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Mayhemizer_slith -> ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (12/30/2016 8:49:04 AM)

Discussion for Allies only, Evil Axis must not read this.



AllenK -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (12/30/2016 4:54:44 PM)

Discussion of situation on Italian border continued from previous AAR.

Other option is to move GARR and MTN north and CW deploy 2 MOT of BEF to Nice. Gort will go somewhere safe in France like Bayonne. CW will need to take a Combined and can send some BB escorts. They'll make the West Med 1-box. The French navy and CV will help with protection. The pluses are it fixes the gap, free's up French units for the defence against Germany and the BEF can be moved back to Gort to be a pain as and when Paris falls. The downside is exposing 2 TRANS for the remainder of the turn to the vagaries of naval combat and removes opportunity of deploying to Rotterdam if that opportunity presents.



Jagdtiger14 -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (12/30/2016 5:07:21 PM)

To reiterate on this new thread: The Italian MTN corp can cross over and put a ZOC behind the French 4-3 INF (of course after a successful ground strike on the 4-3), which would make for easy pickings and an open hole. Just putting a division blocker should solve it.




Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (12/30/2016 5:10:50 PM)

I don't have spare divisions, only one is needed in Maginot line. I rather send 3 strength coprs sized unit there.

Let's see what Italy does first impulse. If they send TRS to Red Sea for example, I think we have two impulses to fix that hole.



Jagdtiger14 -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (12/30/2016 5:37:25 PM)

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I don't have spare divisions, only one is needed in Maginot line. I rather send 3 strength coprs sized unit there.


You could breakdown the 3-3 corp? You will need some more divisions anyway.

Concerning the expected Italian TRS move into the Red Sea...it is a traditional move for many WiF players, however there are better moves to make as Italy in my opinion.



AllenK -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (12/30/2016 5:40:58 PM)

Not playing with unlimited breakdowns, so it might not be possible.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (12/30/2016 5:41:39 PM)

AllenK, when the time comes, you can place French reserves as shown in picture.

By placing one unit to Nice, my problem is pretty much solved by one combined action.

[image]local://upfiles/39586/184AD15C538D490AA83938CEBB16B29E.jpg[/image]



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (12/30/2016 5:44:39 PM)

France kindly asks all possible land units to North Sea shore. That way France may soon get good line so that there is always corps sized unit in second line preventing break troughs.



AllenK -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (12/30/2016 5:53:43 PM)

Roger with the reserves.

I'll see whether a Fall Gelb is being planned or a more conventional opening. If Fall Gelb, then I'll rush 2 MOT to Calais using Combined move and risk 2 TRANS in North Sea (they'll have BB's with them and FTR's to 1-box). If conventional opening, I'll deploy BEF to Atlantic ports and rail them into place (to keep TRANS safe). TRANS will then be held for using 2 reserve CORPS for a potential deployment to Rotterdam, although a conventional opening would probably give the option of a PARA assault on Rotterdam, assuming they are built; one to keep an eye on.

Regarding TRANS to Red Sea, unless it's going to pick up the Eritria TERR, I don't think it will happen. The supply unit is somewhat inland and the Inf is poised to take French Somaliland.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (12/30/2016 5:56:08 PM)

Good plans.

And true about Red Sea and units there.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (12/30/2016 5:57:35 PM)

France plans to move TRS from Syria loaded with INF to CSV, it is safe there. Next turn TRS picks up INF from Morocco.



AllenK -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (12/30/2016 6:01:14 PM)

Looking at Japanese deployments, it looks like the Nationalists are in for a rough time. What do you make of the Japanese already deploying CV TF's in China Sea and South China Sea? Early DoW on CW?



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (12/30/2016 6:14:38 PM)

Can't say. But that's interesting. MAR corps are ready to attack USSR also.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (12/30/2016 6:16:50 PM)

Commies will push north so that Japan needs some troops to secure resources there.

Edit: We need artillery to disorganize them in north [:)]

[image]local://upfiles/39586/284528634EC546D7A004A96B6CD840AD.jpg[/image]



AllenK -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (12/30/2016 6:18:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer

Can't say. But that's interesting. MAR corps are ready to attack USSR also.


Pact in place at the moment, so I don't think there's enough to DoW.

Three Nationalist units in North will move south.

If Jap reinforcements don't come into Tsingtao and Haichow, I would be tempted to have a go at the solitary GARR in Kaifeng to open up a big hole.



AllenK -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (12/30/2016 6:34:45 PM)

I think the Japanese will surrender the open North China, defend the Manchurian border and seek to capture the 3 resources along the Changsa to Hanoi line. They'll consolidate positions in the defensive mountain/woods terrain. If things are favourable, they may then move towards Chungking but I think they'll stop at those gains in order for plenty of units to send to the Pacific, NEI and beyond where there are resources to be had.

It'll be interesting.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (12/30/2016 6:51:33 PM)

German set up is traditional. Try to survive first turn with Poland, France needs all the time possible [:)]



brian brian -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (12/30/2016 7:01:17 PM)

Hi there, this time I will read both threads but only comment in the actual AAR thread.

Thanks soooooooo much guys. When I get my new job-site for January figured out, I _might_ be able to play again, though it is the time of the season to work on taxes....

In the mean-time these threads are a wonderful short break for me all the time.



AllenK -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (12/30/2016 7:40:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: brian brian

Hi there, this time I will read both threads but only comment in the actual AAR thread.

Thanks soooooooo much guys. When I get my new job-site for January figured out, I _might_ be able to play again, though it is the time of the season to work on taxes....

In the mean-time these threads are a wonderful short break for me all the time.


Thanks for the support and look forward to a time when you might become involved in one of these team games.



AllenK -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (12/30/2016 7:44:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer

German set up is traditional. Try to survive first turn with Poland, France needs all the time possible [:)]


I'm tempted to go with the set-up I used in Das Experiment. The aircraft fly to internment releasing the pilots and the HQ is interned when USSR takes possession of East Poland. Long-term, it gives CW another HQ in the force pool and you can't have too many HQ's. It would probably need the weather and other luck for Poland to survive into N/D 39 though.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (12/30/2016 8:04:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AllenK


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer

German set up is traditional. Try to survive first turn with Poland, France needs all the time possible [:)]


I'm tempted to go with the set-up I used in Das Experiment. The aircraft fly to internment releasing the pilots and the HQ is interned when USSR takes possession of East Poland. Long-term, it gives CW another HQ in the force pool and you can't have too many HQ's. It would probably need the weather and other luck for Poland to survive into N/D 39 though.


You can do that, place 3 unit stack to one of the factory cities (and 2 units to the other). Or close them so that your units to those cities even if some units gets ground strikes.



Jagdtiger14 -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (12/30/2016 8:09:51 PM)

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and the HQ is interned when USSR takes possession of East Poland. Long-term, it gives CW another HQ in the force pool and you can't have too many HQ's.


The HQ would be great to have, and since you are not playing with unlimited divisions, the INF div might be interesting as well.



Jagdtiger14 -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (12/30/2016 8:15:02 PM)

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Next turn TRS picks up INF from Morocco.


Keep an eye out for Italian activity west of Gibraltar. The weakest Italian 6 moving CA with an INF div in the CSV is one of those better things to do (might be x2). If you vacate Morocco and Italy gets a surprise impulse...maybe the CW could have an INF div on a SCS ready just in case?




Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (12/30/2016 8:17:13 PM)

About first impulse bombing.

If Blemheim and LeO451 reaches any good stacks in Polish front, I would say we should hit them.

Harrow reaches ENG and MOT on Danish border. If they are hit, gate to Baltic Sea is open longer.

If you can, place one Polish unit to western city (Poznan or Katowice) so that there are some nice stacks to hit.



Jagdtiger14 -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (12/30/2016 8:19:08 PM)

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What do you make of the Japanese already deploying CV TF's in China Sea and South China Sea? Early DoW on CW?


Wasting oil;-) Highly unlikely DOW on CW...that would really push US entry, but be very interesting!




Jagdtiger14 -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (12/30/2016 8:24:50 PM)

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MAR corps are ready to attack USSR also.


I thought you guys are playing with a USSR/Japan house rule...no attack in '39?...then garrison ratio's after that?



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (12/30/2016 8:25:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14

quote:

MAR corps are ready to attack USSR also.


I thought you guys are playing with a USSR/Japan house rule...no attack in '39?...then garrison ratio's after that?

Yes we are. I just forget things [:(]



AllenK -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (12/30/2016 8:31:10 PM)

Good point JT14.

With that in mind, how about this? It should buy enough time for the aircraft to rebase and USSR occupy East Poland, interning the HQ and IND Div unless Germany goes for the HQ. If it does, Warsaw and Poland will should survive longer.

[image]local://upfiles/47730/CA3F34C8208042149F756E13859B7423.jpg[/image]



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (12/30/2016 8:35:03 PM)

They take Warsaw on first impulse.

Edit: 30+ strength of units in East Prussia plus all planes doubled.



AllenK -> RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) (12/30/2016 8:38:21 PM)

Yes, forgetting no defence bonus for river crossing on surprise impulse.



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