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warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (12/2/2016 11:05:09 PM)
Does anyone know why I can't buy anything with anybody at the moment? [&:] [image]local://upfiles/28156/3347E2F3B97E4342B3A7EBFFA198E319.jpg[/image]

n0kn0k -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (12/3/2016 3:22:19 AM)
Might wanna mail Hubert the save game. This looks odd.

Hartmann -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (12/3/2016 8:51:50 AM)
Never saw THAT either. What I often see, though, is entries in red where no explanation is given WHY these units aren't available just now when they WERE available before. I mean: The NORMAL case would be an asterisk with a short explanation why the unit isn't available yet in the window with the unit's picture. Until now I always thought I must have missed something in the manual, but now I'm beginning to think that there's bugs involved (with Warspite's screenshot being just a really extreme case).

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (12/3/2016 8:58:46 AM)
I've just e-mailed Hubert having checked all three Allied nations. All builds for all three are verboten [:(]

Hartmann -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (12/3/2016 9:20:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 I've just e-mailed Hubert having checked all three Allied nations. All builds for all three are verboten [:(] On a positive note: This could maybe at least partially explain some posts here on the forums where players complain about the AI or that one side is "always" being totally overrun early. I frankly believed it most likely that people exaggerate plus overgeneralize something they saw in their very first game, but a bug in the purchase routine could go a long way in explaining some strange results.

n0kn0k -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (12/3/2016 10:08:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hartmann Never saw THAT either. What I often see, though, is entries in red where no explanation is given WHY these units aren't available just now when they WERE available before. I mean: The NORMAL case would be an asterisk with a short explanation why the unit isn't available yet in the window with the unit's picture. Until now I always thought I must have missed something in the manual, but now I'm beginning to think that there's bugs involved (with Warspite's screenshot being just a really extreme case). When the # is at (0) you can't buy anymore either.

Hartmann -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (12/3/2016 11:05:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: n0kn0k quote: ORIGINAL: Hartmann Never saw THAT either. What I often see, though, is entries in red where no explanation is given WHY these units aren't available just now when they WERE available before. I mean: The NORMAL case would be an asterisk with a short explanation why the unit isn't available yet in the window with the unit's picture. Until now I always thought I must have missed something in the manual, but now I'm beginning to think that there's bugs involved (with Warspite's screenshot being just a really extreme case). When the # is at (0) you can't buy anymore either. Yeah, but I know that one. [;)] It's sometimes like in Warspite's screenie, just not for all entries.

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (12/3/2016 1:05:37 PM)
12th August 1941 Okay, Hubert has worked his magic and we are back on [:)] Soviet Union With the problem fixed, the Soviets set about spending those MPP as quickly as possible. The reinforcements in September/October are almost 3 full lines deep (only one can be seen here) and there is also a mechanised unit unseen in November/December [image]local://upfiles/28156/EC9A2DD50EBC4A7384952BE8A6DBDF6D.jpg[/image]

Hartmann -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (12/3/2016 1:13:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 12th August 1941 Okay, Hubert has worked his magic and we are back on [:)] Soviet Union With the problem fixed, the Soviets set about spending those MPP as quickly as possible. The reinforcements in September/October are almost 3 full lines deep (only one can be seen here) and there is also a mechanised unit unseen in November/December [image]local://upfiles/28156/EC9A2DD50EBC4A7384952BE8A6DBDF6D.jpg[/image] Great! [:)] Did he by any chance say something about the cause of this?

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (12/3/2016 1:21:20 PM)
12th August 1941 United States The US continue maximising research. I think I will start building units from next turn. United Kingdom I make mistake. I start re-building the navy in the UK, totally forgetting out Egypt and promptly run out of MPP! What a moron.... I take the battered V Corps out of Alexandria and replace them with the Canadians. The Canadians are replaced in Cairo by the Australians. 2nd Armoured, having been further depleted by Egyptian rebels, are taken out of the front line. The RN in the Central Med can do nothing at present - not until they can be repaired. The 3rd Destroyer Flotilla and 1st Cruiser Squadron head for Gibraltar. Soviet Union With nothing to really do - not until I get some units at any rate - the Soviet manoeuvring is limited to the Northern Front - and 13th Army heads for Narva to try and block Army Group North from taking Leningrad.

Franciscus -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (12/3/2016 1:21:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hartmann quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 12th August 1941 Okay, Hubert has worked his magic and we are back on [:)] Soviet Union With the problem fixed, the Soviets set about spending those MPP as quickly as possible. The reinforcements in September/October are almost 3 full lines deep (only one can be seen here) and there is also a mechanised unit unseen in November/December [image]local://upfiles/28156/EC9A2DD50EBC4A7384952BE8A6DBDF6D.jpg[/image] Great! [:)] Did he by any chance say something about the cause of this? And, more importantly, when it will be patched ? [;)] [:D]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (12/3/2016 1:22:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hartmann quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 12th August 1941 Okay, Hubert has worked his magic and we are back on [:)] Soviet Union With the problem fixed, the Soviets set about spending those MPP as quickly as possible. The reinforcements in September/October are almost 3 full lines deep (only one can be seen here) and there is also a mechanised unit unseen in November/December Great! [:)] Did he by any chance say something about the cause of this? warspite1 I think a bug was accidentally introduced when fixing my earlier problem - so hopefully not something that needs patching.

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (12/3/2016 1:52:27 PM)
12th August 1941 Soviet Union Decision time - the Soviets are being asked by the British about a Persian invasion. I thought the British had been asked the same thing by the Soviets? Anyway, I say yes - hopefully the computer isn't going to take double the MPP....

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (12/3/2016 2:06:25 PM)
26th August 1941 Soviet Union More losses for the shell-shocked Red Army! I can't get used to an East Front map where there seem to be about five German units for every Soviet one! [image]local://upfiles/28156/195BBC1D02FC4E0A960C7EEB67407349.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (12/3/2016 2:22:35 PM)
26th August 1941 Soviet Union Northwestern Front - Voroshilov (Leningrad) 11th Army - Pskov 13th Army - Narva 14th Army - on their way to Luga 3rd Mechanised Corps (remnants) - making their way back to Pskov. Leningrad 2nd Reserve Corps [image]local://upfiles/28156/3AD0D960E76D4C4DA4BE837FE82C5DE4.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (12/3/2016 2:32:07 PM)
26th August 1941 Soviet Union Western Front - Timoshenko HQ (Smolensk) 22nd Army - Orsha 6th Corps - Vitebsk 27th Rifle Corps - Smolensk Air Force 1st Fighter Group - Smolensk 2nd Fighter Group - Smolensk Moscow 2nd Corps Reserve Corps Armoured Train [To the tune by Talking Heads] We're on the road to Moscow.... [image]local://upfiles/28156/41E1BD9AE7564807A1EA2722B402B344.jpg[/image]

Hartmann -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (12/3/2016 3:01:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 26th August 1941 Soviet Union More losses for the shell-shocked Red Army! I can't get used to an East Front map where there seem to be about five German units for every Soviet one! The relation in numbers of units will change soon. I have to refrain from giving you tips, but there are ways to conserve most of your troops until Winter strikes while not giving more ground than necessary . [;)]

Franciscus -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (12/3/2016 3:34:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 26th August 1941 Soviet Union Western Front - Timoshenko HQ (Smolensk) 22nd Army - Orsha 6th Corps - Vitebsk 27th Rifle Corps - Smolensk Air Force 1st Fighter Group - Smolensk 2nd Fighter Group - Smolensk Moscow 2nd Corps Reserve Corps Armoured Train [To the tune by Talking Heads] We're on the road to Moscow.... [image]local://upfiles/28156/41E1BD9AE7564807A1EA2722B402B344.jpg[/image] Looking at your screenshots it certainly does not look nothing at all like Barbarossa...It looks more akin to a desert campaign, seeing the scarcity of units on the soviet side. Maybe the scale of the map does not fit so well with the scale of the game (namely as whole "armies" occupy a single hex in the vastness of empty space...[:D]) I've bought the game and started playing as axis, but it has not yet "clicked" to me, let's see how it goes...

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (12/3/2016 7:18:20 PM)
26th August 1941 Soviet Union Southern and Southwestern Front 9th Corps - Rostov 77th Corps - Stalingrad Sevastopol Corps - Sevastopol (note to self: I really must rename some of these.....) Air Force 3rd Fighter Group - Chernigov 123rd Medium Bomber Group - Chernigov [image]local://upfiles/28156/3FA26B26CF684DE7A1C9E192D7F78F88.jpg[/image]

loki100 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (12/3/2016 7:22:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Franciscus ... Looking at your screenshots it certainly does not look nothing at all like Barbarossa...It looks more akin to a desert campaign, seeing the scarcity of units on the soviet side. Maybe the scale of the map does not fit so well with the scale of the game (namely as whole "armies" occupy a single hex in the vastness of empty space...[:D]) I've bought the game and started playing as axis, but it has not yet "clicked" to me, let's see how it goes... I thought that, but there are two in-game controls. First the axis advance is relatively slow so its not like WiTE where all that vacant space would be over-run. Second rails and key junctions seem to matter (more like RuS as an eg), so you can defend in the south by occupying key hexes

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (12/3/2016 7:28:54 PM)
26th August 1941 Soviet Union The Soviets research Aerial Warfare and advanced aircraft. The remaining MPP is spent on a Shock Army, an Army and a Corps. The Baltic Fleet, are ordered to the Estonian coast and bombard German positions (XXVI Infantry Corps) around the town of Parnu with some success. United Kingdom The British position in Egypt is becoming critical. I think the sensible thing to do would have been to give up Alexandria, but in not doing so I am gradually losing battle after battle - the air war especially. All MPP have gone to try and reinforce whatever I possibly can.... which isn't much. [image]local://upfiles/28156/CE4F4DC59F75401881F0C96E1F8D5D33.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (12/3/2016 7:58:05 PM)
9th September 1941 AI Turn Another thoroughly depressing turn for the Allied cause.... The loss of Alexandria causes National Morale to sink further. [image]local://upfiles/28156/4A5E5D0C0A0149188D82F93A614738A1.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (12/3/2016 8:00:51 PM)
9th September 1941 United Kingdom The British are asked if they want to prepare HMS Campbeltown for Operation Chariot - an audacious raid on the French port of St Nazaire in order to blow up the Normandie dock - the only dry dock in France capable of housing the Tirpitz. Yes please! United Kingdom Meanwhile the Canadians get their first consignment of tanks in Halifax. USA The American air force starts to build with the delivery of a fighter unit in New York Soviet Union The Soviets get an HQ (Rostov), a fighter Group (Narva), a Garrison (Kursk) and four corps (Bryansk, Rzhev, Orel and Stalino) - just in the nick of time, but just not enough surely?

Malor -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (12/3/2016 11:57:20 PM)
Warspite, Thanks for the great AAR. Excellent added details make it "live". Malor

Hartmann -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (12/4/2016 1:02:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Malor Warspite, Thanks for the great AAR. Excellent added details make it "live". Malor It's strange - since a few years or so I totally switched from reading written AARs to watching youtube letsplays. Coming back to the written format with Warspite's AAR I suddenly realize how much fun those reports still can be if done right.

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (12/4/2016 5:36:31 AM)
Cheers guys [:)]. One thing I wish I had added more commentary on is the MPP position of each country - as this brings into focus what each is and isn't capable of. I will add this detail in going forward.

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (12/4/2016 5:38:32 AM)
9th September 1941 MPP Position: UK - 127 US - 363 USSR - 667 Soviet Union After reinforcing what it can the Soviets have 460 MPP left and uses this to purchase an HQ and a Garrison. I cannot see there is anything really to do with the Soviets at this stage. Each city that is defended, is defended by a unit that is isolated and set upon by 5 or 6 German units that destroy it. I don't want to fall back though because I need time for reinforcements to come. Northwest Front I have been luckier here as, despite the lack of units, the Germans appear to be thin on the ground too. However that has just changed as I can see at least 4 German units about to assault Pskov. The only good thing is that the tank unit I can see is down to 5-strength so maybe the town won't get taken this turn [sm=innocent0001.gif] Western Front With the fall of Vitebsk and Orsha I have just one corps defending Smolensk - and that is pretty much it until Moscow.... Southern and Southwest Fronts With the Germans fully across the Dneipr, they appear to be racing for the Don. The upper Don looks most perilous as there is literally nothing in Belgorod or Kharkov... Further south I have the 21st Rifle Corps in Stalino but that is it until Rostov. United Kingdom I launched an attack with my trusty Blenheims against the Afrika Korps northwest of Cairo but the 202 Group was completely wiped out by the German air force. Its difficult to see what I can do here. Having destroyed the German tanks I thought I might have blunted their effort but the remaining units appear unhindered by this loss. All units are depleted and most sit in the Nile Delta and await their fate. The Aussies of the 6th and 7th Divisions man Cairo. I have enough MPP left to partially reinforce the destroyers and cruisers that reached Gibraltar. USA The US switch to building units and an Army and an AA unit are placed on the production chart.

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (12/4/2016 6:22:44 AM)
23rd September 1941 MPP Position UK - 159 USA - 248 USSR - 655 There are U-boats (probably) or raiders about, and have been for a while now. However I have too few destroyers to do anything about this. [image]local://upfiles/28156/9B30D32DEABE45E99DD08C8C5275D42D.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (12/4/2016 6:23:57 AM)
23rd September 1941 AI Turn This was a very poor turn for a number of reasons: - In Egypt there was a sandstorm blowing. Despite this the German Army was able - without a single loss to itself - to reduce the Aussie defenders of Cairo to Strength 4. - In the Baltic the Soviet fleet was found by a German fleet consisting of a battleship, cruiser squadron and destroyer flotilla. As can be seen below, the cruisers Kirov and Maxim Gorkiy did not survive the encounter.... - My one 'bright' spot on the Eastern Front was opposite Army Group North. However, Von Leeb too has arrived in large numbers and the defenders of Pskov are shortly to shuffle off this mortal coil - When units unexpectedly come into contact with the enemy they normally suffer some loss. That is no longer the case with German units who simply laugh at their attackers, following which the latter melt into a heap of mush.... [image]local://upfiles/28156/51A99D9CCA6E465CA64091288EE9CADF.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (12/4/2016 6:29:40 AM)
23rd September 1941 Soviet Union Some more reinforcements arrive. Sadly there is only one army and I place this in Kaluga to try and threaten the German flanks as they march on Moscow. The remaining garrisons are dotted around the landscape to act as minor speed bumps for the Wehrmacht steamroller to flatten..... I spend MPP on bringing the defenders of Pskov up to strength and then order the 12th Mechanised Corps to take up position on their left flank. Hopefully this way I can reduce the number of attacks possible against Pskov - although whether it makes any difference or not is another matter.... Meanwhile Admiral Tributs and the the World War I-vintage battleships of the Baltic Fleet are ordered on a last hurrah. However they fail to find the German Fleet - which appears to have withdrawn - but do find a destroyer flotilla, which they set about reducing "there's life in the old seadog yet" says Tributs, sounding awfully like Captain Redbeard Rum... The submarines of the 1st Submarine Brigade cannot reach the action having wasted moves trying to locate the German battleship. Its grim oooop north... [image]local://upfiles/28156/1814ECB45BB141A7AC03613A65B14061.jpg[/image]

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