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Bif1961 -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (9/15/2017 1:36:21 AM)

Cudos, now the exploitation as you have him pinned against the river. You are behind in points especially units and startegic capture some major airfields and bring in your B-29s to get strat numbers and chase him to and into Korea.



Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (9/20/2017 11:25:32 PM)

Feb 8 1945

HK sat stunned for a few turns but then repairs took off. I also moved a ton of engineers from Haiphong to HK.

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Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (9/20/2017 11:27:29 PM)

Feb 10

Most of the AV stuck at the roadblock east of Hanoi/Haiphong have been moved to Hong Kong due to the 10 divisions worth of transport suddenly available.

I am also leaving garrison forces at Saigon and CRB and moving all the available AV toward Haiphong.

The intent is to try to encircle his armies.



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Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (9/20/2017 11:33:03 PM)

Feb 14

Hong Kong went up 19% toward level 9 airfield today. It is on track to hit in 4 days or so.

I am bombarding Formosa and the main 3 airports there are damaged. MrKane managed to get some kamakazi's through the other day and damage 3 CVE's.

There are 2 brigades at Swatow and a brigade at Chachow. I will disable these by air and airdrop troops to take the bases.

Either the first troop in the stack or the whole stack of troops at Canton appear to be moving west. He could save a lot of troops if he gets them out of Canton before I encircle it. I have 4000AV beating on approximatly 800AV in the heavy urban hex. In 2 attacks I have dropped the forts from above lvl 5 to lvl 4 now.

MrKane completely abandoned LangSon and even did not counter attack when one of my divisions smashed itself there. He abandoned Bangkok completely as well so he shows no fear of giving up position to save troops. My guess is that it is not the whole stack but my plans remain the same, to encircle and either capture Canton or tie it off with a few divisions and move on.

To be honest I am more interested in Khansein(sp?) due to it's ability to unhinge the whole Changsha pocket.

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Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (9/21/2017 12:16:45 AM)

Here is an up close of the battle front in China.

The stack that just moved out of Lang Son is a good bit of the barricade at Haiphong/Hanoi.

I am guessing he will set up a line at Nanning/Kwielin/Kukong. It is strong and can easily be defended. The linch pin in the line is the hex southwest of Changsha that is in the open though. If Allied troops can control this hex they have cut the southern rail lines.

Canton is heavy urban and lvl 4 fortifications but he doesnt really have much meat there. It shows 59K troops but in reality he has 40K troops with the main defense force being the 1st Tank Division and the 52nd Division. I blew about 5% off of the force in each attack I tried and the 1st Tank was down below 200AV at the end of the combat phase last turn.

MrKane has the opportunity to save those troops by moving them west and then northwest. He can assist their escape with the blocking troops. He would lose great defensive terrain but could save 24 units including the 1st tank division. On the other side he gives me the road for strategic movement. However, most of my troops are already on the road or will be within 4 days so it really isnt giving up much.

My goal is Khansien which is less than a week road trip to Pingsiang where I can threaten Changsha and cut the rail lines.

Northwest of Amoy are the remains of a division and an HQ that were at Hong Kong. They have been attacked twice and are now mostly support troops.

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Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (9/21/2017 12:32:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bif1961

Cudos, now the exploitation as you have him pinned against the river. You are behind in points especially units and startegic capture some major airfields and bring in your B-29s to get strat numbers and chase him to and into Korea.


I agree strat bombing is where it is at. I was bombing from Shikuka and getting a low burn over Tokyo for about a week. MrKane was losing aircraft like crazy and the bombers were holding up. Then he bombarded Shikuka and destroyed 70+ B29's. I have been rebuilding from that hit.

Soon I can be using B24's over the western section of the islands.

The few points I have managed to scrape up have hopefully been painful to him. Looks like I got 20-30% of industrial production in Tokyo halted.



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PaxMondo -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (9/21/2017 1:45:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Wargmr

To be honest I am more interested in Khansein(sp?) due to it's ability to unhinge the whole Changsha pocket.


Kanhsien



PaxMondo -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (9/21/2017 1:47:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Wargmr
The linch pin in the line is the hex southwest of Changsha that is in the open though. If Allied troops can control this hex they have cut the southern rail lines.



worse than open terrain, the river is on the wrong side to defend from the south ... difficult point to defend....



Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (10/4/2017 3:03:40 PM)

Buy that man a beer... or 50!!



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Lowpe -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (10/4/2017 3:57:34 PM)

She can usually shrug one torpedo hit off, but three will put her out of the war. Nicely done.

Only 3 destroyers present....interesting.



decourcy2 -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (10/4/2017 7:46:11 PM)

It is so rare to see a game go this far, good job you two.
If I may ask, when did you feel you had control over the war? Mid '43? Beginning '44?

And it would be cool to capture Yamato-san at the end of the war, can put it in a museum.



Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (10/5/2017 12:52:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: decourcy2

It is so rare to see a game go this far, good job you two.
If I may ask, when did you feel you had control over the war? Mid '43? Beginning '44?

And it would be cool to capture Yamato-san at the end of the war, can put it in a museum.


This is the 3rd game I have taken this far consecutively. Your next buddy!!

I dont have control over this war. MrKane still has a functioning KB and could use it at any time. He also has quite a few troops isolated that could be liberated including 2800AV at Manila. I have 2200AV there getting bombarded every turn.

China is going well but I am concerned about 145 ships at Singapore filled to the brim with fuel. Need to do something about those.

He just killed another 30+ superfortresses at Shikuka and did over 250 hits on those planes so they are out for at least a month. He had the Yamato get hit along with another battleship and several cruisers took mine and/or torpedo hits in return for the bombardment.

This war might go to the end. I am not sure.



Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (10/5/2017 1:39:27 AM)

Java

MrKane is stubbornly holding on in 2 locations in Java. I have been bombarding Bandoeng for months but the AV is maintained with no readiness loss so I am positive he is flying at least some supply in. Madioen has been sitting for a while and I am going to take it out now. The last attack showed supply issues.



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Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (10/5/2017 2:03:03 AM)

The China front has blown open since Hong Kong fell at the beginning of the month. For some reason that I cannot figure out, MrKane moved the large stack of units out of Canton. This includes the 1st tank division and another divison which have been beaten down to 200AV each.

Leaving them in place would have prevented me access to the city and strat movement. I forgot that Marines are too dumb to drive down a road so they have to move on foot anyway. MrKane is moving the stack northeast now across the river into open terrain. I will block with 3 marine divisions while another stays to anchor the city and act as garrision and the remaining 2 marine units will drive northeast to Kukong to relieve 2 divisions that can strat move. MrKanes other 2 tank divisions are at Kukong and risk being surrounded if he does not move out of that city rather quickly.

Within 2 weeks there will be serious forces up near Changsha.

Formosa has 2, maybe 3 divisions on it so it is not particularly dangerous in terms of land combat value. Troops are prepping for the shores of the island.

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PaxMondo -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (10/6/2017 1:17:15 AM)

I have to admit some surprise that Mr Kane ceded HK as he did. With Formosa, he should have been able to mount a defense. Either he was caught completely off guard or his economy is bad shape ...

Only a few ID's on Formosa ... again, I am surprised. I consider Formosa within my inner sphere, I don't like the allies that close. But this is early 45 now ... so maybe he is contracting his defense tight to increase his ability to resist? Not sure yet ....

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Lowpe -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (10/6/2017 1:53:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

I have to admit some surprise that Mr Kane ceded HK as he did. With Formosa, he should have been able to mount a defense. Either he was caught completely off guard or his economy is bad shape ...

Only a few ID's on Formosa ... again, I am surprised. I consider Formosa within my inner sphere, I don't like the allies that close. But this is early 45 now ... so maybe he is contracting his defense tight to increase his ability to resist? Not sure yet ....

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Without naval superiority, or parity, Formosa falls fast. With the Sakhalin threat, I guess he got caught having to chose priorities.

And with Amoy under threat, what is the point to investing a lot into Formosa?



Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (10/6/2017 3:56:02 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

I have to admit some surprise that Mr Kane ceded HK as he did. With Formosa, he should have been able to mount a defense. Either he was caught completely off guard or his economy is bad shape ...

Only a few ID's on Formosa ... again, I am surprised. I consider Formosa within my inner sphere, I don't like the allies that close. But this is early 45 now ... so maybe he is contracting his defense tight to increase his ability to resist? Not sure yet ....

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Hong Kong was a surprise to him. I dont think he expected me to attack directly. I did so with 8 prepped divisions so I dont blame him for that. I just dont think he can get those troops away from Canton so believe it was a mistake.

MrKane has now started the stack moving northwest along the river instead of making a NE river crossing. He also started moving his tank divisions out of Kukong.

One of his set pieces was Manila. There are over 125,000 troops there with nearly 1500 tanks. He is bombarding me every turn so supply is not an issue there. If he does not get those troops moved within 2 months they will be stuck there permanently.

My main goal was to liberate China but as things are moving along and we are almost into March the operation might be more just to corral as much of the Japanese army into a pocket in preparation for the Soviets in August.

My bomber pools are a mess and need time to heal. So the first objective right now is to sail down to Singapore and try to sink 150 ships full of fuel. It will probably be painful.



PaxMondo -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (10/6/2017 4:00:36 AM)

I would agree, with HK fallen, PI is a penal colony unless.



Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (10/21/2017 4:13:30 PM)

China Late March 1945

MrKane shows very little signs of supply issues in combat but his movements indicate that there are issues. The war goes well in this area.

Wenchow is lightly garrisoned and should be attacked by a division within the next week. There are sufficient forces in the ring around Chungking to prevent easy liberation of the Chinese. It is an objective but not a primary one.

Now that the east coast of Japan has been taken it is time to move to Formosa. There are approximately 100K troops on the island. My carrier and battle groups are resting up after taking out the shipping at Singapore. Now that I can guarantee no significant troop movements in this area I will move the group to Hong Kong in about a week.

The Japanese 1st tank division is still moving northeast near Wuchow. Not sure whether they can ever get back to the front lines. The 2nd and 3rd tank divisions are in Changsha.

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GetAssista -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (10/21/2017 6:28:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Wargmr
Now that the east coast of Japan has been taken it is time to move to Formosa.

Umm, with east coast of Japan it would be time to move to winning the game [:)]



BBfanboy -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (10/21/2017 6:29:55 PM)

You have the East Coast of Japan? Hokkaido? Honshu? (Sakhalin doesn't count!).
Pictures or it didn't happen! [:)]



Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (10/21/2017 7:14:49 PM)

If it wasnt for my critics, I would feel ignored :P

East coast of China...

East and west coasts of Japan are not out of the question!!



Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (1/27/2018 2:39:45 AM)

I'm not dead yet!!

The game took a pause for a while and recently resumed. Strategically since the taking of Hong Kong I have been rolling east along the Chinese coast. I am having no luck in the interior and am not sure how long it might take to break out Chungking and/or if it should be a priority.

Troops will enter Hangchow from the southwest tomorrow and 2 regiments are heading into Ningpo which appears to be defended with one small unit of 1500-2000 men. The hex northwest of Hangchow was just captured giving me access to the plains.

Amoy and Swatow are working on lvl 8 airfields and will help to suppress Formosa. The island has one lvl 8 airfield, a lvl 6,4, and 3. It is not really developed. Even better, Shanghai only has a lvl 4 airfield with Nanking having a lvl 3.

Over the next 6 weeks I want to extend into the plains, cut off Shanghai and see how much progress I can make on taking down Hangchow. I brought a lot of naval engineer battalions with me to increase the size of wenchow and Shaohing. I want to start strat bombing from this area escorted by fighters.



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Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (1/27/2018 2:41:50 AM)

Score wise I am still not doing that well. If anything the Japanese have been increasing their lead a bit lately due to some nasty air battles.

Not sure if I will win this one but I am going to have fun trying!!



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BBfanboy -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (1/27/2018 3:16:19 AM)

The Chinese units will need plenty of supply to convert to 1945 squads and fill out their TOE a lot more before their morale gets decent. Once you do that, they can be a juggernaut unto themselves and start pushing the Japanese around in many places. Refer to Canoerebel's AAR to see how it developed in China.



Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (2/4/2018 3:22:14 PM)

Mid April 1945

The Allies make a break out by taking Wuhu near Shanghai. Now forces are free to move north and east to cut the rail lines for the area.



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Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (2/9/2018 4:08:23 PM)

The railway to Shanghai has been cut in 2 locations. The 2nd tank division just showed up at the dot base at Pengpu. MrKane sent his bombers and severely trashed 2 regiments of tanks I had there. I retaliated with most of my 4EB but at 10K with the distance they had to travel they really did very little damage. His 1st tank division has been trapped between the lines for months since they retreated from Canton.

I want to clear out most of the small bases before focusing on Shanghai.

Meanwhile my bombardment fleets under cover of my carriers just sortied to Formosa to begin to reduce the island air power.





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Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (2/9/2018 4:41:03 PM)

MrKane has done an amazing job of keeping bases re-supplied for months beyond what I would have normally expected. An air strike just emerged from Bandoeng which has been isolated from supply for many months and without any sea contact.

Miri is still operational along with all the other bases.

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Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (2/9/2018 4:44:55 PM)

One of the few weak links right now appears to be Saigon. I bombarded it the last 2 turns and watched the AV drop from 1330 to 1328 and then 1322.

There are only about 700AV holding garrison there but they might be able to knock the stack down if it is out of supply.

Northern Sumatra finally succumbed to allied attacks and now those troops will be moved to Malaya by barge.

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Mike McCreery -> RE: Kane and Unable ;] (2/9/2018 5:33:30 PM)

I am not good at the air game and compared to MrKane I completely suck at it. Here is an average day of an ambush and a few sweeps leaving me short on the score side.

Hopefully his exertion of so many sorties is eventually going to help me on the supply side but I dont see ever having an air advantage.

My goal is to put up a large base at Shaohing and just try to bash the west coast of japan with large contingents of bombers with fighter support. I am within 12 hexes of the closest base. Hopefully by June the bombing can start.

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