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Stelteck -> RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone) (9/27/2016 6:07:29 PM)

A little random rain would be nice now.



Stelteck -> RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone) (9/29/2016 10:03:24 PM)

Turn 11 : 28 August 1941.

Still no rain. [:(]

More and more troops come to my aids, but i have little equipments and men to fill them, especially the tank brigades.(And even full tanks, they have little combat value whatsoever).
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In the south, german panzers breach the weak southern front and was nearly cut in two.... nearly !!!
Due to excellent leadership of Marshal Budyonny, the ennemy attack was slow down just before the town of Taganrog.

My troops are not isolated and most of them will be able to escape, at least this turn. Being lucky is a skill.

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In the center, more and more troops are involved, german and soviet side. I fear that soon 75% of all panzers will be there.

There are 2 axes of offensives and currently i'am stronger in the center than in the side. I need to change that. Moar troops on the side !!!

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Stelteck -> RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone) (9/30/2016 8:42:02 AM)

I notice that i have 2 partisans bataillons that are ready (one since 3 turns) but they do not do anything yet. I hope they will wake up. Supply line are vulnerable now as they are rare.

Wake up comrades !!!



EwaldvonKleist -> RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone) (9/30/2016 11:11:47 AM)

Workers of the world unite and blow up the imperialistic railways!



Dinglir -> RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone) (9/30/2016 9:03:56 PM)

In my game versus Pelton, my partisans have been a major disappointment in 1941.

Due to morale restrictions it seems they need to be within three hexes of German rail to function. Even then, they seem to be "lethargic" to put it mildly.

In short, don't expect much of them, but be happy if they do provide some sort of service.



Stelteck -> RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone) (9/30/2016 10:16:31 PM)

Turn done, but i moved so much troops i have no railroad capacity left to evacuate any factories. Who need factories anyway, priority to the troops !! Factories are long term issues and i have short term issues.

Moscow will be defended with anything available.

I will probably have little capacity left next turn too.



Stelteck -> RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone) (10/3/2016 6:28:14 PM)

Turn 12 : 04 September 1941 !!!

I'am glad to be in september. Even if there is no rain yet [:@]

I had the nice surprise to have 7 rifles divisions promoted to guard status !!
Guard units have a special TOE and +10 bonus morale so 55 instead of 45. Once trained to 55 Xp, they will be twice effective as the normal rifle division.
I plan to remove them all from front to finish their training in a full guard army as reserve units just east moscow.

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Let's start with peacefull Area :

Leningrad, which just fall and the garnison is now encercled. Of course it was mostly naval rifle brigade not very important. I will not loose much.

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Crimea, where i have a complete army. I'am not sūre it is a good idea as i do not need crimea so much. I will probably remove some divisions for more critical objectives.

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202016-10-03%2018.45.02.jpg[/image]

Voronev, which is a critical objective of this year that i do not have troops to defend properly. I will do my best with what is left.
If Moscow fall, it will be my only hope. If voronev did not fall first.
I prefer to defend moscow than voronev. Probably a mystake for a pure rational point of view as Voronev is easier to defend, but defending moscow is far more glorious and make sense not only in game point of view, but also for historical and political one.

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Now the action zones !!!!

Southern front has been crushed this turn !! It was a rampage. My little front did what it could. Now i will try to salvage what i can and survivors will go Voronev.
I do not expect the germans to go to Ural this year. next year, yes.

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202016-10-03%2018.43.54.jpg[/image]

And now the decisive battle of moscow.

in the NW, the ennemy breach one more line of defense, but i have plenty in the area (thanks to favorable ground) and i'am quite confident in this sector. The defenses are strong.

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Now the SW, the problem zone.

The SW defense line is not so strong, and behind there are plenty of plains for panzer to move, unfortunately. And german troops are now well supplied by rail.
I try to built a line on the Oka river, but these white divisions are weak troops in training, with poor combat values. The situation is quite dangerous here. I will try to do what i can to renforce the sector.

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Let's look at the general situation. I think my casualties are quite low for now. (German casualties are low too, but it was expected).
Of course my casualties can change very quickly if the battle of moscow go wrong. Worst case scenario, i can have 1 millions troops encercled there. But let's keep hope.

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Stelteck -> RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone) (10/5/2016 10:15:25 PM)

Turn 13 : 11 September 1941 !!!

The battle for moscow rage !!!!

Difficult turn for the soviet union as german forces are in full offensive against moscow.

In the north, invaders' troops smashed my heavy defense line but were not able to exploit it. This turn....
The line was strong... But not strong enough.

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In the south, german pierce 2 lines of defenses and now an elite motorized ennemy division is in sight of moscow !!!! Situation is very bad.

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Energic measures are needed. I intend to encircle, smash and rout the german motorized division with my best troops (i will probably need a ratio of troops of 15 to 1 or 20 to 1 in deliberate attacks, with full air support, thanks to not having the +1 soviet attack bonus).
Then i will try to reconstruct a line of defense using the city as stronhold for a last stand.

And pray for mud.

If i lost moscow, my only hope to survive 1941 will then be Voronev, which is actually not very well defended. Maybe i shall activate my backup plan and begin to heavily fortified the area.






Stelteck -> RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone) (10/6/2016 9:53:48 AM)

I have a decision to take.

Shall i fall back to Voronev to defend heavily this last critical objective in order to survive 1941, or shall i try to defend moscow to the last men, risking german auto victory if i fail.

I do not know if it is viable in the long run if i lost moscow, rostov and leningrad.

With the lost of moscow, my armement count will look bad, but i'am not sūre it is matter as limiting factor seems manpower instead of armement.
I'am not convince that the count of evacuated factory actually matter in the long run.



chaos45 -> RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone) (10/6/2016 6:28:40 PM)

Armaments and manpower are both critical. To build up the ToE of your late mid and LW units you will need armaments.

If you lose moscow esp with alot of its factories its probably game over esp since you are losing Rostov as well in 1941.



EwaldvonKleist -> RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone) (10/6/2016 7:01:56 PM)

Why do you have such a strong river line defense west of Yaroslavl Stelteck? One stack has defensive CV of 35, and a major river triples it as far as I know. Is a push east in this direction really that dangerous/likely? (noob question, no critcism!).



Stelteck -> RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone) (10/6/2016 9:52:03 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: EwaldvonKleist

Why do you have such a strong river line defense west of Yaroslavl Stelteck? One stack has defensive CV of 35, and a major river triples it as far as I know. Is a push east in this direction really that dangerous/likely? (noob question, no critcism!).


No problem i'am always happy to answer questions, even critics if you want. I hardly ever rage on forum. (Until today at least).

I agree that the line of defense west Yaroslav near the large river is probably a little overkill.

But it is just today. Last turn the level 2 fortifications were not here and the line was weaker.
I prefer also to dig as fast as possible, so 3 divisions dig better than one.
Once level 2 fortification is here, i can (and i will) remove troops and send them to another area.

I also try to make the side stronger than the center, because it is better to have the line cut in the center than in the side. The risk of encerclement is lower. It was true for north and south of moscow.

Last point, germans troops managed to cut the line though heavy defense. My line was not weak. The fact that the line was breached is more a testimony of german superior forces.



Stelteck -> RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone) (10/7/2016 10:01:03 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: chaos45
Armaments and manpower are both critical. To build up the ToE of your late mid and LW units you will need armaments.
If you lose moscow esp with alot of its factories its probably game over esp since you are losing Rostov as well in 1941.


OK i aggree with you, so challenge accepted : Hold moscow at all cost or die trying.



Stelteck -> RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone) (10/7/2016 10:00:43 PM)

End of my turn : Moscow or bust !!!

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The german division close to moscow is routed. with light casualties.... Maybe the fighting withdrawal thing come a bit too far.... [:'(]
Having a fighting withdrawal when a unit is routed is strange.

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timmyab -> RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone) (10/7/2016 10:12:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Stelteck
The german division close to moscow is routed. with light casualties.... Maybe the fighting withdrawal thing come a bit too far.... [:'(]
Having a fighting withdrawal when a unit is routed is strange.

Yes I agree. Being routed due to having no path of retreat should be a costly business even for veteran/elite units.



Stelteck -> RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone) (10/7/2016 10:35:06 PM)

Anyone know what is the meaning of the following symbol (-) next to the division name ?



M60A3TTS -> RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone) (10/7/2016 10:38:18 PM)

(-) means it's an understrength division.



Stelteck -> RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone) (10/10/2016 5:42:24 PM)

Turn 14 : 19 september 1941 :

The battle for moscow rage on !!!

Defense end of turn 13 before german turn :
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Situation beginning of turn 14 :
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Ennemy advance south have stalled, as i routed the german division that reached moscow and put in front a moscow a wall of units.
So the ennemy have to try to found a way east.

But for north, ennemy troops grind their way toward moscow. Renforcement incoming and maybe some counter attack in advance ennemy position if i manage to get enough troops !!! I miss the +1 soviet attack bonus very much [:'(]



Stelteck -> RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone) (10/10/2016 7:44:06 PM)

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Norwest, Western, Reserve, Southwest and bryanks front are defending moscow right now.
Nearly 3 millions men are fighting over moscow in the soviet army !!



Dinglir -> RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone) (10/10/2016 10:20:41 PM)

Is Pelton advancing in the south or is he content to go no further this year?



Stelteck -> RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone) (10/10/2016 10:32:50 PM)

He stops advancing south.

But there is an army approching voronev without panzers.
I still hold crimea with 9 divisions too.



Stelteck -> RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone) (10/11/2016 9:53:50 PM)

Turn 15 : 25 september 1941 :

No rain so far. I need rain !!! Please all sing with me.

Heavy fighting occured north of moscow but soviet resistance is very heavy !!

My tactics groupings the best troops in special armies with the best generals is working quite good, as it provide me each turn some limited counterattack options on the tired german spear.

I pushed back 2 divisions last turn. Plan to try one this turn.

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202016-10-11%2019.01.13.jpg[/image]

South of moscow, the ennemy try to move around my defenses

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Southern, ennemy germany reached voronev where i try to built some resistances. But i still need most of troops at moscow.

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202016-10-11%2018.58.32.jpg[/image]

South of rostov, situation is calm.
One question for the experienced : I have no idea why i cannot move my troops out there by sea. It was possible some times ago. Not anymore. I do not know what is the problem.
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M60A3TTS -> RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone) (10/11/2016 10:06:36 PM)

I believe the presence of the German unit west of Taganrog is blocking the unit from passing through the bay.



sillyflower -> RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone) (10/11/2016 10:20:47 PM)

Seems a bit odd but I can't see any other explanation: assuming you have enough sea transport capacity



Bozo_the_Clown -> RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone) (10/12/2016 3:42:34 AM)

quote:

I believe the presence of the German unit west of Taganrog is blocking the unit from passing through the bay.



The units next to the port have nothing to do with it. Are you sure you have naval transport selected (F3)?



STEF78 -> RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone) (10/12/2016 7:07:52 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Bozo_the_Clown

quote:

I believe the presence of the German unit west of Taganrog is blocking the unit from passing through the bay.



The units next to the port have nothing to do with it. Are you sure you have naval transport selected (F3)?

Sorry Bozo, it's the ZOC of this units which is blocking the path.

I already had this case (port of Azov) in my game against Beekeeeper



Stelteck -> RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone) (10/12/2016 7:46:31 AM)

Thanks for the information.



Bozo_the_Clown -> RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone) (10/12/2016 2:40:50 PM)

quote:

Sorry Bozo, it's the ZOC of this units which is blocking the path.

I already had this case (port of Azov) in my game against Beekeeeper


But I tested it. Look at the screenshot. Am I missing something?


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Stelteck -> RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone) (10/12/2016 8:52:21 PM)

So i have no idea why i cannot move my troops.
I have issue to check if i have enough naval transport capability. Do you know where it is displayed ?

I finished my turn 15.

Despite unfavored options, i still manage to perform one or two successfull counter attack per turn.

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Pelton/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202016-10-12%2020.16.13.jpg[/image]

Because number is a quality, and good leader is very good to boost CV. (Like this one (who have a great future destiny as leader of stavka), who managed to multiply my CV by *2.5).

Another point is that my ennemy do not bother with air covert during its turn, so i have free bombing run.
Last 2 turns i performed like twenty bombing runs on ennemy airfield, destroying a total of 100 luftwaffe planes a turn on ground. I lost 100 planes from ennemy flak, but who care. [:'(]
I also bomb armored spearhead with probably symbolic looses.

I notice also (as a test) that i can put ennemy division ammo supply in red with 2 suicide attack of spare divisions, at the cost of around 1000/2000 men.
I know the german have issue to ressuply with ammo the spearhead north, because they used 150 Junker 52 to carry supply to an airfield in the spearhead.
But i do not know if it could be an efficient strategy.




sillyflower -> RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone) (10/12/2016 9:35:03 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Stelteck

So i have no idea why i cannot move my troops.
I have issue to check if i have enough naval transport capability. Do you know where it is displayed ?




mouse over a sea hex in that area and it will appear at the bottom of the info box for that hex. Then you need to select naval transport icon or press F3. NB capacity works same way as with RR so you may not be able to sail out whole stack.



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