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Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/2/2018 10:39:44 PM)
Darojax, dont forget to put all STAVKA units into HQs of your own. Else, they suffer penalty. EDIT : Also, Moscow Military District ( Green HQ nearby Tamboy ) is GREATLY exposed... Probably forgot about him but it would be a good idea to move him around, closer to his units near Yaroslavl.

Darojax -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/2/2018 10:43:08 PM)
I believe penalty is only for combat? None of the front line units are unassigned. I'm trying to not exceed the HQs command limit and doing some unit juggling in the rear.

Darojax -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/2/2018 10:48:26 PM)
Also, please read my previous post on bottom of page 18 regarding Moscow Military District HQ. The unit is being relocated every turn, but never moves more than a couple of hexes. The unit does not have movement points of its own at the beginning of turns, so only way to move it is by RELOCATE option. Was like this when I took over as Central Commander.

Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/2/2018 10:50:59 PM)
Oh okay, I see. Note to self : Marshall Darojax argues my order - Stalin.

Darojax -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/2/2018 11:47:19 PM)
[img]http://i.imgur.com/vR1FinG.gif[/img] "Stalin looking into your soul"

Mamluke -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/3/2018 12:04:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thedoctorking BTW, do we really want all these divisions at less than 100% TOE max? There's a whole page on the commander's report that have 20% maximum. Anybody on my front is going to get set to 100%. quote: ORIGINAL: Darojax Noticed this as well, I set all my units at 100%. That is ill advise. its a common and logical strategy to funnel manpower, Armaments and Armour fighting Vehicles (AFV) to the combat units that will make the difference. we simply don't have enough manpower, and soon armaments to equip all we have in the field. allow me to demonstrate. we gain about 119 000 manpower per turn for now and a average a 20K to 40K return wounded. in turn 15 the reinforcements of skeleton units are as fallows: 11 Rifle divisions, 10000 men per division: 1000011 = 110 000 5 tank Brigades, 1800 men per unit: 18005 = 9000 3 cavalry divisions, 4000 per division: 40003 = 12000 a total of 131000 men are needed to fully equipped out the reinforcements. in turn 16 the reinforcements of skeleton units are as fallows: 13 Rifle divisions, 10000 men per division: 1000013 = 130 000 14 tank Brigades, 1800 men per unit: 180014 = 25 200 12 Rifle Brigades, 4000 men per brigade: 400012 = 48 000 a total of 203 200 manpower is needed to equip all reinforcements for turn 16 alone! and a might have miss a couple of units. and I not even counting the units that are still at low TOE, commanders report shows we have at least 30 rifle divisions at 20% ToE. and of course, there is still the tons of reinforcements for the fallowing turns until, during and beyond winter. I encourage my comrades to calculate the manpower needs for future reinforcements, it helps to know the situation for the future red army. Let's not forget that we need manpower reserves to fill out casualties on the front lines. If we look at Army Status, in the bottom of the logistic Event log (shift-e) it will show under balance: -720 000, we still lack 720 000 manpower to have TOE at 100% and reinforcements are still coming. in my opinion. we should try to have the good divisions, the +40 morale +40 experience have 100% or at least 90% TOE. those units, under great leaders are the ones that make the real difference, not only do they have higher CV, they take less loses in combat. have high construction value because of the experience. the good rifle division can build a level 2 fort in 3 to 4 turns. while a below average division (25 exp. 35 morale) can take 3 turns just to build a level 1 fort!! Speaking of experience. I think its important long term. to try and have as many combat units on training as possible. right now, experience raises like this: fresh formations start at 10 to 15 experience, normally the experience goes up by 1, if the units is 10 hexes away from an enemy unit, the experience can raise by 3 per turn until it reaches half of national morale. For us right now, its about 22/23 experience. a decent division should have at least 30 exp. but as you can see, it can take many turns to reach it. that is why its important to fill up those skeleton formations to at least 70% TOE. so they can train up and have a decent amount of these trained units ready for Blizzard. quote: ORIGINAL: thedoctorking OK, mission accomplished. Bombed every hex that had Finns in it twice, established a solidish line. If the Germans don't push my way I'll stay where I am and see if I can tempt the Finns into attacking. I'll make inflicting losses on Finns my principal objective. I have an extra HQ now. If there are a half-dozen divisions coming in that we can spare for it, great, if not I'm prepared to let Rokossovsky go to some good home farther south. I CALL DIBS ON ROKOSSOVSKY! have a lot of good divisions that need good leadership. and the South is the prime place for an winter offensive. quote: ORIGINAL: Darojax South Commander! Please relocate Moscow Military District HQ for me, it is completely exposed. Been trying for 2 turns to get it out of harms way, but alas... Also a reminder, please move the Center Air Bases to safety, I did not touch them so some of them are exposed. meh, the Moscow M.D its kind of pointless. it never gets mobility I think. the only useful feature of the Military districts HQ is they can transfer command of units for free. I already removed the SU from it. just ignore it, it will run away from the enemy on it's own.

Darojax -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/3/2018 12:12:26 AM)
Okay, South Commander, feel free to modify the TOE of the Central Command units during your turn (this turn only please), I trust your judgement. : ) (Also, if we fail, Stalin will know who made these adjustments) ^^

Mamluke -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/3/2018 12:39:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darojax Okay, South Commander, feel free to modify the TOE of the Central Command units during your turn (this turn only please), I trust your judgement. : ) (Also, if we fail, Stalin will know who made these adjustments) ^^ ho, so great that I can count on you to watch my back he comrade? [:D] I'm thinking of settings like: average rifle division: 70% ToE average rifle brigade: 70% ToE average Cavalry division: 80% ToE average tank Brigades: 70% ToE only the really good units can keep full ToE, the naval brigades for exe, can have 90% needless to say, I would like to apply this to the north as well of course on my own front. Still need the Supreme Commanders blessing of course.

Mamluke -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/3/2018 1:02:36 AM)
by Comrade Darojax request, I change the ToE of central front to the settings I recommended above. of course, is up to each commanders judgment, if you feel a certain unit deserves all the reinforcements. but I urge you to think about the entire Red Army!! My turn is finished, all yours Supreme commander.

Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/3/2018 1:08:17 AM)
Edit : turn is done and sent.

Darojax -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/3/2018 1:26:44 AM)
Comrade-gentlemen, let us remember what Comrade-General Rokossovsky has said: Немецкая армия - это машина, и машины могут быть сломаны! or in English The German army is a machine, and machines can be broken!

Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/3/2018 6:08:30 AM)
Good News Everyone ! The axis team are taken aback by our quick moves and are completely surprised to see our troops moving so fast. I heard news that they didn't even have time to plan anything and now they are force to rush things a bit. Doing the turn quick definitely turned into our favor this time :D The Machines is already starting to rust.

Mamluke -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/3/2018 12:03:54 PM)
that is good to hear comrade!

thedoctorking -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/4/2018 5:48:17 AM)
I generally just put everybody at 100% and let them compete for replacements. I don't think we have a manpower shortage yet although no doubt soon given all the cities we've lost. When there are no manpower points in the pool, it will be time to start thinking about choking some units.

Mamluke -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/4/2018 1:38:30 PM)
we do have manpower shortages doctorking! for many turns now it seams, with all the loses. we will allways gain manpower per turn/ per week, manpower shortage is define by the manpower poll reaching zero during the logistics phase while still there is demand for men and equipment(which we also have a shortage of tanks BTW). the problem with that way of thinking is that you don't control the units that get such replacements. more often then not it will be the units that are sitting on the rail, while the good divisions on the front line might not get any at all. and as I demonstrated, we might not even get enough manpower to our reinforcements, meaning they don't start training and screw up the formation of Red army 2.0

Mamluke -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/5/2018 5:06:39 PM)
just check out the turn, DAMMIT. those deep penetrations are getting on my nerves. this one can be quite serious. A motorize division is in the middle.[:(] I didn't think he had the fuel to reach that far. I can reconnect but honestly I'm entirely reliant of his mobile units lacking fuel for next turn. once again I humbly ask to for as little wastage of rail capacity as possible, I will fully evac Ivanovo, Rebisk and Tambov, Central commander can abandon those places as necessary, won't evac Yarosslav, don't have the rail for it anyway. I would like to ask for an exception here. can I go 1st this time around? permission to spend some 30 or more AP if needed, I might still save most of that army, at least the good divisions. (marked red).

Darojax -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/5/2018 5:20:13 PM)
I would recommend South goes before Center so front line can be adjusted accordingly.

Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/5/2018 5:59:13 PM)
South can go first, yes. after Supcom and Air

Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/5/2018 6:01:25 PM)
As for the rail usage.... We need those reinforcement to get to their front ASAP. For this turn, I will permit minimum usage on Rail Capacity and Factory evac will be given top priority. But the next turn, Il have to ship the reinforcement. Reinforcement will keep walking for this turn.

Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/5/2018 6:25:52 PM)
-Some reinforcement arrived in Rostov. -Nothing arrived in Central. -Nothing in Northern. Hold on guys, I want to send reinforcement as quick as possible, just as much as you want to receive them. Central Front wont receive anymore reinforcement. Marshall Darojax can expect all Rifle Divisions and Cavalry division currently on the rear lines to be going to his front. All Tank brigade are going to be sent to the South. Marshall Doctorking can finally expect his long awaited reinforcement starting next turn. Over the course of a few weeks, 23 rifle division will start making their way to the Northern Front, along with some various other units ( including naval infantry ). Marshall Mamluke Save as much as you can from that hellish pocket situation. Escape from Voronezh, to Tamboy if need be, at least there is some friendly units there that will be able to help you out, and then you can make your way back to the South by way of Saratov, and defend along the river. TOP SECRET information will be given to you by PM regarding an offensive measure. Your reinforcement will arrive as planned ( around the 16th October ) Also, keep in mind that if you can liberate the rail, we could transport all your pocketed division out by rail as an extreme emergency measure. We really need those divisions to survive if we want to hold the South. Good Luck Generals. Supcom turn done.

Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/5/2018 6:31:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mamluke average rifle division: 70% ToE average rifle brigade: 70% ToE average Cavalry division: 80% ToE average tank Brigades: 70% ToE only the really good units can keep full ToE, the naval brigades for exe, can have 90% needless to say, I would like to apply this to the north as well of course on my own front. Still need the Supreme Commanders blessing of course. TOE will be executed in that manner. Seeing as how Mamluke seems to be the most experienced players. We will go with his wisdom on this. Dont fail us Marshall.

Mamluke -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/6/2018 12:02:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Neogodhobo -Some reinforcement arrived in Rostov. -Nothing arrived in Central. -Nothing in Northern. Hold on guys, I want to send reinforcement as quick as possible, just as much as you want to receive them. Central Front wont receive anymore reinforcement. Marshall Darojax can expect all Rifle Divisions and Cavalry division currently on the rear lines to be going to his front. All Tank brigade are going to be sent to the South. Marshall Doctorking can finally expect his long awaited reinforcement starting next turn. Over the course of a few weeks, 23 rifle division will start making their way to the Northern Front, along with some various other units ( including naval infantry ). Marshall Mamluke Save as much as you can from that hellish pocket situation. Escape from Voronezh, to Tamboy if need be, at least there is some friendly units there that will be able to help you out, and then you can make your way back to the South by way of Saratov, and defend along the river. TOP SECRET information will be given to you by PM regarding an offensive measure. Your reinforcement will arrive as planned ( around the 16th October ) Also, keep in mind that if you can liberate the rail, we could transport all your pocketed division out by rail as an extreme emergency measure. We really need those divisions to survive if we want to hold the South. Good Luck Generals. Supcom turn done. quote: ORIGINAL: Neogodhobo quote: ORIGINAL: Mamluke average rifle division: 70% ToE average rifle brigade: 70% ToE average Cavalry division: 80% ToE average tank Brigades: 70% ToE only the really good units can keep full ToE, the naval brigades for exe, can have 90% needless to say, I would like to apply this to the north as well of course on my own front. Still need the Supreme Commanders blessing of course. TOE will be executed in that manner. Seeing as how Mamluke seems to be the most experienced players. We will go with his wisdom on this. Dont fail us Marshall. thank you for the vote of confidence! and I bring good news already! remember when I said about needing the panzers to get low fuel? well, no fuel, no problem. [image]http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4664/40601921362_c2fdb9e705_b.jpg[/image] the Northern pincer is however more problematic, I can still get lucky, however, to have a chance at securing a safe corridor to the east. I request these 4 units from Central front. the cavalry division, and the 3 infantry brigades. [image]http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4785/39933872814_7bec694bac_b.jpg[/image] with the south pincer contained, I might have a shot at this! I will use those 4 units as speed bumps, hopefully, they shouldn't have much fuel left. would also like to mention, in order to secure our path of retreat, I attacked the cav division from inside the pocket. [image]http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4604/39933897594_7ac0d1e8a1_b.jpg[/image] and we might just get really lucky!! according to weather reports, next turn can be mud in central Soviet zone!, now it mostly benefits me, since the rest of the front line is in the Northern Soviet zone. however, ii can contain the southern pincer for good, dramatically reduce supply and buy Rostov one more turn of digging. I also position troops in a way to most inconvenience the Southern pincer. also, just to be clear, when the enemy converts an hex, it automatically damages the rail. and can't rail troops when in contact with the enemy either. regardless, I will do my best.

Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/6/2018 12:38:54 AM)
Very good work on the pockets, Im impressed !! And yes, borrow those divisions. Il allow it so you can finish your turn.

Mamluke -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/6/2018 2:19:45 AM)
turn is done, already did the air thing too, this is probably the last time I will need to air supply Moscow, Central commander can move the airbases as he wishes. also evacuated Ivanovo, Rebisk and Tambov, these areas can now be ignore by Central commander. protecting the Volga is important, I recommend you put at least 2 good division and 1 below average in Yaroslavl to protect it from direct assault. I much as I hate to admit, there is still some turns until mud and there is too many panzers at the area, the Outer Ring of Yaroslavl is no longer realistic, protecting the city is what counts. speaking of which, there can be mud in central Soviet zone! if it actually happens, I swear in the name of Lenin, I will read the Communist Manifesto!

Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/6/2018 2:33:15 AM)
Alright, so an all out retreat to the Volga is in order then ? Some troops directly in front, some troop directly behind ? Its up to you Central Commander how you want to plan this out, but do not lose the Volga River ! But use deep defense strategy.

Mamluke -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/6/2018 4:15:16 AM)
should have been more clear, if its possible to put some units in front of Yaroslavl and still have strength to prevent a crossing. then would be swell, but the supply situation for the Germans is not as bad as I thought... and of course one can not forget that 4th panzer group is out there. my initial plan just became more simpler, the red ring outside the city is the only objective that is worth pursuing and prevent the city from being taken either by encirclement or direct assault, defensive CV of 70 to 90 should be the minimum, the more the merrier.

Darojax -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/6/2018 12:04:38 PM)
Center done. Not enough capacity for a worth-while defensive ring around Yaroslavl, although the city is still defended (CV 60). Also not enough capacity for any kind of depth defense in regards to the Volga line (except West of Gorky). Supreme Commander, despite your orders of the new defensive line, with the collapse of the Southern Front I regret to inform that Tambov is undefendable, and the southern Volga front is looking very vulnerable. Most likely will have to adjust the defensive line (red line on image). Should we continue defending Rostov (and Voroshilovgrad)? Those troops wont last on their own and perhaps it would be better to have them move East and North at best speed to extend the southern Volga front. There is still time if we want to do this. If we wait they could become cut off entirely. I would suggest diverting most northern reinforcements to the south instead where the situation is highly critical. The North Front can fall back considerably without losing more than just ground, no critical cities there that we need defending at the moment. There is also alot of forest and heavy forest excellent for defense. o7 Sir. [image]https://i.imgur.com/d16sOH1.png[/image]

Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/6/2018 1:56:58 PM)
"Also not enough capacity for any kind of depth defense in regards to the Volga line" Now the turn is done, Il go back a save and show you what I meant by deep defense. [img]https://i.imgur.com/f5jkrXm.png[/img] And so as a whole, it would look something like this : [img]https://i.imgur.com/VfFsT4I.png[/img]

Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/6/2018 1:57:29 PM)
Im afraid your defensive line is too weak and the Germans are just going to smash trough.

Darojax -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (3/6/2018 2:02:19 PM)
Sir, I hate to argue, but a depth defense such as that is not going to last a turn. Our units per individual basis are quite weak and the defensive CV of the units being spread out in that manner means the fascist panzer corps will be able to smash through them all in one turn alone, with little effort. For example in the north part of Center Front alone there are 5 panzer divisions in close proximity ready to strike. At least like this we are giving our men one more week to build fortifications, while also allowing them to build strength. Perhaps next week there will be enough CV to make a 2nd defensive line behind the Volga.

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