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wings7 -> RE: HoI IV $30 on greenmangaming.com (6/7/2016 7:27:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ranger33 I've played a few hours now as well, it's a lot of fun and much easier to play than HoI 3. I would recommend all of the grizzled grognard types to steer clear. The game is way too streamlined and user friendly for you [:D] Only complaint so far would be that the AI can certainly do some very silly things with troop movements and I really don't like how military access works currently. I'm playing my first game as Romania. I went fascist and then attacked Bulgaria (I mean, why not?) to get some extra factories and such. Then I lined up against Hungary. I really should have lost that war since my army got all but pocketed and then Hungary slipped a dozen divisions into Romania proper. Instead of going for my undefended capital they were happy to loiter in the north for several months, giving me time to reach somewhat undefended Budapest, forcing them to capitulate. A later oddity was when Germany attacked Poland. The Soviets did not attack Poland and the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was still on. They instead attacked Estonia, who was allied with Poland, which for some reason caused 50 German divisions to travel around Poland and into the SU, then they reversed course and then 50 SU divisions cruised into Germany. Then Germany won against Poland, then the next day declared war on SU, leaving dozens of SU divisions hundreds of miles from supply. So, yeah, some work to be done there. Or AI Hitler is just a very sneaky trickster. Sounds good! I've been impressed of what I've seen and heard! [:)]

Rosseau -> RE: HoI IV $30 on greenmangaming.com (6/8/2016 12:28:42 AM)
For some reason, it reminds me of the Supreme Ruler series done right. Pretty easy to play without a manual or a wiki. Well worth it for the $30 I wound up paying. Rather big negative for me is only 1936 and 1938 start times, so you can't jump right into war without using the console or cheating. Good game, but I am rather glad HOI 3 v4.02 is still around. I just love Francesco's counter mods and the ability to paste in brand new OOBs in seconds.

vaalen -> RE: HoI IV $30 on greenmangaming.com (6/8/2016 3:01:35 AM)
I would recommend that you read the MANY very negative reviews on Steam before you spend anything on this. I am definitely not going to buy it, even on sale.

bairdlander2 -> RE: HoI IV $30 on greenmangaming.com (6/8/2016 4:16:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vaalen I would recommend that you read the MANY very negative reviews on Steam before you spend anything on this. I am definitely not going to buy it, even on sale. positives 890,negatives 138

aaatoysandmore -> RE: HoI IV $30 on greenmangaming.com (6/8/2016 9:26:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vaalen I would recommend that you read the MANY very negative reviews on Steam before you spend anything on this. I am definitely not going to buy it, even on sale. The users scores on Metacritic ain't so hot either: http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/hearts-of-iron-iv

vaalen -> RE: HoI IV $30 on greenmangaming.com (6/8/2016 3:38:41 PM)
If you read the very first positive review that appears on steam when you look at the store page, the writer is having a great time, using Mongolia to conquer Japan. Other positive reviewers enjoy similar nonsense where Italy conquers half of Europe early in the game. Another positive reviewer said that the AI can now make naval invasions, so what else do you need? A negative reviewer saw China take Tokyo with an amphibious assault in 1940, and stated there is no way to stop a naval invasion. A negative reviewer stated that the AI is one hundred percent brain dead, which is perhaps the reason that Mongolia was able to conquer Japan, to the delight of the first positive reviewer. A common theme in the negative reviews is that the game is not at all historical, even in the historical mode, that it feels like a shell in many areas, and is stripped of many features previous games had, to make it easy to play. And there is no manual. I have only read the first twenty or so reviews to appear on the store page, as no one has time to read all of the over one thousand reviews. So these comments are based on those twenty, as I felt no need to read more. Now, if you want an easy game that allows you to dominate the world as a minor nation, such as Mongolia, this is the game for you. Many people enjoy that experience. I want games to give a feel for history, and to be challenging. I greatly enjoyed HOI 2. But HOI 4 is not the game for me.

Aurelian -> RE: HoI IV $30 on greenmangaming.com (6/8/2016 3:57:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vaalen If you read the very first positive review that appears on steam when you look at the store page, the writer is having a great time, using Mongolia to conquer Japan. Other positive reviewers enjoy similar nonsense where Italy conquers half of Europe early in the game. Another positive reviewer said that the AI can now make naval invasions, so what else do you need? A negative reviewer saw China take Tokyo with an amphibious assault in 1940, and stated there is no way to stop a naval invasion. A negative reviewer stated that the AI is one hundred percent brain dead, which is perhaps the reason that Mongolia was able to conquer Japan, to the delight of the first positive reviewer. A common theme in the negative reviews is that the game is not at all historical, even in the historical mode, that it feels like a shell in many areas, and is stripped of many features previous games had, to make it easy to play. And there is no manual. I have only read the first twenty or so reviews to appear on the store page, as no one has time to read all of the over one thousand reviews. So these comments are based on those twenty, as I felt no need to read more. Now, if you want an easy game that allows you to dominate the world as a minor nation, such as Mongolia, this is the game for you. Many people enjoy that experience. I want games to give a feel for history, and to be challenging. I greatly enjoyed HOI 2. But HOI 4 is not the game for me. Brain dead AI: Check. Taking a minor, backward country and doing what even Genghis Khan couldn't do: Check. Pretending a fantasy game is historical: Check. Nope, not going to waste the money

Ranger33 -> RE: HoI IV $30 on greenmangaming.com (6/8/2016 4:12:00 PM)
Good thing is there will be mods to make the game more realistic. Paradox took steps to make this their most moddable game ever. There's even a tool to add 3D models and such into the game easily. Yes, the AI can be dumb, but that's true for plenty of other games. I'm sure it will get better. In my Romania campaign I've joined the Axis and we took Moscow in late '41 so that's at least a plausible outcome right? The fact that it's encirclement was spearheaded by my elite Romanian infantry probably less so [:D]

aaatoysandmore -> RE: HoI IV $30 on greenmangaming.com (6/8/2016 4:25:58 PM)
I wonder if "Brazil" can take Berlin again? [:D]

wings7 -> RE: HoI IV $30 on greenmangaming.com (6/8/2016 6:07:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ranger33 Good thing is there will be mods to make the game more realistic. Paradox took steps to make this their most moddable game ever. There's even a tool to add 3D models and such into the game easily. Yes, the AI can be dumb, but that's true for plenty of other games. I'm sure it will get better. In my Romania campaign I've joined the Axis and we took Moscow in late '41 so that's at least a plausible outcome right? The fact that it's encirclement was spearheaded by my elite Romanian infantry probably less so [:D] I do look forward to the mods! [:)]

hellfish6 -> RE: HoI IV $30 on greenmangaming.com (6/8/2016 7:07:49 PM)
I've got hundreds of hours in each of the previous incarnations of HOI (and almost every Paradox game), but having followed the development of this title for several years now, I'm in no hurry to purchase it. And having read some serious reviews (so many Steam reviews are terrible - "LOL awesome" is one review I've read of the game) I've decided that this will be the first Paradox game I don't buy on day one. Doesn't help that Stellaris, which appears to be an even more polished game at release, left me cold. Maybe in a couple of patches and a sale I'll look into it again. Right now it doesn't sound like a game I want to play.

vaalen -> RE: HoI IV $30 on greenmangaming.com (6/9/2016 5:19:45 AM)
Plus one.

bairdlander2 -> RE: HoI IV $30 on greenmangaming.com (6/9/2016 12:49:59 PM)
HOI 3 was the same at release...everyone knows this so there is no point in slamming this game

Aurelian -> RE: HoI IV $30 on greenmangaming.com (6/9/2016 7:43:53 PM)
So when they fix it, then maybe, when it's at a deep discount price , it will be worth buying. Enough people do that, maybe they'll learn.

wodin -> RE: HoI IV $30 on greenmangaming.com (6/9/2016 9:48:03 PM)
I'm sure fans will say it's been dumbed down way to much. For me however it's far more enjoyable to play. Can't get it for $30 though!

Rosseau -> RE: HoI IV $30 on greenmangaming.com (6/9/2016 11:15:20 PM)
The positives are we still have HOI3 Black Ice 8.51 for an extremely demanding game experience. I always felt guilty downloading that mod for free. Those guys deserve to be paid. Meanwhile, HOI4 "light" may draw more people in and will be extensively supported. My guess is it will be at least 25% off within the next six months or earlier, and that is pretty cheap for an "AAA" title. TBH, I bought Brother vs Brother for $50. I never play it, it's difficult to even text mod, never hear about patches or DLC, the game seems dead. Now that is an annoyance to me - not HOI IV.

aaatoysandmore -> RE: HoI IV $30 on greenmangaming.com (6/10/2016 1:21:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bairdlander HOI 3 was the same at release...everyone knows this so there is no point in slamming this game No, there are always new players that turn 12 and 13 every year so they need to know.

jacktimes2 -> RE: HoI IV $30 on greenmangaming.com (6/10/2016 3:36:48 AM)
I don't play the HoI series much anymore, to be honest, but if anyone's interested, the creators of BlackICE have confirmed they will be moving on to a new mod in the same vein (not sure if same name) for HoI4, so things are looking up in that respect.

bairdlander2 -> RE: HoI IV $30 on greenmangaming.com (6/10/2016 4:05:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore quote: ORIGINAL: bairdlander HOI 3 was the same at release...everyone knows this so there is no point in slamming this game No, there are always new players that turn 12 and 13 every year so they need to know. sorry I forgot...now YOU know

IainMcNeil -> RE: HoI IV $30 on greenmangaming.com (6/10/2016 10:07:38 AM)
Bairdlander & Aaatoysandmore this thread is now locked because you two cant resist the urge to niggle at each other. Please just ignore each other and do not respond. It adds nothing to the community.

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