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TulliusDetritus -> RE: OT: New Tom Hanks WWII Destroyer movie "Greyhound" is, apparently, in the making! (2/25/2017 11:49:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: spence

Although the movie was OK the plot in the book was better.
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Read the book if you've missed it.


Thanks for the spoiler! Appreciated [sm=00000622.gif]



LeeChard -> RE: OT: New Tom Hanks WWII Destroyer movie "Greyhound" is, apparently, in the making! (2/26/2017 12:39:06 PM)

I didn't notice any mentions of 'Enemy at the Gates'. I thought it did a good job of
giving me a feel for Stalingrad. I don't know if the plot is realistic but I enjoyed
it anyway.



BBfanboy -> RE: OT: New Tom Hanks WWII Destroyer movie "Greyhound" is, apparently, in the making! (2/26/2017 3:21:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Ranger5355

I didn't notice any mentions of 'Enemy at the Gates'. I thought it did a good job of
giving me a feel for Stalingrad. I don't know if the plot is realistic but I enjoyed
it anyway.

The river-crossing scene and initial attack by the Russians without enough rifles to go around was pretty good. The sniper stuff seemed a little too Hollywood. 6.5 out of 10

There was another movie done by the Germans about Stalingrad that showed what the Germans went through, including the starvation and freezing-to-death situations after they were surrounded. The breakdown in discipline was pretty realistic, although I thought they overdid the "greedy officer hoarding food for himself while his troops were starving" bit. Same with the officers kicking wounded off the transport aircraft so they could get a ride out of the pocket they were in. 9 out of 10

And there was a Russian version of Stalingrad which focused on a Russian platoon holding a few buildings that the Germans wanted. Both sides were short on ammo and men, and both sides took a lot of casualties. They tried to humanize the story with a romance between an unwilling Russian woman and a German officer. This did not fit with the relentless brutality that the real situation engendered. 8 out of 10



Alpha77 -> RE: OT: New Tom Hanks WWII Destroyer movie "Greyhound" is, apparently, in the making! (2/26/2017 5:50:34 PM)

Tom Hanks....[:(][>:][:@]



warspite1 -> RE: OT: New Tom Hanks WWII Destroyer movie "Greyhound" is, apparently, in the making! (2/26/2017 6:24:40 PM)

What?



Chickenboy -> RE: OT: New Tom Hanks WWII Destroyer movie "Greyhound" is, apparently, in the making! (2/26/2017 8:12:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1

What?

Como?



warspite1 -> RE: OT: New Tom Hanks WWII Destroyer movie "Greyhound" is, apparently, in the making! (2/26/2017 8:40:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


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ORIGINAL: warspite1

What?

Como?
warspite1

Perry?



RFalvo69 -> RE: OT: New Tom Hanks WWII Destroyer movie "Greyhound" is, apparently, in the making! (2/26/2017 9:15:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Revthought
Then of course, the prisoner that is executed at the end of the film. Executed by the only protagonist who at any time during the film voices dissent to the idea of killing prisoners.


That scene always disturbed me. The German soldier was captured in regular combat (after his position was attacked, BTW, not the other way around). Tom Hanks then decides to let him go. We can imagine that he is able to rejoin other German troops. During the final battle he kills a lot of Americans, but, again, in regular combat. He is captured for the second time and... shot dead in cold blood. I never understood why that scene was in the movie at all (it could have had a meaning if the killer had suffered consequences for his action).

Another movie where there is a harrowing killing of a German prisoner is "Fury".

[Talking about "Fury", I loved it. On Gamesquad there were some ASL-heads who tried to demonstrate their "Death From Above-level" of knowledge about all things WWII by deriding it - exp. regarding the engagement distances. Of course anyone who knows a thing of two about moviemaking knows why David Ayers choose to cut them... If you are interested, I can copy&paste my explanation from GS.

I agree, however, that the Germans in "Fury" can't shoot [:D] ]



Chickenboy -> RE: OT: New Tom Hanks WWII Destroyer movie "Greyhound" is, apparently, in the making! (2/26/2017 9:25:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


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ORIGINAL: warspite1

What?

Como?
warspite1

Perry?


Platypus?



CaptBeefheart -> RE: OT: New Tom Hanks WWII Destroyer movie "Greyhound" is, apparently, in the making! (2/26/2017 11:56:50 PM)

I just saw "The Blue Max" recently for the first time since I was a kid. Good WWI aviation flick from the German perspective.

Cheers,
CC



Alpha77 -> RE: OT: New Tom Hanks WWII Destroyer movie "Greyhound" is, apparently, in the making! (2/27/2017 12:22:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

I agree, however, that the Germans in "Fury" can't shoot [:D] ]


"Germans" canīt shoot or even duck into cover in most "hollywood" movies. Even in German movies (which are quite critical ofc of nazis etc.) their soldiers are not that stupid, inept and live actually a while). Same for the Japanese often enough. No wonder these Axis forces crumbled in some months of light resistance...[;)]



TulliusDetritus -> RE: OT: New Tom Hanks WWII Destroyer movie "Greyhound" is, apparently, in the making! (2/27/2017 9:39:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Alpha77

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ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

I agree, however, that the Germans in "Fury" can't shoot [:D] ]


"Germans" canīt shoot or even duck into cover in most "hollywood" movies. Even in German movies (which are quite critical ofc of nazis etc.) their soldiers are not that stupid, inept and live actually a while). Same for the Japanese often enough. No wonder these Axis forces crumbled in some months of light resistance...[;)]


You're talking about entertaining movies. And that's what this Hollywood business thing has always been delivering. They made / make millions so good for them.

If I want entertainment I grab the popcorn and watch let's say Saving Private Ryan . I really don't care about the mistakes the experts on these boards* notice (wrong type of mortar ammo etc etc [:D]). Just give me entertainment.

If I want a real, serious war movie I rewatch Kubrick's Paths of Glory. That's it.

* but I think PH is a ridiculous movie which fails to give me some entertainment [:D] But I like The Red Thin Line go figure



TulliusDetritus -> RE: OT: New Tom Hanks WWII Destroyer movie "Greyhound" is, apparently, in the making! (2/27/2017 10:05:09 AM)

Modern CGI has not surpassed this. And it won't.

And I am talking about the terrified little things in the trench.



Alpha77 -> RE: OT: New Tom Hanks WWII Destroyer movie "Greyhound" is, apparently, in the making! (2/27/2017 2:25:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus

Modern CGI has not surpassed this. And it won't.

And I am talking about the terrified little things in the trench.


Yes one of the best, however the "extras" in the attack scene could be better most just fall over in the direction the bullets come from, I would assume you are thrown back from the impact.[8|] However for sure the better scenes are when the officers talk how to best kill their soldiers.

I will bring this one as oneof the best for battle scenes, I find this is one of the most gritty movies:

Winter War-'Talvisota' Movie-Eastern Front Battle-Fierce Combat Scenes-Finland vs Soviet Union


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZKU-8DDM1k




Chickenboy -> RE: OT: New Tom Hanks WWII Destroyer movie "Greyhound" is, apparently, in the making! (2/27/2017 2:34:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Alpha77
I would assume you are thrown back from the impact.


It doesn't work that way. Many soldiers that are shot just drop like a sack of potatoes.



Alpha77 -> RE: OT: New Tom Hanks WWII Destroyer movie "Greyhound" is, apparently, in the making! (2/27/2017 2:50:49 PM)

Chickenboy probably true.... but one thing is clear the more realistic movies seem not to come from the US, I found here what seems to be Russian productions:


Cossack attack Russia civil war (cut scene)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXfJ7oenzx8


And this here reminds a bit of "Pickets Charge":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk61KSiMQ0A



TulliusDetritus -> RE: OT: New Tom Hanks WWII Destroyer movie "Greyhound" is, apparently, in the making! (2/27/2017 3:01:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Alpha77
Chickenboy probably true.... but one thing is clear the more realistic movies seem not to come from the US,


But maybe we're talking about different things. A "realistic" movie should be like literally visiting your local slaughterhouse. Do we really want that? Not me.



Chickenboy -> RE: OT: New Tom Hanks WWII Destroyer movie "Greyhound" is, apparently, in the making! (2/27/2017 3:07:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Alpha77

Chickenboy probably true.... but one thing is clear the more realistic movies seem not to come from the US, I found here what seems to be Russian productions:


Cossack attack Russia civil war (cut scene)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXfJ7oenzx8



I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. This scene was clearly a low budget scene with amateur actors portraying the parts. Poor CGI (like the original Star Trek series) detracts from the realism of a given scene. I'd rather not have it at all.

For 'realism' in most cavalry charges, most productions can't get them right. My understanding is that effective cavalry charges benefit from proximity of horses to one another. Defenders at the point of attack are literally swept aside by a mass of charging horseflesh. In recent pictures, I only recall seeing it during The Return of the King-of course most of these fictitious horses of Rohan were CGI, but the realism and shock value of the packed cavalry charge was maintained.

By comparison, the cavalry charge depicted in your Cossack clip was a drawn out scrum of individual riders intermingled with infantry. Any cavalryman worth his salt would be embarrassed by such a loose and poorly directed cavalry charge. Realism? Perhaps. If the film maker elected to depict a realistic portrayal of poorly trained and led cavalryman meandering about (with bush league special effects thrown in during post-production), he achieved his aim.



Chickenboy -> RE: OT: New Tom Hanks WWII Destroyer movie "Greyhound" is, apparently, in the making! (2/27/2017 3:11:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Alpha77
And this here reminds a bit of "Pickets Charge":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk61KSiMQ0A


Another 'meh' for 'realism'.



BBfanboy -> RE: OT: New Tom Hanks WWII Destroyer movie "Greyhound" is, apparently, in the making! (2/27/2017 3:39:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Alpha77

Chickenboy probably true.... but one thing is clear the more realistic movies seem not to come from the US, I found here what seems to be Russian productions:


Cossack attack Russia civil war (cut scene)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXfJ7oenzx8


And this here reminds a bit of "Pickets Charge":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk61KSiMQ0A

Screw the land combat stuff~ the second link you made had a naval battle from the same film "The Admiral". Minelayer vs cruiser. Pretty good stuff!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21g2cZDJ7UE



pontiouspilot -> RE: OT: New Tom Hanks WWII Destroyer movie "Greyhound" is, apparently, in the making! (2/27/2017 9:26:58 PM)

I predict that Warren Beatty will give them an Academy Award for best picture!!



bomccarthy -> RE: OT: New Tom Hanks WWII Destroyer movie "Greyhound" is, apparently, in the making! (2/27/2017 11:49:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


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ORIGINAL: Alpha77

Chickenboy probably true.... but one thing is clear the more realistic movies seem not to come from the US, I found here what seems to be Russian productions:


Cossack attack Russia civil war (cut scene)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXfJ7oenzx8



For 'realism' in most cavalry charges, most productions can't get them right. My understanding is that effective cavalry charges benefit from proximity of horses to one another. Defenders at the point of attack are literally swept aside by a mass of charging horseflesh. In recent pictures, I only recall seeing it during The Return of the King-of course most of these fictitious horses of Rohan were CGI, but the realism and shock value of the packed cavalry charge was maintained.



Something like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WlH4E64M28



Chickenboy -> RE: OT: New Tom Hanks WWII Destroyer movie "Greyhound" is, apparently, in the making! (2/28/2017 12:35:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


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ORIGINAL: Alpha77

Chickenboy probably true.... but one thing is clear the more realistic movies seem not to come from the US, I found here what seems to be Russian productions:


Cossack attack Russia civil war (cut scene)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXfJ7oenzx8



For 'realism' in most cavalry charges, most productions can't get them right. My understanding is that effective cavalry charges benefit from proximity of horses to one another. Defenders at the point of attack are literally swept aside by a mass of charging horseflesh. In recent pictures, I only recall seeing it during The Return of the King-of course most of these fictitious horses of Rohan were CGI, but the realism and shock value of the packed cavalry charge was maintained.



Something like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WlH4E64M28


Not bad. Same basic effect, albeit kind of light on the horseflesh. There were maybe-what-200 horses in that charge? A pittance by some of the larger land battles.



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