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Jukipo -> RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) (3/18/2018 7:46:29 PM)

Troops of 19th Panzer Division on the streets of Saratov.

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Jukipo -> RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) (3/18/2018 7:48:12 PM)

Turn 127, 9/6/42 AGA

The supply situation has improved at Caucasus. Our troops are advancing again. Panzer divisions breakthrough near Georgiyevsk. 11th Panzer Division captured Mozdok. SS Totenkopf division is securing Caucasus Mountain passes. Beslan and Alagir were captured. Only 80 km to the oil fields at Grozny.


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Jukipo -> RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) (3/18/2018 8:03:58 PM)

Turn 128, 9/9/42 AGN

Torzhok was captured.


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Jukipo -> RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) (3/18/2018 8:04:51 PM)

Turn 128, 9/9/42 AGB

The last remaining enemy units west of Volga are soon destroyed.

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Jukipo -> RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) (3/18/2018 8:05:47 PM)

Turn 128, 9/9/42 AGA

The enemy made some heavy counter attacks near Mozdok. We have cleared the road near Georgiyevsk. Totenkopf is advancing at the base of Caucasus Mountains.


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Jukipo -> RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) (3/18/2018 8:22:24 PM)

Turn 128, 9/9/42 AGA

Here is the situation at the coast of Black Sea. We are advancing towards Sochi. Supply situation is difficult as the railhead is far away. We have shipped some units to Kerch to resupply.


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Jukipo -> RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) (3/19/2018 7:57:49 PM)

Turn 129, 9/13/42 AGA

Sochi was captured. Several enemy units are surrounded near Sochi. We are advancing slowly near Mozdok. There is not enough supply.


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Jukipo -> RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) (3/19/2018 7:58:29 PM)

Turn 130, 9/16/42 AGN

Frontline is stabilizing near Torzhok.


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Jukipo -> RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) (3/19/2018 7:59:22 PM)

Turn 130, 9/16/42 AGB

Let’s have a look about the situation near Saratov and Stalingrad. All enemy troops are destroyed this side of Volga. Fall rasputitza is going to begin in 2-3 weeks. We are not planning any major offensives this fall. Troops are digging in.


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Jukipo -> RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) (3/19/2018 8:00:22 PM)

Turn 130, 9/16/42 AGA

8th Pz Division and Totenkopf are advancing towards Grozny. We’ll have to hurry, time is running out. There is over 150 km to the Caspian Sea.


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Jukipo -> RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) (3/19/2018 8:23:15 PM)

Situation on 9/16/42 after 130 turns.

AGN: Situation remains stable

AGC: Saratov was captured. All units are defensive.

AGB: We are digging in along Volga River.

AGA: We are at the gates of Grozny. Only a little more and we’ll reach Caspian Sea and cut Baku-Astrakhan railroad.

Air war: We don’t have air superiority any more. Both sides are equally strong. The enemy is losing about five time as much planes as we do. They must be producing a lot of planes every month.

Losses in the first 130 turns: (last 5 turns in parenthesis) [replacements in 5 turns]

69385 (+1667) Heavy Rifle Squads [repl 2155]
7589 (+302) Rifle Squad – Rum [repl 280]
2949 (+28) Rifle Squad – Hun [repl 155]
5134 (+10) Rifle Squad – Fin [repl 125]
986 (+23) Rifle Squad – Ita [repl 90]
9517 (+186) Engineer Squads [repl 225]
2385 (+100) Panzers (all types) [repl 425]
3297 (+120) Fighters (all types) [repl 205]
683 (+35) Stukas & Hs-129 [repl 75]
3273 (+101) Bombers (all types) [repl 105]


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John B. -> RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) (3/20/2018 12:53:18 AM)

This is a very good AAR! [&o] It seems odd that the soviets would be so ineffective in the winter offensive (taking nothing at all away from Jukipo). The Germans did not necessarily suffer higher losses than they did in the Summer of 1941 but they did get pushed back quite a bit and their supply situation was such that counter attacks were pretty much out of the question.



John B. -> RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) (3/20/2018 12:54:53 AM)

Sorry, that should have gone in a long time ago. Never mind. :)



Jukipo -> RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) (3/20/2018 11:49:00 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: John B.

This is a very good AAR! [&o] It seems odd that the soviets would be so ineffective in the winter offensive (taking nothing at all away from Jukipo). The Germans did not necessarily suffer higher losses than they did in the Summer of 1941 but they did get pushed back quite a bit and their supply situation was such that counter attacks were pretty much out of the question.


Thanks! Soviet winter offensive was ineffective because I was prepared. My troop were waiting in fortified positions with full supply. Historically German units were worn out. Soviet offensive was a surprise for Wehrmacht.
Now I feel a little sorry, I didn’t continue my advance in November 1941. It would have led to more interesting game in 1942.



Jukipo -> RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) (3/20/2018 12:51:05 PM)

Turn 131, 9/20/42 AGA

The enemy counteattacked near Grozny. Totenkopf Division was beaten badly. We had to withdraw 30 km.


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Jukipo -> RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) (3/20/2018 12:51:59 PM)

Turn 132, 9/23/42 AGN

We have captured Valday. Now it’s time to dig in and wait for rasputitza.


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Jukipo -> RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) (3/20/2018 12:53:19 PM)

Turn 132, 9/23/42 AGB

We are going to make two limited offensives before rasputitza.

29th and 55th Infantry Korps are going to cross Volga near Stalingrad. Our objective is to form a solid bridgehead and destroy enemy forces in the area.

17th and 52nd Infantry Korps are going to capture Staritsa. We would like to cut the railroad leading to Astrakhan.


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Jukipo -> RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) (3/20/2018 12:54:14 PM)

Turn 132, 9/23/42 AGA

We have managed to cut Astrachan – Baku railroad near Gudermes. Our troops are moving East on the north bank of Terek River.


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Jukipo -> RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) (3/20/2018 12:57:20 PM)

Turn 133, 9/27/42 AGB

We have crossed Volga near Stalingrad. Staritsa was captured.


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Jukipo -> RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) (3/20/2018 1:05:01 PM)

Turn 133, 9/27/42 AGA

9th Panzer Division crossed Terek River and captured Gudermes. We have now isolated enemy units in Chechnya. Lack of supply is limiting our advance.


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Jukipo -> RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) (3/20/2018 1:06:19 PM)

Turn 133, 9/27/42 AGA

We have pushed several enemy units to the mountains. Railhead is moving slowly forward.


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Jukipo -> RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) (3/20/2018 1:12:27 PM)

Turn 134, 9/30/42 AGB

Only one enemy unit remains in the swamp area South of Stalingrad. We can’t move much further towards Astrakhan, our supply lines would become too long.


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Jukipo -> RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) (3/20/2018 1:17:25 PM)

Turn 134, 9/30/42 AGA

Only 100 km to the coast of Caspian Sea. Unfortunately, railhead is 230 km behind the frontline. We are receiving a very little supply.


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Jukipo -> RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) (3/20/2018 1:23:14 PM)

Turn 135, 10/4/42 AGB

We have captured entrenched positions on the East bank of Volga. We have now contact to Stalingrad ferry area. We are receiving more supplies to the bridgehead.


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Jukipo -> RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) (3/20/2018 1:29:58 PM)

Turn 135, 10/4/42 AGA

October, time is running out. We have captured Kizlyar. Road connection between Caucasus and rest of Russia is broken. Grossdeutschland moved to the mountains South of Gudermes, cutting enemy supply lines to Grozny area.


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Jukipo -> RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) (3/20/2018 1:32:08 PM)

Turn 135, 10/4/42 AGA

We are moving towards Gagra.


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DanNeely -> RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) (3/20/2018 3:41:41 PM)

FYI on one of Larry's AARs and then in the docs for the latest scenario release. TPOO clarified that the no stacking rule for minors land units is that they're not allowed to stack at all, even with a second unit from their own country.

Edit: Not intended as a criticism, no one else on the thread read the old wording correctly either.



Jukipo -> RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) (3/21/2018 10:31:28 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DanNeely

FYI on one of Larry's AARs and then in the docs for the latest scenario release. TPOO clarified that the no stacking rule for minors land units is that they're not allowed to stack at all, even with a second unit from their own country.

Edit: Not intended as a criticism, no one else on the thread read the old wording correctly either.


I don't like the new rule interpretation. It leads to difficult situations.

- Can you stack two divided regiments from the same division? If yes, then what about one divided regiment and one separate regiment? Why not?

- Can you stack a Finnish HQ with divisional infantry? Why not?

- Can you use engineers to cross major rivers? Crossing unit is stacked with engineer regiment.

- Can you stack Finnish Assault Gun Bn with infantry division? If not, then Assault Gun Bn is totally worthless unit.

I would not like to spend my time thinking that kind of questions. It's making game play more tiresome. If axis allies are too strong, make them weaker. Or make a house rule certain Rumanian units are not allowed to move past Odessa until 1942.



700851McCall -> RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) (3/21/2018 6:39:17 PM)

I was thinking that reducing the effectiveness rating of the Rumanians would accomplish the same design goal, but there is probably something I am missing.

I assumed the rule does not apply to the Finns. They were not technically an Axis minor ally and in any case their divisional HQs only have 1 hex range so it makes no sense.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) (3/21/2018 7:15:41 PM)

I have no idea what the background is for the decision to not allow stacking
for the Axis minor allies but it seems kind of severe for the function it's
performing. I've never heard of units that can't stack with their own nation.
That's strange, and yes, those weapons that have a range of one....let's
stack those bad boys, or yes they are worthless.



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