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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (12/10/2019 10:59:09 PM)

Does the pilot in the Recon TRACOM pool eat by himself, shunned by the fighter and bomber jockies?



GetAssista -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (12/11/2019 10:08:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: John B.
Does the pilot in the Recon TRACOM pool eat by himself, shunned by the fighter and bomber jockies?

We salute the rank, not the man(c) It is experience that matters for the old boys club



John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (12/11/2019 11:48:03 AM)

:) Of all the pilots in the Japanese air force he is most likely to be alive at the end of the game. It's not like I have a crying need for one fabulous Recon pilot.



GetAssista -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (12/11/2019 12:02:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: John B.
:) Of all the pilots in the Japanese air force he is most likely to be alive at the end of the game. It's not like I have a crying need for one fabulous Recon pilot.

He can surely sit as a fabulous figurehead in some fighter training group, increasing the average xp and hence helping the guys to level up faster

Always wondered if TRACOM size is important only at the break of the month (for the elusive probability of faster school training), and one can put the experienced pilots somewhere else in the meantime. Did not have time to test



John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (12/11/2019 12:48:59 PM)

I have no idea. The fact that Japanese navy fighter pilots are coming into the training pool at 39 starting XP (compared to the army starting XP at 19) leads me to believe that it has some sort of effect. I've also been hiding guys in here to keep them from getting shot down until I got better planes flying over home territory. The main question is do I leave my CVs skulking in port and strip the planes off to go fight elsewhere or not.



John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (12/11/2019 5:22:23 PM)

Another day and not too much in the ground war. Scott continued to unload troops at Wenchow and satisfied himself with a bombardment as well as lots and lots of BBs. More BBs at Manila and he lost dive bombers over my tank corp heading to Kenshein. But, there are high Japanese Ops losses because . . . .

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (12/11/2019 5:25:26 PM)

A Japanese Kamikaze strike actually worked!!! [X(][&o][X(][&o] A group of Betties flying out of Saigon caught a transport TF near Manila and had a good time selecting and hitting targets. looks like at least one base force took a hard knock. I have one confirmed mid-sized AP down and I suspect 2-3 others will go down as I heard sinking sounds during the next naval repair phase.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (12/23/2019 1:58:21 AM)

We move into November 4, 1944. Hard turn of fighting in the air.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (12/23/2019 1:59:34 AM)

The losses would have been about even but a number of Helens were lost over Kenshien. I was surprised at how much CAP Scott had over that hex and he paid a small price to my fighter sweeps. But, the bombers did put some damage on the US airborne division there.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (12/23/2019 2:04:18 AM)

But, I did retake Kenshien. The town itself is basically irrelevant I just want the US casualties. I shock attacked it last turn and destroyed a number of vehicles. Adding in this turns losses and the numerous allied aircraft shot down by the flak and thus far Kenshien is a nice little victory for me. My AA turtle is not in good shape and I'm trying to get out of there now as Scott has been saturating it with dive bombers and his heavies but that distracted his airforce for a few turns which is a good thing.

FYI, on the previous slide the fighter losses were mainly over Nagasaki where we have had two days worth of airbattles with roughly the same amount of losses. I'm rotating squadrons in and out. I'm not getting any rest and have been unable to build up any real stockpile of planes but what can you do?

Scott has started to retake other Phillipine islands and thus has been slacking off on bombing Manila. This is letting my troops recover somewhat and my supply drain has been down somewhat.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (12/23/2019 2:06:57 AM)

Scott did get some of his back by pushing a regiment out of Chang Mai. I'm sure that regiment is doomed but it took a lot of Indians with him a few turns ago and helped to save the Burma front from collapse.

I have a top secret mission that just got underway this turn. Not a war winner but it will be a lot of fun if it works. More as it develops.



John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (12/25/2019 7:07:35 PM)

Another day and more dead planes. But a very good day in the air for the Empire of Japan. We had a decent exchange of fighter losses in the a.m. over Nagasaki (which still works out for me) but his bombers waited until the P.M. to bomber and took some heavy losses. They did wipe out Nagasaki's heavy industry but I figure it's always a plus to shoot down heavies.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (12/25/2019 7:11:16 PM)

The high betty losses were from a Kamikaze strike near Saigon. This is the second time in a week that I've caught a resupply convoy in the open sea with Betties. I think almost every plane got a hit. [&o] I saw two ships go down and there were a lot of sinking sounds during the naval repair phase. No troops were reported as lost so this must have been supply.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (12/25/2019 7:15:37 PM)

In China, Wenchow is creaking. It lost a fort level and took heavy losses. It would not surprise me is Scott shock attacked next turn and took the city. I do have blocking reinforcements on the way and nearly in position but every turn is precious in this regard. Scott continued his bombing of my armored fist at Kenshien but did not do significantly more damage than he had already done. He moved a unit in there so I may give it the same treatment the airborne got. :)

Merry Christmas everyone!

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (12/26/2019 6:28:38 PM)

While we wait for me to get to the next turn, here's an instructional video for the 16 inch gun!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OmOQs0ziSU



John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (12/31/2019 8:51:40 PM)

November 7th is now in the books. The flak at Manila appears to have gotten it's mojo back and Scott had some carriers that sent unescorted torpedo bombers over Nagasaki. The airfield at Manila is now under 50% damaged so the Tabby's seem to be able to fly supplies in again. But, now the supplies on the Asian mainland are runnig low. I have more resupply convoys heading to China let's just hope they make a difference.

Scott did fly sweeps over Nagasaki and I did not rotate out my squadrons there as they were still in ok shape.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (12/31/2019 8:54:28 PM)

There was a battle north of Wenchow where he shock attacked the retreating units. They took more losses but did not retreat again so I'll have at least one fresh division there next turn. Oddly, there was on bombing of that hex before he attacked. Also, you'll note that Scott has landed just off the mainland. I have landbased bombers ready to strike that hex and I'll run DD TFs through there in the next turn. Let's see if I can pick up some VP.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (1/3/2020 1:41:58 PM)

Another day, more planes shot down in flak alley. More dead troops to the big guns in Manila (honestly, you would think that the barrels in the 32 cm cannon would be worn out by now). Pretty ho hum. [>:][>:][>:] except. . . .

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (1/3/2020 1:48:17 PM)

It's on baby. Carrier battle, kamikaze strike, surface actions, fighter sweeps galore are on tap. [sm=00000055.gif]

I had planned to ground strike Scott's invasion troops south of Kyushu so I set up fighter sweeps. Once I did that I figured I might as well send in Kamikazes (but limited to the invasion fleet hex so that the CAP would be swept away, I know, hope springs eternal). Then, I figured I might as well use regular antiship squadrons, and, well the CVS have sat in Tokyo for a year not really doing anything and I might catch his carriers with limited CAP due to sweeps. And if the carriers are going out then the battleships might as well go too. Training squadrons are providing long range cap over the 7 fleet carriers and 5 escort carriers. The Hiei and the Mushashi have their own TFs, E's are attempting to keep subs at bay, my own subs are sprinting full speed to the battle zone and motor torpedo boats are speeding towards the invasion fleet as I type this.

Stay tuned.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (1/3/2020 4:42:25 PM)

So either I made a major mistake or there was problem with the game. But, my ground based planes went in and got slaughtered as expected. But, my two main carrier TFs were no where in site. Here is where they wound up, just three hexes outside of Tokyo, and the other circle is where they were supposed to go to.

I've seen ships go 1-2 hexes more or less than expected but I've never seen them miss it by so much. And, it really matters in this instance that it was such a big miss as it took them completely out of the battle.

More info. to follow.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (1/3/2020 4:43:40 PM)

Carrier TF at the start of the day. Yamaguchi aggression is 61, no ops points have been used and the ships are set to absolute in going to their target hex.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (1/3/2020 4:45:29 PM)

TF at the end of the day having only moved three hexes! They burned a little fuel but I can't see any indication as to why they would only go 1/3 of their speed and miss the battle entirely. Any input?

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BBfanboy -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (1/3/2020 5:50:23 PM)

The TF is set with "Retirement allowed", so it went to your target hex and then headed home before daylight.



Trugrit -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (1/3/2020 6:08:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

The TF is set with "Retirement allowed", so it went to your target hex and then headed home before daylight.


I'm not sure about that. We need to see the routing screen.

If I remember correctly three asterisks *** mean you are being followed.

Does he have a refuel Task Force following with a 1 hex standoff?
If so the Task force probably slowed down to allow it to maintain the standoff.

(!!) means threat tolerance absolute, I think.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (1/3/2020 9:48:19 PM)

Truegrit,

Here is the original routing screen. If BBfanboy's theory was true (and I do appreciate the input!) then the ships traveled 19 hexes while only set at mission speed and burned almost no fuel. You'll note, for example, that the CLAA Abukuma burned only 123 fuel which would not have been enough for a high speed run faster than it can go. Furthermore, there is no system damage to any ship which would be very odd for an ultra high burst of speed.

There was a second CV TF that I set to follow the first one in the same hex (I've done this many times without any seeming ill effect) and it had the same orders so there was no refueling that took place (note the fact that no ops points are indicated as being used). I did set it at absolute threat tolerance.

I also noticed that when I hover over the TF and click on it, it briefly shows a green routing path (indicating patrol zone) and then reverts to the yellow routing screen indicating a final destination hex. It does not stay on the green routing path so I've been unable to take a picture of it.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (1/3/2020 9:52:11 PM)

Then here is the routing screen for the second day. As you can see, the TF is still on the way to its destination hex which it would not be doing if it had gone there and come back.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (1/3/2020 10:03:55 PM)

Just to be complete, here is the TF screen for the following TF. You'll see no damage indicating a high speed run and take my word that there was very low fuel usage.

This sure looks like a bug to me (especially given the fact that for about half a second it highlights as a patrol zone and then reverts to the normal destination path).

The main reason I ask is that if it's operator error, then I take my lumps and go forward. If there is some bug then Scott and I have to figure out a fair resolution given that the glitch showed up at a critical time.

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BBfanboy -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (1/4/2020 4:43:17 AM)

What is the threat tolerance setting? If the enemy has SCTFs in the area your carriers are being routed to, them might balk at going forward.

EDIT: NM - I just saw your posting in the tech section showing Absolute tolerance. I'm beginning to see why you are mystified.



GetAssista -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (1/4/2020 11:52:15 AM)

Are both TFs on Absolute? Is there only one following TF for 217? Refuelling DDs?

Apart from that, "Retirement allowed" might've screwed things up in unknown ways just like it sometimes does with bombardment run-ins, were a TF tries to time its approach and thus loiters for one turn on the edge of the range. Why would you want retirement allowed anyway if you needed the carriers close to the enemy the next turn?



John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (1/5/2020 12:53:39 AM)

Hi GetAssista,

Sorry for the delay in responding. I've detailed the various screens in the bug report section and so far the jury is out on whether it's a bug or a mistake on my part. But to specificaly answer your questoin the following TF was also a CV TF. Scott, who is a consummate gentleman, has agreed that I can change the ASW and TF follow and resend him the turn and he'll try to redo it from his point as best as he can recall and we'll just take it from there.



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