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Filitch -> RE: We need full real DB editor! Now! (12/3/2017 11:51:21 AM)

LOL. This is military porn: http://www.airforcesmonthly.com/2017/12/01/kadena-f-35a-loses-panel-in-flight/ but not thewood1's utter rubbish about Russian or Chinese news.



User2 -> RE: We need full real DB editor! Now! (12/3/2017 12:51:19 PM)

This thread is a litmus test of the cmano community.
Shows great the toxicity level of the local audience.

The funniest thing is: those toxic people are literally Hermans with the only difference that real Herman fanatically attacks those who finds something positive about the game, while locally grown Hermans fanatically attack people who finds something negative or asks inappropriate questions.



thewood1 -> RE: We need full real DB editor! Now! (12/3/2017 3:12:45 PM)

I would be very careful with comments like "toxicity". Do you really want to be associated with the OP. Let's not forget his toxicity with a thread title, his first few posts, his threat of violence, etc. Is that the guy you want carrying your banner for getting the devs to do something they have said from the get-go they wouldn't do?

Are the open-db guys really that immature that they think this guy and this thread will be the launching point for some sea-change in the devs product startegy? By associating and defending the OP, you are making it REALLY hard for anyone to jump on your bandwagon.



thewood1 -> RE: We need full real DB editor! Now! (12/3/2017 3:41:59 PM)

Thanks to Somi83 in this thread:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4392272

I was in the process of putting all of this together so anyone really desperate to change a unit. Here is a PDF that will show how you build almost any ship you can think of. Combined with the manual, its not too difficult to figure out. In fact, having used the Harpoon db editor a lot, this is no harder than getting that monster to work.



mikmykWS -> RE: We need full real DB editor! Now! (12/3/2017 3:47:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thewood1

Thanks to Somi83 in this thread:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4392272

I was in the process of putting all of this together so anyone really desperate to change a unit. Here is a PDF that will show how you build almost any ship you can think of. Combined with the manual, its not too difficult to figure out. In fact, having used the Harpoon db editor a lot, this is no harder than getting that monster to work.



Thanks guys for pushing this in a better direction.

Mike



spec111 -> RE: We need full real DB editor! Now! (12/6/2017 12:16:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: emsoy

Okay good. Lets see if I got this straight:

What would help you is this:
* Ability to add new units
* Ability to update (visible) stats on existing units
* Transfer changes between scenarios
* Make changes centrally
* Change and make new loadouts

Then you would:
* Write and maintain documentation for minimum 10 years
* Handle user support
* Maintain 3rd party contributions
* Update 3rd party datasets as database updates (i.e. changes made in DB makes 3rd party contribution unnecessary, etc)


Hello, Ragnar!

Do not complicate everything. I, like many experienced players, do not need any support or documentation. We'll figure it out for ourselves. And we do not need centralization.

Just give us the editor and leave it without support. As it is done in all simulators and strategies.

The editor and the databases will perfectly evolve without support. Stop trying to control everything. This is not DB2000, but an independent game. And most of the players will cope without you. And many experienced players dont want to participate in the development of DB3000, and do not want to depend on you, but want to live on their own.

We dont need version compatibility. We dont need help. We dont need support. We dont need anything.

quote:

As for my English skills... Tone etc is very difficult to get right and usually takes years of practice. I'm still learning and screw up on a regular basis. Translating directly makes makes it sound staccato and downright Nazi. The fact that I got an 'engineer' rather than 'language' brain doesn't help hehe.

From where I stand you sound really angry and upset, ready to shoot the place up. But is that really the case?

Huh... This is a huge disappointment! You created a serious wargame and simulator, but you forgot about the main feature of these games - the editor of units and databases.

There is an editor in TOAW, there is an editor in Harpoon, there is an editor in DCS, there is an editor in FSX. This is the industry standard. But you forgot about it. [:-]

And the whole projects of centralized database editing always ends very badly - they are slow, low-quality, they have errors and so on. And most importantly, they do not have customization and individualization!

Again. You just do not understand serious part of your experienced customers. We dont need centralized databases and we will not take part in these projects. Centralized bases are secondary. Customization is primary. [;)]



Kushan04 -> RE: We need full real DB editor! Now! (12/6/2017 12:26:24 PM)

Can this guy just get banned now? at this point hes not contributing anything and just repeating how clueless he thinks the devs are.



spec111 -> RE: We need full real DB editor! Now! (12/6/2017 12:39:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thewood1

I would be very careful with comments like "toxicity". Do you really want to be associated with the OP. Let's not forget his toxicity with a thread title, his first few posts, his threat of violence, etc. Is that the guy you want carrying your banner for getting the devs to do something they have said from the get-go they wouldn't do?

Are the open-db guys really that immature that they think this guy and this thread will be the launching point for some sea-change in the devs product startegy? By associating and defending the OP, you are making it REALLY hard for anyone to jump on your bandwagon.


Just be quiet. This your post consists only of ad hominems. Whole. Every phrase.

You dont discuss my position and my arguments. You dont give your counter-arguments. You just discuss me, or rather you try to insult me, hiding behind the Internet.

I created this topic, gave facts, stated my position and arguments. But you decided to use ad hominems and you tried to insult me ​​(not forgetting to remove some of your insults after that). I told you that I will not buy this virtual crap neither online or offline. But you again began to use ad hominems, try to insult me and discuss me, i.e imaginary image of me, instead of my position with its arguments and facts. Ok, but there will not be a third time...

Now there are other people who started to express some position that you dont like, and against which you dont have counter-arguments, but now you began to insult them and discuss them instead of their position.

So what did you say about toxicity? [:-]

p.s.

This is your pattern of communication with people. But I'm not going to buy it. And I dont need it in my topic. So go be virtually aggressive somewhere else and try to create your own topic. [:D]



spec111 -> RE: We need full real DB editor! Now! (12/6/2017 12:41:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kushan04

Can this guy just get banned now? at this point hes not contributing anything and just repeating how clueless he thinks the devs are.


Counter-arguments, please? Arguments, not ad hominems. [;)]



.Sirius -> RE: We need full real DB editor! Now! (12/6/2017 1:15:49 PM)

You have had the reasons why on multiple occasions , and no you are not having a DB Editor, so dont resort to bully tactics to get one it doesnt work !



Excroat3 -> RE: We need full real DB editor! Now! (12/6/2017 1:34:25 PM)

Why does OP keep saying we? Who is in support of him again? Is it the majority of players? If not, then there is no reason for the devs to do anything, even if they wanted to in the first place.



mikmykWS -> RE: We need full real DB editor! Now! (12/6/2017 2:02:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Excroat3

Why does OP keep saying we? Who is in support of him again? Is it the majority of players? If not, then there is no reason for the devs to do anything, even if they wanted to in the first place.


He's likely channeling the other cowards putting him up to it.

Mike



mikmykWS -> RE: We need full real DB editor! Now! (12/6/2017 2:05:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kushan04

Can this guy just get banned now? at this point hes not contributing anything and just repeating how clueless he thinks the devs are.


Yeah he's just using the devs as punching bags at this point. Time to move on.


Mike



.Sirius -> RE: We need full real DB editor! Now! (12/6/2017 2:49:09 PM)

Ok guys this thread is locked



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