but another bombardment group, the Ise was spotted on approach. And the Allies, bit, they relocated fighters and bombers here and the Ise gave a good bombardment. Meanwhile we targeted some of the growing fighter planes on runways in the North Pacific and did well. [image]local://upfiles/44178/0458794A1394426EA8C7C1C9CBDF6436.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (11/22/2015 9:57:32 PM)
Good results... [image]local://upfiles/44178/FD1286A5DB4B48B4B30433B54812E49D.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (11/23/2015 3:17:30 AM)
Got more supply into India...so we are resuming our great distraction here. Lots of mobile warfare here, and the Allies have the numbers if not the quality. Japanese air bases are building up, and look to deliver some nasty blows this turn. I am debating about pulling off the air landing to the far west and threaten the rail lines to Calcutta. Not yet, but I am in position to do it any day now. My naval strength here is all destroyers now....heavy ships are at Moulmien. I even have two carriers present.[X(] In a few more days the Oscar IIa will be arriving along with Tojo IIa. Kind of exciting cat and mouse here, and I need to be careful and not let Jocke steal a march on me. [image]local://upfiles/44178/2AF54D5522704D35B9DAF47E290F3C61.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (11/23/2015 3:33:56 AM)
First blush at the West Coast planning. I have identified 11 Divisions to attack with. Some are free now; others will be free in a week; others in about two months. The engineering and aviation support will be a struggle. I have currently 9 AKVs and I was thinking of primarily transporting in all fighter squadrons. The goal is to sack and burn San Diego and then pretty much leave. I need to calculate out shipping...I figure it will take almost 100% of Japanese shipping to pull this off. In fact, this is my next task -- to examine my shipping capacity. [image]local://upfiles/44178/89E138AF7163428097513F7E0AC9EBC6.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (11/23/2015 3:39:38 AM)
I am not sure how it works on the Allied side of things, but here is a list of CVE that spawn at San Diego. If this were Japan, they would be destroyed and VP awarded for their destruction. Not to mention the destruction of all the Plane factories. What a delicious target.[;)] [image]local://upfiles/44178/2AF9ED79C3D24B9DBAF31125586117F5.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (11/23/2015 3:41:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe First blush at the West Coast planning. I have identified 11 Divisions to attack with. Some are free now; others will be free in a week; others in about two months. The engineering and aviation support will be a struggle. I have currently 9 AKVs and I was thinking of primarily transporting in all fighter squadrons. The goal is to sack and burn San Diego and then pretty much leave. I need to calculate out shipping...I figure it will take almost 100% of Japanese shipping to pull this off. In fact, this is my next task -- to examine my shipping capacity. [image]local://upfiles/44178/89E138AF7163428097513F7E0AC9EBC6.jpg[/image] Debating about west of LA landings...

PaxMondo -> RE: Manila Falls (11/23/2015 4:13:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe I am not sure how it works on the Allied side of things, but here is a list of CVE that spawn at San Diego. Pretty sure that won't happen as allies have no production per se .... but I have never actually tried that, so it will be interesting to say the least. [sm=00000613.gif] [sm=00000436.gif]

PaxMondo -> RE: Manila Falls (11/23/2015 4:15:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Debating about west of LA landings... And exiting from San Diego? nice enhancement ... those bases likely WON'T have CD's ... and then you can set a blocking force. Figure you will lose one ID on this trip ... your blocker ... tough to extract that last force. Not saying you won't, but I would plan that I do ...

Crackaces -> RE: Manila Falls (11/23/2015 5:12:55 AM)
I do believe That will activate all the troops that were intended for the Torch Operation? If so .. and this game continues .. I personally would find a way to get these units into India .. the extra Armor would be devastating IMHO ..

witpqs -> RE: Manila Falls (11/23/2015 5:49:53 AM)
If you land there, would you ever get to San Diego?

Crackaces -> RE: Manila Falls (11/23/2015 6:02:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs If you land there, would you ever get to San Diego? You are alluding to the fact that every restricted unit would rail to San Diego? I am also supposing that the units for the US suddenly appear where ? I have never explored this possiblity? EDIT: From the archives: (I put Pearl Harbor in RED Because I have no clue what happends if this base is occupied by JJ ... From Bullwinkle: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2620232&mpage=1&key=line%2Cdeath%2Creinforcements? Post #1 (Edited) ............................................. VMD-1 arrives at San Diego VMD-2 arrives at San Diego VMF-123 arrives at San Diego VMF-124 arrives at San Diego VMSB-143 arrives at San Diego VMSB-144 arrives at San Diego VMO-151 arrives at Eastern USA VMF-213 arrives at Pearl Harbor VMF-214 arrives at Pearl Harbor VMF-223 arrives at Pearl Harbor VMF-224 arrives at Pearl Harbor VMSB-233 arrives at Pearl Harbor VMSB-234 arrives at Pearl Harbor VMSB-242 arrives at Santa Barbara VMSB-243 arrives at Santa Barbara VMSB-244 arrives at San Diego VP-61 arrives at Alameda VP-62 arrives at Alameda VS-6D14 arrives at Alameda ZP-32 arrives at Alameda No.118 Sqn RCAF arrives at Canada No.132 Sqn RCAF arrives at Canada No.133 Sqn RCAF arrives at Nelson No.135 Sqn RCAF arrives at Canada No.147 Sqn RCAF arrives at Vancouver 9th PS arrives at Spokane 71st OG/17th OS arrives at San Francisco 7th BG/9th BS arrives at San Francisco 7th BG/11th BS arrives at Aden 7th BG/22nd BS arrives at San Francisco 43rd BG/63rd BS arrives at Eastern USA 43rd BG/64th BS arrives at Eastern USA 43rd BG/65th BS arrives at Eastern USA 38th BG/69th BS arrives at Eastern USA 38th BG/70th BS arrives at Eastern USA 38th BG/71st BS arrives at Eastern USA 90th BG/319th BS arrives at Eastern USA 90th BG/320th BS arrives at Eastern USA 90th BG/321st BS arrives at Eastern USA 307th BG/370th BS arrives at Spokane 307th BG/371st BS arrives at Spokane 307th BG/372nd BS arrives at Spokane 308th BG/373rd BS arrives at Boise 308th BG/374th BS arrives at Boise 308th BG/375th BS arrives at Boise 90th BG/400th BS arrives at Eastern USA 43rd BG/403rd BS arrives at Eastern USA 28th CG/404th BS arrives at Eastern USA 38th BG/405th BS arrives at Eastern USA 307th BG/35th RS arrives at Spokane 308th BG/36th RS arrives at Boise 341st BG/490th BS arrives at Aden 341st BG/491st BS arrives at Karachi 301st BG/32nd BS arrives at Mojave 301st BG/352nd BS arrives at Mojave 301st BG/353rd BS arrives at Mojave 301st BG/419th BS arrives at Mojave 301st BG/BS (Comp) arrives at Mojave 303rd BG/358th BS arrives at Mojave 303rd BG/359th BS arrives at Mojave 303rd BG/360th BS arrives at Mojave 303rd BG/427th BS arrives at Mojave 303rd BG/BS (Comp) arrives at Mojave 7th BG/9th BS Det arrives at San Francisco 7th BG/88th RS Det arrives at San Francisco 23rd FG/74th FS arrives at Aden 23rd FG/75th FS arrives at Aden 23rd FG/76th FS arrives at Aden 328th FG/326th FS arrives at San Francisco 328th FG/327th FS arrives at San Francisco 328th FG/329th FS arrives at San Francisco 329th FG/330th FS arrives at San Francisco 329th FG/331st FS arrives at San Francisco 18th FG/333rd FS arrives at Pearl Harbor 55th FG/338th FS arrives at Portland 329th FG/332nd FS arrives at San Francisco 374th TCG/6th TCS arrives at Eastern USA 13th TCS arrives at Eastern USA 22nd TS arrives at Melbourne 42nd TCS arrives at Anchorage 1st FeG/3rd FeS arrives at Aden 1st FeG/6th FeS arrives at Aden 1st FeG/13th FeS arrives at Aden 7th BG/Hq Sqn arrives at San Francisco 307th BG/Hq Sqn arrives at Spokane 308th BG/Hq Sqn arrives at Boise 301st BG/Hq Sqn arrives at Mojave 303rd BG/Hq sqn arrives at Mojave 23rd FG/Hq Sqn arrives at Aden 35th PG/Hq Sqn arrives at San Francisco II USA Armored Corps arrives at San Luis Obispo II USA Corps arrives at Salt Lake City 2nd Armored Division arrives at Salt Lake City 4th Motorized Division arrives at Salt Lake City 8th Motorized Division arrives at Salt Lake City 36th Infantry Division arrives at Salt Lake City Provisional Tank Brigade arrives at Mojave 2nd Army Tank Brigade arrives at Canada Invasion Mobilstn Supply Convoy arrives at Salt Lake City

Alfred -> RE: Manila Falls (11/23/2015 9:00:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe I am not sure how it works on the Allied side of things, but here is a list of CVE that spawn at San Diego. If this were Japan, they would be destroyed and VP awarded for their destruction. Not to mention the destruction of all the Plane factories. What a delicious target.[;)] [image]local://upfiles/44178/2AF9ED79C3D24B9DBAF31125586117F5.jpg[/image] Not certain if San Diego is best target for a December 1942 invasion. I would need to give more consideration to the planning first. The good news is that if you do capture an Allied port which has ships scheduled to arrive, those ships are destroyed (as in scuttled or cancelled) and you receive 50% of their standard VP. Which is one reason why other important ports with far larger than San Diego Allied ship "construction" (=ship arrival dates) need to be considered. Then again San Diego has all those aircraft factories although again other significant aircraft factory sites also exist. For example capturing Seattle really does cripple the Allied 4E force structure as American 4E production is heavily dependent on onmap, not offmap, factory production. Which would Japan rather face in 1944, 4E or 2E Allied bombers. Were it not for the effect of the narrow straits, landing directly at Portland or Tacoma has a lot of merit. Partly because you could factor in friendly LBA and use of paratroops as blocking forces. There is a lot more than the above to take into account before settling on the final destination. Alfred

Alfred -> RE: Manila Falls (11/23/2015 9:04:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Crackaces ... EDIT: From the archives: (I put Pearl Harbor in RED Because I have no clue what happends if this base is occupied by JJ ... From Bullwinkle: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2620232&mpage=1&key=line%2Cdeath%2Creinforcements? Post #1 (Edited) ............................................. VMD-1 arrives at San Diego VMD-2 arrives at San Diego VMF-123 arrives at San Diego VMF-124 arrives at San Diego VMSB-143 arrives at San Diego VMSB-144 arrives at San Diego VMO-151 arrives at Eastern USA VMF-213 arrives at Pearl Harbor VMF-214 arrives at Pearl Harbor VMF-223 arrives at Pearl Harbor VMF-224 arrives at Pearl Harbor VMSB-233 arrives at Pearl Harbor VMSB-234 arrives at Pearl Harbor ... The Pearl Harbor units should arrive in Eastern USA. Alfred

Encircled -> RE: Manila Falls (11/23/2015 9:22:08 AM)
You are going to have to be prepped for it, so he's going to have a very good clue what you are going to do. Surely you have to land directly on the port itself, because he'll have units ready to react asap if you don't And its probably way too late to even attempt it...... BBBBBBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [:)]

ny59giants -> RE: Manila Falls (11/23/2015 11:04:13 AM)
Then capture of Portland, Oregon should eliminate many of the 90 plus CVEs the USA produces.

Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (11/23/2015 11:12:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Crackaces I do believe That will activate all the troops that were intended for the Torch Operation? If so .. and this game continues .. I personally would find a way to get these units into India .. the extra Armor would be devastating IMHO .. I believe only the Canadian Tank unit is not restricted. Well, the air power is quite daunting...but my understanding is that the squadrons would normally appear anyhow...just not this early.

Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (11/23/2015 11:23:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alfred There is a lot more than the above to take into account before settling on the final destination. Alfred You are of course quite correct.[:)] This is merely the first thoughts at planning...brainstorming as it were. The ports or lack thereof north of San Diego aren't helpful for my proposed attack. But there is good defensive terrain (urban and mountains) that will help shield the landings from the nasty Allied armor and San Diego is in clear terrain...

Lokasenna -> RE: Manila Falls (11/23/2015 4:07:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe First blush at the West Coast planning. I have identified 11 Divisions to attack with. Some are free now; others will be free in a week; others in about two months. The engineering and aviation support will be a struggle. I have currently 9 AKVs and I was thinking of primarily transporting in all fighter squadrons. The goal is to sack and burn San Diego and then pretty much leave. I need to calculate out shipping...I figure it will take almost 100% of Japanese shipping to pull this off. In fact, this is my next task -- to examine my shipping capacity. [image]local://upfiles/44178/89E138AF7163428097513F7E0AC9EBC6.jpg[/image] I was going to ask why land on those islands, and I still kind of am, because in stock they're Port 1(0)/AF 0(4). That's not awesome. Especially since your goal here isn't to establish air bases and then strat bomb him, but to capture the cities. On the other hand, they're probably undefended so an AF Bn would do. I would advocate for only landing at the hex just outside LA. I think that would make him think you're going all-in for LA (and its factories). I think if you land at both hexes between LA and San Diego, you make him take a generalist approach to defending, whereas if you land just outside of LA then he might concentrate the majority of his defenses there. You might also want to land west of LA as a diversion for this very purpose. Hueneme and Santa Barbara, in stock, do not have static defense units of any heft. quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe I am not sure how it works on the Allied side of things, but here is a list of CVE that spawn at San Diego. If this were Japan, they would be destroyed and VP awarded for their destruction. Not to mention the destruction of all the Plane factories. What a delicious target.[;)] [image]local://upfiles/44178/2AF9ED79C3D24B9DBAF31125586117F5.jpg[/image] Oh, I hadn't thought about that. Best of luck... and as Alfred says, maybe trying for Portland (ALL those CVEs, TKs, xAKs...) or Seattle. I would actually rate Portland as maybe the single most important arrival point for ships. CVs and first rate combat ships arrive all over, but almost every single CVE for the USN arrives at Portland. If you take it out, then no Jeep Carriers. That would be absolutely devastating to his counterpunches if you do not achieve AV. I can't imagine conducting major amphibious operations in 1944-5 without substantial numbers of CVEs. That's an extremely scary list of emergency reinforcements. Are any of those divisions White Restricted?

Olorin -> RE: Manila Falls (11/23/2015 5:19:00 PM)
My 2 cents. I was planning to bring every available para unit, I don't know if Lowpe plans to do that. Cutting the rail connection around LA is crucial. Paras plus a minor divisional size invasion north of LA can seriously delay Allied countermeassures. If you really want to go nuts, you can also cut the rail connection from the eastern USA. I don't have the map in front of me right now, but I think those islands off the coast of San Diego can be used for long range air drops. It's unlikely that those rear bases are defended by anything more than base forces. Having one or two 'airmobile' light brigades as a follow up might also be worthwhile. Also... if the invasion is set for late December, it's worthwhile to consider going all in, not just with 11 but with ~20 divisions. Then you can enter LA and defend in heavy urban and mountain terrain, while the bulk of your forces mop up SD. And if your holding operations N and NE of LA have succeeded you might also have time for a coup de main at LA. It will be very interesting to see how you approach this. [sm=00000613.gif]

Lokasenna -> RE: Manila Falls (11/23/2015 7:26:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Olorin My 2 cents. I was planning to bring every available para unit, I don't know if Lowpe plans to do that. Cutting the rail connection around LA is crucial. Paras plus a minor divisional size invasion north of LA can seriously delay Allied countermeassures. If you really want to go nuts, you can also cut the rail connection from the eastern USA. I don't have the map in front of me right now, but I think those islands off the coast of San Diego can be used for long range air drops. It's unlikely that those rear bases are defended by anything more than base forces. Having one or two 'airmobile' light brigades as a follow up might also be worthwhile. Also... if the invasion is set for late December, it's worthwhile to consider going all in, not just with 11 but with ~20 divisions. Then you can enter LA and defend in heavy urban and mountain terrain, while the bulk of your forces mop up SD. And if your holding operations N and NE of LA have succeeded you might also have time for a coup de main at LA. It will be very interesting to see how you approach this. [sm=00000613.gif] The trouble with taking the offshore islands first for later paradrops to cut the rail is that the time needed to get a working AF for the transports would clue him in to the need to defend the area. Basically, by the time you're able to cut the rails deeper inland it won't matter much, if at all. Landing outside of LA should cut the rail to San Diego entirely. I think this is a must-land hex if you're going for San Diego. I think you should also land at Port Hueneme or Santa Barbara to cut the most direct rail line to LA, but there are is the other line that comes from inland instead of the coast. You may not be able to take those hexes, so I don't think you can rely on the idea that LA can be cut off completely from rail.

Capt. Harlock -> RE: Manila Falls (11/23/2015 7:26:50 PM)
quote: Also... if the invasion is set for late December, it's worthwhile to consider going all in, not just with 11 but with ~20 divisions. Then you can enter LA and defend in heavy urban and mountain terrain, while the bulk of your forces mop up SD. And if your holding operations N and NE of LA have succeeded you might also have time for a coup de main at LA. It's an impressive idea -- but does Japan have the shipping capacity? It sounds like seven or eight divisions might be lost for not much additional damage.

witpqs -> RE: Manila Falls (11/23/2015 7:52:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Crackaces quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs If you land there, would you ever get to San Diego? You are alluding to the fact that every restricted unit would rail to San Diego? I am also supposing that the units for the US suddenly appear where ? I have never explored this possiblity? He will react somehow, and how will partly depend on what is landed. A feint will probably not get him to, say, abandon San Francisco and leave it for the taking. But a big landing will bring a big response and those rail lines will make it easier for him to put things in your way.

Olorin -> RE: Manila Falls (11/23/2015 8:14:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna quote: ORIGINAL: Olorin My 2 cents. I was planning to bring every available para unit, I don't know if Lowpe plans to do that. Cutting the rail connection around LA is crucial. Paras plus a minor divisional size invasion north of LA can seriously delay Allied countermeassures. If you really want to go nuts, you can also cut the rail connection from the eastern USA. I don't have the map in front of me right now, but I think those islands off the coast of San Diego can be used for long range air drops. It's unlikely that those rear bases are defended by anything more than base forces. Having one or two 'airmobile' light brigades as a follow up might also be worthwhile. Also... if the invasion is set for late December, it's worthwhile to consider going all in, not just with 11 but with ~20 divisions. Then you can enter LA and defend in heavy urban and mountain terrain, while the bulk of your forces mop up SD. And if your holding operations N and NE of LA have succeeded you might also have time for a coup de main at LA. It will be very interesting to see how you approach this. [sm=00000613.gif] The trouble with taking the offshore islands first for later paradrops to cut the rail is that the time needed to get a working AF for the transports would clue him in to the need to defend the area. Basically, by the time you're able to cut the rails deeper inland it won't matter much, if at all. Landing outside of LA should cut the rail to San Diego entirely. I think this is a must-land hex if you're going for San Diego. I think you should also land at Port Hueneme or Santa Barbara to cut the most direct rail line to LA, but there are is the other line that comes from inland instead of the coast. You may not be able to take those hexes, so I don't think you can rely on the idea that LA can be cut off completely from rail. I was having Emily in mind, not only the transports but the patrol planes as well. No need for an airfield in this case. quote: ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock quote: Also... if the invasion is set for late December, it's worthwhile to consider going all in, not just with 11 but with ~20 divisions. Then you can enter LA and defend in heavy urban and mountain terrain, while the bulk of your forces mop up SD. And if your holding operations N and NE of LA have succeeded you might also have time for a coup de main at LA. It's an impressive idea -- but does Japan have the shipping capacity? It sounds like seven or eight divisions might be lost for not much additional damage. I haven't done the math, but my impression is that there are enough ships to do it, if enough xAKs are converted to troop transports.

Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (11/23/2015 8:19:45 PM)
Getting roadblocks on the rail roads is very important, and the reason for taking the islands. They don't have to take the base, although that would be nice, but they do need to stop rail traffic thru the hex. San Diego can be isolated from getting rail reinforcements. [image]local://upfiles/44178/0D0AA8166CE84E6EBCEC86E345E771AB.jpg[/image]

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