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Telemecus -> RE: August 1945 (9/25/2018 10:06:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Balou

Exiled Czechs ? AFAIK there is no such thing as Czechoslovakia until after May 45.


There was Czechoslovakia 1918 to 1933 - that is until the Germans....



STEF78 -> RE: August 1945 (9/26/2018 7:37:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Telemecus


quote:

ORIGINAL: Balou

Exiled Czechs ? AFAIK there is no such thing as Czechoslovakia until after May 45.


There was Czechoslovakia 1918 to 1933 - that is until the Germans....


1918 till march 1939 [;)]



BrianG -> RE: August 1945 (9/26/2018 10:52:26 PM)

too late to get over the mountains into Hungary. The pass is now blocked.


Now you have to go thru the Mines of Moria.




STEF78 -> RE: August 1945 (9/27/2018 6:08:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BrianG

too late to get over the mountains into Hungary. The pass is now blocked.


Now you have to go thru the Mines of Moria.



We shall see... red army late summer 1945 is a monster!

And once Romania fall, Stelteck will get the romanian pool to fill his rifle corps [:(]



STEF78 -> August 1945 (9/27/2018 6:15:07 AM)

Turn 217, 9th august 1945

Serious pressure in front of warsaw, some units are surrounded but can be rescued

[img]https://i.imgur.com/JkFoEDB.jpg[/img]

In the South, Romania surrendered ... situation is looking bad... and all the the traitors, including the pool will now fight for the russians

[img]https://i.imgur.com/FCgM4lY.jpg[/img]

We give some ground and will fight on the carpathians montains

[img]https://i.imgur.com/0BKuuEL.jpg[/img]

And the losses, no comment

[img]https://i.imgur.com/2GobH2E.jpg[/img]



Skydream2016 -> RE: August 1945 (9/27/2018 8:58:33 AM)

i know its not so actual topic now but if you are interested you can chceck 1st Czechoslovak Army Corps in the USSR..



STEF78 -> August 1945 (9/28/2018 6:06:47 AM)

Turn 218, 16th august 1945

Red storm is seems unstoppable. Some inf divs are surrounded. I have built a strong line from the baltic to the carpathian mountains. Each hex is fill with at least one or 2 Pzd/Pzgr div

Look at the russian OOB, romanians are arriving in the red army...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/E4X16eG.jpg[/img]

I try to free surrounded units but counterattacks are more and more hard to achieve. See below...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/hSxepuK.jpg[/img]

These 2 inf divs will get an extra week of life.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/ONsUcQ1.jpg[/img]




Stelteck -> RE: August 1945 (9/28/2018 7:11:32 AM)

The line in front of Germany from the mountain to the sea is epic strong.
XX+ défense level on the entire front.



John B. -> RE: August 1945 (9/28/2018 10:58:37 PM)

Given hat the game is now in mid-August 1945 right about now there is a bright flash of light and a mushroom cloud over Berlin.



Balou -> RE: August 1945 (9/29/2018 7:24:37 AM)

Question seeing map in post #966: those Rumanian units in Rumania proper - almost "surrounded" by retreating Axis - where do they draw supplies from ?



STEF78 -> RE: August 1945 (9/29/2018 7:58:58 AM)

there is an open corridor through the mountains in the west. They are technically not surrounded.



Balou -> RE: August 1945 (9/29/2018 8:04:07 AM)

Thats why I said "almost surrounded". Either way (supply over mountains seems rather ineffective) where would supplies come from in case they are completely sourrounded.



Telemecus -> RE: August 1945 (9/29/2018 4:10:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Balou

Thats why I said "almost surrounded". Either way (supply over mountains seems rather ineffective) where would supplies come from in case they are completely sourrounded.

and rail lines give a special bonus to motorised movement costs in this case

quote:

ORIGINAL: John B.
Given hat the game is now in mid-August 1945 right about now there is a bright flash of light and a mushroom cloud over Berlin.


From what I read Nuremburg would have been the first target in Germany for an A-bomb.



STEF78 -> August 1945 (9/30/2018 8:55:38 AM)

Turn 219, 23th august 1945

Despite the strength of the russian army, I feel rather confident for the end of the game. I've built a very strong line from the baltic sea to the mountains and then carpathian mountains are providing a huge defensive asset

But I wonder why the russians aren't hitting harder my line...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/us0HBRh.jpg[/img]

Some counterattacks, more than 1000 AFV are required to earn a victory against 3 rifle corps.

And russian OOB is now above 8,4M men

[img]https://i.imgur.com/2JSAUIx.jpg[/img]



thedoctorking -> RE: August 1945 (9/30/2018 10:42:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: STEF78

And the losses, no comment

[img]https://i.imgur.com/2GobH2E.jpg[/img]


The Soviet Union enlisted about 34 million soldiers during the Great Patriotic War, so you are almost 10 million behind (15 million total losses plus a current strength of about 8.5 million). I wonder how much of this is caused by the greater territorial losses you suffered in the early stages of this game and how much by the game's nerfing of Soviet manpower production.



chaos45 -> RE: August 1945 (9/30/2018 11:23:53 AM)

Even pre-nerf the soviets didn’t recruit historical manpower which is why the nerd was even more crippling. As well they started increasing losses again in recent patches esp for the soviets. So it’s been a double whammy against Soviet manpower and why you absolutely cannot afford near historical Soviet losses in 1941 to have a chance in the game right now.



leverkuhn -> RE: August 1945 (10/1/2018 3:37:59 AM)

I would be curious to see the captured equipment screen for the axis side. Wonder how many soviet guns and tanks they are using at this stage with that level of losses.



M60A3TTS -> RE: August 1945 (10/1/2018 4:30:28 AM)

From the screenshot, using Rokossovsky to command a generic tank army is questionable, and I'm being charitable here.

With an armor rating of 6, he can influence three tank or mechanized corps that have lower CVs compared to guards rifle corps. With a guards army containing 5 guards rifle corps, his infantry rating of 7 would generate considerably greater total combat value.

From what we're seeing in the Summer of '45, there are a lot of Soviet tank corps considerably below what their combat power should be.



Stelteck -> RE: August 1945 (10/1/2018 7:10:17 AM)

Relying on individual exploits of an elite class of officers of questionable loyalty to win battle is archaic comrade and a threat to the revolution.

Victory can only be achieve by the group effort of the mass of anonymous soldiers workers.



STEF78 -> RE: August 1945 (10/1/2018 6:22:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: leverkuhn

I would be curious to see the captured equipment screen for the axis side. Wonder how many soviet guns and tanks they are using at this stage with that level of losses.

Not that impressive, I have only 3 Pzd using russian tanks

[img]https://i.imgur.com/Ftl0Mie.jpg[/img]

It's funny to use these tanks when you see my pool

[img]https://i.imgur.com/WFmYCmB.jpg[/img]

And some few arts among some inf divs

[img]https://i.imgur.com/f6yubB6.jpg[/img]




SparkleyTits -> RE: August 1945 (10/1/2018 6:52:16 PM)

Loving those morale/EXP numbers Stef that is still a force to be reckoned with even though the sustained fighting seems to be taking a heavy toll

They cumilatively must be witholding alot of plausible Soviet punctures by the idea of their forces alone as we have seen throughout the AAR
Would you advocate such a dynamic panzer counter force again or would you go for a more compromised approach in your next game?



leverkuhn -> RE: August 1945 (10/1/2018 9:45:18 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: STEF78


Not that impressive, I have only 3 Pzd using russian tanks



Thanks for the quick answer. I certainly expected some more T-34s doing their job for the Reich. Do you know if Germans ever make use of soviet anti-tank AFV in the game?

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ORIGINAL: STEF78

It's funny to use these tanks when you see my pool



That is a known issue with the game. If Hitler had these many Tigers by 1945, no doubt new Heavy Companies would have been created, or existing PzD provided with divisional battallions. In fact that was the original plan.




No idea -> RE: August 1945 (10/2/2018 1:41:06 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: leverkuhn

quote:

ORIGINAL: STEF78


Not that impressive, I have only 3 Pzd using russian tanks



Thanks for the quick answer. I certainly expected some more T-34s doing their job for the Reich. Do you know if Germans ever make use of soviet anti-tank AFV in the game?

quote:

ORIGINAL: STEF78

It's funny to use these tanks when you see my pool



That is a known issue with the game. If Hitler had these many Tigers by 1945, no doubt new Heavy Companies would have been created, or existing PzD provided with divisional battallions. In fact that was the original plan.




According to wiki, 1347 Tigers were built since 1942 to 1944. The problem doenst seem to be a high production, but low losses, as has been said many times.

Ps. I havent done any testing, but, from all my games, I think the problem with low losses comes because of very low attrition. This is, very low non combat losses.



leverkuhn -> RE: August 1945 (10/2/2018 2:37:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: No idea

According to wiki, 1347 Tigers were built since 1942 to 1944. The problem doenst seem to be a high production, but low losses, as has been said many times.

Ps. I havent done any testing, but, from all my games, I think the problem with low losses comes because of very low attrition. This is, very low non combat losses.



In order to probe your point, you would need to replicate historical events in-game (i.e. a decisive soviet victory by early 1945 with a former stampede through western SU and huge numbers of german units routed, pocketed and surrendered) and see whether those casualties stack up. There's no point in expecting similar heavy tank casualties in a game like this where the germans are in much better shape and have not suffered significant encirclements.



No idea -> RE: August 1945 (10/2/2018 3:55:51 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: leverkuhn


quote:

ORIGINAL: No idea

According to wiki, 1347 Tigers were built since 1942 to 1944. The problem doenst seem to be a high production, but low losses, as has been said many times.

Ps. I havent done any testing, but, from all my games, I think the problem with low losses comes because of very low attrition. This is, very low non combat losses.



In order to probe your point, you would need to replicate historical events in-game (i.e. a decisive soviet victory by early 1945 with a former stampede through western SU and huge numbers of german units routed, pocketed and surrendered) and see whether those casualties stack up. There's no point in expecting similar heavy tank casualties in a game like this where the germans are in much better shape and have not suffered significant encirclements.



I am talking about NON combat casualties, which are very low in the game, so encirclements and defeats are irrelevant



STEF78 -> RE: August 1945 (10/2/2018 7:59:01 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SparkleyTits
.../... Would you advocate such a dynamic panzer counter force again or would you go for a more compromised approach in your next game?

I will do it the same way:
- it's the only way to earn morale
- inf units are worthless past 1943
- and above all, it's fun!



STEF78 -> Major breakthrough! (10/2/2018 8:18:20 PM)

Turn 220, 30th august 1945

This time, we are facing a major disaster... Stelteck turned South and managed to cross the carpathian mountains through the "rough" gap. I have no pzd/mot South of Poland and I will be unable to even slow the russian tank corps...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/pPFn0wg.jpg[/img]

Defences are holding South....

[img]https://i.imgur.com/8ZXV5JE.jpg[/img]

and north, but it's useless

[img]https://i.imgur.com/7BqYoWr.jpg[/img]

I do my best to create a thin line of defence but evacuation of Romania and eastern Hungary is on. Most units won't be able to escape...
But in WITE, never throw good money after bad...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/U9CVnDK.jpg[/img]

The OOB, russian army is stronger than early 1945 and german army is melting

[img]https://i.imgur.com/yxcTXSS.jpg[/img]



leverkuhn -> RE: August 1945 (10/3/2018 12:39:38 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: No idea


quote:

ORIGINAL: leverkuhn


quote:

ORIGINAL: No idea

According to wiki, 1347 Tigers were built since 1942 to 1944. The problem doenst seem to be a high production, but low losses, as has been said many times.

Ps. I havent done any testing, but, from all my games, I think the problem with low losses comes because of very low attrition. This is, very low non combat losses.



In order to probe your point, you would need to replicate historical events in-game (i.e. a decisive soviet victory by early 1945 with a former stampede through western SU and huge numbers of german units routed, pocketed and surrendered) and see whether those casualties stack up. There's no point in expecting similar heavy tank casualties in a game like this where the germans are in much better shape and have not suffered significant encirclements.



I am talking about NON combat casualties, which are very low in the game, so encirclements and defeats are irrelevant


Might as well be, but even if you're right, the Axis side would be no worse than now with more attrition casualties, as those spare tanks cannot be used anyway. In the end, both of us are probably right. Non-combat losses are low AND the game should reward good axis players by letting them activate more heavy tanks.



Stelteck -> RE: August 1945 (10/3/2018 7:06:14 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: STEF78
.../... Would you advocate such a dynamic panzer counter force again or would you go for a more compromised approach in your next game?

I will do it the same way:
- it's the only way to earn morale
- inf units are worthless past 1943
- and above all, it's fun!



One of the secret of this war is that i let a lot of good troops, including especially tank corps in the front line to be counter attacked by enemy forces in 1943 and 1944, because i noticed that during these counter attacks, the german troops took huge looses, while i thought i had so many tanks to spare.

And they did took huge looses. And i had 8000 tanks to spare.

Unfortunately, it looks like a failure :

- First, while formidable, my 8000 spare T-34 in 1943 were not enough and i lacked medium tanks since mid 1944.
- Second, although the german looses were heavy in such counter attacks, it looks like it was not enough to collapse the german army at all.





SparkleyTits -> RE: August 1945 (10/3/2018 11:42:13 AM)

Interesting note on the losses caused defensively Stelteck and I imagine that tactic would be useful against the way Stef is using his PzD aslong as you could keep your pools healthy against it but it's still a great lesson learnt and adapted for your next games

Stefs forces seem to have been taking a beating for awhile now I am surprised he has not degraded sufficiently at this point
I wonder if the changes to losses and disabled pool make the losses sustained seem worse than they are and we all need a few more games under the current patch to get used to the new numbers needed to be hit?
Whatever the case Stef adapted well to the recent changes with gains/losses in morale to keep his panzers relevant threats

Either way great AAR for insight and stats of both sides later in the war that we oft don't see

Great job both of you



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