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Lowpe -> RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) (4/10/2018 3:33:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Miller quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs From where do you think he brought in the supply to Luzon? Probably from Balikpapan. He has around 40 AKL to play with in that area at the start of the game so despite the fact my subs and a/c have sunk maybe a dozen he has plenty left. It's very hard to intercept them with DDs as they always seem to manage to avoid contact, and trying to do so near Clark can be nasty if they react into Bataans minefield and CD guns.. Is he running them in single ship task forces?

Miller -> RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) (4/10/2018 3:58:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe quote: ORIGINAL: Miller quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs From where do you think he brought in the supply to Luzon? Probably from Balikpapan. He has around 40 AKL to play with in that area at the start of the game so despite the fact my subs and a/c have sunk maybe a dozen he has plenty left. It's very hard to intercept them with DDs as they always seem to manage to avoid contact, and trying to do so near Clark can be nasty if they react into Bataans minefield and CD guns.. Is he running them in single ship task forces? In TFs

Mike McCreery -> RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) (4/10/2018 4:06:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Miller 28th Jan 42 Batavia auto switches sides in the night and the div lands there without any trouble. KB a/c pound Bandoeng airfield again which is showing at 80% damage, I will keep this up with several Lilly units diverted from Malaya. Meanwhile over in the PI I lay a little cap trap for his low flying fighter bombers on naval attack but net a much more worthwhile target: Afternoon Air attack on TF, near San Fernando at 80,74 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 11 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-27b Nate x 49 Allied aircraft SBD-3 Dauntless x 16 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses SBD-3 Dauntless: 8 destroyed, 1 damaged Japanese Ships SC Ch 9 So my crappy Nates manage to shoot down almost a whole sqd of SBDs, nice. It also confirms he will probably have more based elsewhere on land ready to pounce on anything I leave undefended. Going off the number of AKL sightings around Clark he probably has enough supply there already to last till doomsday, which is worrying because this attack came from there: Night Air attack on Taihoku , at 87,63 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 8 minutes Allied aircraft B-17D Fortress x 8 No Allied losses Manpower hits 6 Fires 3000 Aircraft Attacking: 8 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 10000 feet City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb A very worrying development as I have almost no defence against this at night. There are no HR preventing ANY strat bombing on the map, but I've asked him just to clarify this 100% before I retaliate.... He will use anything he can against you. You need to get any airfields in range taken or shut down ASAP. FYI, he purposely left certain bases allied in our game so he got Kamikaze's on the first day possible. Think of your most vulnerable point because he is massing ships for an amphibious assault ;]

Miller -> RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) (4/10/2018 5:03:00 PM)
Yes he certainly does not seem to miss any little opening so far. We have agreed to unlimited strat bombing but 4E must be at least 10k ft and 2E 5k ft. Not great but I can live with it. May come in useful in China....

obvert -> RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) (4/10/2018 7:42:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Miller Yes he certainly does not seem to miss any little opening so far. We have agreed to unlimited strat bombing but 4E must be at least 10k ft and 2E 5k ft. Not great but I can live with it. May come in useful in China.... I'd never agree to that as Allies. Why do you want that HR? It was entirely possible for the Allies to bomb Japanese industry at any altitude during the war, and most later bombing of Japan was much lower than 10k. Strat bombing is not overpowered. Airfield and Port night bombing are definitely too strong, but strat bombing should be left alone. It makes the game much more fun, for both sides, to allow the Allies something they can actually fight for in the early stages of the war.

witpqs -> RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) (4/10/2018 9:01:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert quote: ORIGINAL: Miller Yes he certainly does not seem to miss any little opening so far. We have agreed to unlimited strat bombing but 4E must be at least 10k ft and 2E 5k ft. Not great but I can live with it. May come in useful in China.... I'd never agree to that as Allies. Why do you want that HR? It was entirely possible for the Allies to bomb Japanese industry at any altitude during the war, and most later bombing of Japan was much lower than 10k. Strat bombing is not overpowered. Airfield and Port night bombing are definitely too strong, but strat bombing should be left alone. It makes the game much more fun, for both sides, to allow the Allies something they can actually fight for in the early stages of the war. Port and airbase facilities repairs are overpowered too. Runway repairs probably not. Been thinking about that randomly here and there. Mentioning it because obviously it goes hand in glove with the issue of bombing effectiveness.

Miller -> RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) (4/11/2018 8:16:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert quote: ORIGINAL: Miller Yes he certainly does not seem to miss any little opening so far. We have agreed to unlimited strat bombing but 4E must be at least 10k ft and 2E 5k ft. Not great but I can live with it. May come in useful in China.... I'd never agree to that as Allies. Why do you want that HR? It was entirely possible for the Allies to bomb Japanese industry at any altitude during the war, and most later bombing of Japan was much lower than 10k. Strat bombing is not overpowered. Airfield and Port night bombing are definitely too strong, but strat bombing should be left alone. It makes the game much more fun, for both sides, to allow the Allies something they can actually fight for in the early stages of the war. I am happy with unlimited strat bombing, however I suggested a min alt just to stop things getting silly as 4E can cause havoc at 1k ft. He is the one who came up with the 10k figure. In the long run it makes no difference and I am going to lose anyway.

Miller -> RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) (4/11/2018 8:34:28 PM)
29th Jan-5th Feb 42 The turns have been coming so thick and fast I barely have time to write about them. I think we have done about a months worth of turns in the last 4 or 5 days! A quick round up: Burma: I take Rangoon without any resistance, he is fleeing north. I have another div inbound from Singers which should arrive next trun, then I will start the push north. Malaya: I finally kill off a couple of trapped Indian Brigades at Temuloh. Almost 100% of my CVs and surface fleet which are fully rested and repaired are based at Singers but I am going to move a fair percentage to CLASSIFIED. China: Looks like the two main areas of focus now are Sian in the north and Changsha in the south. A deliberate attack at the latter knocks the forts down to 2. He obviously doesn't want to lose it as he is putting up the AVG and a P40 sqd from the PI on CAP over it, so far my Oscars are trading 1:1 with them but keeping my bombers safe as they concentrate on bombing the airfield to prevent fort rebuilding. Elsewhere I finally kick him out of Kukong but to the north west of there at Kweilin it is a stalemate. PI: I'm getting rather worried here now as it looks like he has shipped in another Philippine div from one of the islands to the south. With 2200AV behind 4 forts sitting under 130 P40s it's going to be a very tough nut to crack.... Java: Making good progress here. About to totally isolate Bandoeng in a few turns then I will start my ground assault with 4 Divs. In the south I am about to take Surabaya which is almost empty. Once Bandoeng falls I will send 2 divs to Clark and use one of the others plus a few bits and pieces for Borneo and the Celebes. Elsewhere: My recon from the Marshall Is has picked up numerous ships on and off for the past week west of Johnston Is. I don't know if this is just a diversion or not but they got a lot closer the last few turns. I like an early invasion of the Marshalls when playing as the Allies so perhaps this is his intention. I only really have subs and one Netty sqd in the area to oppose him.

obvert -> RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) (4/11/2018 9:40:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Miller quote: ORIGINAL: obvert quote: ORIGINAL: Miller Yes he certainly does not seem to miss any little opening so far. We have agreed to unlimited strat bombing but 4E must be at least 10k ft and 2E 5k ft. Not great but I can live with it. May come in useful in China.... I'd never agree to that as Allies. Why do you want that HR? It was entirely possible for the Allies to bomb Japanese industry at any altitude during the war, and most later bombing of Japan was much lower than 10k. Strat bombing is not overpowered. Airfield and Port night bombing are definitely too strong, but strat bombing should be left alone. It makes the game much more fun, for both sides, to allow the Allies something they can actually fight for in the early stages of the war. I am happy with unlimited strat bombing, however I suggested a min alt just to stop things getting silly as 4E can cause havoc at 1k ft. He is the one who came up with the 10k figure. In the long run it makes no difference and I am going to lose anyway. Obviously up to you. I just didn't really get the request, since flying 4Es low has some clear drawbacks as well. With your progress it would be a moot point in a few weeks anyway! [:)]

adarbrauner -> RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) (4/12/2018 11:48:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Miller 29th Jan-5th Feb 42 PI: I'm getting rather worried here now as it looks like he has shipped in another Philippine div from one of the islands to the south. With 2200AV behind 4 forts sitting under 130 P40s.... I'd say, THANK YOU (Mr Kane), keep them there for as long as you please.... quote: ORIGINAL: Miller Elsewhere: My recon from the Marshall Is has picked up numerous ships on and off for the past week west of Johnston Is. I don't know if this is just a diversion or not but they got a lot closer the last few turns. I like an early invasion of the Marshalls when playing as the Allies so perhaps this is his intention. I only really have subs and one Netty sqd in the area to oppose him. Have you read the recent AAR Aurorus (JPN) against Apbarog, and his preparations against invasion of the Marshalls (I don't say you have to/can deploy that many assets..)?

Miller -> RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) (4/13/2018 9:45:55 AM)
6th-15th Feb 42 Most of the action is in China over this period. Another deliberate attack at Changsha knocks his forts down to one and he is obviously worried its going to fall as he sending troops down from Changteh to reinforce it. However a few turns later I try an ill advised shock attack to take it before they get there that fails to knock down the fort and trashes a couple of my divisions, I think I have blown my chance here. In the north at Sian recon shows 20 units there. I have a stack with 2000AV sitting a couple of hexes to the north east ready to move in am still undecided. He has managed to cut off a division which I had sent in a rush up to Ankang from Nanyang and it looks like my rescue attempt will fail to break through, man he's good.... Elsewhere a second division lands at Rangoon along with the 16th army HQ. Prome falls as it is empty and I imagine the rest of Burma soon will be as well. A deliberate attack at Bandoeng on Java knocks the fort down to one but I will need to rest 4 or 5 days before the next attack, so hopefully it will fall in about 10 days time. Rather than have it lying idle I employ the KB to the west of the PI and a couple of 100+ Zero sweeps of Clark knock down about 50 P40s at a cost of 10 Zeros and he withdraws his fighters from the area. I land another div there to march to Clark and will then try my first land attack, which I predict will be very ugly for me but as long as it reduces the forts.... Oh and finally the sightings of the ships possibly approaching the Marshall Is have vanished, may have just been a diversion.

obvert -> RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) (4/13/2018 10:51:39 AM)
He might be good, but the more the Chinese fight, the worse off they are in the end. If you carefully move and don't make attacks in x3 terrain without a 3:1 AV advantage, you should be able to grind it out. For Sian you might need to take those cross river hexes above the city and just move North, if that is still possible. (screenshots would help). Those trashed divisions will look good on Saipan and Guam in a few years on the cheap! [;)]

PaxMondo -> RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) (4/13/2018 3:03:38 PM)
Erik, not sure I agree with your assessment. Not disagreeing either, but I don't think it is quite so cut and dry. China is about supply balance; fighting burns supply but also burns up troops which reduces supply needs for the allies. On the IJ side, units trashed is great for PP expenditures, but it eats up a lot of supply rebuilding them. Combat also eats up a lot of supply. Whether the allies can keep Chungking or not isn't really the goal, its more about burning as much IJ supply as they can. How well china can accomplish that is about how well they can manage their supply. So, two overarching strategies for the allies in china: get into x3 terrain and wait for the stack to come OR try to force combat before the allies are really ready. We've seen the outcome of the first strategy fairly repeatedly now in a dozen or so AAR's: Chungking falls before Jan43 depending upon the relative focus and strengths of the two players. Inevitable is a proximate description. What we see now is the allies attempting the 2nd strategy, one not taken as often in the recent past by a player with some skill. How well will this work? Unknown at this point, but so far he has been successful as it is an unanticipated strategy. Miller is also a player with some skill and will now adapt. Final outcome? Well, if the allies are able to hold Chungking into mid '43, that will have proven to me that it is a far better strategy. Why? Every month that goes by with the IJ fully committed (in terms of units, operational tempo => meaning supply usage) is a win for the allies. IJ wants china out of the war for sure, no doubt. But it works best when the price (in terms of supply) is lower. All obvious observations, just restated so that we all keep our focus... Just my thoughts.

Lowpe -> RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) (4/13/2018 3:27:02 PM)
Mr. Kane is capable of building quite the supply air bridge to China...in another game he was dumping over 2000 supply a day into China. If possible some Long range recon of the Indian bases might be called for although I am not sure what you can really do with that information at this point. Against a skilled Allied opponent, that understands and has played Japan, Scenario 1 is extremely difficult. Be careful with your fast pace....it probably gives an advantage to Mr. Kane at present.

witpqs -> RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) (4/13/2018 3:58:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Mr. Kane is capable of building quite the supply air bridge to China...in another game he was dumping over 2000 supply a day into China. If possible some Long range recon of the Indian bases might be called for although I am not sure what you can really do with that information at this point. Against a skilled Allied opponent, that understands and has played Japan, Scenario 1 is extremely difficult. Be careful with your fast pace....it probably gives an advantage to Mr. Kane at present. I never put a figure on it, but yes you can move a bunch of supply into China. It is probably not enough to prevent Chungking plain from falling, other things being equal, but it certainly can sustain a significant force in the mountain redoubt adjacent Burma. That in turn ties up additional Imperial troops. The only ways to stop that are 1) capture the mountain redoubt or 2) capture the Indian airfields in range. The mass of transports is not available at campaign start, so undermining the mountain redoubt early is one approach. The other approach, capturing the Indian airfields, is certainly something Japan players do from time to time but does it fit with your strategy?

Lowpe -> RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) (4/13/2018 4:13:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs I never put a figure on it, but yes you can move a bunch of supply into China. It is probably not enough to prevent Chungking plain from falling, other things being equal, but it certainly can sustain a significant force in the mountain redoubt adjacent Burma. That in turn ties up additional Imperial troops. The only ways to stop that are 1) capture the mountain redoubt or 2) capture the Indian airfields in range. The mass of transports is not available at campaign start, so undermining the mountain redoubt early is one approach. The other approach, capturing the Indian airfields, is certainly something Japan players do from time to time but does it fit with your strategy? Well, this is scenario 1 stock, with pdu off...which makes for a very tough game. I don't think Symon's air mod is in effect either... I think in these circumstances China can be saved. My guess is British AA and other units on the march into China.

witpqs -> RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) (4/13/2018 5:18:23 PM)
I think the air updates were ported to stock scenarios. PDU off should make it harder for Japan. It also makes it harder for the Allies but the net effect in any given area and era I don't know.

Lowpe -> RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) (4/13/2018 6:38:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs I think the air updates were ported to stock scenarios. PDU off should make it harder for Japan. It also makes it harder for the Allies but the net effect in any given area and era I don't know. So few people play a scenario 1 game, let alone stock with no stacking limits, it is easy to forgot how tough Japan has it. Miller was shocked to see how pitiful his starting air force was for example. I think his air production is now at 120 Zeroes and 150 Oscars, and I bet he will wish he had more, and gone after the Tojo IIa aggressively. Japan has done well, getting Singers quickly, but I bet you China will survive because of the game settings and scenario.

obvert -> RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) (4/13/2018 6:50:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PaxMondo Erik, not sure I agree with your assessment. Not disagreeing either, but I don't think it is quite so cut and dry. China is about supply balance; fighting burns supply but also burns up troops which reduces supply needs for the allies. On the IJ side, units trashed is great for PP expenditures, but it eats up a lot of supply rebuilding them. Combat also eats up a lot of supply. Whether the allies can keep Chungking or not isn't really the goal, its more about burning as much IJ supply as they can. How well china can accomplish that is about how well they can manage their supply. So, two overarching strategies for the allies in china: get into x3 terrain and wait for the stack to come OR try to force combat before the allies are really ready. We've seen the outcome of the first strategy fairly repeatedly now in a dozen or so AAR's: Chungking falls before Jan43 depending upon the relative focus and strengths of the two players. Inevitable is a proximate description. What we see now is the allies attempting the 2nd strategy, one not taken as often in the recent past by a player with some skill. How well will this work? Unknown at this point, but so far he has been successful as it is an unanticipated strategy. Miller is also a player with some skill and will now adapt. Final outcome? Well, if the allies are able to hold Chungking into mid '43, that will have proven to me that it is a far better strategy. Why? Every month that goes by with the IJ fully committed (in terms of units, operational tempo => meaning supply usage) is a win for the allies. IJ wants china out of the war for sure, no doubt. But it works best when the price (in terms of supply) is lower. All obvious observations, just restated so that we all keep our focus... Just my thoughts. The Chinese cannot attack. Period. Any advanced Japanese player will let them come, watch them stall, go around them, and eventually encircle. What I am saying is that battling the Chinese often on good terms will always result in the Chinese suffering due to lack of supply. I would never attack Changsha. I'd lock down a massive Chinese army there by threatening it, then go around to the other bases in the clear to the South, bomb the crap out of them and take them, threatening to encircle. China is about movement, and if movement is not restricted yet, then always go around the Chinese. Ankang is too far, as Miller found out, and shouldn't be attempted without controlling the LOC completely. Now, after this has all happened, I'm still on the bright side of the assessment. Use the successes against him. Make him think he can fight. Let him move forward even. A moving Chinese army is vulnerable. Get them dug into the hills and it's going to be a long campaign.

obvert -> RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) (4/13/2018 6:54:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs I think the air updates were ported to stock scenarios. PDU off should make it harder for Japan. It also makes it harder for the Allies but the net effect in any given area and era I don't know. So few people play a scenario 1 game, let alone stock with no stacking limits, it is easy to forgot how tough Japan has it. Miller was shocked to see how pitiful his starting air force was for example. I think his air production is now at 120 Zeroes and 150 Oscars, and I bet he will wish he had more, and gone after the Tojo IIa aggressively. Japan has done well, getting Singers quickly, but I bet you China will survive because of the game settings and scenario. If he capitalises on the early Singers capture to take something else, or bring that army post DEI into China, then China will not survive. Against Jocke I moved most of the free divisions up from Nanning toward the central plains while the bulk of the Chinese were stacked to the NE. The backdoor is open in China, it just depends on how much he wants to use there.

adarbrauner -> RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) (4/14/2018 6:13:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs I never put a figure on it, but yes you can move a bunch of supply into China. It is probably not enough to prevent Chungking plain from falling, other things being equal, but it certainly can sustain a significant force in the mountain redoubt adjacent Burma. That in turn ties up additional Imperial troops. The only ways to stop that are 1) capture the mountain redoubt or 2) capture the Indian airfields in range. The mass of transports is not available at campaign start, so undermining the mountain redoubt early is one approach. The other approach, capturing the Indian airfields, is certainly something Japan players do from time to time but does it fit with your strategy? How can you possibly resupply China, at the beginning of the game/war, with the pitiful number of transport planes available to the allies at that time??[&:]

BillBrown -> RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) (4/14/2018 7:45:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: adarbrauner quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs I never put a figure on it, but yes you can move a bunch of supply into China. It is probably not enough to prevent Chungking plain from falling, other things being equal, but it certainly can sustain a significant force in the mountain redoubt adjacent Burma. That in turn ties up additional Imperial troops. The only ways to stop that are 1) capture the mountain redoubt or 2) capture the Indian airfields in range. The mass of transports is not available at campaign start, so undermining the mountain redoubt early is one approach. The other approach, capturing the Indian airfields, is certainly something Japan players do from time to time but does it fit with your strategy? How can you possibly resupply China, at the beginning of the game/war, with the pitiful number of transport planes available to the allies at that time??[&:] Bombers can fly supply also.

witpqs -> RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) (4/14/2018 7:46:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: adarbrauner quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs I never put a figure on it, but yes you can move a bunch of supply into China. It is probably not enough to prevent Chungking plain from falling, other things being equal, but it certainly can sustain a significant force in the mountain redoubt adjacent Burma. That in turn ties up additional Imperial troops. The only ways to stop that are 1) capture the mountain redoubt or 2) capture the Indian airfields in range. The mass of transports is not available at campaign start, so undermining the mountain redoubt early is one approach. The other approach, capturing the Indian airfields, is certainly something Japan players do from time to time but does it fit with your strategy? How can you possibly resupply China, at the beginning of the game/war, with the pitiful number of transport planes available to the allies at that time??[&:] Yes, I agree.

Mike McCreery -> RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) (4/15/2018 12:14:26 AM)
In one of my previous games my opponent did not use air search very well. He had all eyes on Rangoon while I had Akl's unloading at the dot base north of there. Dropped in 60K+ which caused the Japanese advance to stall.

Miller -> RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) (4/15/2018 11:01:08 AM)
16th-23rd Feb 42 China remains the main area of focus. Nice discussion about the situation there guys, keep the input coming. I think we are both going "all in" at Changsha. A deliberate attack knocks the fort down to zero but he has slightly more AV there than me now: Ground combat at Changsha (82,52) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 80045 troops, 791 guns, 233 vehicles, Assault Value = 2669 Defending force 98027 troops, 523 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2509 Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0 Japanese adjusted assault: 2816 Allied adjusted defense: 3605 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 0) Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 11781 casualties reported Squads: 224 destroyed, 279 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 119 disabled Engineers: 6 destroyed, 105 disabled Guns lost 60 (1 destroyed, 59 disabled) Vehicles lost 12 (1 destroyed, 11 disabled) Allied ground losses: 2828 casualties reported Squads: 19 destroyed, 332 disabled Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 73 disabled Engineers: 3 destroyed, 27 disabled Guns lost 21 (2 destroyed, 19 disabled) I have another c.1000AV inbound including several tanks units I have bought out of Manchuria, I hope they finally tip the balance IF my bombers keep flying and keep the airfield shut. As Obvert suggested I have considered going round him but he has several blocking units in place to the SE that I don't have the strength to break through at the moment. Meanwhile up in the north near Sian I am just waiting. I may try going north and then round to the west but that will take a lot of time.... Elsewhere on Java Bandoeng is down to zero forts and will hopefully fall on the next attack in a few days time. Of the 4 divs there now I will ship 2 to Clark and use the other 2 for the Celebes/Borneo/Timor. My invsion of Rabual with some dregs will go in tomorrow, if his CVs turn up unexpected I can afford to lose the crappy transports I have used for it. After that my only target left will be Port Moresby and then the digging in fort building begins everywhere on the map. My first attack at Clark is horrific as I expected but it does the job of at least knocking the fort down: Ground combat at Clark Field (79,76) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 49394 troops, 490 guns, 191 vehicles, Assault Value = 1597 Defending force 62255 troops, 989 guns, 845 vehicles, Assault Value = 2232 Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 3 Japanese adjusted assault: 741 Allied adjusted defense: 6994 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 9 (fort level 3) Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 12608 casualties reported Squads: 36 destroyed, 708 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 109 disabled Engineers: 14 destroyed, 90 disabled Guns lost 78 (6 destroyed, 72 disabled) Vehicles lost 28 (3 destroyed, 25 disabled) Allied ground losses: 689 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 67 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled Will be May/June before this falls I would imagine.

Miller -> RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) (4/15/2018 12:48:28 PM)
24th-25th Feb 42 Bandoeng continues to hold[:@] Every day of delay here impacts on my timetable elsewhere: Ground combat at Bandoeng (50,100) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 55741 troops, 632 guns, 336 vehicles, Assault Value = 1787 Defending force 30599 troops, 350 guns, 204 vehicles, Assault Value = 662 Japanese adjusted assault: 2034 Allied adjusted defense: 1621 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 2075 casualties reported Squads: 5 destroyed, 200 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 28 disabled Guns lost 20 (2 destroyed, 18 disabled) Allied ground losses: 1430 casualties reported Squads: 13 destroyed, 86 disabled Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 70 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 23 disabled Guns lost 26 (1 destroyed, 25 disabled) Vehicles lost 45 (6 destroyed, 39 disabled) Probably another 4-5 days before my next attempt to take Changsha, if that fails I might have to call it a day and look for another way round on the road to Chungking...Elsewhere my troops get ashore unmolested at Rabaul but I may have to bring more as I get 1:2 odds on the first attack. A couple of quick questions: What base do I need to take to close the Burma Road? Lashio? What would be best to strat bomb in China to reduce supply levels? HI? LI?

durnedwolf -> RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) (4/15/2018 1:51:35 PM)
At Changsha he has the Heavy Urban terrain advantage too, which has a defensive value of x4... From page 195: "Fortifications enhance the defensive fire of ground units and also make defenders harder to hit; therefore, defenders are given some advantages in combat." Some of the formites seem to think that just means you have to have four times the AV value in your stack. I think you still want more AV (I always like to have the biggest hammer) but you can suppress some of that terrain advantage by using bombardment, recon, and air support. Or you can try to surround the hex and starve them out but that takes forever and a day. In looking at the combat it looks like you have no tanks in your stack? Umm - I wanted to add - if you attack the enemy airfields it causes damage and fixing the damage eats up supplies.

Miller -> RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) (4/15/2018 1:58:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: durnedwolf At Changsha he has the Heavy Urban terrain advantage too, which has a defensive value of x4... From page 195: "Fortifications enhance the defensive fire of ground units and also make defenders harder to hit; therefore, defenders are given some advantages in combat." Some of the formites seem to think that just means you have to have four times the AV value in your stack. I think you still want more AV (I always like to have the biggest hammer) but you can suppress some of that terrain advantage by using bombardment, recon, and air support. Or you can try to surround the hex and starve them out but that takes forever and a day. In looking at the combat it looks like you have no tanks in your stack? Umm - I wanted to add - if you attack the enemy airfields it causes damage and fixing the damage eats up supplies. IIRC Changsha is a light urban hex so its x2 bonus, I would have no chance if it was x4. I have tank units inbound and they should get there in 4-5 days time, fingers crossed they tip the balance....

Lowpe -> RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) (4/15/2018 2:18:05 PM)
Tanks do very well in urban terrain against the Chinese and the Dutch.

durnedwolf -> RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) (4/15/2018 2:26:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Miller quote: ORIGINAL: durnedwolf At Changsha he has the Heavy Urban terrain advantage too, which has a defensive value of x4... From page 195: "Fortifications enhance the defensive fire of ground units and also make defenders harder to hit; therefore, defenders are given some advantages in combat." Some of the formites seem to think that just means you have to have four times the AV value in your stack. I think you still want more AV (I always like to have the biggest hammer) but you can suppress some of that terrain advantage by using bombardment, recon, and air support. Or you can try to surround the hex and starve them out but that takes forever and a day. In looking at the combat it looks like you have no tanks in your stack? Umm - I wanted to add - if you attack the enemy airfields it causes damage and fixing the damage eats up supplies. IIRC Changsha is a light urban hex so its x2 bonus, I would have no chance if it was x4. I have tank units inbound and they should get there in 4-5 days time, fingers crossed they tip the balance.... Regarding Terrain at Changsha - yes it's 2x and not 4x. My eyes are a bit blurry in the morn until I have my coffee and my morning splash. [;)]

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