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herbieh -> failure (5/24/2003 9:22:22 AM)

The shock attack faied. Over 160 assualt points to zip, but only 1to 1 in men.


Buggar!

how fortunes change in this game
His C-47s continue to fly in, get intercepted, and fast TFs are getting in, and Im bogged down

38 division is loading, it looks like PM operation round 2, exactly what he wants, but what can I do, Ive invested so much into PM honour says I must capture it
Now I understand how Stalingrad happened

Anyway, this game continues to hammer home some real truths about warfare, and by doing that proves how good it is.

Wobbly is good, but I aint finished yet.



herbieh -> Bummer (5/25/2003 9:46:36 AM)

Our 1st PM attack has failed.
Stanby for a second attempt.
38th division will capture PM, and combined fleet will send all available ships to the area.
The mighty Yamato will use her guns to affect, and our CVs will protect her, and smash the enemy.
This annoying problem must be crushed!

Details of forces involved will be posted tomorrow, real life intrudes
Attack!!!!!!



herbieh -> the plan Mk2 (5/25/2003 1:44:23 PM)

Well here is the plan for PM , round 2

TF57, 3cv,1cvl,2cs, will cover
TF58, BB mutsu will be the 1st bombardment group
TF 59 BB yamato will form the core of the 2nd bombardment group
a third will be formed out of the AP escorts as occasion permits
Some 5 invasion fleets have sailed. 3 regiments ,2 from 38th division, 1 from 2nd division are PM bound, plus tanks
1 regiment from 38th division is headed for Salamanua bay.
1 regiment from yazawa detachment is headed to lea.

As soon as wobbly sees the CVs im guessing he will try to hit somewhere else, CV Hiryu, and bait, are lurking...........:D

I hope this will be sufficient troops.
This all means I think that wobbly has greatly increased his chances of winning, as a plunge for auto victory is in the bin now, I can hope though to catch a few surface vessels with my Cvs.

Time will tell:p



herbieh -> another day (5/26/2003 3:28:34 PM)

Well absolutely no action today.
BB Hiei arrives, and forms nucleus of another BB group, and is dispatched south.
of interest a convoy is sighted near Wunpunko?,, is it a sneak attack on rennel island?
If so, CV Hiryu is in perfect position...........

I notice PM has been emptied of AC.
Tomorrow some action should begin.



herbieh -> Good stuff (5/27/2003 7:48:12 PM)

A bloody nose for wobbly, CV Hiryu hammers a convoy of Wunpunko(or whatever),5 APs/aks hit, and a SC sunk

In return I lose yet another AP to subs on the death run from PM.
Nevertheless, all else goes well.

A mad notion fills my mind, all these ships and men headed towards NG, what if they were sent to say - cairns?
That would leave PM isolated for sure.
Soon I will have 6 cv, 1cvl,5BB, and 2 divisions in area.
I ask for advise, its a risky move, but......:)



Luskan -> (5/27/2003 8:58:38 PM)

You'll get spanked by hundreds of level bombers and nothing to do but cry about it afterwards.

Grind PM down - and then get some troops out to Irau to occupy it (not to build it). Mayeb bulid a fort, some supplies and a few garrison troops. Will be your best opportunity to keep short range allied planes out of reach.



AmiralLaurent -> Cairns... (5/27/2003 9:13:27 PM)

Playing with the same idea now in another PBEM. I let my opponent send troops to NG, raiding his FT after the first unloading day. He now has more than 2 divisions in NG (in PM, GG and even Buna) in June 1942.

So the plan is to take part of Australia to cut them of supplies and let them die of disease/hunger.

But I want to sink or disable the US CV fleet before. I would go to Australia only if I have a clear superiority in CV.

I will send three divisions (2nd, 38th and some other troops). I had not yet attacked PM.

Then, the target : Townsville and Charter Towers is certainly the best but if Cairns and Cooktown are underdefended while TV is strongly held, I would change my target.
If Rockhampton is empty, it may well deserve a small landing to cover the flank of an operation in Townsville. Just to hold some days reinforcements coming from Brisbane by the road.



denisonh -> Re: Cairns... (5/28/2003 4:22:38 AM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by AmiralLaurent
[B]Playing with the same idea now in another PBEM. I let my opponent send troops to NG, raiding his FT after the first unloading day. He now has more than 2 divisions in NG (in PM, GG and even Buna) in June 1942.

So the plan is to take part of Australia to cut them of supplies and let them die of disease/hunger.

But I want to sink or disable the US CV fleet before. I would go to Australia only if I have a clear superiority in CV.

I will send three divisions (2nd, 38th and some other troops). I had not yet attacked PM.

Then, the target : Townsville and Charter Towers is certainly the best but if Cairns and Cooktown are underdefended while TV is strongly held, I would change my target.
If Rockhampton is empty, it may well deserve a small landing to cover the flank of an operation in Townsville. Just to hold some days reinforcements coming from Brisbane by the road. [/B][/QUOTE]

But a smart USN player will not come out and engage unless he has significant forces. And it is in his best interest to wait anyway.

And the Roackhampton piece is good in conjunction with a landing at TV, assuming it is open. If not, it is a drain from the main objective.



herbieh -> Thanks guys (5/28/2003 11:47:25 AM)

Advise appreciated
Ive been called an idiot by my base support officer, where will I get the supplies from, hard enough supplying NG ops at the moment, let alone an operation in Aust.
SO its PM or bust......again:(
Yes Irau is on the list, Im hoping having Hiryu in the area there will keep it free of enemy troops until mine arrive.
Not taking PM 1st go really has thrown the timetable out.

Im dreading the run into PM, I could probably walk there . from one sub deck to the next:eek:

Anyway, the 1st regiment to NG arrives Lea today, my CVs are covering it, the main forces are about 5 days before they get involved
PM lacks a airfield icon, this is a worry, Cooktown and cairns must be wieghed down with LBA, Im going to have to deal with it. Staff are debating the way ahead.
If I dont take PM this try Im stuffed!

Its a great game

PS Beer is good, but tastes better when you are winning.



herbieh -> Quiet day (5/28/2003 2:39:30 PM)

The date is now 11/july 42, a quiet day, some recon flights, more sub attacks, missed!, and that is it
Recon of GG persists, is a sneak raid coming?



Mike_B20 -> (5/28/2003 2:52:36 PM)

It's been funny reading this parrallel AAR.

At times both Herbieh and Wobbly have been rejoicing/despairing about the same objective.

Can I take it, can I hold it...?
Woe is me...all is lost

:D



herbieh -> We aim to please (5/29/2003 4:05:38 AM)

You should see it from our side, the temptation to read wobblies posts!. Still Im glad I havent, doesnt everyone go from elation to despair with this game in a couple of turns, or do I really need to get a life:D

This does show why PBEM is sooooooo good with this game, you never ever know what to expect, especially when newbies like myself are blundering about the place

Im hoping begginers luck will win me this war!



Mike_B20 -> (5/29/2003 2:01:51 PM)

Sure, I go through the same gamut of emotions.
That's what makes UV such a great game.



herbieh -> thunderstorms (5/29/2003 5:27:22 PM)

just like Luskin, its thunderstorms city in this game
Well, submarines everywhere from PM to GG, I counted 6 that turn, they accounted for a PC and a AP today. Drip, drip drip, the IJN bleeds:(
Im routing the main forces to PM around those reefs to the east of GG, takes longer, hopefully safer.

While they slowly arrive and gather, I still consider my options, Wobbly is I think slowly evacuating PM, I tried a probing attack today, only about 500 troops short of 2 to 1.
So, im going to wait a couple of days, then try again, if I do succeed before committing to PM again it might save a lot of casualties from his rested (very rested) LBA

My troops are landed at Lea, and advancing on Marilun?.
Cv Hiryu continues to lurk about lunga, the other CVs will announce their presence tomorrow of PM, hopefully wobbly will think Lunga is clear now.

Yes, reading back I do whine and winge a bit dont I!!!
But its a good way to get HQ to release more stuff:p



denisonh -> Re: thunderstorms (5/30/2003 2:51:55 AM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by herbieh
[B]just like Luskin, its thunderstorms city in this game
Well, submarines everywhere from PM to GG, I counted 6 that turn, they accounted for a PC and a AP today. Drip, drip drip, the IJN bleeds:(
Im routing the main forces to PM around those reefs to the east of GG, takes longer, hopefully safer.

While they slowly arrive and gather, I still consider my options, Wobbly is I think slowly evacuating PM, I tried a probing attack today, only about 500 troops short of 2 to 1.
So, im going to wait a couple of days, then try again, if I do succeed before committing to PM again it might save a lot of casualties from his rested (very rested) LBA

My troops are landed at Lea, and advancing on Marilun?.
Cv Hiryu continues to lurk about lunga, the other CVs will announce their presence tomorrow of PM, hopefully wobbly will think Lunga is clear now.

Yes, reading back I do whine and winge a bit dont I!!!
But its a good way to get HQ to release more stuff:p [/B][/QUOTE]

Squeaky wheel gets the oil:p



herbieh -> squeky (5/30/2003 3:37:31 AM)

If they dont fall of first:D



herbieh -> subs (5/30/2003 4:50:51 PM)

DD Arunta is gutted by SS1-1 of cairns, but is also sunk.
PM shows some life, so the CV task force is ordered to hit it again.
The regiment for lea have landed safely, and are marching to Marilium? (bloody spelling and non typo fingers!)

The PM invasion force is still gathering of to the east of Gilli, gilli.
The 2nd regiment destined for Lea, has been diverted to the PM invasion.

Nothing much else happening, a few days yet.

Forgot, CV Hiryu is charging south, Im looking for shipping between Brisbane and Numea, time to stir the pot



herbieh -> being a newbie (5/31/2003 6:58:06 AM)

trouble with being a newbie i havent the grasp yet on what the real allied capabilities are at this stage, so I keep having this endless debate about striking deep now into maybe lightly garrisoned places, or just how hard will the battle ahead for PM be.
I dont want 10zillion soldiers to reload at PM when it falls if they could go elswhere
Oh the MiserY:p

Anyway a great steel juggernaught has begun to roll towards pM, a few days yet and the forces will converge.

Hiryu continues south, undetected, a massive CV strike on PM doesnt close the field at all, his SBDs there sink 2 PGs.
otherwise all is quiet.



Full Moon -> (5/31/2003 7:22:05 AM)

After taking PM I recommend you to go ahead and take Irau and Nevea. In June 1942 Allied force is pretty still weak. Using Irau and Nevea as stepping stones you may try to take Luganville later.
And don't try to take troops from PM directly. Order troops to move to Buna through Kokoda trail and take them out by ships. Also don't try to supply PM directly. Supply Buna and PM will be supplied automatically via ground.
Just my 2 cents. :)



denisonh -> (5/31/2003 7:57:58 AM)

Taking PM and the way you do it are in good part on your opponent.

1. what forces are in PM?
2. Who has the naval advantage.
3. What your opponents reaction will be.
4. Avaliability of land air support?

If the naval advantage is yours, Lae is operational and can provide fighter LRCAP and the enemy has less than 3 or less brigades, consider taking it directly.

Otherwise, a combination of Buna then PM plus a landing force will work better.

I took PM in a two part operation in one PBEM game. Landed enough to get something more than 1 to 1, isolated PM with bombardment, CV and LBA strikes until I landed a second force two weeks later.

(wasn't planned that way, but didn't have the forces available because of variable reinforcement)

The nice thing about the landing force is that if they only fight a turn or two, you can load them and move them for a follow invasion of Australia as they are still relatively "fresh"(If you have a serious CV advantage)



Luskan -> (5/31/2003 9:26:05 AM)

All too dangerous. Focus on taking PM and killing as many allied planes and troops there as you can. After that, snatching Irau is onyl worth doing to stop the allies from doing it. If you put too many troops there you are just asking your opponent to bomb you. Supply it with barges (so although his subs will be all over them, you don't really have to care) and let him take Nevea.

As soon as you spot enemy ships at Nevea, a couple of DD surface combat groups should race in from Lunga and long lance them. Drown the troops, sink the supplies, and leave whoever was unlucky enouhg to get to Nevea there to starve - repeat as necessary as more troops, supplies for Nevea arrive. Nevea and Irau are places to bleed your opponent - you don't actually want them (too easy for the allies to bomb).



herbieh -> decision (5/31/2003 1:00:46 PM)

In typical newbie non decision way Ive made a decision.
The enemy has only regiment at PM, Im very close to 2 to 1 already, so I am only going to send one more, the other three and a half regiments are going to gather at the moment south east of gilli gilli, if PM falls, its south east bound for them,

3 heavy Bombardment groups begin ops tonight, and the CV TF 3cv,1cvl is covering the 1st inbound regiment

2 more CVs have arrived today, and another surface TF has been dispatched from Truk, they will lurk of Lunga ( no uber CV TF yet for me)
Trying to get my stuff together re HQs,base forces and airfield building. despite AP losses I have ooodles of them.

Only 2 zero squads 1 betty 2 nell in theatre.

results today, we capture Irau!
Nothing else happening
Hiryu is a long way south now!



herbieh -> it begins (5/31/2003 2:50:44 PM)

deliberate attack pm.
1to 1, fort to zero, 17457 troops to 8933 so I reckon Im only about 400 short
LRCAP zeros over PM
BBs have hit it, and Im keeping them there, he can try to hit them, or the invasion convoy, at the moment Im gambling that his LBA is still too green to hurt me too much
So we begin.
CV Hiryu launches a raid on Brisbane, severly damages 3 AP.
No air resistance
So now I hope wobbly is wondering how many LBA squads to send down south, or from Numea.
I hope the latter, as CV Akagi and Juno charge southeast!



herbieh -> It finishes!!! (6/1/2003 12:28:32 PM)

Jubilation at HQ!

Last night a small platoon infiltrated to the edge of PM airfield.
Sensing a weakening of resolve our commander on the spot ordered one last effort from the troops.
Maybe it was the effects of the bombardment of the night before, or the sight of our navy sailing in PM harbour apparently immune to allied airpower.....you get the picture.
launched one last deliberate attack, PM is MINE!
Kept the BBs in the harbour, over 70 bombers attacked, for no hits and a beating from my lrcap.

The plan has worked.
Even better, wobbly has tried to sneak a tf up the edge of the screen, it got struck by my Vals, for some DDs hit

Now he has a choice, my invasion regiment will be in PM this turn, hopefully he will attack, and meet 2BBs and escorts.
Ive moved the CVs way west, so if his turn up I still have some room.
Again I hope his CVs are trying to hunt down Hiryu, Ive put her Zeros on 0cap, if she is struck Ill make sure her strike gets through, crippling his CVs now sure will leave the way clear for what is coming next.

What next?
Sorry Luskan, no defence this time, this newbie is going for auto victory.
The plan is to take the 3 regiments now freed up and already at sea and strike at lunganville,wunpunko and efate port villa, yes all at once.
These are the distraction.
3 more regiments available in about 40 days will strike some time later( when the battles at lunganville have sucked enough allied resources in) at.....Rockingham.
So thats the plan.
I need about 2 weeks to gather fuel, and get sorted out, a week would be better, before the marines arrive
The next phase as forces gather hopefully will see his CVs engaged, if not, the invasion of lunganville will certaintly do it.

Now if all this fails, it should at least give my engineers and APs some breathing space to build defences in depth.
Whatever happens, it should be fun to watch!:D



Luskan -> (6/1/2003 2:22:50 PM)

Careful - you're starting to look a bit green ;)

You do know that to win autovictory you still have to have whatever base you take by 1st jan 1943 . . . Which means that if you are halfway through june now, and the invasion doesn't launch for 50 turns, takes a month to get to rockhampton, that still gives the allies a whopping 3 months to waste you in their own back yard. You can't hold a base on Oz against the enemy for 3 months - you are just going to get hammered repeatedly, and to get 4 times the required supply onto that airfield? Forget it. By Jan you will have used it all and when you try to ship in more in late december to win the game - 500 allied level bombers will be there at close, close range to stop you.

Wait for december before you make any autovictory plans!!!



herbieh -> thanks Luskan (6/1/2003 5:57:37 PM)

Actually Luskan every bit of advise you have given me is exactly right, and in all the other games, its exactly the tactic I am following.
However as this is an entertainment game, with an AAR with a twist, Im probably going to go for it anyway, it should make it more fun. In real life wasnt this Combined fleets alternative midway plan anyway?
So, I know Im going to get hammered, but come along for the ride, no ego at stake here!

So....
Imperial HQ orders the attacks to proceed.
Meanwhile sneaky wobbly has a brain fade and sends a fast transport to Taivu, and blunders into the mother of all minefields, Betties finish of 1 DD, at least 2 CAs, another DD are hit as well.

CV Hiryu meanwhile steams fullspeed northwards to intercept!
We wait with baited breath.

On another front MY ISP tells me I sent turns to two other players last week, now I hear they didnt get them, on one I deleted his last turn after playing it. What do we do now? Only a short scenerio, but a pain if I stuffed it.
Personal apologies to **** if I have.
Where do I go to read more on how combat save works?
Thanks



herbieh -> quiet (6/2/2003 3:49:39 PM)

And what happened the next day....... absolutely nothing.:p



herbieh -> war on holiday (6/3/2003 3:10:20 PM)

Well , just two turns without action, abd wobbly asks me, whats going on.
Well invasions, even rash ones need build up,and thats what is happening. when the plan is finished, and forces gathered, Ill fill the air with transmissions. Until then, its build, supply and relieve time.



herbieh -> Buggar! (6/4/2003 6:21:57 PM)

Anger and recriminations at Combined fleet HQ, as word comes in that Yamato is returning to Truk, badly damaged by just a single torpedo from some sub of PM. Apparently some 30 feet of plate is missing from her bows, and she is burning.

Nevertheless Operation Knife,fork and spoon begins to take shape.

Operation cultery:
Objective, to bring the enemy fleet to battle, and destroy him.

Forces involved, the lot!:D

Operation Fork - 3 task forces, 61, 60, 55, will land 16th regiment at lunganville, 230th reg at Wunpunko, and 228th reg at Efate port Vila.
They will be covered by TF5, 3 cvs and escort
Bombardment forces assigned:
Surface TF 7 Kongo and Nagato
TF58 Mutsu
TF64 Hiei
TF 54,3ca
TF 59, 2ca
plus supporting AOs and DDs and SS

Operation Spoon
At the appropiate time, TF 57,3cv,1cvl, will strike at Noumea directly

Operation knife
In the inevitable lull, 124th reg,28th reg, and 29 reg will land at Rockingham.

The encounters should be decisive.
They should allow time to build a defence in depth, troops we have plenty of, airfields are in short supply
Also I intend to afollow Luskans lead, and withdraw LBA, and train and train and train.

yes, all very rash and risky, other opponents ,not the tactics I would usually follow, but it should be a fun plan to follow. Reading wobblies response should be fun for you guys as this all unfolds anyway.



herbieh -> As usual... (6/4/2003 7:11:38 PM)

All this talk about engaging CVs, what happens, Ive just spotted them way south, and what am I doing, refuelling:rolleyes:

PM forces relieved, some evacuating by sea, had a gut ful of SS, so the rest are marching to Buna, then going home.

Regiment should soon reach marilam. when captured will march to PM
Operation cutlery begins tomorrow.



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