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Xargun -> RE: Climb Mt. Niitaka - Xargun vs MrKane (2/18/2017 9:02:55 PM)
What does the * next to LCUs mean ? I was thinking of pushing hard in China and trying to knock the Chinese out, but then I realized that won't help me too much as all the units in China will have to pay PPs to be used in Burma. Now any idea of using China troops in Burma is gone... For that, should I still push to knock China out? If I don't go for a knock out, should I bomb the industry ?

PaxMondo -> RE: Climb Mt. Niitaka - Xargun vs MrKane (2/18/2017 9:34:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Very interesting Pax. I like the Sam focus, and I think that is a must. 10 factories on the Frank A. Sam and Frank...its a Japanese mantra. Yeah, so hard to ignore them. They are competitive against the allies on everything except SR, but on defense that can be managed. however, after those two ... oh there are choices, none bad but they do have to support the plan you choose is all. If you're going on defense say 6/43, then I would choose Jack over George for sure. Jack is a great CAP fighter, good armament and great climb. However, I might also choose Tojo instead. Again, it is a good CAP fighter, and I can get that one without RnD, so then I can RnD something else like ShinDen ... getting that in late 44 can really shake up the allied attack. They are devastating to B-29's day or night ... 4x30mm CL ... and the ShinDen can play with Tbolts and Stangs on Sweeps ....

witpqs -> RE: Climb Mt. Niitaka - Xargun vs MrKane (2/18/2017 10:29:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Xargun *What does the next to LCUs mean ?** I was thinking of pushing hard in China and trying to knock the Chinese out, but then I realized that won't help me too much as all the units in China will have to pay PPs to be used in Burma. Now any idea of using China troops in Burma is gone... For that, should I still push to knock China out? If I don't go for a knock out, should I bomb the industry ? Screen pic?

Mike McCreery -> RE: Climb Mt. Niitaka - Xargun vs MrKane (2/18/2017 10:34:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Xargun What does the * next to LCUs mean ? I was thinking of pushing hard in China and trying to knock the Chinese out, but then I realized that won't help me too much as all the units in China will have to pay PPs to be used in Burma. Now any idea of using China troops in Burma is gone... For that, should I still push to knock China out? If I don't go for a knock out, should I bomb the industry ? Most of the time the * means the unit can be recombined into a larger unit.

Lowpe -> RE: Climb Mt. Niitaka - Xargun vs MrKane (2/19/2017 1:26:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PaxMondo quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Very interesting Pax. I like the Sam focus, and I think that is a must. 10 factories on the Frank A. Sam and Frank...its a Japanese mantra. Yeah, so hard to ignore them. They are competitive against the allies on everything except SR, but on defense that can be managed. however, after those two ... oh there are choices, none bad but they do have to support the plan you choose is all. If you're going on defense say 6/43, then I would choose Jack over George for sure. Jack is a great CAP fighter, good armament and great climb. However, I might also choose Tojo instead. Again, it is a good CAP fighter, and I can get that one without RnD, so then I can RnD something else like ShinDen ... getting that in late 44 can really shake up the allied attack. They are devastating to B-29's day or night ... 4x30mm CL ... and the ShinDen can play with Tbolts and Stangs on Sweeps .... Tojo has ts place to be sure...but so many newer IJ players way overproduce and over research this plane. The George/Jack split, for me having both makes it easier to find and leave the squadrons from an orginizational standpoint. Georges are for sweeping and Jacks are for defense. Easy. Can't find any fault in your logic.[&o]

Lowpe -> RE: Climb Mt. Niitaka - Xargun vs MrKane (2/19/2017 1:36:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Xargun What does the * next to LCUs mean ? I was thinking of pushing hard in China and trying to knock the Chinese out, but then I realized that won't help me too much as all the units in China will have to pay PPs to be used in Burma. Now any idea of using China troops in Burma is gone... For that, should I still push to knock China out? If I don't go for a knock out, should I bomb the industry ? Take China. Take China. Chungking is the single largest VP haul you will have. If you don't you will be faced with a very nasty war there draining supplies and manpower starting in 44...plus the potential of nasty large Allied Air bases. Everything within 20 hexes is vulnerable, and then even further when the B29 arrives. If he holds China...then a thrust at the Phillipines and landing on Chinese Coast will cut off all troops to the west as you won't be able to mount Chinese coastal defense strong enough to deter an invasion and fight the surging Chinese. A bigger nightmare scenario is hard for me to imagine....unless you conquer India. Captain Cruft did an AAR where he didn't take China...it is a very educational AAR, but he was going to lose to AV n Jan of 1945 despite having suffered almost 0 ship losses and creating a very strong 20 hex perimeter defense around Japan.

Aurorus -> RE: Climb Mt. Niitaka - Xargun vs MrKane (2/19/2017 2:22:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe quote: ORIGINAL: Xargun What does the * next to LCUs mean ? I was thinking of pushing hard in China and trying to knock the Chinese out, but then I realized that won't help me too much as all the units in China will have to pay PPs to be used in Burma. Now any idea of using China troops in Burma is gone... For that, should I still push to knock China out? If I don't go for a knock out, should I bomb the industry ? Take China. Take China. Chungking is the single largest VP haul you will have. If you don't you will be faced with a very nasty war there draining supplies and manpower starting in 44...plus the potential of nasty large Allied Air bases. Everything within 20 hexes is vulnerable, and then even further when the B29 arrives. If he holds China...then a thrust at the Phillipines and landing on Chinese Coast will cut off all troops to the west as you won't be able to mount Chinese coastal defense strong enough to deter an invasion and fight the surging Chinese. A bigger nightmare scenario is hard for me to imagine....unless you conquer India. Captain Cruft did an AAR where he didn't take China...it is a very educational AAR, but he was going to lose to AV n Jan of 1945 despite having suffered almost 0 ship losses and creating a very strong 20 hex perimeter defense around Japan. China probably will not be terribly difficult to conquer. He will set up a large air-supply to China, but if you press, the Chinese supply will still run out by the end of 42. You don't need to be a strategic mastermind to take China as the Japanese. Just drive forward and use lots of bombardment attacks and bombings. Units use supply for each "phase" of combat that they participate in. So if a unit is bombed twice and then bombarded, it will use extra supply 3 times. Keep harrying him in China until the supplies give out. Most allied players really don't know how to defend China either. They basically just set up roadblocks on the roads in X3 terrain, behind rivers where possible. That's ok, but it is only 1 part of the China defense. Since this is really, there only plan, they over commit to the roadblocks. Don't trash your units trying to rush through these big AI-like stacks. Soften them up, make these big piles of units use a lot of supply with bombing and bombardments, and when possible, manuever around the roadblocks.

Xargun -> RE: Climb Mt. Niitaka - Xargun vs MrKane (2/20/2017 2:40:46 AM)
Well time is up and the turn has been sent to Mr Kane. I hope to have a turn in my mail when I wake up tomorrow...

Aurorus -> RE: Climb Mt. Niitaka - Xargun vs MrKane (2/20/2017 2:50:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Xargun Well time is up and the turn has been sent to Mr Kane. I hope to have a turn in my mail when I wake up tomorrow... Best of luck. Biggest thing is striking a balance between time and assets against a more aggressive allied player. You don't want to overexpose your amphibious groups, but you also don't want to give him too much time to dig in and make life miserable for you in any strategic region: Singapore, the Dutch East Indies, or Burma. Basically your goal should be to get all control of everything in Malaysia, the DEI, Rabaul, and Moresby before the amphibious bonus runs out in 4 months. If you can get this accomplished, you will be in good shape. Then the big decision... what to do next?

PaxMondo -> RE: Climb Mt. Niitaka - Xargun vs MrKane (2/20/2017 3:14:17 AM)
Yeah good luck. Mr Kane is a good player, and a really good IJ player. He is also a planner ... so you need to figure out what his plan is for '42. His track record says he is coming at you, hard. He'll conserve assets until he's ready and then unleash a horde. He'll have ~10 ID's plus plenty of support.

Aurorus -> RE: Climb Mt. Niitaka - Xargun vs MrKane (2/20/2017 3:19:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PaxMondo Yeah good luck. Mr Kane is a good player, and a really good IJ player. He is also a planner ... so you need to figure out what his plan is for '42. His track record says he is coming at you, hard. He'll conserve assets until he's ready and then unleash a horde. He'll have ~10 ID's plus plenty of support. In the words of Theoden, King of Rohan, "Let them come."

Xargun -> RE: Climb Mt. Niitaka - Xargun vs MrKane (2/20/2017 12:40:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PaxMondo Yeah good luck. Mr Kane is a good player, and a really good IJ player. He is also a planner ... so you need to figure out what his plan is for '42. His track record says he is coming at you, hard. He'll conserve assets until he's ready and then unleash a horde. He'll have ~10 ID's plus plenty of support. 10 ID ? The allies get that many in 42 ? Ouch

Lowpe -> RE: Climb Mt. Niitaka - Xargun vs MrKane (2/20/2017 1:58:47 PM)
Probably by aug 43...

Xargun -> RE: Climb Mt. Niitaka - Xargun vs MrKane (2/20/2017 2:08:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Probably by aug 43... Ok that's much better. I will just need to figure out how to make Mr Kane commit his divisions for defense and not offense...

Hotei -> RE: Climb Mt. Niitaka - Xargun vs MrKane (2/20/2017 2:14:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Xargun quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Probably by aug 43... Ok that's much better. I will just need to figure out how to make Mr Kane commit his divisions for defense and not offense... [image]http://poster.keepcalmandposters.com/4559974.jpg[/image]

Xargun -> RE: Climb Mt. Niitaka - Xargun vs MrKane (2/20/2017 2:46:55 PM)
While I wait for Mr Kane to return turn one I can say I am now excited about the game again. Turn one was very tedious to do and I'm sure I missed a lot of stuff, but the game was running like garbage and I had a large delay between everything click or attempt to scroll. This morning while messing around on the forums I took some time to read through the Tech Support and found a solution. I added -deepColor and assigned a specific cpu to the game and now when I mess around in game it is lightning quick like it used to be. I'm so glad I took the time to look in the Tech forum and found some posts about Win 10 issues. They really need to sticky that thread on the main page for Win 10 users - I bet a lot of people who buy the game go into it and it runs like crap so they stop playing it... Put that thread on page 1 of the main forum and they could help a lot of people. With the game working as I remember, I cannot wait for the turn. I am thinking of pushing hard in China until I take it all.. And will push hard in Malaya and the DEI, while Philippines probably lags behind a bit. Its not like he can escape from the Philippines - or at least the ground units cannot. The air units he can buy out and most players do -- since we start with a stockpile of PP he can buy them out whenever he wants - I spent about half my starting pool of 500 PPs replacing nearly every air unit leader - probably around 95% of all fight groups and to a lesser extant other groups. All CV-based groups got good leaders if they didn't already have one. I also took someone's advice and went through my Air HQs and replaced leaders there as needed. Some of them were pretty horrific - I think one guy had like a 26 Air Skill ??? How the heck did he lead and Air HQ ? Over the next couple turns I need to get my garrisons in China sorted out and get my offensive there moving. As well as hitting air bases in the DEI. My port attacks in Manila I ordered the mini KB NOT to use torpedoes, as I want to save them to go hunting for warships in the DEI.. I figured a 250kg bomb would wreck anything it hit in Manila harbor anyways so why waste torpedoes on unloaded merchants. I do expect most allied TFs to flee southward and regroup somewhere in the DEI or perhaps Darwin. Soerbaja is also another good place - lots of fuel for the ships and he can begin moving oil / fuel to Oz from there. I made a few industry adjustments on turn one.. expanded some Armaments, Vehicle and Naval and Repair shipyards. I also expanded several engine factories and shut others off. I setup 5 R&D factories on the A6M2-N Rufe and they are size 10+ at the moment - I want the A6M5c as soon as I can. I also increased production of Vals, Kates, Zeros and Oscars... turned a lot of useless aircraft production off as well. The industry changes I made were small 5-10 points each but I wanted to get the repairs started so I can allocate supplies to the correct bases - already increased supply demand at Maebishi as there is very little supply there, but lots of factories.

Xargun -> Worst First Turn Ever (2/20/2017 9:26:22 PM)
Well as my title says my first turn against Mr Kane was probably my worst first turn in any game I have played. It started off great, for once a midget sub penetrated Pearl and put a torpedo into the California. I thought 'Great - a wonderful start' ... and then it went downhill. In all I sunk 3 small ships (2 PTs and a YO) at Manila and nothing at Pearl. I hit all 8 BBs and some cruisers but nothing sunk. It may tie up his repair yard for a year or so, but everything survived... not good. At Manila I hit 11 subs and a load of miscellaneous ships, including 2 TKs and an AO. At Georgetown I hit 6 merchies in the harbor. And at Hong Kong I hit 4 merchies in that harbor. In the air I lost 60 planes to A2A and flak and another 14 to ops. The only good thing was I only had 6 pilots WIA and none lost (according to Tracker) so once I get more planes I'll be good. I captured Batan Island and air dropped some troops into Laoag to capture it. Now I have a lvl 2 airfield on Luzon and already sent a group of Nates there to cover future landings. Force Z is nowhere to be seen, nor did I see any other TFs except a lone merchie along the east Malayasian coast. Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 26 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 32 B5N2 Kate x 90 D3A1 Val x 101 Allied aircraft P-36A Mohawk x 6 P-40B Warhawk x 8 F4F-3 Wildcat x 1 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 4 damaged A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed by flak B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed, 19 damaged B5N2 Kate: 3 destroyed by flak D3A1 Val: 2 destroyed, 11 damaged D3A1 Val: 6 destroyed by flak Allied aircraft losses P-36A Mohawk: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged P-40B Warhawk: 8 damaged P-40B Warhawk: 2 destroyed on ground F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 damaged F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed on ground C-33: 1 destroyed on ground B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground PBY-5 Catalina: 7 destroyed on ground B-18A Bolo: 3 destroyed on ground SBD-1 Dauntless: 1 destroyed on ground B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground A-20A Havoc: 3 destroyed on ground O-47A: 1 destroyed on ground R3D-2: 1 destroyed on ground Allied Ships BB Pennsylvania, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage BB Maryland, Torpedo hits 1 CL St. Louis, Torpedo hits 1 BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1 DD Cummings, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2 CM Oglala BB California, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage CL Detroit, Torpedo hits 1 BB Arizona, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 3, on fire BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage BB Nevada, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2 CA New Orleans, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage Airbase hits 37 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 52 Port hits 9 Port fuel hits 1

Lowpe -> RE: Worst First Turn Ever (2/20/2017 9:55:16 PM)
No long range CAP or sweepers account for losing all the planes? Did you have the Zeroes strafe at Pearl? Not bad at Pearl...6 battleships with torpedo hits.

Xargun -> RE: Worst First Turn Ever (2/20/2017 11:22:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe No long range CAP or sweepers account for losing all the planes? Did you have the Zeroes strafe at Pearl? Not bad at Pearl...6 battleships with torpedo hits. Most I lost in any one shot was Pearl where I lost 21 total.. Somehow I launched a PM attack that lost 1 Zero and 5 Kates to CAP.. But scored multiple 800kg hits. Afternoon Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid detected at 106 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 45 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 14 B5N2 Kate x 27 Allied aircraft P-40B Warhawk x 18 F4F-3 Wildcat x 3 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed B5N2 Kate: 5 destroyed Allied aircraft losses P-40B Warhawk: 1 destroyed F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed Allied Ships BB Maryland, Bomb hits 1 BB Arizona, Bomb hits 2 BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage Port hits 3 Aircraft Attacking: 22 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb

Xargun -> Dec 8th, 1941 (2/20/2017 11:29:19 PM)
Day two was better - only lost 3 aircraft in total, but the bad part is I ran into NO allied aircraft. He wasn't flying cap anywhere I hit and no attacks on my landings in Malaya. During the replay I heard some mine hits (see below) and was surprised it wasn't one of my ships... TF 146 encounters mine field at Bataan (78,77) Allied Ships PT Q-112, Mine hits 1, heavy damage PT Q-111, Mine hits 1, heavy damage PT-41, Mine hits 1, heavy damage PT-35, Mine hits 1, heavy damage PT-33, Mine hits 1, heavy damage Not sure how powerful my sub-laid mines are as they never seem to do anything for me in the past, but those PTs can't be happy... My subs got into the game on day two as well: Submarine attack near Iba at 78,73 Japanese Ships SS I-124 Allied Ships xAKL Dai Lee, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage (reported sunk) xAKL Dai Lee is sighted by SS I-124 SS I-124 attacking on the surface Submarine attack near Djemadja at 52,83 Japanese Ships SS I-155 Allied Ships xAKL Dai Tung, Shell hits 10, heavy fires, heavy damage xAKL Dai Tung is sighted by SS I-155 SS I-155 attacking on the surface SS I-155 low on gun ammo, Minowa E. breaks off surface engagement and submerges I hit a few more ships in Hong Kong harbor, but merchants only. Mini KB moved south from Luzon and hit 3 different single xAKL fleets fleeing the DEI heading East !!! I captured Kota Bharu, Tarawa and more paratroopers took Aparri.

Xargun -> RE: Dec 8th, 1941 (2/21/2017 12:48:12 AM)
So Nagasaki has a size 120 repair shipyard, but 30 of it needs repaired. Do you guys repair it ? Or don't think its a wise use of 30k supplies. Right now I'm leaning towards not repairing it, but wondered what the consensus is ?

PaxMondo -> RE: Dec 8th, 1941 (2/21/2017 2:17:50 AM)
I would not ... If I was going to build up a repair yard Hiroshima maybe, but not Nagasaki ... edit: I need to really emphasize the maybe ... I rarely ever build anything except Tokyo if needed for CS conversions (if I do those).

Lowpe -> RE: Dec 8th, 1941 (2/21/2017 2:53:23 AM)
Not sure about Nagasaki...I don't know the mod, what are the other shipyards on the HI? Your sub mines are usually the powerful you have, and some of your subs lay minefields at Bataan if you don't change their orders...usually they get swept by an alert Allied player. Gotta love 800 kg hits if they penetrated. Good luck now that you are off and running.

Xargun -> RE: Dec 8th, 1941 (2/21/2017 10:34:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Not sure about Nagasaki...I don't know the mod, what are the other shipyards on the HI? Your sub mines are usually the powerful you have, and some of your subs lay minefields at Bataan if you don't change their orders...usually they get swept by an alert Allied player. Gotta love 800 kg hits if they penetrated. Good luck now that you are off and running. Hiroshima has size 100 Tokyo has size 100 Thanks for the luck... I have a feeling I will need it

Xargun -> Dec 9th, 1941 (2/21/2017 10:43:30 PM)
A slow turn as the Imperial troops march onward. Fierce storms on and around Luzon limit my air strikes, but recon seemed to fly fine spotting numerous Allied TFs lingering around. I am guessing he is finally sending his PTs after my landings in northern Luzon. My troops will land at Legaspi next turn, and the mini KB and a surface force is escorting. Hopefully the mini KB will do something this turn as storms prevented it from doing anything last turn [:@] Kwangchow decided to join the Japanese Empire last turn and my troops captured Nauru Island and Vigan. Last turn we captured Tarawa and Kota Bharu and Aparri. I forgot what a pain the first month of the war is.. I am short on all sorts of aircraft and my factories will take a month or two to build up to what I want. I even turned on the Sonia Factory as I need bombers to fill out units and cannot increase factories fast enough. A couple allied Merchies were sunk - including one via a surface action near Aparri. The Dutch subs go on the scoreboard and hit a transport loaded with troops.. It is trying to make it back to Cam Rahn Bay, but not sure it will. Allied planes attempted to attack my landings at Vigan but my CAP from Laoag intercepted them shooting down a single P-26. I need to get some zeros to Luzon so I can actually shoot down allied planes. These Nates just don't cut it.

PaxMondo -> RE: Dec 9th, 1941 (2/22/2017 1:04:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Xargun These Nates just don't cut it. no they don't, but for the first 90 days I never have enough zero's.

Xargun -> Dec 10th, 1941 (2/22/2017 2:21:02 PM)
A Bad day for the IJN... MALAYA Theater Dutch subs attack and sink 2 transports full of men on their way to Malaya near Saigon. I have ordered all PBs in the area into ASW efforts and assigned some air groups to search as well. I have targeted the sub hexes and vectored fleets around them - I so love the waypoint system. The Troop buildup in Malaya is continuing and troops are moving deeper into British lands. Kota Bharu now has some light bombers and some fighters flying from its airfields. Philippines A TF of MTBs attacked the Vigan landings at night and one MTB was sunk and no IJN ship damaged. Unfortunately the landing TF retreated away and did not continue unloading in the day phase [:@] More Seagulls attacked my landings in Luzon, but this time one was shot down by flak after landing a 100 lb bomb on TB Tomozuru. I now have two groups of zeros in Luzon protecting my landings, so the next air strike against them should have some losses. The single air strike I managed against numerous TFs in the Philippines consisted of 6 Betties and they missed an xAK and PG with their torpedoes. Once again the mini KB refused to launch any strikes.. wtf??? The whole purpose of the mini KB being there was to sink fleeing ships and for two days they have done nothing... I moved them a couple hexes hoping for better weather. I have taken the Netties off of night air attacks and set them up for Naval attacks, targeting the Philippine area. I am hoping they can make up for the lackluster performance of the mini KB. Wake My landings at Wake finally arrived unfortunately to be welcomed by air attacks from the NE of Wake. Apparently Mr Kane sent at least 2 CVs to greet my landings and they were outside my sub screen so I had no idea they were there. The air attack sunk 2 xAKL, 1 xAK and 2 PBs all but wiping out the 53rd Naval Guard. A few men made it ashore but the automatic shock attack crushed them. I have one ship with a remnant left on them and the TF is fleeing, hopefully they will get away, but not sure. This is upsetting as I had considered cancelling the whole Wake invasion until the returning KB could cover it. Borneo At Miri, some troops were landed but PBYs struck at the landing at Miri, hitting an xAK unloading troops. I have spotted an allied TF of 7 ships to the east. Without better identification, I have pulled the landing fleet away from Miri and set some Netties to attempt to attack. I am also vectoring in the Kota Bharu covering force of BBs into the area for support. China My troops have finally reached Hong Kong and I ordered a bombardment this coming turn and stood down all bombers in the area. The following turn (providing the bombardment goes good) I will attack with full air support. Overall not a great day, but I did get a reminder that Mr Kane will be aggressive and hopefully the lessons from the failed attack at Wake will stay with me for a long while.

PaxMondo -> RE: Dec 10th, 1941 (2/23/2017 11:32:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Xargun Dutch subs attack and sink 2 transports full of men on their way to Malaya near Saigon. A TF of MTBs attacked the Vigan landings at night and one MTB was sunk and no IJN ship damaged. Unfortunately the landing TF retreated away and did not continue unloading in the day phase More Seagulls attacked my landings in Luzon, but this time one was shot down by flak after landing a 100 lb bomb on TB Tomozuru. Apparently Mr Kane sent at least 2 CVs to greet my landings and they were outside my sub screen so I had no idea they were there. These are all classic Mr. Kane ... aggressive, but in orginal ways ... quote: ORIGINAL: Xargun I now have two groups of zeros in Luzon protecting my landings, so the next air strike against them should have some losses. Maybe, but he will be able to see those, so .... quote: ORIGINAL: Xargun Overall not a great day, but I did get a reminder that Mr Kane will be aggressive and hopefully the lessons from the failed attack at Wake will stay with me for a long while. This is what you need to be careful about ... don't over react, that is exactly what he is trying to get you to do. Get you to move out of your plan ... causing delays in this manner, not the normal way. causing you to burn extra fuel and supply ... etc. don't react, be proactive. Tough to do. Look at each step here early, you are very predictable in that the IJ has to do a number of things. He know that. Then, look at what 'wrench' he can throw at you and try to have the counter in place. You make your guesses by what you know he has available and what you haven't seen ... that's what he will use ...

Lowpe -> RE: Dec 10th, 1941 (2/23/2017 12:41:17 PM)
The Saigon to Singers area is very vulnerable to subs early on, and some of your best transports are there & not very well escorted. A lot of my starts I keep the ships in port till I get adequate protection from Saigon and north. Raiding the Wake area or Rabaul area are the two classic early CV moves for the Allies. Another to look out for is the Boise setting up to patrol and raid convoys to and from Truk and the HI. This one can really hurt...I can't remember if it is a NYGiants trick or Bullwinkles...but boy it can be nasty. All invasions in the DEI are vulnerable to ABDA forces. You must really naval search...you have a lot of tools to throw the naval search with from Iboats (glens), to CVs, to patrol planes and float planes. Also watch out for raids from surface ships disbanded into smaller ports. Recon as much as you can and switch around the targets. Mr. Kane knows what you are going for....so you will not surprise him most likely. If I were you, I would look to assemble as much as you can and take Palembang. His airforce isn't much of a threat, but his surface ships are...I try to get there ASAP, because you can bet your bottom dollar there are a lot of Allied troops heading there...especially the Singers reinforcements most likely. Get some I boats on the west side of Sumatra down low. There is quite a few troops you can pull for this invasion. To me, taking Palembang very quickly is the highest priority. Another priority is getting supply into Miri for rebuilding the oil...it takes lots. Be careful here as right now the Allies can send surface ships there from the east and the west.

witpqs -> RE: Dec 10th, 1941 (2/23/2017 4:31:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PaxMondo quote: ORIGINAL: Xargun More Seagulls attacked my landings in Luzon, but this time one was shot down by flak after landing a 100 lb bomb on TB Tomozuru. Apparently Mr Kane sent at least 2 CVs to greet my landings and they were outside my sub screen so I had no idea they were there. These are all classic Mr. Kane ... aggressive, but in orginal ways ... Yes, aggressive and original. But Hitchcock predicted it. [image]local://upfiles/14248/8F24655A2B6F47138FB5331E7DE5323B.jpg[/image]

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