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warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 8:40:05 AM)

1st July 1941

Then the other stuff

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Somewhere in there during the AI turn that I was trying to keep up with as the turn was progressing:

- the British and Canadians received some Destroyers for Bases units
- Some aircraft were delivered I think to the UK
- Egypt exploded with units - those 150 tanks I spoke about arrived - as did the Kiwis and Aussies (albeit not full strength)
- There was some diplomatic success in Spain

There may have been other stuff too that I can't recall. That was a busy turn!



warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 8:59:53 AM)

1st July 1941

Time to take stock I think. I will need to take my time over this next turn.

The Italian Fleet have turned up en masse off the Greek coast - just as the RN divided its forces.

The British in Egypt need looking at- I've no idea what it there.

The Soviet front is a mystery.



warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 9:30:50 AM)

1st July 1941

Reports

I don't want to spend too much time on the reports. I do not like the way they try and present information and in some cases do not even know what I am looking at. I searched 'reports' in the manual but came up with nothing that helps.

So looking at the report below, what does this tell me? I have three columns - land, air and naval - and assume that these are my current total forces? But what do the bars on the left mean? Why not have a legend to explain?

There is also a losses page that sets information out in a similar way. Again, no legend. So France has lost just over 20 land. What is that 20? Presumably total units of all types.

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warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 9:43:11 AM)

1st July 1941

Reports (cont)

There is also a detailed losses screen which I find more interesting as I can see exactly what I have lost. That said I am not sure its right.

According to this the UK have lost 3 HQ. They lost Gort in France and O'Connor in Egypt - what was the third one?

They have lost 3 armies. They lost the BEF in France and the Western Desert Force in Egypt - what was the third one?

They have lost 10 Corps. They lost three in France, one in Egypt - where have the other six come from?

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n0kn0k -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 9:51:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

1st July 1941

Reports (cont)

There is also a detailed losses screen which I find more interesting as I can see exactly what I have lost. That said I am not sure its right.

According to this the UK have lost 3 HQ. They lost Gort in France and O'Connor in Egypt - what was the third one?

They have lost 3 armies. They lost the BEF in France and the Western Desert Force in Egypt - what was the third one?

They have lost 10 Corps. They lost three in France, one in Egypt - where have the other six come from?


They count the minors like Greece and Netherlands, Belgium etc. Each is assigned to a major party.



warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 9:56:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: n0kn0k

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

1st July 1941

Reports (cont)

There is also a detailed losses screen which I find more interesting as I can see exactly what I have lost. That said I am not sure its right.

According to this the UK have lost 3 HQ. They lost Gort in France and O'Connor in Egypt - what was the third one?

They have lost 3 armies. They lost the BEF in France and the Western Desert Force in Egypt - what was the third one?

They have lost 10 Corps. They lost three in France, one in Egypt - where have the other six come from?


They count the minors like Greece and Netherlands, Belgium etc. Each is assigned to a major party.

warspite1

Does it explain that and I've just missed it? Either way, I think there should be a separate column for these.



warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 10:00:41 AM)

1st July 1941

Graphs

Of far more interest are the Graphs of which there are 7 - such as the one below

[image]local://upfiles/28156/58719DB110184DBC97430B55FB9F4EF3.jpg[/image]



warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 10:03:32 AM)

1st July 1941

Graphs (Cont)

The only one I am unsure of is this one - what is this telling me?

[image]local://upfiles/28156/8A534D3F62054464B56C8DC3F036DF1A.jpg[/image]



Orm -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 12:07:42 PM)

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Er is the Pope a Catholic....

No. He is Italian.



operating -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 12:50:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Orm

quote:

Er is the Pope a Catholic....

No. He is Italian.

Actually he is from Argentina (Pope Francis)....



Orm -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 1:01:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: operating


quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm

quote:

Er is the Pope a Catholic....

No. He is Italian.

Actually he is from Argentina (Pope Francis)....


Oh no! Do we have a antipope again? [;)]

Pius XII is the current Pope and he was born in Rome. He has reigned since 2 March 1939.

A Argentinian pope... well... I never... *stomps away muttering*



operating -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 1:20:44 PM)

Warspite
In SCWWI the production screen held a number of units preselected by the devs usually dated with deployment location for release by each country. Might it be the same in SC3? You seem surprised by a number of unit dumps.



warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 3:38:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: operating

Warspite
In SCWWI the production screen held a number of units preselected by the devs usually dated with deployment location for release by each country. Might it be the same in SC3? You seem surprised by a number of unit dumps.
warspite1

I can only assume you are referring to my comment re the British in Egypt. If so these are not on the production screen (at least I don't think so). They were added as a result of decisions - not purchases - which is why they may not have been on the production screen.



warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 4:07:17 PM)

1st July 1941

Research

Probably an area of the game where jumping straight in didn't pay dividends.

At one stage I was at my maximum 2000 MPP with the British but that has tailed off dramatically as the need for units, reinforcement and upgrade has become more acute. I have not followed a consistent plan with any country - the USSR mainly because they had no MPP!

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warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 4:10:36 PM)

1st July 1941

Research (Cont)

I like this table - it is simple but very functional - and I can see at-a-glance what is what. Like the fact I desperately need Infantry weapons for the Soviets! I was surprised I hadn't got ASW with the British although a look at the first table shows they are almost there.

[image]local://upfiles/28156/20FBB4A2DD4A452D885093C3F256C6F8.jpg[/image]



warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 4:18:30 PM)

1st July 1941

Diplomacy

The only country I have been spending any money on is Spain - as the Allies spent a lot on keeping Spain sweet in WWII.

The ones I am most interested - but at the same time very wary of - are the Vichy countries. Firstly I don't understand how individual Vichy countries can have a separate % and secondly I am really curious to know what it takes for Vichy (and Spain for that matter) to align with Germany and what the effects are if they do.

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warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 4:25:29 PM)

1st July 1941

War Maps

The convoy map - which caused the game to crash previously - now appears to be working again. This is really useful for seeing where one's units are - I didn't realise a Soviet convoy route had opened!

[image]local://upfiles/28156/F8F843EEC4944451BBF6F4971191D672.jpg[/image]



warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 4:29:00 PM)

1st July 1941

War Maps (cont)

The Strategy Map is quite useful too, functioning as a mini-map to aid getting to units quickly.

[image]local://upfiles/28156/04B6E9966D5E49F9908EAFF4B2F53060.jpg[/image]



warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 4:35:00 PM)

1st July 1941

United Kingdom
The situation in the Near East. The XIII Indian Corps, having landed in Basra, are heading towards Baghdad in the valley between the Tigris and the Euphrates to put down the revolt. No idea what to expect there. I send a weak fighter unit there to try and get some reconnaissance.

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warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 4:44:01 PM)

1st July 1941

United Kingdom
The situation in North Africa. Following the flurry of reinforcement activity last turn General Auchinleck, who replaced Wavell last month) now has under his command:

Commander in Chief Middle East - General Sir Claude Auchinleck

8th Army
V Inf Corps
1st (Canadian) Inf Corps
7th Armoured Division
10th Armoured Division

Attached units
Anti-Aircraft

Reserve Formations (mostly weak and/or forming)
New Zealand Corps
Australian Corps

Attached units
Anti-Tank
Field Artillery
Reconnaissance

Cairo Garrison
Jeruselem Garrison

Desert Air Force
1 x Fighter wing
2 x Tactical bomber wing

[image]local://upfiles/28156/94130D4E5E5E487F8E0E30E102B58EFD.jpg[/image]



warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 5:22:30 PM)

1st July 1941

United Kingdom / Greece

Typical. When the Regia Marina finally come out, the RN units are separated from each other and readiness is suspect. I don't want to run from a battle but I don't want to lose a fight with the RM either.

The Greeks are on their last legs as the Germans close in on Athens.
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warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 5:32:37 PM)

1st July 1941

Soviet Union
Northwestern Front

Where are my units - part II? The good news is the Soviets have 785 MPP Hussah!

[image]local://upfiles/28156/48A35E1A982243AB8D9E87D0708688DF.jpg[/image]



warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 5:36:26 PM)

1st July 1941

Soviet Union
Western Front

There are more units in this vital sector - and the pocket created west of Brest-Litovsk is useful to waste time and hold the Germans up.

[image]local://upfiles/28156/9CAB543B23724C2F9DE05CD41848272C.jpg[/image]



warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 5:39:54 PM)

1st July 1941

Soviet Union
Southern and Southwestern Fronts

I need a big performance from the IV Rifle Corps defending Odessa. The Ukraine looks like ideal tank country.....

[image]local://upfiles/28156/BA4E21CDBC074B378531BC7E8B334C14.jpg[/image]



Chickenboy -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 5:55:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1
The Ukraine looks like ideal tank country.....


Jeepers! You think? Keen insight. [:'(]

ETA: This just in: the world is round, water is wet and the Bismarck was scuttled!



warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 6:02:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1
The Ukraine looks like ideal tank country.....


Jeepers! You think? Keen insight. [:'(]

ETA: This just in: the world is round, water is wet and the Bismarck was scuttled!
warspite1

Thank-you. I was of course aware of the scuttling of the German ship but I had no idea about the sphere-like nature of planet earth and the physical constituency of water. Thank-you Chickenboy for your contribution to this AAR [&o].



sapper32 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 9:34:23 PM)

Shame about O'Conner getting captured that could be a real blow for operations in the WD,Glad your running through this as im getting loads of tips about what to expect great job Warspite1 keep it coming.




Hotschi -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 9:56:56 PM)

One the positive side, you're doing way better in Egypt than me - last turn I lost the 7th Armoured and my beloved Australian Corps, both annihilated [:(] - I doubt I can hold Egypt in my game.

Looking at your research, maybe you should research both Infantry Weapons and Infantry Warfare, Command & Control and increase Anti-Submarine Warfare research. It really helps a lot in preventing the Subs to evade and dive, believe me.



warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/29/2016 6:07:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hotschi

One the positive side, you're doing way better in Egypt than me - last turn I lost the 7th Armoured and my beloved Australian Corps, both annihilated [:(] - I doubt I can hold Egypt in my game.

Looking at your research, maybe you should research both Infantry Weapons and Infantry Warfare, Command & Control and increase Anti-Submarine Warfare research. It really helps a lot in preventing the Subs to evade and dive, believe me.
warspite1

Yes I shall look more closely at research now.

As for Egypt, a lot of those units are at less than full strength. I will be lucky to hold the Germans I think based purely on what I have seen so far. I should have been busy with Engineers me thinks [&:]



warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/29/2016 6:13:03 PM)

1st July 1941

United Kingdom
The badly depleted U-boat wolfpack off the West African coast escapes. The British 1st Escort Flotilla, ordered into the Bay of Biscay to try and hunt it down, comes across another wolfpack - but comes off worse in the engagement.

In the Mediterranean the Royal Navy continues to come off worst. The 1st Submarine Flotilla attacks the old battleship Andrea Doria but has to retreat back to Malta after coming off worst in that encounter. The battleships of the Mediterranean Fleet bombard the Italian HQ in Benghazi, but again they suffer losses in exchange for taking out 4 MPP.

I cannot risk the RN against the entire RM and the remaining ships make a partial withdrawal to the southeast.

[image]local://upfiles/28156/4E4BBB0C69ED4E85938268F2DA042A8E.jpg[/image]



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