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AndyG1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 6:53:59 PM)
Loving your aar, so good you made me buy the game!

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 6:54:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: operating quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 25th August 1940 United Kingdom Our diplomatic efforts against Spain are having some effect (10%), although Operation Menace proved something of a flop and the battleship Resolution is torpedoed in the process. Operation Menace was something new to me and perhaps to others. warspite1 I would urge anyone interested in WWII, but who perhaps until now has concentrated on the more well known aspects e.g. Barbarossa, The Pacific War, The Battle of Britain, to take a look at the whole - Vichy / Spain / Italy 'thing'. The whole Mediterranean theatre (inc North and West Africa and the Middle East) is fascinating.

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 6:55:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AndyG1 Loving your aar, so good you made me buy the game! warspite1 That's nice to hear. Missed you on the AB thread! [;)]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 7:40:44 PM)
4th April 1941 AI Turn The brave Yugoslavs finally lose their battle with the Axis and Belgrade falls. United Kingdom The British build a maritime bomber, a CVL and an army. USA The US devote all 400+ MPP to research USSR The USSR seems to have got a nice windfall MPP wise. Armoured Warfare and Artillery Weapons are researched.

Hotschi -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 7:51:03 PM)
Nice AAR! How's your supply situation in Egypt? I am currently playing turn 3rd March '41, and I am unable to raise supply levels in Egypt above 5 (Malta is still British).

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 7:53:10 PM)
4th April 1941 Allies The US start patrolling the North Atlantic in the west. The Mediterranean reinforcements continue their slow journey to Egypt. The Allied destroyers continue their search for u-boats. United Kingdom The Germans have arrived in Libya in force! Those reinforcements can't come soon enough.... [image]local://upfiles/28156/9A3E75140EF14ED3864A0A50EBDDE84F.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 7:56:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hotschi Nice AAR! How's your supply situation in Egypt? I am currently playing turn 3rd March '41, and I am unable to raise supply levels in Egypt above 5 (Malta is still British). warspite1 I'm the same except my two units manning the Libyan/Egyptian border. These are at supply level 6 and 7. I am hoping they are sufficiently entrenched such that they can re-buff the Afrika Korps.....

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 7:59:48 PM)
4th April 1941 The US allow the British to use their ports.... which was nice [;)]

Hotschi -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 8:02:00 PM)
Thanks for the fast response - I already thought I am doing something wrong.

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 8:09:07 PM)
26th April 1941 United Kingdom The Afrika Korps appears to contain considerably more units than it did in real life.... The British troops defending Egypt could well be surrounded before relief arrives. I've reinforced the Western Desert Force which had been reduced to a '3' by the panzers, but of course this means they cannot move. Meanwhile an Italian submarine flotilla has found the Mediterranean Fleet. [image]local://upfiles/28156/79E1771C4C7245BA843819A141025CCB.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 8:09:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hotschi Thanks for the fast response - I already thought I am doing something wrong. warspite1 Maybe we both are because I may be about to get creamed here [X(]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 8:32:18 PM)
18th May 1941 AI Turn The Axis declare war on Greece and, just as in Yugoslavia, they start to go through the defenders like a knife through butter. [image]local://upfiles/28156/DF20EF7264B34978B5B428905AA8FCE6.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 8:34:40 PM)
18th May 1941 United Kingdom As expected the Afrika Korps is just too strong. They have two fighter units too and the British fighters continue to be knocked out of the sky with ease. I must have played too conservatively and should have brought my infantry to the desert immediately - but then that would have left the UK open to Sea Lion. Maybe my tech focus has been wrong too? [image]local://upfiles/28156/C458197B4A924B4F84C67A862C75B6A4.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 9:00:53 PM)
18th May 1941 United Kingdom The Admiralty orders the fast convoy to Egypt as fast as possible - even if that means losing their escort. In so doing, the breakaway transports come across a seemingly unescorted Italian troop convoy. The 1st Submarine Flotilla is ordered to the area. [image]local://upfiles/28156/F98BD4151EF841C99309FA36B6173545.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 9:17:22 PM)
18th May 1941 United Kingdom A couple of escort flotillas off the African coast finally corner a wolf pack, reducing it to 4-strength. Given what is about to happen in Egypt, I am delighted with this result [:)] HMS Exeter delivers the death blow to the Italian 1st Army.... ....except she didn't. The indicator was showing a 0:7 loss. Instead the convoy is untouched as 'damage evaded' came up. Seriously?.... ....so I sent in the battleships Valiant and Malaya... ....and the result was 'damage evaded' and the transport moved north east.... ....so I sent in the 1st Destroyer Flotilla and they sank 4 points... ....so I sent in the Greek navy from Salonika - and they finally sank the transport!! [X(] [image]local://upfiles/28156/24469DA34C3F4F4791BFEE911F8552B8.jpg[/image]

xwormwood -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 9:20:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 18th May 1941 United Kingdom As expected the Afrika Korps is just too strong. They have two fighter units too and the British fighters continue to be knocked out of the sky with ease. I must have played too conservatively and should have brought my infantry to the desert immediately - but then that would have left the UK open to Sea Lion. Maybe my tech focus has been wrong too? [image]local://upfiles/28156/C458197B4A924B4F84C67A862C75B6A4.jpg[/image] I don't think that your tech focus is the problem. It looks like you moved too far out of Egypt with too weak forces, and as if you stayed a bit too long out there once you met strong opposition, and that this brought you into this dangerous situation. A retreat to the El Alamein line is no shame.

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 9:44:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Xwormwood quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 18th May 1941 United Kingdom As expected the Afrika Korps is just too strong. They have two fighter units too and the British fighters continue to be knocked out of the sky with ease. I must have played too conservatively and should have brought my infantry to the desert immediately - but then that would have left the UK open to Sea Lion. Maybe my tech focus has been wrong too? [image]local://upfiles/28156/C458197B4A924B4F84C67A862C75B6A4.jpg[/image] I don't think that your tech focus is the problem. It looks like you moved too far out of Egypt with too weak forces, and as if you stayed a bit too long out there once you met strong opposition, and that this brought you into this dangerous situation. A retreat to the El Alamein line is no shame. warspite1 Well they never actually left Egypt as they could not even beat the Italian defenders on the Libyan border (which made me think its a research problem). Then once the British units were there - and entrenching - I thought they should hold with the air force and navy's help. I didn't realise the Afrika Korps would be so big either - that caught me out. But hey, we live and learn! No retreat possible so it looks like Egypt is lost.

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 9:51:26 PM)
18th May 1941 United Kingdom The Greek front looks as positive as everywhere else [:(] The Epirus Army and 1st Corps try and make a stand in the mountains north of Athens, but eastern Greece, around Salonika is about to be overrun. Greece is the word its got grove its got meaning..... [image]local://upfiles/28156/D01B67EBCDC942E18A9C0622CD6A36C2.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 6:49:35 AM)
9th June 1941 AI Turn The Germans invade the Soviet Union. That's an interesting one. The Germans are still fighting in Greece, they have a large presence in North Africa AND they have just started to kick down the whole rotten edifice of the Soviet Union [X(] And there's revolt in Iraq! I need to launch Operation Sabine - but that is going to cost. Oh well, as said before I will do what was done historically and see what happens. [image]local://upfiles/28156/28BC072421204936BF67E649E2181791.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 6:50:06 AM)
9th June 1941 Soviet Union The Soviets have a decision to make - not that I see there is a decision to be made. Would they like to transfer industry to the Urals or have it nicked by the Germans? Er.... I'll take the former approach thank-you [;)] A re-cap of what's happened in the last turn then. [image]local://upfiles/28156/6A9D93C9935548478F269A967A1D57D5.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 6:57:17 AM)
9th June 1941 And the military losses too: - As expected the Soviet border units take a pounding (the Soviets are strangely lacking in units - I have no spare MPP but there is nothing in the way of Army Group North for example?? - Salonika and the whole of eastern Greece is lost - O'connor has been captured and the whole of Wavell's 30,000 have been or are about to go into the bag [image]local://upfiles/28156/7D85FC160E9F430884B0CDA10D7C1CF6.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 7:00:05 AM)
9th June 1941 United Kingdom 2nd Army and the VI Infantry Corps arrive as reinforcements in the UK Meanwhile at sea, I guessed the wounded wolf pack detected off the West African coast would try and head for Spain. I guessed right but the attack by the 2nd Destroyer Flotilla was wholly ineffective and costly for the British. The 4th Canadian Escort Flotilla came to the rescue and have reduced the U-boat to a '2' strength. Here is the sorry picture from North Africa: The potentially good news is that the British IV and Canadian 1st Infantry Corps have landed in Alexandria. However the Nile Delta is looking pretty sparse when it comes to troops. Where are those 150 tanks I requested previously?? The Mediterranean Fleet remains at sea in case the Axis try and reinforce their troops in Libya/Egypt further. If the British think they can win this they are in de-Nile....see what I did there? [8\|] [image]local://upfiles/28156/BB0521D88F8C4F7898D9706209DA0158.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 7:28:58 AM)
9th June 1941 So what is going on in the Soviet Union? Answer: absolutely no idea. So I buy two Corps as I must have units and I really don't seem to have too many. Northwest Front - Colonel-General F.I Kuznetsov This map shows the current position. This does not look like this because the Soviets lost a load of units - there simply weren't any units to lose [&:] I cannot see any reason to move the units currently in place as all they will do is lose entrenchment, although 23rd Army (what the hell is it doing there - it should be in the north??) will try and head for Daugavpils (Dvinsk). The Soviets don't give a Baltics for their newly acquired territory it seems.... [image]local://upfiles/28156/076E1023DFEA44E689224EEDB5639F5B.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 7:43:31 AM)
9th June 1941 West Front - Colonel-General D.G Pavlov This is weird! Here is the Bialystok pocket. Even allowing for the fact that the Soviets have taken some losses (and as seen above, not that many) there seems to be a rather shocking disparity in forces [&:] Weirdest looking Soviet front I've ever seen... [image]local://upfiles/28156/6893B6E9F6E046CDA868397996398A6D.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 7:58:59 AM)
9th June 1941 Southwest Front - Lt-General M.P Kirponos The Germans are looking to create a pocket centred on Lvov. I will try and retreat with whatever I can here. Where are the Soviets? [image]local://upfiles/28156/4DB09BE2608D4BAC9F86D6AC5915D1BD.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 8:04:27 AM)
9th June 1941 Southern Front - General I.V Tyulenev And I have nothing to say about the Southern Front.... Well maybe the Soviets start to get a ton of reinforcements or something but right now I am at something of a loss to understand what I am supposed to be doing. [image]local://upfiles/28156/641E5B4EC55A47AEA1B08F08963E3832.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 8:17:17 AM)
9th June 1941 United Kingdom Before ending the turn I thought I would take the 1st Cruiser Squadron on a patrol of the North African coast. I came across the damaged Italian sub and an HQ in Benghazi. I called down my two destroyer flotillas to attack the sub - but despite the advantage, neither caused any damage and one was hit in return. I then detached Valiant and Malaya to bombard the HQ - but it too scored no hit but was damaged in return. 2 MPP were destroyed however. [image]local://upfiles/28156/394BFC84DE81449B9182673DAA55A035.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 8:20:24 AM)
9th June 1941 United Kingdom I have a decision to make - do I want to give funding to the SOE to 'Set Europe Ablaze"? I answer yes, that would be spiffing, I'll make a nice packed lunch. United States Does the US want to send supplies to the USSR via the Pacific? Er is the Pope a Catholic.... USSR Hello - the Soviets order full mobilisation - maybe I'll get some troops United Kingdom Bloody Hell - I'm sprouting units in Egypt!

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 8:34:45 AM)
1st July 1941 United States Decision time. Do the United States want to supply the British in the desert with armour at a cost of 50 MPP for 4 turns? YES [;)] Soviet Union Do the Soviets wish to impose 'harsh discipline'. Oooh I say, cheeky! But seriously the answer is yes. [image]local://upfiles/28156/94F992F307AE4F23A5F1D0B87F523A0E.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/27/2016 8:39:24 AM)
1st July 1941 So a recap of what has happened. Firstly the combat losses [image]local://upfiles/28156/6F80E80E2B8C497EB87968E4378F828E.jpg[/image]

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