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Telemecus -> RE: 2x3+ 025-037 Tambov (3/26/2020 10:22:53 PM)

Turn 31 OOB
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Mamluke, Soviet South Commander
I'm curios, are you guys surprise on the Red Army quick Recovery? when I was analyzing the results for turn 18. even I though the Soviets would only make meager progress in Winter.

the Strength of the Red army, compared to how it was, even surprises me! of course a good part of that is because of the many rifle divisions we receive as reinforcements before the winter months.




Beria -> RE: 2x3+ 025-037 Tambov (3/27/2020 1:11:29 AM)

T031 Sov Tambov

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Darojax, Soviet Centre Commander
@Mamluke may I propose that you take control of all of our forces related to the Tambov pincer?


Mamluke, Soviet South Commander
I accept your request comrade.


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Mamluke, Soviet South Commander
South is Done and I have great news in the center!
I will name it the "medium" tambov pocket

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the yellow lines are a buffer line, meant to observe German MPs
the red lines are the real defense, actual cav corps!
decided to go conservative in order to ensure that the pocket is not broken, the Germans are close to the rail now..
that is 5 divisions + 2 inf regiments and with next turn still being January, I'm confident that the pocket will hold.
2nd Guards cav in the Northern Pincer is too weak right now, I will pull it back some 4 hexes for refit


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Erzac, Soviet Air Commander
"could you focus your recon West of Tambov? just to make sure they haven't bring some panzer divisions to counter attack"
Couldn't find any, just a single motorised unit as far as fast divisions are concerned


Mamluke, Soviet South Commander
ok, I can be a bit bold this turn!!


Erzac, Soviet Air Commander
Disclaimer: The Soviet air force is not responsible for any injuries sustained during operations based on its recon
But even flew some bombing missions to provide visibility there, so fairly certain there's no surprises


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timmyab, Axis Chief of Staff
My instinct is to concentrate North of Voro. If the trapped units can hold out for one turn then we can bring some serious force against them in two weeks time.


Telemecus, Axis Supreme Commander
I suspect the pocket might already be closed?


timmyab, Axis Chief of Staff
Morning. Looks like plans for a counterattack are academic now :smiley:




redrum68 -> RE: 2x3+ 025-037 Tambov (3/27/2020 2:15:01 AM)

Wow. The pocket looks pretty secure and impressive work pushing the units further into it. I would not want to be the Axis commander opening up that turn.




Beria -> RE: 2x3+ 025-037 Tambov (3/27/2020 7:43:43 AM)

T031 Sov Intel

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Darojax, Soviet Centre Commander
8th Panzer Division spotted in the light woods North East of Moscow! 110,39


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Mamluke, Soviet South Commander
hoo I've noticed, and the 7th panzer division has gone missing from it's level 4 town... axis are planning something.

and to make matters worse, the 2 Mountain divisions are also missing... after your turn, I will update the panzer tracker


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Mamluke, Soviet South Commander
Turn 31: 3 panzer divisions are at the front line now.... they are starting to get serious with us

there are still 4 Motorize divisions that can be mobilized... and the 2 Mountain divisions that where at Rostov previously are now MISSING!!

we can't be caught off guard this February...




Zorch -> RE: 2x3+ 025-037 Tambov (3/27/2020 11:19:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Beria

T031 Sov Tambov

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Darojax, Soviet Centre Commander


Mamluke, Soviet South Commander


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Mamluke, Soviet South Commander




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Erzac, Soviet Air Commander


Mamluke, Soviet South Commander


Erzac, Soviet Air Commander
Disclaimer: The Soviet air force is not responsible for any injuries sustained during operations based on its recon
But even flew some bombing missions to provide visibility there, so fairly certain there's no surprises


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timmyab, Axis Chief of Staff


Telemecus, Axis Supreme Commander


timmyab, Axis Chief of Staff


Keep dreaming...

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Telemecus -> RE: 2x3+ 025-037 Tambov (3/27/2020 6:41:38 PM)

T031 Sov Intel cont

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Mamluke, Soviet South Commander
hoo I've noticed, and the 7th panzer division has gone missing from it's level 4 town... axis are planning something.


Yes your intel is failing again. 7 Panzer is nowhere near the place you thought but is north of Moscow.

You may need to call your lawyers to invoke the disclaimer clause.

For lack of intelligence, not for failing to fulfill dreams or sexual fantasies...




Beria -> RE: 2x3+ 025-037 Tambov (3/27/2020 10:31:27 PM)

T031 Soviet Cavalry

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Mamluk, Soviet South Commander
for the Cavalry, refit is several times more important then infantry
the game system only builds 200 cav squads in the refit phase.
and another 200 in the normal logistics phase
+ the cav squads that where damage in the previous turn
and since every rifle division demands at least 1 or 2 cav squads, the refit phase is the only realistic chance for cav corps to build up strength.
don't leave cav corps on the front for too long, they will get depleted.




Telemecus -> RE: 2x3+ 025-037 Tambov (3/27/2020 10:36:03 PM)

T032 Axis Tambov

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Telemecus, Axis Supreme Commander
write off the centre, pull back - play safe for summer now I think
they have some low cvs at the entrance - but not worth getting them to live another turn?


timmyab, Axis South Commander
I wouldn't. Risks throwing good units after bad
Well it's certainly possible to break through to the tambov pocket, but it's risky. You'd potentially be putting your head into a noose.


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timmyab, Axis South Commander
Your decision Tele. This is what we pay you for :smiley: If you do attempt a rescue I recommend that you throw the kitchen sink at it, no half measures.


Telemecus, Axis Supreme Commander
[:)]
i can delegate this to our Centre commander
no pressure or anything [:)]


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Mamluke, Soviet South Commander
only making a comment now but, bet you guys didn't expect to lose 5 divisions this winter he?




Telemecus -> RE: 2x3+ 025-037 Tambov (3/28/2020 8:14:40 AM)

T032 Axis Tambov

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timmyab, Axis South Commander
I think aces suggestion to rout the armour brigades is a good one.


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Zorch -> RE: 2x3+ 025-037 Tambov (3/28/2020 12:50:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Telemecus

T032 Axis Tambov

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timmyab, Axis South Commander
I think aces suggestion to rout the armour brigades is a good one.



The question is whose armor will get routed [:D]

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joelmar -> RE: 2x3+ 025-037 Tambov (3/28/2020 2:09:32 PM)

...always bring traction-aids when going out in the snow... ;-)




Crackaces -> RE: 2x3+ 025-037 Tambov (3/28/2020 6:57:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Telemecus

T032 Axis Tambov

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timmyab, Axis South Commander
I think aces suggestion to rout the armour brigades is a good one.


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1.48:1 and no 88's [:-]




Telemecus -> RE: 2x3+ 025-037 Tambov (3/28/2020 7:27:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: joelmar
...always bring traction-aids when going out in the snow... ;-)


Spot the Canadian! [:D]




joelmar -> RE: 2x3+ 025-037 Tambov (3/28/2020 8:35:28 PM)

Yep... Russian blizzard? bah... here it's business as usual!




Beria -> RE: 2x3+ 025-037 Tambov (3/29/2020 1:28:28 PM)

T032 Soviet Tambov

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Erzac, Soviet Air Commander
Don't know if this one was spotted before [enemy motorized highlighted in red]
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Mamluke, Soviet South Commander
hooo, Danger zone! but it came too little to late!
I won't push forward anymore. I already have my pocket, time to start fortifying.







Beria -> RE: 2x3+ 025-037 Tambov (3/30/2020 12:36:40 AM)

T032 Soviet Tambov

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Mamluke, Soviet South Commander
a great Victory comrades consedering how far we have fallen, the Axis can be defeated!
they didn't even try to break then out!
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no air supplies either!


Darojax, Soviet Centre Commander
Hey, Mamluke. You wanna go first? I assume youre handing over control of my units?


Mamluke, Soviet South Commander
I would like to go 1st yes. let me just wipe out the pocket, its always nice to get easy wins with the cav and the rifle divisions to see if they became guards




Telemecus -> RE: 2x3+ 025-037 Tambov (3/30/2020 9:15:38 AM)

T033 Axis Tambov

Rail has caught up

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Zorch -> RE: 2x3+ 025-037 Tambov (3/30/2020 10:27:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Telemecus

T033 Axis Tambov

Rail has caught up

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That's wonderful! Now the Axis units can surrender much faster. [:D]

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Telemecus -> RE: 2x3+ 025-037 Tambov (3/30/2020 11:23:16 AM)

No chance with the babies these railways will be bringing up

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Zorch -> RE: 2x3+ 025-037 Tambov (3/30/2020 3:15:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Telemecus

No chance with the babies these railways will be bringing up

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One of these will send Thomas and Gustav home crying.

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EwaldvonKleist -> RE: 2x3+ 025-037 Tambov (3/30/2020 3:23:30 PM)

Outstanding tenacity and good counterblow by the Soviets here.
Gustav the railway gun-fond childhood memories come up [:D]




Telemecus -> RE: 2x3+ 025-037 Tambov (4/2/2020 3:32:02 PM)

I am a bit shocked by this - in Britain the Womens Auxiliary Air Force always wore trousers when in operations.

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ORIGINAL: Zorch
One of these will send Thomas and Gustav home crying.
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I do not mean to sound lewd. But if I was being shot down and had to bail out to parachute down in a skirt I would continue to feel over exposed.




joelmar -> RE: 2x3+ 025-037 Tambov (4/2/2020 3:39:59 PM)

lol... the russian singer Elena Vaenga and her back up singers often dress like that when she does Great Patriotic War remembrance shows with the Red Army, well maybe a bit tighter at the hips and sexier, but I didn't fully realize it was in fact reglementary dress during WWII

Maybe her tight dresses would be more appropriate to parachute!




Beria -> RE: 2x3+ 025-037 Tambov (4/2/2020 5:35:27 PM)

T033+ Sov Tambov Blizzard

A lesser Tambov pocket, followed by a greater one! We have much to be chuffed about from our Blizzard offensive around Tambov. But, as has been quoted before, an end to the offensive is called. For the rest of the blizzard the lines here remain static.

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Mamluke, Soviet South Commander
Strategic Intentions for February:
hey Guys, I want to talk about the strategic plans for February onwards
the Red Army has made a remarkable recovery and was able to push hard consedering the situation.
however, the truth is that our army as remain below 4.7 million men and 49K guns since the winter despite taking "reasonable losses" by Soviet standards
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to be blunt, the reason the South is seeing such success is because the Germans were very reluctant to use Motorize divisions and refuse to send out panzer divisions
not to mention keeping very high quality Infantry in the back.
coming February, that is going to change, drastically.
in one of my games , I played my winter offensive well, however as it it March, the Germans lost the 1st winter penalties and went on the offensive. he caught the red army with its pants down and the Soviet front in the South disintegrated. and I had about 5 Million men, a much stronger army then in this game.
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NEVER underestimate the Germans in 1942 is what am saying.
so in February I want to stop the offensive and begging preparing for defense. It's a shame I won't be able to recapture Voronezh, but building fortifications is more important.
as for the North, I also think it has stretch the front very well! tying down many German divisions. however we should stop attacking here and spare manpower and resources to enlarge the red army.
as for the center, the Moscow front. if able, perhaps the offensive should still continue.





joelmar -> RE: 2x3+ 025-037 Tambov (4/2/2020 5:48:38 PM)

yes, excellent advice... ;-)




Telemecus -> RE: 2x3+ 025-037 Tambov (4/2/2020 8:03:12 PM)

T025-037 Tambov Blizzard

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ORIGINAL: Beria
A lesser Tambov pocket, followed by a greater one! We have much to be chuffed about from our Blizzard offensive around Tambov. But, as has been quoted before, an end to the offensive is called. For the rest of the blizzard the lines here remain static.


I have to say well played. Two opportunities excellently spotted and well taken.

I think the genesis of the pockets actually lay in the pockets we made in the south up to the final one in Voronezh in the summer. You could see the liquidation of the final pocket left the Axis forces all out of place and unready for the blizzard. Forces that could have been on the front lines digging were instead elsewhere and only arrived just before the blizzard started - so instead centre forces were stretched down to cover the sector and left broken down to single regiments covering hexes. More could have been done immediately before the blizzard to flip several rows to Axis control when no Soviet forces were there, at least delaying the Soviet blizzard offensive by a turn or two just flipping them back again. Ultimately there was neither an all out hard defence or a running strategy but the worst elements of both. Virtually every turn there was spare rail cap and rear units available to be railed in - but the decision was always to just use enough to rescue the situation that turn but not thinking of future turns. The Soviet build up of units in the area was continually faster even though it did not have to be. The mountain units were allocated by agreement of ground commanders and were left in the south - many could have been railed up to the centre to face the crisis there. The Greater Tambov pocket in particular should not have been allowed. And finally in team terms we had three different commanders controlling the forces with North and South covering for some turns. So not ideal.




Telemecus -> 2x3+ 025-037 Quote of the Game (4/3/2020 10:11:06 AM)

Lictuel gave the quote of the game for 8MP http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4611432

- and repeats the feat in 2x3+ !

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Lictuel
Don't confuse jagerpanzer with panzerjarger
mega nitpick but still: it is Jagdpanzer and Panzerjäger
[;)]
Hunting tank and Tank hunter


Do not cross a German with mistakes in their language! [:(][&:][X(]




joelmar -> RE: 2x3+ 025-037 Quote of the Game (4/3/2020 2:20:24 PM)

[X(][:D]




Zorch -> RE: 2x3+ 025-037 Quote of the Game (4/3/2020 3:57:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Telemecus

Lictuel gave the quote of the game for 8MP http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4611432

- and repeats the feat in 2x3+ !

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Lictuel
Don't confuse jagerpanzer with panzerjarger
mega nitpick but still: it is Jagdpanzer and Panzerjäger
[;)]
Hunting tank and Tank hunter


Do not cross a German with mistakes in their language! [:(][&:][X(]

Don't confuser a Drug-Free zone with a Free Drug one.




Beria -> RE: 2x3+ 025-037 Quote of the Game (4/4/2020 1:38:03 PM)

I am with Lictuel here. German is a great language for philosophy and has an exactitude of meaning. If you are going to use it then use it right!

From what I have read the German High Command was completely blitzed up for most of the war so may as well have been a free drug zone.




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