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warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/24/2016 10:26:24 PM)
25th August 1940 United States And the US too. [image]local://upfiles/28156/B76709B99F2046F1B075091D7071BBE1.jpg[/image]

marklv -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/24/2016 11:07:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 11th August 1940 United Kingdom The British are asked if they would like to support the Free French. This is a no-brainer but the notes contained an odd line. Lorraine is an old battleship?? Anyways... I of course say yes - especially the way Colonel De Gaulle handled those Somuas! There is also another no-brainer. Do the British want to take over France's orders for aircraft? Er yes please. It'll cost 25 MPP and they are probably rubbish - but its numbers I need right now! [image]local://upfiles/28156/C640DA5624D440A28B75A158B8D03FFF.jpg[/image] Not being able to display the REAL WW2 German flag really detracts from the historical value of the game. I can see why they do it - displaying the swastika would automatically make the game illegal in several countries, including Germany itself, but even so!

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/25/2016 6:15:18 AM)
25th August 1940 United Kingdom One of the German wolf packs, strangely appears off the Shetlands. I dispatch the 1st and 2nd Destroyer Flotillas to investigate but neither can reach. Meanwhile the badly mauled 4th Flotilla makes port in Northern Ireland. The Canadian flotillas maintain their vigil in the western Atlantic. The 2nd Submarine Flotilla goes back on patrol in the confined waters of the Skaggerak. [image]local://upfiles/28156/B4A06683AFAC465D92174F36E27B79B4.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 4:06:58 AM)
25th August 1940 United Kingdom I upgrade many towns and ports with AA weaponry - including Malta, Alexandria, London and Gibraltar. The garrisons in London, Belfast, Malta and Egypt are also upgraded. In the Western Desert the British start to mass on the border. Attacks still look out of the question - as does shore bombardment. Pull up to the border baby, In your long black limousine.... [image]local://upfiles/28156/47D34A1069C14C32A48C3B7B91A435AA.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 4:16:02 AM)
25th August 1940 Allies The Allies reject any notion of surrender. The war continues.... [image]local://upfiles/28156/BABAB47044314BD8901633BD4DA5698A.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 4:27:19 AM)
25th August 1940 United Kingdom Decision time again. In line with my previous rationale I say yes to Operation Menace. The Royal Navy gather what ships it can spare for the operation under the command of Vice-Admiral John Cunningham. [image]local://upfiles/28156/45C17038FC1B4229983F892E30BFDD23.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 4:31:23 AM)
25th August 1940 United Kingdom Our diplomatic efforts against Spain are having some effect (10%), although Operation Menace proved something of a flop and the battleship Resolution is torpedoed in the process. [image]local://upfiles/28156/72C05D51EA824CABB7FE86965F667793.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 4:38:17 AM)
8th September 1940 From the limited amount that my border guards can see, the Germans appear to be moving units east of the San River. Stalin is being kept up to date with these developments, although he seems to be completely relaxed about it..... Lots of border shifting shenanigans in the Balkans... Don't worry guys, Adolf will mediate on your behalf. [image]local://upfiles/28156/B2D66120DC6A4191AC3F42BE1B472826.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 4:44:07 AM)
8th September 1940 United Kingdom Some of the reinforcements mentioned previously start to arrive. The Canadian 1st Infantry Corps is placed in Halifax and a garrison for Alexandria arrives in Egypt. More MPP (50) are spent trying to entice Spain toward the Allied way of thinking, while the remainder of the British MPP are spent on further upgrades of ports and ships. Soviet Union The 1st Engineers arrive in the Soviet Union and are placed in Vinnitsa. There seems to be nothing for the Soviets to upgrade or reinforce at present. USA The US research armoured warfare and aerial warfare.

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 5:05:02 AM)
22nd September 1940 More German movement in the east detected, this time around the Bialystok salient. Stalin makes polite enquiry of Adolf Hitler, who explains that the troops are being placed in the east outside of British bombing range and er they are on manoeuvres getting ready for an attack against the UK. Content with that explanation, Uncle Joe sits back in his chair, cigar in hand, a wide, self-satisfied grin emerging from ear to ear. Apparently in the Far East the Japanese have march into French Indo-China.

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 5:10:46 AM)
22nd September 1940 United Kingdom Some more, much needed reinforcements arrive, including two new infantry corps and some tanks. IV Corps - based in London V Corps - based in Bristol XXX (Armoured) Corps - Bedford The British continue trying to upgrade and reinforce whatever they can. Elements of the Mediterranean Fleet are upgraded as are a couple of British destroyer flotillas (and I start making arrangements for others to head back to port for similar treatment). The 2nd Submarine Flotilla continues to do sterling work in the Skaggerak and another 12 MPP are destroyed. United States The US get a CVL in Boston. The British defences are looking a little better than they did a few turns ago... [image]local://upfiles/28156/A4A89A04F94F4286A2BAFC62B30785FC.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 5:42:14 AM)
14th October 1940 Strange turn. Nothing much happened really, no reinforcements, little military activity and no decisions. The Germans finally decided to do something about the 2nd Submarine Flotilla, which was set upon by two ASW units, but managed to dive before the second attack hit home. Interesting though that the one attack by the Germans was far more costly (3 points) than anything the British have achieved against the German u-boats. As for MPP spending. The US spent on research, the Soviets are still in saving mode and the British are still upgrading and reinforcing whatever they can. The 1st Canadian Infantry Corps is on its way to Blighty. Meanwhile in Narvik, Rupertforce finally got to the coast but I was only able to put it on Amphibious transport. Lets see how that works out....

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 6:14:59 AM)
5th November 1940 United Kingdom Mmmmm - an Italian human torpedo attack reduces the 4th Cruiser Squadron to strength 5..... I am beginning to sense this game is somewhat loaded in the Axis favour. However I will try and keep such thoughts to one side - its far too early to jump to conclusions... No.13 Fighter Group has formed and is in Scotland having completed its training. It will head south to Newcastle in due course.

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 6:15:26 AM)
5th November 1940 Hungary joins the Axis. United Kingdom The British continue their policy of improving existing units rather than buying new. The Mediterranean Fleet sails for Libya and pounds the Italian army with limited results (although the port of Bardia was damaged courtesy of the 8-inch guns of the 3rd Cruiser Squadron. USSR The Soviets research advanced tanks.

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 8:50:28 AM)
27th November 1940 AI turn The U-boats are back [:@] Romania joins the Axis. The troops are delighted and want to know when they get to invade Hungary..... The Italian HQ in Libya moves away from the coast. The German build up in southeastern Poland and elsewhere in the east continues. Intelligence also reports a Panzer unit in southern Hungary. Voroshilov to Stalin: "Hey Vozhd, the commander of the fort of Przemysl reports that he has spotted at least three German corps on either side of the San River. Stalin: Really? Tell him he's imagining it. Voroshilov: No, he's really quite insistent! Stalin: Have the commander of Przemysl shot at once. [image]local://upfiles/28156/9310DAA6535B41B5AFB30A1E9FF4A265.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 8:59:28 AM)
27th November 1940 United Kingdom The British receive a brace of armoured carriers - HMS Formidable and Indomitable arrive in Scotland. Really annoying that there isn't enough space to re-name stuff properly [:(] In the Med the 1st Submarine Flotilla and the 4th Cruiser Squadron are reinforced. USSR The Soviets receive an additional destroyer flotilla for their Black Sea Fleet.

Orm -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 9:03:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 5th November 1940 United Kingdom Mmmmm - an Italian human torpedo attack reduces the 4th Cruiser Squadron to strength 5..... I am beginning to sense this game is somewhat loaded in the Axis favour. However I will try and keep such thoughts to one side - its far too early to jump to conclusions... No.13 Fighter Group has formed and is in Scotland having completed its training. It will head south to Newcastle in due course. Could it be that it is loaded in favour of the AI?

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 9:06:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Orm quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 5th November 1940 United Kingdom Mmmmm - an Italian human torpedo attack reduces the 4th Cruiser Squadron to strength 5..... I am beginning to sense this game is somewhat loaded in the Axis favour. However I will try and keep such thoughts to one side - its far too early to jump to conclusions... No.13 Fighter Group has formed and is in Scotland having completed its training. It will head south to Newcastle in due course. Could it be that it is loaded in favour of the AI? warspite1 Possibly which is why I don't want to jump to conclusions. But so far we have the Kriegsmarine and RM with a full complement of BB (not so the RN) the losses incurred by British naval units appears greater than the equivalent attacks by German units, and now the human torpedoes have had a huge success in Egypt. I wonder if we see Royal Navy midget submarines in play?

loki100 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 9:32:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 quote: ORIGINAL: Orm quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 5th November 1940 United Kingdom Mmmmm - an Italian human torpedo attack reduces the 4th Cruiser Squadron to strength 5..... I am beginning to sense this game is somewhat loaded in the Axis favour. However I will try and keep such thoughts to one side - its far too early to jump to conclusions... No.13 Fighter Group has formed and is in Scotland having completed its training. It will head south to Newcastle in due course. Could it be that it is loaded in favour of the AI? warspite1 Possibly which is why I don't want to jump to conclusions. But so far we have the Kriegsmarine and RM with a full complement of BB (not so the RN) the losses incurred by British naval units appears greater than the equivalent attacks by German units, and now the human torpedoes have had a huge success in Egypt. I wonder if we see Royal Navy midget submarines in play? think there is also a random element at play. I had a similar attack and lost a single strength pt, so it seems as if the attack is scripted for that turn but the outcome is random? I've also lost units due to making mistakes - eg the Hood to a sub attack. Ok I now know what to look out for but one reason for taking an early game as far as possible is to work out both consequences of early choices and avoidable errors. So you might be seeing the outcomes of less than optimal choices? Not of course that you would do such a thing [;)] edit: but, I've wasted a lot of MPP by simply selecting the wrong transport options, you seem to have managed this much better, hence an impressive build up in the UK. One thing I noticed is the German AI seems to make a binary decision post-France (ie USSR or UK). If the former you don't even face an air attack on your industries, it just goes passive in the West. edit 2 - another eg of random outcomes - my sub raiding off Denmark was attacked and over 2 turns I lost 2 SPs, would guess that the combat was basically similar to yours, so no reason to suspect the difference is gameplay related.

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 9:35:30 AM)
27th November 1940 United Kingdom The RN cannot locate the U-boats causing the damage but the searching continues. Reinforcements are being readied for the Mediterranean - both land and sea (and air if I can manage it).

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 9:38:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: loki100 quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 quote: ORIGINAL: Orm quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 5th November 1940 United Kingdom Mmmmm - an Italian human torpedo attack reduces the 4th Cruiser Squadron to strength 5..... I am beginning to sense this game is somewhat loaded in the Axis favour. However I will try and keep such thoughts to one side - its far too early to jump to conclusions... No.13 Fighter Group has formed and is in Scotland having completed its training. It will head south to Newcastle in due course. Could it be that it is loaded in favour of the AI? warspite1 Possibly which is why I don't want to jump to conclusions. But so far we have the Kriegsmarine and RM with a full complement of BB (not so the RN) the losses incurred by British naval units appears greater than the equivalent attacks by German units, and now the human torpedoes have had a huge success in Egypt. I wonder if we see Royal Navy midget submarines in play? think there is also a random element at play. I had a similar attack and lost a single strength pt, so it seems as if the attack is scripted for that turn but the outcome is random? I've also lost units due to making mistakes - eg the Hood to a sub attack. Ok I now know what to look out for but one reason for taking an early game as far as possible is to work out both consequences of early choices and avoidable errors. So you might be seeing the outcomes of less than optimal choices? Not of course that you would do such a thing [;)] warspite1 Good to hear. Sub-optimal choices? Moi? Yep, every time [:(] [:D]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 9:46:37 AM)
19th December 1940 AI Turn The Germans and Italians declare war on Yugoslavia. The German 2nd and 12th Armies (plus the 1st Panzer Group) with support from the Italian 2nd Army, make short work of Yugoslavian Frontier Defence units in the north and centre of the country. The Italian Troop Command invade the hapless country from the south. Three Corps are wiped from the Yugoslav order of battle before they have time to react. Operation Punishment begins.... [image]local://upfiles/28156/D31C5EC0961B4AA48C16FA92B2433A7B.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 9:50:05 AM)
19th December 1940 USA The USA rack up the research spending as much as they can. I guess I should start buying 'stuff' soon. United Kingdom The British get two new battleships; the newly built Duke of York and the re-built Queen Elizabeth. They save their MPP for bigger purchases to come. Meanwhile a convoy sets out from the UK bound for the Med. I could not get my aircraft loaded on-board ship. Not sure why? A U-boat lurks in the Western Approaches. I try and put a couple of flotillas between the convoy and the wolfpack. [image]local://upfiles/28156/AD9E6F77543A4A95BBB64B5EEBE5ED65.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 10:31:03 AM)
20th January 1941 AI Turn The snow descends which may have saved Belgrade for a turn. The Afrika Korps arrives in Libya.

loki100 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 10:53:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 19th December 1940 ... Meanwhile a convoy sets out from the UK bound for the Med. I could not get my aircraft loaded on-board ship. Not sure why? ... as part of extensively testing how to select the most expensively inappropriate transport option I finally found the solution to this. give the air unit the 'operate' command and you can then base it in the Middle East.

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 10:58:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: loki100 quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 19th December 1940 ... Meanwhile a convoy sets out from the UK bound for the Med. I could not get my aircraft loaded on-board ship. Not sure why? ... as part of extensively testing how to select the most expensively inappropriate transport option I finally found the solution to this. give the air unit the 'operate' command and you can then base it in the Middle East. warspite1 Thank-you [:)]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 11:01:18 AM)
20th January 1941 United Kingdom Once again one of my destroyer flotillas takes a hammering at the hands of a single U-boat wolf pack - the dastardly swines.... I landed the Canadians in the UK but have changed my mind and they have joined the "Winston Special" convoy WS6 to Cairo. A fighter and bomber unit have been sent to Egypt also. The Canadian maritime aircraft is now in Scotland. I reinforce the Yugoslavs as much as possible but given the array of units surrounding Belgrade I do not think they are long for this world... [image]local://upfiles/28156/AD1F8BC706944E37A5F313719C65344F.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 12:10:29 PM)
3rd March 1941 AI Turn Belgrade holds! The Belgrade Corps beat off a determined attack by Axis forces - and inflicting some casualties on the Italian III Corps. I then make a mistake and accidentally attack with that unit [8\|] I manage to swap with the Dravska Corps but of course cannot reinforce.... what a schmuck. At the end of the AI turn the weather turned to snow. Let's hope it stays that way. Bulgaria join the Axis. Rommel's Afrika Korps move up towards the Egyptian border.... [image]local://upfiles/28156/DBB3DEFC45124CFC8D35C8F25D6EF746.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 12:13:41 PM)
3rd March 1941 USSR The Soviets build an Armoured Train in Moscow United Kingdom I am asked if I want to occupy a port in Ireland for use by the Royal Navy. Well let me think about this for a nano second... the British Commonwealth is fighting alone against the Axis. The Japanese are making worrying noises in the Far East and the Soviets have a pact with Germany. Vichy are trying to cosy up to the Axis and Franco would join the Germans if they were given certain incentives to join. You know what? What I really don't need right now is to pick a fight with someone else [;)] So no, if Ireland decide that they want to join those fighting the evil Axis then great, if not then fine.

operating -> RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW (11/26/2016 6:36:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 25th August 1940 United Kingdom Our diplomatic efforts against Spain are having some effect (10%), although Operation Menace proved something of a flop and the battleship Resolution is torpedoed in the process. [image]local://upfiles/28156/72C05D51EA824CABB7FE86965F667793.jpg[/image] Operation Menace was something new to me and perhaps to others. This helped explain it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dakar

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