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Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/6/2018 2:05:59 PM)

Alright... Well...you are more experienced than me so... Il have to believe you.


note to self... Darojax argues my orders...again... - Stalin




Darojax -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/6/2018 2:11:11 PM)

Sir, Stalin, sir. I'll gladly take more micromanagial orders from yourself. I've moved our troops in accordance what I believe will be most beneficial, but had you shown me exactly how you wanted the defensive line I would gladly have arranged them accordingly. It's just that now it was too late anyhow and I wanted to motivate the decision.

Should I pack my bags for the Gulag sir?




Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/6/2018 2:14:45 PM)

The gulag can wait Marshall, but I swear, one of these days....pif paf, straight to the gulags.

(was not sure if the reference was going to get understood so I included a clip) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSwopPDl3Oo




Mamluke -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/6/2018 4:47:26 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Darojax

Center done.

Not enough capacity for a worth-while defensive ring around Yaroslavl, although the city is still defended (CV 60). Also not enough capacity for any kind of depth defense in regards to the Volga line (except West of Gorky).

Supreme Commander, despite your orders of the new defensive line, with the collapse of the Southern Front I regret to inform that Tambov is undefendable, and the southern Volga front is looking very vulnerable. Most likely will have to adjust the defensive line (red line on image).

Should we continue defending Rostov (and Voroshilovgrad)? Those troops wont last on their own and perhaps it would be better to have them move East and North at best speed to extend the southern Volga front. There is still time if we want to do this. If we wait they could become cut off entirely.

I would suggest diverting most northern reinforcements to the south instead where the situation is highly critical. The North Front can fall back considerably without losing more than just ground, no critical cities there that we need defending at the moment. There is also alot of forest and heavy forest excellent for defense.

o7 Sir.



I strongly disagree comrade Darojax, Rostov has the Don river behind it, now that I have sufficient troops I can fortify it, I'm also defending Voroshilovgrad because of its Industry,
3 Armaments and 4 Heavy Industry! I'm not just going to hand that over to the Germans for free considering I have the river and much space from the nearest enemy unit.
Rostov also has Immense Industry! 15 Armaments and 4 Heavy Industry, since it is a Light urban hex, It can be easily defended. it already has a level 2 fort, and 4 more turns I can get level 3.
the reason I'm confident with the Strategy is because the Axis committed their mobile units to the Voronezh pocket, it will take 2 turns of redeployment to threaten Rostov.
and I'm also counting on the mud! it will pretty much freeze my entire front (frankly I deserve a freaking break as well), why should I give up such an advantage for little risk? the Axis has only a couple of Infantry, some Romanian to attack against my forces in the south.




Mamluke -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/6/2018 5:02:04 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Neogodhobo

"Also not enough capacity for any kind of depth defense in regards to the Volga line"

Now the turn is done, Il go back a save and show you what I meant by deep defense.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/f5jkrXm.png[/img]



And so as a whole, it would look something like this :


[img]https://i.imgur.com/VfFsT4I.png[/img]


while the defense in depth is the better way to stop German mobility. the situation in the north is different, if our units at the Volga are to weak, its possible an hasty attack from a panzer could break it! (unlikely because of high disruption for mechanize units, but it is possible!) if that is the case, the German panzers and Motorize would only need 15 MP for an hasty attack instead of the 28 MP needed for an full on attack.
and if the Germans can get just one Mot or panzer north of the Volga, we are NOT pushing it back.
and this way, Comrade Dorajax troops can build level 1 forts in time for the Volga! further securing the river line.

Comrade Dorajax, 60 defensive CV will have to do, I've counted the construction value of the divisions, its enough to build a level 1 fort in one turn.
did you guys know that Forts are build during the enemy logistics phase?




Darojax -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/6/2018 5:21:45 PM)

Very well. The frontline between Center and South fronts is now as good as gone, that was my chief concern.


Regarding the in-depth defence:

Having an all-round-weak in-depth defense with CV between 1-6 would MAYBE buy us another week, if we are lucky. However, I think you are underestimating the enemy if you think a 3 unit deep wall of very low resistance will do much. It will be one hasty attack victory after another for them, no difficulties.

Regardless, ponder we did that, at what cost? It would draw away manpower from and considerably weaken the Volga defensive line, which would now increase its fortification level slower towards level 1. We would also permanently lose a lot of men and units, not only because of casualties from battles (all losses for sure), but also because many more of our units would likely be encircled, isolated and destroyed, something we were told must not happen!


Let's be frank and realistic here gentlemen. There is no way to stop the enemy from crossing at any point along the Volga considering our current manpower and the strength of the enemy, regardless of what strategy we use, it would be folly to believe otherwise. Our concerns on the frontline at this stage are to stall the enemy while not losing more men and units to encirclements, while surviving until the Rasputitsa. This is what I've strived for.




Darojax -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/6/2018 5:29:49 PM)

That all being said, if Supreme Command orders me to do things in a specific way I will of course do it. I just wasn't aware how badly you wanted the in-depth defense. Had I known, I would have moved the units accordingly. At the point where I realized how important you felt this strategy to be I had already made my turn. I would re-do it if I did not know it is against the rules.




Mamluke -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/6/2018 5:37:05 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Darojax

Very well. The frontline between Center and South fronts is now as good as gone, that was my chief concern.


Regarding the in-depth defence:

Having an all round weak in-depth defense with CV between 1-6 would MAYBE buy us another week, if we are lucky. However, I think you are underestimating the enemy if you think a 3 unit deep wall of very low resistance will do much. It will be one hasty attack victory after another for them, no difficulties.

Regardless, ponder we did that, at what cost? It would draw away manpower from and considerably weaken the Volga defensive line, which would now increase its fortification level slower towards level 1. We would also permanently lose a lot of men and units, not only because of casualties from battles (all losses for sure), but also because many more of our units would likely be encircled, isolated and destroyed, something we were told must not happen!


Let's be frank and realistic here gentlemen. There is no way to stop the enemy at Volga considering our current manpower and the strength of the enemy, regardless of what strategy we use, it would be folly to believe otherwise. Our concerns on the frontline at this stage are to stall the enemy while not losing more men and units to encirclements, while surviving until the Rasputitsa. This is what I've strived for.


I do think we can stop then at the Volga line, if only because the Rasputitsa is coming soon and they might lack the MPs to do an attack,
and you shouldn't underestimate Light Urban Hexes.

regardless your Lines look good and flexible, and the North Volga line is strong enough.




Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/6/2018 5:43:28 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Darojax
Let's be frank and realistic here gentlemen. There is no way to stop the enemy


What is this DEFEATISM !! WE WILL HOLD THE LINE MARSHALL !! [:@]


___

hhhm but yeah, alright, I had ideas of grandeur wanting to hold the Volga. I really fear what it will mean to try to take it back. For the winter offensive, I really want to get to Moscow at the very least.


Anyway as I mention before. During the defensive part, Marshalls can apply their own judgement and strategy. Its more during the offensive where I will take a bigger step into controlling whats happening.




Mamluke -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/6/2018 8:27:08 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Neogodhobo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mamluke

average rifle division: 70% ToE
average rifle brigade: 70% ToE
average Cavalry division: 80% ToE
average tank Brigades: 70% ToE

only the really good units can keep full ToE, the naval brigades for exe, can have 90%

needless to say, I would like to apply this to the north as well of course on my own front.

Still need the Supreme Commanders blessing of course.



TOE will be executed in that manner. Seeing as how Mamluke seems to be the most experienced players. We will go with his wisdom on this. Dont fail us Marshall.




just to confirm, will Supreme leader be the one to change ToE of the entire Red army, or are you giving me permission to do it my self?




Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/6/2018 8:32:15 PM)

Every Marshall is responsible for his TOE. Well, unless you want to do it all, I dont mind either way.




Mamluke -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/6/2018 9:31:08 PM)

Cool, I will ask North commander to fallow our settings, for the benefit of the Red army.




Mamluke -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/7/2018 2:41:47 PM)

I did the final air turn.
I change the ToE settings for the North as well as the on map Units under Stavka, if the front commanders don't like my settings they may change it of course, I just ask to consider the well being of the entire Red Army before making changes.




Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/7/2018 4:53:04 PM)

Turn 16 is in people.

Lets hope everything turns out okay. Mamluke Im very impressed by what you did in the pockets !


Also, I was called in for work a week ago, so I am leaving on the 29th March. The closest Il be able to do my turn after this really depends on a number of factors, but I am guessing between the 5th and 7th April.
I will be back in October. But as soon as my set up is done, Il be able to do turns on a regular basis. It all depends on the internet Il be having over there as well, but it shouldn't change much. Although, if I die, then I wont be able to do any turn, for obvious reasons ;) its unlikely to happen, but you never know.

But everything should be fine, and I will do my best to set up my stuff rather quickly. By the 10th of April I should be good to go, just be aware though that I cant always get the internet over there and sometime I might be out of internet for a few days.




Mamluke -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/7/2018 5:04:43 PM)

best wishes for your work, and I bring good news to cheer the mod already! the Fascist admit that there is mud in the Center zone!! they now have to bath in mud and slow down rail construction!
and the troops I position should really make life heel for the German spear head!




Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/7/2018 6:17:37 PM)

Hurrah ! Hurrah !!

Finally some good news. We should inflict as much damage as possible to their motorized and Tank divisions. Maybe carpet bombing them while they are stuck in the mud, or something!




Darojax -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/7/2018 6:47:26 PM)

Good news indeed




thedoctorking -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/8/2018 11:18:13 PM)

When our next turn comes around, I suggest that we set units with 40+ exp to 100% TOE. The rest can be at 70% or 80% as appropriate. The few remaining pre-war formations that we have should have priority for new replacements if we are having a shortage.




thedoctorking -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/8/2018 11:23:50 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Neogodhobo

Turn 16 is in people.

Lets hope everything turns out okay. Mamluke Im very impressed by what you did in the pockets !


Also, I was called in for work a week ago, so I am leaving on the 29th March. The closest Il be able to do my turn after this really depends on a number of factors, but I am guessing between the 5th and 7th April.
I will be back in October. But as soon as my set up is done, Il be able to do turns on a regular basis. It all depends on the internet Il be having over there as well, but it shouldn't change much. Although, if I die, then I wont be able to do any turn, for obvious reasons ;) its unlikely to happen, but you never know.

But everything should be fine, and I will do my best to set up my stuff rather quickly. By the 10th of April I should be good to go, just be aware though that I cant always get the internet over there and sometime I might be out of internet for a few days.



Where are you going, if you don't mind my asking? Hope you can stay safe.

Dlya Rodiny!




Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/9/2018 1:06:00 AM)

I work in Forestry, to observe and report wildfires. So I work alone in the forest. I mention dying just because my wife will be driving me and its her first time driving and shel have to drive 4,000 km. haha. It should be okay though.




Darojax -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/9/2018 1:08:49 AM)

4,000km that's 1/10th around Earth! Btw, have you played Firewatch?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d02lhvvVSy8




Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/9/2018 3:17:40 PM)

Yeah I played Firewatch ;) I can say its highly unrealistic of the job. But a very fun game nonetheless , haha.




Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/10/2018 8:30:55 PM)

Quick update guys, the Germans are going to take an extra day or two to do the turn. They said they have a lot to prepare........

MOUAHAHAHAHA WINTER IS COMING !! [&o]




Mamluke -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/11/2018 2:42:28 PM)

(insert obvious GoT reference here)




Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/11/2018 6:45:00 PM)

GoT ? EDIT: ( Nevermind I googled it ;) )




Mamluke -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/14/2018 1:02:10 PM)

Comrades, I want to share with you my standard for Experience and training of the red Army.
in the fallowing turns, this will be very important to determine what formations go where, arrange good army placements for offensive operations and keep momentum well in to January.

we should have a discussing, what do you guys think? do you agree with my standards?

Minimal training - lower then 20 Experience and low Morale (30ish or lower)

These are raw recruits. they are unreliable in combat, provide shallow CV even in defense, useless for offensive operations (not just because of low CV but also lose too much mps in enemy hexes, take larger loses then normal,etc.
I highly recommend these units be kept at least 10 hexes away from the front line until they finish basic training,
they would only provide the illusion of a ready combat unit at the front line, they also have a higher probability of routing.
I would only ever used then if desperate and/or on harsh terrain against limited Axis opposition.


Basic Training - Experience 23-26 and about 40 morale.

this milestone is only to represent the unit reaching experience level half of national morale, once reach they will only gain 1 experience per turn, so no real reason to keep then away from the front line.


Decent Training - Experience above 30 and above 40 morale.

this is what I call "decent divisions", they have enough construction value to build a level 1 fort in 2 turns. can muster a decent CV on offense.
we should try to avoid losing then in pockets. since it takes more then 2 months to reach this level.


Good Training - Experience above 40 and above 40/45 morale.

this is the Ideal milestone, these are the good divisions and are the key to an successful defense and offense.
these should NEVER be on the front lines baring some exceptions, always on the 2nd or 3rd line of defense.
these divisions should NEVER be risked to be pocketed!!! even if there presence could have reopen the pocket, losing a division like this will be far more hurtful.


Excellent training - Experience above 50 and above 50/60 morale.

what I said before goes double for this one.
these divisions can form the crack army, that can possible stop a Axis offensive in its tracks or spearhead one, put then under Zhukov or any great leader and they will conquer the world (hint: Germany :) ).




Mamluke -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/14/2018 7:43:56 PM)

turn 16 is in, it seams our brave soldiers in the South won't escape after all :(

Supreme commander, I ask that you leave exactly 57 000 rail capacity to evacuate the last Industries in Danger. Tambov's armaments can still be saved, we must not waste this opportunity.

I just hope Yaroslavl can hold...




Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/14/2018 9:46:51 PM)

Railway granted.

Supcom turn done.




Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/14/2018 9:48:02 PM)

Some of you commanders are going to start seeing some reinforcement. Tank brigades have made their own South. Infantry division has started to arrive in the Center. Cavalry Division are starting to make their way North.
Reinforcement should come quicker for the next few turns.




Darojax -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/14/2018 10:20:05 PM)

Commander, with the current situation in mind, especially the state of the Southern Front, any specific orders for the Center Front? Obviously the south flank of Center Front is now quite vulnerable. Should I start efforts on the defensive line suggested here? http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4447351

I'm suspecting the Axis will try to break the Volga defenses north of Yaroslavl in order to force the retreat of our Northern Front units. Or they feel confident and will just continue to push straight east. Anyway, north of Yaroslavl is most exposed, so unless otherwise instructed I will put emphasis on defenses there, along with district Gorky. Hopefully the Rasputitsa will come to the east very very soon.




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