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Mudmag99 -> East Coast Question (10/1/2015 2:47:32 AM)

Sorry, another newb question. How do i get my troops from the East Coast to the West? I tried to send Transports from San Diego but it won't let me. Obviously they don't walk. Or do they?[:D]



kaleun -> RE: East Coast Question (10/1/2015 3:00:21 AM)

You could load them up in transports and send them to Panama -> Balboa-> San Francisco or port of your choosing.
Alternatively you can strat move them via the railroads to SFCO or SDiego which is easier.



dr.hal -> RE: East Coast Question (10/1/2015 3:09:41 AM)

You can also send them by rail. Put them into strategic transport mode and then click on the destination arrow then go to San Diego and wallah... they will move there.... much quicker than boats!



wdolson -> RE: East Coast Question (10/1/2015 3:15:21 AM)

Rail in North America is far faster than by ship.

Bill



HansBolter -> RE: East Coast Question (10/1/2015 10:55:51 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kaleun

You could load them up in transports and send them to Panama -> Balboa-> San Francisco or port of your choosing.
Alternatively you can strat move them via the railroads to SFCO or SDiego which is easier.


Neither land nor air units need transport ships to go from the East Coast to any other linked off map location.

Simply put LCUs in strat mode and choose the linked off map box you want to transfer them to.
You will get a pop up interface telling you the distance being traveled and asked for confirmation that you want to execute the move.
The unit will be pulled off map and put into the reinforcement queue for arrival at the chosen location.

The same is true for air units. Choose transfer to new base and choose a linked off map base.

The use of off map shipping for these transfers is abstracted.

Experimentation is THE best way to learn how things do and do not work.

Click on every piece of yellow txt in every interface to see what options it opens up is a good way to learn a lot.



Trugrit -> RE: East Coast Question (10/1/2015 11:01:57 AM)

In strategic mode an -R will show up by the base to indicate transport by rail.

You can also send air groups and troops to far east using strategic mode
Provided the command structure is correct. Look for the base to show up on the transfer
screen. In this case Eastern USA to Cape Town. Notice the -s by the base.


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geofflambert -> RE: East Coast Question (10/1/2015 11:17:37 AM)

Let me make a different point. What units are involved is not specified, just keep in mind the following. Your British friends in the Indian Ocean theatre need your help. Without question you can spare some engineers. Aviation engineers in particular but other types would be welcome. Fighter squadrons also, they desperately need those. Don't stop there, send some infantry divisions. Just don't send Marines, keep them in the Pacific. If you don't send that stuff they will be cooling their heels in Sydney or somewhere because you simply have too many of all those to deploy them in the Pacific. Go on the offensive in Burma and beyond, pay no attention to that MacArthur fellow, he's always drinking those Arctic Blasts or whatever DQ calls them and he's got brain freeze.



crsutton -> RE: East Coast Question (10/1/2015 2:10:08 PM)

The great Lizard speaks the truth here. I start shipping air units, base forces and construction units to India on day one of the war.



Leandros -> RE: East Coast Question (10/1/2015 2:23:00 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Let me make a different point. What units are involved is not specified, just keep in mind the following. Your British friends in the Indian Ocean theatre need your help. Without question you can spare some engineers. Aviation engineers in particular but other types would be welcome. Fighter squadrons also, they desperately need those. Don't stop there, send some infantry divisions. Just don't send Marines, keep them in the Pacific. If you don't send that stuff they will be cooling their heels in Sydney or somewhere because you simply have too many of all those to deploy them in the Pacific. Go on the offensive in Burma and beyond, pay no attention to that MacArthur fellow, he's always drinking those Arctic Blasts or whatever DQ calls them and he's got brain freeze.


"Ikke gjör som mora di' sier!" - translated: "...don't do what your mother tells you to do..."..Forget about the British, they're a self-centered, egoistic lot that only cares about their own narrow goals.
Which is hanging on to Singapore - a dead-meat (agreed upon by every Allied commander before the Japanese invasion - except some of the British). Give it all to dug-out Doug he's got plenty of use for it....

He's the one with a vision...

Stop the Japs dead in their tracks - they have over-reached themselves...[:-]



bush -> RE: East Coast Question (10/1/2015 4:11:57 PM)

As a way to help ¨balance¨play against the Japanese AI I always manually ship units (land or air) from the East Coast to Cape Town (including escorts). It is a way to apply the brakes a bit. I do use rail within North America, however.



geofflambert -> RE: East Coast Question (10/1/2015 4:32:32 PM)

The more troops you actually engage the Japanese with the more spread out he gets. The Marines could almost do that island hopping stuff on their lonesome, with some Aussies.

By the way I'm an egoistic self-centered reptile with narrow goals.



crsutton -> RE: East Coast Question (10/1/2015 5:05:59 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

The more troops you actually engage the Japanese with the more spread out he gets. The Marines could almost do that island hopping stuff on their lonesome, with some Aussies.

By the way I'm an egoistic self-centered reptile with narrow goals.



Yep, the other issue is that the combat is violent but short on an Island. Army units need to gain experience. Prolonged combat in India builds this. My Indian army in the last campaign were some of my best troops by the end of the war.



AW1Steve -> RE: East Coast Question (10/1/2015 5:13:42 PM)

I like to build up a large number of "green troops" in one place , then "blood" them against a much smaller force. That way their losses are minimum, they get extensive experience , before you send them off to fight on their own. I do the same with squadrons , constantly recycling through "nugget" pilots to gain rapid experience.

If you are sending a an air unit to the CBI via the "backdoor route", you might keep them training on route. That way you can send a slightly lesser trained unit out , and it will equal out by the time it arrives.

**** You know after reading this I wondered something...Is this gamey?" [&:][:(]



Mudmag99 -> RE: East Coast Question (10/1/2015 6:32:24 PM)

Wow guys, thanks for all the advice!!!!



Amoral -> RE: East Coast Question (10/1/2015 6:36:16 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Leandros


quote:

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Let me make a different point. What units are involved is not specified, just keep in mind the following. Your British friends in the Indian Ocean theatre need your help. Without question you can spare some engineers. Aviation engineers in particular but other types would be welcome. Fighter squadrons also, they desperately need those. Don't stop there, send some infantry divisions. Just don't send Marines, keep them in the Pacific. If you don't send that stuff they will be cooling their heels in Sydney or somewhere because you simply have too many of all those to deploy them in the Pacific. Go on the offensive in Burma and beyond, pay no attention to that MacArthur fellow, he's always drinking those Arctic Blasts or whatever DQ calls them and he's got brain freeze.


"Ikke gjör som mora di' sier!" - translated: "...don't do what your mother tells you to do..."..Forget about the British, they're a self-centered, egoistic lot that only cares about their own narrow goals.
Which is hanging on to Singapore - a dead-meat (agreed upon by every Allied commander before the Japanese invasion - except some of the British). Give it all to dug-out Doug he's got plenty of use for it....

He's the one with a vision...

Stop the Japs dead in their tracks - they have over-reached themselves...[:-]



While this may have worked in real life, in the game it would be impossible to stop an evenly skilled opponent from taking the Phillipines. Anything you send there will be destroyed long before you get any value out of it.

If you are determined to fight forward, Singapore makes a marginally better festung than Manilla. But you would be better served putting them somewhere where they can retreat if japan brings the whole 9 yards. India/Burma or Australia are the dogmatic choices.



geofflambert -> RE: East Coast Question (10/1/2015 7:46:03 PM)

Agreed mostly, but I don't do dogmatic choices, only catmatic ones.



pontiouspilot -> RE: East Coast Question (10/1/2015 8:04:48 PM)

Welcome to a newcomer!....with the greatest of respect, may I be the 1st to lobby you for a name change!

I respectfully disagree re abandoning Singapore. It depends on what opponent is up to. It can be held and at very least make itself a bloody speedbump for the Japanese. To do so get everybody back to the island ASAP and get supplies in there while you can. Singapore is much easier to get supplies to than Manila. Remember that if they are storming Singapore they are not storming somewhere else. They just don't have enough in depth offence to be everywhere. The Japanese offence is powerful but brittle.



AW1Steve -> RE: East Coast Question (10/1/2015 8:06:35 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Amoral

quote:

ORIGINAL: Leandros


quote:

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Let me make a different point. What units are involved is not specified, just keep in mind the following. Your British friends in the Indian Ocean theatre need your help. Without question you can spare some engineers. Aviation engineers in particular but other types would be welcome. Fighter squadrons also, they desperately need those. Don't stop there, send some infantry divisions. Just don't send Marines, keep them in the Pacific. If you don't send that stuff they will be cooling their heels in Sydney or somewhere because you simply have too many of all those to deploy them in the Pacific. Go on the offensive in Burma and beyond, pay no attention to that MacArthur fellow, he's always drinking those Arctic Blasts or whatever DQ calls them and he's got brain freeze.


"Ikke gjör som mora di' sier!" - translated: "...don't do what your mother tells you to do..."..Forget about the British, they're a self-centered, egoistic lot that only cares about their own narrow goals.
Which is hanging on to Singapore - a dead-meat (agreed upon by every Allied commander before the Japanese invasion - except some of the British). Give it all to dug-out Doug he's got plenty of use for it....

He's the one with a vision...

Stop the Japs dead in their tracks - they have over-reached themselves...[:-]



While this may have worked in real life, in the game it would be impossible to stop an evenly skilled opponent from taking the Phillipines. Anything you send there will be destroyed long before you get any value out of it.

If you are determined to fight forward, Singapore makes a marginally better festung than Manilla. But you would be better served putting them somewhere where they can retreat if japan brings the whole 9 yards. India/Burma or Australia are the dogmatic choices.




Maybe if Mac had met them on the beaches , then withdrew slowly across the island to prepared lines , supplied and fortified, all the way back to Bataan (like the plan called for). But Mac couldn't follow a plan that wasn't his own , and besides , he convinced everybody that he could destroy the Japanese with the B-17's. Heck , they wouldn't even DARE to attack the islands. Yeah. And how did that work out? [8|][:(]



AW1Steve -> RE: East Coast Question (10/1/2015 8:11:39 PM)

When you come right down to it, the best way to defeat the Japanese is pretty much the way it was done. Attack them steadily on ALL fronts , as many fronts as you can. Japan has very little , and what it has needs to be spread pretty thin. And the more territory they seize , the thinner everything gets. Broad fronts , steady pressure. No master strokes , except to force them to react and send reinforcements there , whereas you hit them somewhere else. Make the Japanese play "whack a mole". He who defends all, defends nothing. [:)]



geofflambert -> RE: East Coast Question (10/1/2015 8:15:39 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: pontiouspilot

Welcome to a newcomer!....with the greatest of respect, may I be the 1st to lobby you for a name change!


Hey he's already posted 26 times, he's a battle hardened veteran! [:D] Although, look at AW1Steve. I try to hog the forum every day but I can't touch him! [:(][:(]



AW1Steve -> RE: East Coast Question (10/1/2015 8:17:24 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: geofflambert


quote:

ORIGINAL: pontiouspilot

Welcome to a newcomer!....with the greatest of respect, may I be the 1st to lobby you for a name change!


Hey he's already posted 26 times, he's a battle hardened veteran! [:D] Although, look at AW1Steve. I try to hog the forum every day but I can't touch him! [:(][:(]



Chickenboy and USS America used to have far less posts than I. Just keep writing your brand of banal tripe and you'll easily over take me , just like they did. [:D][:D][:D]



geofflambert -> RE: East Coast Question (10/1/2015 8:22:09 PM)

He's lived in more states than I have too, all I have is WVA, Penn, IL and MO; and yes you can post all your WVA and MO jokes here, I'm sure they're entirely appropriate. When I was a teenager I went to a dentist and after he looked at my fillings he asked where I was born. I told him WVA and he nodded like he was thinking "that explains that". [:D]



geofflambert -> RE: East Coast Question (10/1/2015 8:24:56 PM)

For you Brits, being born in West Virginia would be like being born in Scotland. For you Scots, it would be like being born in England.



rustysi -> RE: East Coast Question (10/1/2015 11:27:28 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

I like to build up a large number of "green troops" in one place , then "blood" them against a much smaller force. That way their losses are minimum, they get extensive experience , before you send them off to fight on their own. I do the same with squadrons , constantly recycling through "nugget" pilots to gain rapid experience.

If you are sending a an air unit to the CBI via the "backdoor route", you might keep them training on route. That way you can send a slightly lesser trained unit out , and it will equal out by the time it arrives.

**** You know after reading this I wondered something...Is this gamey?"/b] [&:][:(]


IMHO, no.



AW1Steve -> RE: East Coast Question (10/2/2015 1:22:05 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: rustysi


quote:

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

I like to build up a large number of "green troops" in one place , then "blood" them against a much smaller force. That way their losses are minimum, they get extensive experience , before you send them off to fight on their own. I do the same with squadrons , constantly recycling through "nugget" pilots to gain rapid experience.

If you are sending a an air unit to the CBI via the "backdoor route", you might keep them training on route. That way you can send a slightly lesser trained unit out , and it will equal out by the time it arrives.

**** You know after reading this I wondered something...Is this gamey?"/b] [&:][:(]


IMHO, no.



Thanks , after a few of the recent threads on "gamey" I'm starting to think just putting up any resistance is "gamey". [8|][X(][:'(][:D]



Mudmag99 -> RE: East Coast Question (10/2/2015 3:10:12 PM)

Another quick question if I may.

Why does a ship in a Port (Like PH) with plenty of resources have an endurance of 0? The ships aren't even damaged.

Thanks again.

Ps. Maggot99 comes from my old Softball team (The Mud Maggots) and my number 99. We played together for over 20 years and still all hang out together with our spouses and kids... We're pretty lucky that way.



crsutton -> RE: East Coast Question (10/2/2015 3:16:35 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

I like to build up a large number of "green troops" in one place , then "blood" them against a much smaller force. That way their losses are minimum, they get extensive experience , before you send them off to fight on their own. I do the same with squadrons , constantly recycling through "nugget" pilots to gain rapid experience.

If you are sending a an air unit to the CBI via the "backdoor route", you might keep them training on route. That way you can send a slightly lesser trained unit out , and it will equal out by the time it arrives.

**** You know after reading this I wondered something...Is this gamey?" [&:][:(]


Yes, sometimes I just send skeleton units out to India with a look to operations down the road. The can train up there as well as anywhere. And if there is not an invasion of India the rush to fill them out is not great and you can use the available aircraft elsewhere. But they are there, just in case...



crsutton -> RE: East Coast Question (10/2/2015 3:20:37 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve


quote:

ORIGINAL: Amoral

quote:

ORIGINAL: Leandros


quote:

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Let me make a different point. What units are involved is not specified, just keep in mind the following. Your British friends in the Indian Ocean theatre need your help. Without question you can spare some engineers. Aviation engineers in particular but other types would be welcome. Fighter squadrons also, they desperately need those. Don't stop there, send some infantry divisions. Just don't send Marines, keep them in the Pacific. If you don't send that stuff they will be cooling their heels in Sydney or somewhere because you simply have too many of all those to deploy them in the Pacific. Go on the offensive in Burma and beyond, pay no attention to that MacArthur fellow, he's always drinking those Arctic Blasts or whatever DQ calls them and he's got brain freeze.


"Ikke gjör som mora di' sier!" - translated: "...don't do what your mother tells you to do..."..Forget about the British, they're a self-centered, egoistic lot that only cares about their own narrow goals.
Which is hanging on to Singapore - a dead-meat (agreed upon by every Allied commander before the Japanese invasion - except some of the British). Give it all to dug-out Doug he's got plenty of use for it....

He's the one with a vision...

Stop the Japs dead in their tracks - they have over-reached themselves...[:-]



While this may have worked in real life, in the game it would be impossible to stop an evenly skilled opponent from taking the Phillipines. Anything you send there will be destroyed long before you get any value out of it.

If you are determined to fight forward, Singapore makes a marginally better festung than Manilla. But you would be better served putting them somewhere where they can retreat if japan brings the whole 9 yards. India/Burma or Australia are the dogmatic choices.




Maybe if Mac had met them on the beaches , then withdrew slowly across the island to prepared lines , supplied and fortified, all the way back to Bataan (like the plan called for). But Mac couldn't follow a plan that wasn't his own , and besides , he convinced everybody that he could destroy the Japanese with the B-17's. Heck , they wouldn't even DARE to attack the islands. Yeah. And how did that work out? [8|][:(]



Well the Bataan thing is criticized by many and may not have been the wisest thing but in MacArthur's defense the pre-war plan was for the PI to hold and and the Navy to come to the rescue after fighting the decisive battle with the enemy. But air power changed that plan on day one and Mac did not seem to get the memo....



dr.hal -> RE: East Coast Question (10/2/2015 3:24:16 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Maggot99

Another quick question if I may.

Why does a ship in a Port (Like PH) with plenty of resources have an endurance of 0? The ships aren't even damaged.

Thanks again.


Is it out of fuel?



Mudmag99 -> RE: East Coast Question (10/2/2015 4:20:00 PM)

Yes... But there is plenty of fuel in the depot.




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