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Telemecus, Axis Supreme Commander
been sent a message with other Soviet commander with a picture attached talking about offensive
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Neogodhobo, Soviet Supreme Commander
our deception failed, they sent back messages saying they did not look and deleted the message
they are too honest

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Crackaces, Axis North Commander
HEADLINE: The blizzard offense ended without a Soviet disaster..

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Neogodhobo, Soviet Supreme Commander
Im thinking of plan like this, for exemple.

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Where North and Central joins effort to cut off the Germans.
Troops in the black square would launch the initial assault in the direction of the black arrow. Before the assault though, troops in the red circle would have regroup in the red rectangle, and ready to push trough the hole made by black troops. Red Troops would then either continue to envelop the Germans by pursuing Green Arrow, or choose to pursue the main objective ( Moscow ) by going blue arrow.

Im thinking this would destabilize the Germans into getting attacked from a direction they wouldnt expect. Of course, this would mean that central front wouldnt have any reserve units as they were all used for the surprise offensive.

This is the type of things I want to see in the plans coming. unexpected attack direction, joint effort from different front, outside of the box thinking.

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Darojax, Soviet Centre Commander
You suggesting we abandon the Gorky fortifications? They will of course start to degrade.
... we are playing with reduced blizzard effect and considering the state of the Red Army currently I really do not see how we can positively conduct any major break through winter offensives. Pushing the front back on a general basis is our best bet I would say, but even this I feel is very optimistic...

However, we are here to have fun. : ) Your plan looks like it, so if what you suggest above stands I will start moving troops. Just give me the go. Sorry for being a bore.

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Mamluke, Soviet South Commander
It looks promising, but I advise that an offensive south words should be opportunistic in nature. only attack for Victories, not territory. Came winter your supply situation will be bad, with it already being 19 Mp's in summer, and with out a functioning rail east of the Volga.
Besides, you can't lower your guard against the Fins just yet, any big gains in territory you make south words will have to be abandon came summer unless decently reinforced, we can't risk such an encirclement until we confirm where the Axis placed all of its mobile assets.

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Neogodhobo, Soviet Centre Commander
we have Operation Sleeping Snake, part of the Winter campaign of 41-42 that has been talked about with the Central Front.

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Our main offensive will take place in the center, so we will need to know what is the German offensive and defensive capabilities in that sector. More specifically north of Moscow

I'm thinking they will massively retreat when we start to attack
They can afford it

Our main offensive rely on them not retreating Wich makes me anxious

As long as the Black German divisions are destroyed, the operation will be considered a success.

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Darojax, Soviet Centre Commander
I hope you are right. Im putting a lot of faith in our 1st Shock Army, its getting a lot of the cavalry corpsSoviet Centre

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Mamluke, Soviet Centre Commander
I like it that you want to focus on eliminating divisions. however a word of moderation, the horrible mobility in Blizzard and our lack of motorize units( with needed MP's) means that to achieve encirclement, the Germans need to be stubborn. I will do our best Boss!

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ORIGINAL: Beria

T025-037 Soviet North Blizzard: Operation Sleeping Snake

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Neogodhobo, Soviet Centre Commander
we have Operation Sleeping Snake, part of the Winter campaign of 41-42 that has been talked about with the Central Front.

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Our main offensive will take place in the center, so we will need to know what is the German offensive and defensive capabilities in that sector. More specifically north of Moscow

I'm thinking they will massively retreat when we start to attack
They can afford it

Our main offensive rely on them not retreating Wich makes me anxious

As long as the Black German divisions are destroyed, the operation will be considered a success.

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Darojax, Soviet Centre Commander
I hope you are right. Im putting a lot of faith in our 1st Shock Army, its getting a lot of the cavalry corpsSoviet Centre

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Mamluke, Soviet Centre Commander
I like it that you want to focus on eliminating divisions. however a word of moderation, the horrible mobility in Blizzard and our lack of motorize units( with needed MP's) means that to achieve encirclement, the Germans need to be stubborn. I will do our best Boss!

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ORIGINAL: Telemecus

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ORIGINAL: Zorch
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ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS
But this can't be!!! I saw Colonel Hessler die when the fuel drum rolled under his tank at the American fuel depot!!! [&:]

The whole thing must have been faked by the NKVD to cover up his defection.

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ORIGINAL: Telemecus

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ORIGINAL: Zorch
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ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS
But this can't be!!! I saw Colonel Hessler die when the fuel drum rolled under his tank at the American fuel depot!!! [&:]

The whole thing must have been faked by the NKVD to cover up his defection.

But this cannot be - SPECTRE's agent was killed two pages ago by Bond!!!

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ORIGINAL: Telemecus

I refuse to be preached to by a guy who can master the Force but cannot master simple English grammar
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You wait until Lictuel gets you with his PanzerFlammen and JagerBombers!

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Darojax, Soviet Centre Commander
The 1st Shock Army is actually going to just west of Rybinsk lake.
There are no rails really close to there, so if our offensive starts at turn 25 and the cav corps are only ready on turn 25 then they wont be able to participate in offensive ops of the 1st Shock Army.

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Mamluke, Soviet South Commander
I can rail cav divisions before hand, and on turn 25, merge then, I can do that
so you might have at least a couple right in the beginning
so as close to Rybisk reservoir as possible?

Darojax, Soviet Centre Commander
Okay then,...
Are those cav corps really powerful?

Mamluke, Soviet South Commander
yep, with a level 5 or 6 inf leader and attachment I think you can get 20 to 28 CV easily
during Blizzard, Soviet CV is doubled
and the sky battalions make then good at hasty attacks thanks to its CV

Darojax, Soviet Centre Commander
Okay. Then please send 4 cav corps to the area west of Rybinsk lake, and if you could please attach them to the 1st Shock Army so commander north doesnt get confused and steals them : ) Dont worry about too much CP, I will adjust
Or we could just tell him
But he doesnt communicate very much
So it is a risk

Then I request 3 cav corps sent to my forces just east of Ivanovo
Thast 38th and 49th Armies

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Mamluke, Soviet South Commander
ok so: 4 west of Rybisk resevoir; 3 at Ivanovo
@Darojax 7 Cav corps on route to North, we can rail the 3 Corps to your South in turn 24 since its so close

Darojax, Soviet Centre Commander
4 of those 7 going to 1st Shock, right?

Mamluke, Soviet South Commander
you decide that comrade, I'm merely delivering then to you I've already organized each stack by quality, just click on one of the divisions to found out
next turn you decide where to drop then

Darojax, Soviet Centre Commander
Ok, its just that 1st Shock Army is quite the ways away, west of the Reservoir.

Mamluke, Soviet South Commander
only 4 or 5 corps are of the best quality, I assume you want to put the best under the best leader

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Darojax, Soviet Centre Commander
there are still 2 cav corps in the Northern front not assign to 1st shock army
They are not assigned because they are not going to be in combat this turn and because if I assign them now there will be penalties for the other units in the army
Another army is enroute to deal with the situation...
for next turn! : )

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KenchiSulla, Axis South Commander
Should be about 15 cav corps max if they haven't made more so some will be hidden in areas that aren't clear
Hopefully they aren't all hidden E of Ivanovo

We only got 9 cavalry spotted?

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Xhoel, Axis Air Commander
North looks clear of cav
a lot of Soviet assets there though

it's just two so far
right in front of Ivanovo

looks like they just got railed
yeah its a scary sight

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Darojax, Soviet Centre Commander
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...
Thats our strongest division in the Red Army atm
Just please dont compare it to the german units : P

Part of 1st Shock Army

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Interesting battle result from Crackaces


Their comment to me "One battle to look at is at 103,26. 39 Soviet AFV's lost (some more damaged) to a unit with a panzerjager SU! Those 50mm hurt light tanks We need to be smart about stuffing the 50mm panzerjagers where those Soviet armor brigades are contributing … (Don't confuse jagerpanzer with panzerjarger "

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Not sure if that is due to the 50mm … Could be

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the algorithm matches SUs and other elements with each other randomly - so in theory there should be a very low probability they match in the battle resolution - but when they do I guess it has an impact

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quite impressive results
its a bit of a shame that the engine matches elements randomly though
AFAIK in WITW and WITE 2 that has been changed

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for a while I started to think that random matching made special equipment like anti tank guns pointless
but I think from results we can see
that even if they are rarely matched
when they do the results are so spectacular
that the impact compensates for the low probability

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hmmm well in this case it sure did

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Just been chatting more with Crackaces on that tank result - if you are into that micro detail like we are here are the latest thoughts from Crackaces "Not sure what blizzard does tactically except reduce CV; however, light woods is interesting. Normally the attacker opens the affair with their longest ranged weapons until the defense has a device in range; however, light woods modifies the engagement range. Instead of the offensive longest range – it is a rnd (x) range that is shorter. BTW ) Urban is the worse with a rnd(x) possibility of the start of pleasantries beginning at infantry ranges .

My speculation now is that because of the light woods, something else besides Soviet artillery started things and after an exchange of platitudes, a threshold was reached where the attacker ceased advance. If you notice with the spam attacks and low loss rates – the only explanation for this is an algorithm that checks the attacker vs. defender in terms of adjusted CV and when a threshold is reached -- the attack stops. I see a change in version 1.08 where on message level 2 you can see this calculation after each combat round. (Sort of gets lost at message level 7 [:'(] )

A look at the rules (26.1.4) shows that tanks contribute a lot to the physical CV portion of this formula. Whether it was anti-tank in MG’s or 50mm anti-tank guns – losing the use of 49 tanks significantly changed the balance of CV in the battle and the attack stopped before the howitzers could fire."

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"Amateurs talk about tactics, but professionals study logistics."

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Mamluke, Soviet South Commander
cav managment complete.
your cav corps is on rail to your front, by next turn it will arrive and be ready to join the action at once, prepare the army of your choice.
Comrades, all cavalry now has the attachments of ski and engineers

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Ammo is a problem
Some fin regiments are nearly out

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yes - noticed a few 0% even
I will ask Xhoel to prioritise some supplies to them

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aye will resupply them, will have to transfer transport groups from other sectors but it will be done

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Darojax, Soviet Centre Commander
I attempted much stronger attacks more north in the front that failed miserably.
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Think its gone decent everywhere except for the 20th Army
Couldnt push as far as Id wanted. 20th Army is the one that 1st Shock Army is supposed to meet up with when we encircle the enture german army east of the reservoir!
Also you asked me if I want anything reinforced, well the cav corps. Weakest have priority. Otherwise nothing specific
Ive set some of my units that became unready after fighting on refit
(after pulling them back)

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Mamluke, Soviet South Commander
ok looks good, you might still pull off an encirclement near the reservoir if the Huns don't fall back
regardless. you will get a wide front soon to push on better

Darojax, Soviet Centre Commander
Hope so
Midsummer '42 in Berlin!
: O

Hobotangi, Soviet Supreme Commander
All our ressources were put for this encirclement. Get it done people
We need to cripple the Germans as much as possible

Darojax, Soviet Centre Commander
Yeh, its not doing much progress, fighting entrenched full divisions
im afraid this is all that will happen this turn as far as the 1st shock goes:
But I think he huns will start sweating a bit in regards to their divisions close to the reservoir.
Actually one more succesful attack there
I wish I had a better feel for how strong these cav corps are
I now made one hasty attack with 1 cav corps+1 strong inf division against a full german division and we won decisively

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Mamluke, Soviet South Commander
Couple of attacks, swatting back their guys but an enormous cost. Team, wonders if this is really working out for us

Darojax, Soviet Centre Commander
A little, but it is slow. We forced the germans to pull back slightly.
In the center that is.

Hobotango, Soviet Supreme Commander
Yeah. No I saw the progress in the center on the picture, great job on that !! Better thab I could have imagined.

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ORIGINAL: Beria

T028 Soviet North[/l]

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Mamluke, Soviet South Commander
Couple of attacks, swatting back their guys but an enormous cost. Team, wonders if this is really working out for us

Darojax, Soviet Centre Commander
A little, but it is slow. We forced the germans to pull back slightly.
In the center that is.

Hobotango, Soviet Supreme Commander
Yeah. No I saw the progress in the center on the picture, great job on that !! Better thab I could have imagined.

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ORIGINAL: Zorch
Anyone have a pic of the Kremlin with German insignia? [:D]

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ORIGINAL: Telemecus

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ORIGINAL: Zorch
Anyone have a pic of the Kremlin with German insignia? [:D]

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