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Bullwinkle58 -> RE: at sea replenishment question (6/8/2016 11:09:38 PM)
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Looked a little more.
"Late in the war, AEs were equipped for transfer of ammunition to ships at sea. Prior to that, AEs could only transfer to ships when they were alongside in a port.
The only difference between AE and AKE is this late war underway rearmament.
AEs and AKEs come in all sizes, with only the larger ones having the capability of handling the shells for the really big guns. We wanted to allow small AE/AKE for rearmament of smaller warships without creating a "cheat" where an incredibly small ship could handle the largest ammo. This was implemented using the total cargo capacity.
In this regard, total cargo capacity stands in for the magazine size and protection, cranes and elevators, hatch sizes, deck reinforcement, and all the other items involved in carrying and issuing ammunition.
This check on total cargo capacity is in addition to the supply requirement for actual issue of ammunition.
Basically, total cargo capacity indicates the ability to carry ammunition of a certain size and supply on board indicates if any ammunition is actually being carried. "
Don Bowen
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3543680&mpage=1&key=AEs?
And this from Alfred:
"Some clarifications are in order.
1. Commencing 1 January 1945, AE type vessels which are in a Replenishment TF, can rearm from their "cargo" hold, ships in other task forces whilst at sea.
2. AKE and TK type vessels can never rearm and refuel respectively from their "cargo" holds, ships in other task forces whilst at sea. The same restriction applies to AE type vessels prior to 1 January 1945.
3. AKE and TK type vessels must be at a base (ditto for AE prior to 1 January 1945) in order to rearm and refuel respectively from their "cargo" holds other ships in a task force currently at that base (it need not be docked). The AKE/TK may be either disbanded in the port or in a task force. Ships in other task forces which wish to replenish from the AKE/TK either select:
(a) replenish from port, if the AKE/TK are disbanded in port, or
(b) replenish at sea, if the AKE/TK are in a task force
4. AE/AKE can replenish all weapon systems (except mines), subject to having a sufficient internal cargo hold capacity and the requisite supply to meet the rearming cost. In practice this means that AKE will probably only be able to rearm up to 12" guns. Most AE (but not all) can rearm up to 16" guns. All AE/AKE are capable of rearming carrier aircraft and torpedo sorties.
Read this thread for reference.
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2296976&mpage=1&key=replenish?
Alfred"
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3491611&mpage=1&key=rearming?
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So. I was wrong, although the 5inches and smaller note is widespread and came from somewhere in the very early days.
And, per Don's post, the 5400 capacity, IF they have exactly 5400 supply on-board (and not one point less) can rearm a BB at sea after 1/1/45 if they're in a Replenishment TF and ops points cooperate. At that point they should be flat dry and need to go to a port to re-supply. In my experience at many ports, especially those with multiple tenders needing to load supply, one turn often isn't enough to get back to 5400 on more than one tender.
Also, 5400 is the most common sized AE in the USN. In my mid-1944 game I have only two 6400 supply afloat (may have lost some; I didn't check), with only three more to be delivered by the end of the war (Vesuvius, Wrangell, Firedrake.)
So if one had a Bombardment TF of, say, seven BBs with 16in main guns, I read that as needing seven 5400 AEs or larger to rearm all at once, each with pristine supply levels.
I've only used AEs at sea in AI games years ago. I used them for AA ammo to combat the kamis. I don't recall ever trying to re-arm battleships. Probably didn't try as I, and many others, thought there was a 5inch restriction.
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